2009.09.06 07:00 - Uncluttering and then...

    Table of contents
    No headers

    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble. There were a number new people and they either left after the introduction or I never ascertained whether they were actually new of not.

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Paul, Rhymer, Adams
    Adams Rubble: Hello Paul, Rhymer and Eos :)
    Rhymer Karu: Greets.
    Paul Namiboo: Hi all, seems a bit slow this morning
    Adams Rubble: Paul and Rhymer, i have not met you. Have you been here before?
    Paul Namiboo: Yes, but this is an unusual time for me
    Adams Rubble: nice to meet you
    Rhymer Karu: No, first time.
    Adams Rubble: Welcome to Play as Being then Rhymer
    Paul Namiboo: Nice to meet you too -- I'm on the west coast getting up early to prepare for a trip to Europe
    Rhymer Karu: Thank you.
    Adams Rubble: I will give you a notecard that tells a bit about us
    Eos Amaterasu: Crashed
    Bertram Jacobus: hello all ... :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Bert
    Adams Rubble: The group meets here four times a day, partly to discuss our practiceof stopping every fifteen minutes for nine seconds
    Paul Namiboo: Hi Bertram
    Adams Rubble: to help see what we are and what we are doing
    Adams Rubble: Hello Bertram :)
    Bertram Jacobus: nice explanation adams :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: [and paul is still drinking, but now with the glass upside up] ... ;-)
    Paul Namiboo: It was a gift of virtual 1945 Chateau Mouton from Pila -- I drink all day and never get a hangover!
    Adams Rubble: good for you Paul :)
    Bertram Jacobus: lol i see ;-)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
    Paul Namiboo: Morning Doug:)
    Bertram Jacobus: and hello eliza :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Paul, Bertram, Eos, Adams :)
    Eos Amaterasu: HI Elia!
    Eos Amaterasu: Eliza
    Bertram Jacobus: doug ? :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: & Doug
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - paul greetings came before him here ... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi doug
    Adams Rubble: Hello Doug
    Bertram Jacobus: hi doug ;-)
    doug Sosa: hi:)
    I begin by saying I feel cluttered
    Adams Rubble: I have been feeling very cluttered this morning
    Adams Rubble: Work is cluttered
    Adams Rubble: SL is cluttered
    Adams Rubble: the house is cluttered
    Adams Rubble: and my dreams last night were cluttered
    Bertram Jacobus: how does it come ? why may that be ? ...
    Adams Rubble: Some of it is external droiving me
    Adams Rubble: maybe the external stuff is making realize I've cluttred up the rest
    doug Sosa: clutter comes from clot as in blood or cheese making
    Eliza Madrigal: there are ideas as to why people clutter their lives... whether to have a sense of solidity or safety...
    Paul Namiboo: I didn't know that -- I hope my blood is in better shape than my office
    Adams Rubble: do you think I may be eaasting too much cheese Doug?
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Adams Rubble: Hello Qt :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello qt ... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: HiQt
    doug Sosa: no just stuff is conjealing around you. :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Paul Namiboo: Hi arrivals!
    doug Sosa: :)
    Adams Rubble: Is it just a question of stuff sticking?
    Adams Rubble: We seem to collect responsibiloities
    Eos Amaterasu: No poofing?
    Eos Amaterasu: Not poofiing
    doug Sosa: my guress is clutter is things which have lost ther intent.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes that's an interesting idea
    Adams Rubble: hmm. nice point Doug :)
    Eliza Madrigal: stuff kept for 'someday' 'just in case'
    Adams Rubble: so we feel it when we are going through changes maybe
    Paul Namiboo: Then why can't we unclutter easier?
    Eos Amaterasu: Like a Go stone that has lost its "aji"
    Eos Amaterasu: "life"
    doug Sosa: its like the stuff a high tide leaves behind. it becomes immobile and requires real effort to get rid of.
    doug Sosa: of eos, perfect.
    doug Sosa: oh eos..
    Adams Rubble: Sorry, what is a go stone and what is aji?
    Adams Rubble: and yes, Eliza
    Eos Amaterasu: In the game of Go you put stones on intersections of a 19x19 board
    Eos Amaterasu: idea is to get territory
    Eos Amaterasu: you can put stones in seemingly random places, they are said to have "aji"
    Eos Amaterasu: because in a later situation they could be crucial
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, neat. 'seemingly random'... potential
    Eos Amaterasu: if stuff loses sense of life it becomes clutter
    Adams Rubble: Thank you Eos, yes this is becoming clearer
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe it needs to be eaten by more life, like shorelines stuff left by tides
    doug Sosa: very intersting to think of things as moves in go. We probably make the beginners mistake of keeping things too close to have real life.
    Adams Rubble: I winder if the issue is not so much "how" to remove ckutter then as our inability to lwt it go
    Adams Rubble: Hello Cleo
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cleo
    Bertram Jacobus: hi cleo ... :-)
    Adams Rubble: Welcome to Olay as Being Celo. Is this your first time?
    Adams Rubble: Play
    Paul Namiboo: One of the terrible things is an inability to let go of things that you imagine one day will be very important again in your life
    Adams Rubble: I will give you a notecard then about us
    Eos Amaterasu has a basement full of that kind of stuff :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... things that are steps removed from application and yet you must maintain them...put energy into them
    Paul Namiboo: Hi Cleo, sorry I was distracted....
    Eos Amaterasu: Maybe also we pay all the attention to the thing, and not to the whole process of how it arrives, and how it goes off
    Eos Amaterasu: we had a dinner party last night
    Eos Amaterasu: the prep was as much part of the party as the party proper
    Paul Namiboo: When we moved into an aaprtment we had to give away ~9000 books -- I thought it was a disaster, but it turns out about 8956 of them were actually clutter
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: ditto cleanup (to lesser extent :-)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Paul Namiboo: depends on who you are cleaning up with
    Eos Amaterasu: even alone can be okay
    Eliza Madrigal: yes tht's an interesting idea Eos...that we section off our lives arbitraily sometimes
    Eliza Madrigal: *arbitrarily
    Paul Namiboo: it can be a great time to think, just like swimming
    Eos Amaterasu: appreciating arising, presence, exiting of appearance :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Agreed, Paul :)
    Adams Rubble: It takes a big effort to get rid of clutter like 8956 books
    Eliza Madrigal: It also takes ruthlessness
    Eliza Madrigal: determination
    Adams Rubble: sometimes it is hard just to think about the effort
    Eliza Madrigal: a 'deciding force'
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: clutter also distracts.... jump from one thing to another to another, can't see the space
    Adams Rubble: yes Eos, maybe that is what i am feeling this morning
    Eliza Madrigal: a desire to be free of it... so a taste of something else maybe... like... "If I didn't have this big of a house to tend, I could travel more"
    Eos Amaterasu: (such as to Malta :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    doug Sosa: maybe we keep clutter because it is a kind of memorybank.
    Adams Rubble: yes, we do that
    Paul Namiboo: the web certainly has replaced many of my books, but there's so much disinformation on it I fear for young people who don't have the filters
    Bertram Jacobus: i think we are overfflooded by impressions nowadays and it is here and there difficult to let all these nice things go ...
    Eliza Madrigal: I listened to an Eckhart Tolle clip the other day... "When you are looking at the past, you are looking at it now... there's no where else you can really go" hehe
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Paul Namiboo: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: media education would be very important paul ...
    doug Sosa: as we knowin PaB the time distinctions are a bit arbitray.
    doug Sosa: arbitrary
    Paul Namiboo: Got to go and pack -- hope I'll manage to join from the road -- bye and thanks!
    Bertram Jacobus: [bye paul]
    doug Sosa: bye
    doug Sosa: me too, not to pack, but to get rid of some clutter. :)
    Bertram Jacobus: [bye doug]
    Eliza Madrigal: (Bye Paul and doug)
    Adams Rubble: bye Paul and Doug
    Eliza Madrigal: I don't keep a lot for myself, but for my kids... oh my... I keep so much for them
    Eliza Madrigal: I think I figure that just because it may be 'my thing' not to hold on to much, I should let them decide
    Adams Rubble: yes, that is one reason we collect and keep stuff
    Adams Rubble: In my experience, they are not so great at getting around to deciding :)
    Eliza Madrigal: and some people are amazing with what they manage to make of their memory items...quilts, etc
    Bertram Jacobus: nice idae eliza but nevertheless we are in the role to decide some things for our kids too ...
    Adams Rubble: should sat not so swift in deciding
    Adams Rubble: say
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes...early on I was in a bit of trouble... would donate things a lot
    Eliza Madrigal: and they would see a video or picture and say "HEeyyyy where did that go?"
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: They became a little paranoid... hiding things from me
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahah
    Adams Rubble: Santa took it while here last Christmas
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: But at some point I had to say to them that if they wanted to keep things, they had to maintain them... not me :)
    Bertram Jacobus: santa gives, santa takes , just like being ... (?) :-)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: that's maybe part of it - we have too many somewhat indestructible things, that don't get eaten or pulled apart by other beings
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I think so... interesting point
    Adams Rubble: we need more powerful dust mites :)
    Eliza Madrigal: we have so much packaging
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe we should have giant pet amoebas :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahah
    Qt Core: rl calls away... as usual ;-( bye
    Adams Rubble: bye Qt
    Bertram Jacobus: i´ll leave - came back from a little journey. have still to put things in my fridge and so on ... have a good time and ty all
    Adams Rubble: bye Bertram
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bert, Qt
    Eos Amaterasu: bye bert & qt
    Eliza Madrigal: It has to be about our life energy.... the "aji"...
    Eliza Madrigal: circulation
    Adams Rubble: It is wonderful how we can come to PaB with something on our minds and get such help from our firends :)
    Eos Amaterasu: our friends have "aji"
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes indeed :)
    Eliza Madrigal: And interesting that at times we can pull a topic out of a hat, but it speaks to us on different applicable levels
    Adams Rubble: Hello Neela :)
    Eliza Madrigal: like for me, today 'clutter' has to do with the kitchen... very inefficient.. why it takes so much time to put things away, etc.
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi eevryone
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Neela
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Neela :)
    Neela Blaisdale: Hello everybody
    Eliza Madrigal: Long time no see
    Adams Rubble: Maybe is the amount of use it is getting Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: yes that is certainly part of it
    Neela Blaisdale: Just wanted to stop by for a few minutes, can't stay long but missed everyone!
    Adams Rubble: Very good to see you Neela :)
    Eliza Madrigal: How've you been Neela?
    Neela Blaisdale: Flying ( so to speak ) around....
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Neela Blaisdale: visitng schols with one child and bringing the other one back...
    At this point Archmage, Fael, Abbis and Ludwig arrive one after another and sit on the opposite side facing us
    Adams Rubble: Hello Archmage
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Archmage
    Neela Blaisdale: and crying along the way about their going:)
    Adams Rubble: Nice to meet you Archmage, is this your first time here?
    Neela Blaisdale: Hello Archmage
    Adams Rubble: oh yes, Neela, that is part of it
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arch
    Adams Rubble: Hello fael :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh goodness Neela..yes
    Archmage Atlantis: it is always my first time here
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fael :)
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Fael:)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha Arch
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Eos, Adams, Neela, Eliza :)
    Archmage comments about land reform
    Archmage Atlantis: So Pema has cut the budget.....guardians have no free space... correct?
    Eos Amaterasu: thnx, Fael :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: A lot of land is being let go - Pema was paying for it out of pocket
    Adams Rubble: Pema has reduced his contribution to sustaining our activities
    Eos Amaterasu: On other hand idea of village to live, play in seems great
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, it has to do with grants, and how generous that he'd kept it going all this time
    Eliza Madrigal: yes Eos, that does seem great too :)
    Fael Illyar: the lands PaB has had have long been much more than necessary :)
    Archmage Atlantis: It, my friends, has to do with your commitment to this concept
    Neela Blaisdale: I believe there will still be land in Bieup and Baikun for guardian plots but I gathered from the emails, we're talking about purchasing some of the existing plots in Mungwha
    Fael Illyar: I'm surprised we've had them for this lon
    Fael Illyar: *long
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: I find it difficult to call PaB a concept
    Neela Blaisdale: yes Pema has put an unbelieveable amount of resources into our community
    Fael Illyar: Mugunhwa and Buyeo is very valuable land. Being oceanfront
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess it applies... the word 'concept' but Hmmm
    Eos Amaterasu: PaB is a calling, perhaps
    Eliza Madrigal: vision? Certainly for me it people now
    Neela Blaisdale: community?
    Eliza Madrigal: It is
    Eliza Madrigal: yes...community
    Neela Blaisdale: way og being?
    Eliza Madrigal: calling fits too...resonates
    Neela Blaisdale: *f
    Neela Blaisdale: hehe
    Adams Rubble: The land has sustained our activities. While it is not fair to Pema to support all that, the land has served us well and we will be said to see it go
    Adams Rubble: sad not aid
    Adams Rubble: said
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: Village suggests, like RL retreat, a place where people can be with sense of PaB presence, in more ordinary way
    Adams Rubble: It may have been underutilized but it was used
    Eos Amaterasu: (with a little help from smart furniture, perhaps :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: The herd shall be thinned
    Eliza Madrigal: hah Eos
    Fael Illyar: Personally, I like the idea of a village for guardians more than huts scattered all over
    Eos Amaterasu: Fael, we could have a PaB cafe table
    Eos Amaterasu: that has various options similar to pavilion
    Eliza Madrigal: I like both... but yes there's something nice about everyone waking up in pajamas and wandering out to the fire
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Adams Rubble: It is an opportunity for each of us to examine our own activities maybe
    Eos Amaterasu needs to get pajamas
    Neela Blaisdale: yes having a village of all of us in one place may make sense....
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha...yes please
    Eliza Madrigal: seems appropriate ;-)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Abbis :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Abbis :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Abbis
    Abbis Salamander: hi Fael, Arch and Fael
    Neela Blaisdale: but its amazing how attached we are to our exisitng "homes":)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Abbis
    Abbis Salamander: hi Adams
    Neela Blaisdale: Hello Abbis
    Eliza Madrigal: Adams, I think that's a great point... an opportunity to examine
    Abbis Salamander: hello to all the other as well
    Fael Illyar: Hi Lud :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Ludwig :0
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Neela Blaisdale: Hi Ludwig
    ludwig Melodie: namaste all
    Eliza Madrigal: Settings and 'stuff' can be useful tools... but I guess it is important to know it isn't the 'point' mainly?
    Adams Rubble: Ludwig and Abbis have you been ehere before?
    Neela Blaisdale: hmm.. yes I suppose we can get too attached... to our physical homes...
    Eliza Madrigal: When a hurricans approaches, or a fire... it becomes about what is essential...yes indeed Neela
    Neela Blaisdale: physical as in SL...
    Neela Blaisdale: I suppose in RL too:)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes..even to our 'avs'... though funny to call them physical too
    Neela Blaisdale: yes:)
    Archmage Atlantis: When the mustard seed is sown, the plant grows, then is sown again
    Abbis Salamander: no this is first time, just getting a updating from a friend, smiles
    Adams Rubble: Nice to meet you Ludwig, we record our conversations here, do you have any objections
    Adams Rubble: whoops Abbis :)
    ludwig Melodie: non
    Adams Rubble: I will give each of you a notecard
    Archmage Atlantis: Adams. Abbis was hee
    Adams Rubble: welcome to you both Ludwig and Abbis
    Adams Rubble: ohhh
    Adams Rubble: OK
    Archmage Atlantis: Why address Ludwit
    Archmage Atlantis: Ludwig
    Adams Rubble: Anyway I have to go
    Adams Rubble: Have a good day or evening everyone
    I left here at the end of the hour and so will not comment on the rest except to say really!!?!
    ludwig Melodie: merci adams
    Abbis Salamander: than you Adam
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Adams :) yes I'll be going too...have such a cold today
    Archmage Atlantis: Adams, chicken
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye adams
    Abbis Salamander: by Elize
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, Eos
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now everyone. :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hugs :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Eliza
    Fael Illyar: See you later Eliza :)
    ludwig Melodie: bye eliza
    Eos Amaterasu: Must also go to RL mtg
    Archmage Atlantis: I see those who find discomfort to leave
    Archmage Atlantis: avoiding suffering
    Eos Amaterasu: ?
    Eos Amaterasu: l8tr
    Eos Amaterasu: bye all
    Neela Blaisdale: Goodbye all...
    ludwig Melodie: bye eos
    Fael Illyar: See you later Neela :)
    Abbis Salamander: bye eos
    Abbis Salamander: bye Neela
    ludwig Melodie: bye neela
    Abbis Salamander: thank you for invitation Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: It was more self serving than I admitted to myself, Abbis
    Abbis Salamander: smiles, ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Thank you and Ludwig for accepting
    ludwig Melodie: c' est toujours un plaisir arch
    Abbis Salamander: at least we kind of caused a change reaction... all left
    Abbis Salamander: lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Those who wish all to be free and easy were offended
    Archmage Atlantis: But some will see, in time
    Abbis Salamander: to be honest... to own is to loose freedom
    Fael Illyar: Yes, quite so.
    Archmage Atlantis: I apologize, for wha I do nt kow
    Abbis Salamander: to have and to let go is a agony
    Archmage Atlantis: To ask to include, and be denyed, is death
    Fael Illyar: yes... how to have without having...
    Fael Illyar: not a true paradox :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Let the record show that those who choose personal freeedom, without social responsibility, have destroyed this place
    Fael Illyar: Do you see PaB breaking down for this? Truly?
    Abbis Salamander: the we have inside us, like knowledge, gifts love
    Abbis Salamander: are real treasures
    Archmage Atlantis: The concept, often called a "mime", will love
    Abbis Salamander: all other can be taken away or vanished
    Abbis Salamander: why is it so difficult to understand that rights always comes with responsibilities?
    Archmage Atlantis: I go to my home you are all welcome
    Fael Illyar: it is because responsibility is so much misunderstood
    Fael Illyar: the meaning
    Abbis Salamander: thank you
    Fael Illyar: will you join me and Arch at his place?
    Abbis Salamander: is he sending a tp?
    Fael Illyar: if he doesn't I will :)
    ludwig Melodie: tp me svp
    Abbis Salamander: yes that would be nice
    Fael Illyar: allright, a moment

    Tag page (Edit tags)
    • No tags
    Viewing 2 of 2 comments: view all
    Originally written on 19:46, 06 Sep 2009
    ::rolls eyes::
    Posted 10:59, 9 Apr 2010
    Originally written on 22:07, 06 Sep 2009
    "Let the record show that those who choose personal freeedom, without social responsibility, have destroyed this place"

    Really? I think the record shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.
    Posted 10:59, 9 Apr 2010
    Viewing 2 of 2 comments: view all
    You must login to post a comment.
    Powered by MindTouch Core