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    The Guardian for this meeting was Maxine Walden. The comments are by Maxine Walden.


    Maxine Walden: hi, wol
    Wol Euler: hello maxine
    Maxine Walden: hi, Pila and eliza
    Wol Euler: hello pila, eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol, Max, Pila
    Pila Mulligan: hi Eliza, Maxine and Wol
    Maxine Walden: nice to see everyone
    Pila Mulligan: indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, you too
    Maxine Walden: Just to mention that we were thinking of a theme session about the recent retreat, and I am afraid I have to leaave at 1:30 SL, another long-planned event
    Maxine Walden: just a heads up
    Wol Euler nods
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pila Mulligan: and, Maxine, the idea also involved discussing some of the retreat's dream themes, a sI recall
    Pila Mulligan: as I recall*
    Maxine Walden: ah, right, Pila
    Pila Mulligan: from the Tuesday session last week :)
    Maxine Walden: yes,so many things, sometimes little slippings
    Eliza Madrigal: yes that to be is very interesting... whether a group support can create a better dream environment...etc
    Eliza Madrigal: *me not be
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (thinks her typing shows that she has a cold-hahah)
    Pila Mulligan: 'to me or not to me'
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Maxine Walden: Yes, let's see, shall I caste back to the dream themes of the retreat as best I can recall?
    Pila Mulligan: please
    Eliza Madrigal: that would be wonderful
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Maxine Walden: think that it was I who brought up on the day of silence, the discussion of the silence...
    Maxine Walden: that I had had a dream the night before which seemed to interdigitate with much of my daytime experience during the silence
    Pila Mulligan likes ' interdigitate '
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: hello bertram
    Bertram Jacobus: hello everybody ...
    Maxine Walden: as if it felt to me that the dreams sort of were companions, in discourse with the experiences of that silent time, even tho dreams were beforehand
    Maxine Walden: hi, Bertram
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bertram :)
    Pila Mulligan: hi Bert
    Maxine Walden: Bert, I am recalling some of the dream experience of the retreat...
    Bertram Jacobus: hy eos :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)
    Maxine Walden: hi, Eos
    Pila Mulligan: hi Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: hi all, just here for a brief connection
    Wol Euler: hello eos?
    Wol Euler: (not a question...)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes Maxine, doug used similar language regarding dreams... "a cloud of companions"
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Wol :-)
    Maxine Walden: Eos, wasjust sharing some of my memory of the group's discussion at the retreat about dreaming
    Eliza Madrigal: I had the imagery of you all... and then your dream bodies too...walking around
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pila Mulligan: dream-waking proximity, even if lacking rational sequence
    Maxine Walden: Maybe in your short time here, Eos, of the dreamscape or explorations of the group...
    Maxine Walden: your impressions, Eos?
    Maxine Walden: seemed several of us seemed to dip into dreams after our first consideration during discussion of the silent time
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, I was quite struck by how there are ways of knowing :-) which i had not really dreamt of :-)
    Maxine Walden: !!
    Eos Amaterasu: Working through sleeping dreaming, waking dreaming, drearming during waking, using dream imagery at will!
    Maxine Walden: severak in the group seemed to experience dreams, just being aware that we were talking about them, as if attention was all tht was needed, is that what you recall, Eos?
    Maxine Walden: yes!!
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, and please... say more about "using dream imagery at will!" ?
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, it seems to be one of those talents that is available if you only believe you can do it
    Wol Euler: :)
    Maxine Walden: yes, that you can dip into a dream...that experience of
    Pila Mulligan: a tinkerbell phenomenon
    Eos Amaterasu: Some people work with bringing dream imagery as a persisting element into rl
    Maxine Walden: I need to have a dream about this...and then doing so
    Eliza Madrigal: In what way? Do you mean during sleep or waking... and how the overlap? Corvi talked about that also..dreaming while awake
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes Maxine
    Eos Amaterasu: some with experiencing the silent period, for example, through a kind of dream or imagistic state
    Maxine Walden: that the conscious self can summon a dream or call upon the dreaming self when it feels the need to, for clarification or depth communication
    Maxine Walden: perhaps an experience we all have had?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I think so... maybe what I find so interesting about dreaming in the context of retreat and silence, is the idea that the dreaming selves are free-er? or allowed more range? or... Hm... it is the group element
    Eliza Madrigal: it doesn't seem like something that was planned
    Maxine Walden: very interesting thought, eliza,
    Eliza Madrigal: or intended necessarily... a surprise?
    Maxine Walden: perhaps so, suprise of a sort
    Maxine Walden: surprise
    Maxine Walden: and that each/all in the group could be open to these possibilities ...not threatened
    Maxine Walden: that was impressive, in that so many groups I know of there is slight competition but competition nonetheless
    Maxine Walden: did not feel that in the retreat, did you, Eos?
    Pila Mulligan: maybe it is the intentionally diminished presence of heirarchy
    Wol Euler nods
    Maxine Walden: very good point1
    Maxine Walden: point!
    Pila Mulligan: like Quakers :)
    Eos Amaterasu: No, there were a dozen people, age range from early 20's (?) to 70, at least 4 or 5 people with strong buddhist backgrounds, maybe 4 hwo worked with imagery, dream,
    Maxine Walden: in fact the dropping of hierarchy seemed very relevant
    Maxine Walden: and amidst the openness, the safety...maybe the dreaming self could emerge more energetically
    Eos Amaterasu: It was peep-to-peer, but nevertheless with a clear navigator, Pema
    Maxine Walden: Eos, a typo? with some wisdom perhaps...
    Eos Amaterasu: peer -to-peop :-)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: When we come to PaB, we bring layers of things we talk about... and I think of course much of us have things going on that we don't... but our dreaming/hidden 'selves' are still benefitted from the support
    Maxine Walden: we were a curious lot!
    Eliza Madrigal: so then physically I can imagine that multiplied a bit...concentrated
    Eos Amaterasu: This may relate to the "non-structured" time
    Eos Amaterasu: which in a way was big 9-secs, 90-secs time
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    Eos Amaterasu: and to sleeping time
    Eos Amaterasu: where in some way we're also still experiencing being
    Pila Mulligan: continuity
    Eos Amaterasu: and being able to imagistically articulate it
    Maxine Walden: nicely put!
    Eliza Madrigal: yes wonderful... not only to have the energy but then to discus
    Eliza Madrigal: *discuss
    Eos Amaterasu: but the extent to which this is possible was a bit of a revelation
    Maxine Walden: my experience too, eos
    Pila Mulligan: so there were 'aha' moments?
    Eos Amaterasu: Some growing surprises :-)
    Maxine Walden: Eos, what Aha moments do you recall; I am thinking...
    Maxine Walden: for me, a few times, the falling away of unseen tension to reveal a quietness a relaxed position and such a feeling of wellbeing...
    Pila Mulligan: that is kind of the yin equivalent of an aha moment -- a continuing expereince instead of a sudden one
    Eliza Madrigal: healing you didn't realize you needed, Maxine ?
    Maxine Walden: and these times were unanticipated...seemed to be beyond conscious control
    Maxine Walden: yes, Eliza
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, sometimes there was a tangible feeling of the "space in the middle" of the group of us practicing together
    Eos Amaterasu: felt precious, and tender, and held by us in individual ways, as well as hints of held by being
    Maxine Walden: hmmm, yes...
    Eliza Madrigal: beautiful description
    Eos Amaterasu: I think the village can be like that :-)
    Eos Amaterasu has high expectations :-)
    Maxine Walden: hmm, nice thought.
    Maxine Walden: several thoughts about the village seem to be in the air...
    Eliza Madrigal: I love that idea Eos... and also that since you all have come back there is a kind of shameless sweetness...
    Pila Mulligan: we tried the village idea with Nymf's forum a year or so ago -- it worked nicely when people were there
    Pila Mulligan: the community existed, but sporadically
    Wol Euler smiles at "shameless sweetness"
    Eos Amaterasu has to leave, :-( , bye
    Bertram Jacobus: bye eos ...
    Maxine Walden: (I should go, dear friends. If there is interest we can consider further discussion of the retreat next time, but of course the discussion may have evolved by then...such as is occurring right now)bye eos
    Pila Mulligan: bye Eos
    Pila Mulligan: bye Maxine, thanks
    Wol Euler: bye maxine, take care.
    Pila Mulligan: (to be continued)
    Bertram Jacobus: bye maxine ...
    Eliza Madrigal: (Bye Eos and Maxine)
    Maxine Walden: thanks, all, sorry to disturb the 90 sec
    Pila Mulligan: that was fun
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: i enjoy when we talk about dreams because it seems to be a kind of portal into talking in that fuzzy space
    Pila Mulligan: yep
    Bertram Jacobus: i didn´t understand even the half, as usual ... :o)
    Pila Mulligan: Maxine has mentioned before the view of dreaming and waking as parallel parts of experience
    Pila Mulligan: in that sense, dream images could be expected to relate to waking images
    Eliza Madrigal: hah Bert.... During the retreat they seem to have experienced together what we all are probably used to experiencing on our own
    Eliza Madrigal: PaB helps nurture that all the time, but in a retreat they got to share it more as they were together those days with other things distanced
    Bertram Jacobus: i fear such dreams experiments ... becuase i fear that things get confused ...
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    Bertram Jacobus: i like to let my dreams simply natural
    Eliza Madrigal: it wasn't an experiment Bert... just something that emerged
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. okay
    Eliza Madrigal: and they noticed, compared notes
    Eliza Madrigal: and we've been trying to get notes too ...hhah
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Pila Mulligan: I agree Bert, wu wei dreaming is better
    Pila Mulligan: rather than trying to influence dreams
    Bertram Jacobus: ty pila. really kind. (also wol and eliza) ! :-)
    Pila Mulligan: but learnng that you can influence dreams seem to appeal to people too
    Eliza Madrigal: yes..and also that you can set a stage to hear better....
    Eliza Madrigal: because dreaming has a purpose... sleep is a good 'incubation' period
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    Pila Mulligan: hi Arabella
    Bertram Jacobus: hi ara ... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ara
    arabella Ella: Hiya Wol, Pila, Bert, Eliza!
    Pila Mulligan: is Malta ready for the PaB event?
    Eliza Madrigal: My life, and especially this year since PaB, has been really changed thanks to dreams
    arabella Ella: ready set gooooo
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles to Ara :
    Wol Euler: hooray for Malta!
    Wol Euler: eliza, tell us more?
    arabella Ella: actually i am working on it but it is not easy
    Pila Mulligan: I bet
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, Wol...
    Eliza Madrigal: PaB has changed my sense of things in ways that I cou;dn't really describe rationally...
    Eliza Madrigal: but dreams often create pictures
    Wol Euler smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: and then I'm able to learn from those too...
    Eliza Madrigal: "Oh, so that's what it is" then share that too....
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler nods
    Eliza Madrigal: and I feel like even though we don't have th undercurrents of body language here...
    Eliza Madrigal: that is a kind of silence like they dscribed at the retreat...
    Eliza Madrigal: (wrong order of lines)
    Pila Mulligan: comprehension is a significant part of hearing and seeing
    Eliza Madrigal: and in that silence I really do think another kind of communication happens
    Eliza Madrigal: where we are there for each other, even about things we don't talk about
    Wol Euler nods
    Eliza Madrigal: yes Pila
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess that's a kind of faith I have in our experience here.. would others say the same?
    Pila Mulligan: some
    Wol Euler: often, yes.
    Wol Euler: at our best, we are that.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    arabella Ella: oh definitely :)
    Pila Mulligan: with interludes :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Wol Euler: adn with interruptions.
    arabella Ella: but i guess Eliza may also imply ...
    arabella Ella: that our sort of 'anonymity' here ...
    arabella Ella: may make us all more honest in our communication with each other?
    Pila Mulligan: Eliza's faith in how things work here overall seems well-founded
    Eliza Madrigal: Ara yes, I think that matters too... be known/be not known.... it is potential
    Pila Mulligan: anonymity is part, Arabella, but so are sincereity and good manners
    arabella Ella nods
    Pila Mulligan: hi Yak
    Eliza Madrigal: true Pila
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yakuzza
    Bertram Jacobus: heyy yaku ! ... :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    arabella Ella: hiya Yaku
    Wol Euler: hello yakuzza
    Eliza Madrigal: I feel a little defensive of PaB today, let myself get irritated reading something :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Wol Euler: anything in particular?
    Eliza Madrigal: I prob shouldn't say... might irritate others and then it is a chain... and prob. just my deal which I need to "let goooo"
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Wol Euler: :)
    Pila Mulligan: and it probably is ont a reflection on the parts we have been discussing
    Bertram Jacobus: i would like to read it :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Besides, I think it wasn't about pab.. more about the person's own worldview perhaps
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: brb, something in my eye
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yes true Pila
    arabella Ella: brb
    Eliza Madrigal has to get cold medicine... ugh... me too
    Pila Mulligan recommends Gan Mao Ling (Chinese herbal pill) for those with colds :)
    Wol Euler swears by a tiny shot of fine whiskey in lemsip :)
    Pila Mulligan: http://www.amazon.com/Solstice-Ganma...2270386&sr=8-2
    Pila Mulligan: wb Wol
    Wol Euler: ty
    Pila Mulligan: both eyes are happy I hope :)
    Wol Euler: yes, thanks.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe thx pila :)
    Pila Mulligan: funny how advanced science is yet the cold eludes a cure
    Pila Mulligan: yw Yak :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Pila... am having emergen-C now...
    Pila Mulligan: every mother has a remedy, it seems
    arabella Ella: back
    Eliza Madrigal: raspberry in orange juice
    Pila Mulligan: wb Ara
    Eliza Madrigal: like a coctail
    Wol Euler does not recommend the whiskey cure for children.
    arabella Ella: i love ur cure Wol :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we say something here like an untreated cold takes 14 days, and treated one 2 weeks :)
    Wol Euler: exactly.
    Wol Euler: the whiskey cure doesn#t solve the problem, but it makes you happier.
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    arabella Ella: may help to relieve anxiety caused by the symptoms too
    arabella Ella: and to give a good night's rest
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Pila Mulligan thanks everyone for the chat and slips away ... bye for now
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pila
    Wol Euler: bye pila, take care
    Bertram Jacobus: bye pila ...
    arabella Ella: bye Pila
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pila
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I'll need to go also
    Pila Mulligan: aloha
    Bertram Jacobus: bye eliza ...
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, be calm, dream well
    arabella Ella: bye Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: thank you :)))
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now
    arabella Ella: must go too
    Yakuzza Lethecus: where is that group eliza ?
    arabella Ella: bye all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the wok group, and is it closed ?
    Wol Euler: bye ara
    Bertram Jacobus: bye ara ...
    arabella Ella: just gave you LM Yak
    Bertram Jacobus: hello agatha ... :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx ara i will join you guys there i am curious :)
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