2009.09.07 07:00 - Chuang Tzue, frogs and synaesthesia

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    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Paul :)

    Paul Namiboo: Slow morning

    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, some are. This is a holiday weekend also :)

    Paul Namiboo: I'm leaving for an overseas flight, which my back hates, so I thought I'd spend a little time here and relax

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, nice :)

    Eliza Madrigal: What do you do while on flights, to relax yourself... aid your back?

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Paul, Eliza

    Paul Namiboo: Mostly try to sleep --- or treat my self to a page-turning novel. You?

    Paul Namiboo: Hi :)

    Eliza Madrigal: Audiobooks mostly :)

    Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes sleep, but I'm rarely on a flight over a few hrs

    Paul Namiboo: I just was given a Kindle -- taking it this time

    Eliza Madrigal: Ahh, do you like that?

    Eliza Madrigal: I've wondered how it feels for readers to adjust... much like being online?


    Paul Namiboo: it's got some real advanatages -- weighs a lot less than 10 (or500) books

    Eliza Madrigal grins. Yes, and you can buy things 'instantly'

    Eliza Madrigal: We're so spoiled :)

    Paul Namiboo: aND IF YOU LOSE THE kindle you can download your whole library again for free

    Eliza Madrigal: that's fantastic

    Eliza Madrigal: The ipod is coming along in that way...

    Paul Namiboo: Worse feature is if you have muddy photos or fine maps, the resolution is lousy

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah

    Eliza Madrigal: Eos, how are you today?

    Eos Amaterasu: Fine, running some errands, thought I'd drop by

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: I was reading Gaya and Pema's log from this morning... about quantum mechanics and

    Eliza Madrigal: potentialities

    Eos Amaterasu: I will shortly post the log of Saturday 11 am

    Paul Namiboo: How do we find the logs?

    Eos Amaterasu: http://playasbeing.wik.is/ , click Logs

    Eliza Madrigal: And my way of thinking about Heisnberg Uncertainty Principle is to consider this cartoon:

    Eliza Madrigal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhq0N4ORYjM

    Eliza Madrigal: It is the frog cartoon where he performs only for the man, and the man keeps trying to pin him down to perform for others

    Eliza Madrigal: Eventually he goes insane because he is trying to 'make' things happen

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Eos Amaterasu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhq0N4ORYjM

    Eos Amaterasu: Monday morning cartoons :-)

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, did the link not work before? Thanks

    Paul Namiboo: I'm still too much of a newbie -- can't find logs button -- maybe trying to find it is chasing it away a la Heisenberg

    Eliza Madrigal: haha Paul

    Eliza Madrigal: Well I think that the qm discussion has a lot to do with the wu-wei discussion too

    Eos Amaterasu: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2009/09 gives you sept logs

    Eliza Madrigal: blindsight and potentialities and all that :)

    Eliza Madrigal: Just enjoying things rather than trying to pin them down, etc.. appreciating

    Eos Amaterasu: Being as plenum

    Eos Amaterasu: "treasury" of the basic space of phenomena (Longchenpa)

    Eliza Madrigal: Ahh, nice...the basic space

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi yakuzza :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eli,paul and eos

    Eos Amaterasu: "thesaurus" of the perfections of existence ("esse") (Aquinas)

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Yak!

    Eos Amaterasu: Being as rich inkwell of textures of appearances

    Eliza Madrigal: I feel like this man in the cartoon sometimes... like aware of a whole world that sometimes when I try to show, flops :)

    Paul Namiboo: Hi Yak -- I've been away chasing logs

    Eliza Madrigal: That's why I love being here :)

    Eliza Madrigal: the gap is less..or fuzzier

    Eliza Madrigal: like the gap between dreams and reality, like we were talking about Sunday

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey arch

    Eliza Madrigal: or dream reality and non-dream reality

    Eos Amaterasu: attend to the medium as well as the message

    Eliza Madrigal: Go on, Eos?

    Eos Amaterasu: medium painting us

    Eliza Madrigal: MM

    Archmage Atlantis: Eos, Eliza, Paul...morning all

    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Archmage

    Eos Amaterasu: out of the swirl of arisings, co-arisings with us

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Archie!

    Eliza Madrigal: Is that a 'letting' Eos?


    Eos Amaterasu: ? letting Eliza?

    Paul Namiboo: The airlane calls -- got to go. Will try next from Sweden. It's been fun and informative, as always. And Pila's gift to me of '45 Mouton just keeps giving (no hangovers). Bye and thanks!

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Paul :) Happy flight

    Eos Amaterasu: :-)

    Archmage Atlantis: Adios

    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye paul

    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, Hm...Is that an 'act' of trusting.. that attendance

    Eliza Madrigal: which then lets...allows

    Eliza Madrigal: Wow Fael, spectacular

    Eos Amaterasu: and of letting go, letting be, into the pool of appearance which also includes you appearing

    Fael Illyar: Hi Eliza, Eos, Yakuzza, Arch :)

    Archmage Atlantis: Hey Fael

    Fael Illyar: did SL eat my greetings?

    Eos Amaterasu: Speaking of appearances, Fael!

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fael :D

    Eliza Madrigal: I see it now.... did you see mine? Spectacular!

    Archmage Atlantis: I think Eliza is still stunned

    Fael Illyar: well, here goes again: Hi Eliza, Eos, Yakuzza, Arch :)

    Eos Amaterasu loves Fael's subtle wings

    Eliza Madrigal: yes...dazzled

    Fael Illyar smiles.

    Eos Amaterasu: I think Chuang Tzue dreamed of you, Fael :-)

    Fael Illyar: Yes I saw them :)

    Eliza Madrigal smiles

    Fael Illyar: Chuang Tzue?

    Archmage Atlantis: Are those for sale yet Fael?

    Fael Illyar: these are not my making :)

    Fael Illyar: but yes, they are for sale at Inga Wind

    Eliza Madrigal: a butterfly dreaming of a man or a man dreaming of a butterfly...

    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, I was trying mightily, but I couldn't get the gist of the conversation before

    Eliza Madrigal: You've been playing in potentialities quite a bit, Fael...

    Eliza Madrigal: creating :)

    Fael Illyar: (not my creation these wings, in case it's still unclear to someone)

    Eliza Madrigal: Arch is can be difficult to catch up... but the conversation turns and includes as it goes :)

    Eliza Madrigal: No, I understood..but you've been creating in other ways

    Fael Illyar smiles 'Yes.'

    Eliza Madrigal: brb

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, I need to go.... have grabbed the log for Kallie

    Fael Illyar: Sure, see you later Eliza :)

    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Eliza!

    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all this morning :) Have a great day

    Archmage Atlantis: Eos, attend to the meetings....medium painting us.....out of the swirl of arisings, co-arisings with us

    Archmage Atlantis: Is that language useage your own

    Eos Amaterasu: Some yes, some from the group

    Archmage Atlantis: Or does it arise from a particular philosopical construct

    Eos Amaterasu: For example, one exercise that's sometimes done here is to pay attention to the "textures" of appearances

    Eos Amaterasu: rather than their "content"

    Archmage Atlantis: Yes

    Eos Amaterasu: like seeing an oil painting, not a photo of it, where you can almost taste the metallic pigments

    Eos Amaterasu: and feel the 3 swirls of the surface

    Eos Amaterasu: 3D

    Archmage Atlantis: For me that implies both using other senses than normal and using other brain functions that normal for that entity/person

    Archmage Atlantis: You you concur Eos, or is that off the mark


    Eos Amaterasu: that does seem to happen.... the senses are not so distinct, especially as we mix them in iour "minds"

    Archmage Atlantis: Are you aware of the neurological research that has established a small percentage see music and or hear color

    Archmage Atlantis: ?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello steveniai

    Eos Amaterasu: Yes... some people have well-developed synaesthesia

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello, jsut dropped in for a moment

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Stevenaia

    Eos Amaterasu: No longer a beach bum :-) ?

    stevenaia Michinaga: moi?

    Eos Amaterasu: oui

    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Stevenaia

    Fael Illyar: Hi Steve, Kallie :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey kallie

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Kallie and all

    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings Kallie

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Kallie (Eliza grabbed yr log)

    Kallie Kira: hi :)

    Kallie Kira: ok

    Kallie Kira: I just woke up, was out Very late last night

    Kallie Kira: sorry

    Eos Amaterasu: I was just talking with someone who knows a lady who did not realize she was stone deaf until about the age of seven

    Eos Amaterasu: she could "hear" perfectly when looking at people as they talked

    Eos Amaterasu: thought that was normal

    Archmage Atlantis: There are many paths, and each is in some degree unique

    Archmage Atlantis: That is quite interesting Eos, that's a new one for me

    Archmage Atlantis: Especially that she achieved that on her own

    Eos Amaterasu: IN school she thought she was not so smart - eventually realized she was missing some things they were getting

    Archmage Atlantis: And as a small child

    Archmage Atlantis: I know until my parents realized I needed glasses for distance, around the 3rd grade, I was falling behind

    Eos Amaterasu: I guess we "tune" our relationships with appearance, and with meaning.... there's a lot of flexibility there (as SL shows :-)

    Archmage Atlantis: We are more dependent on our physical senses than we realize, nor do we often realize others perceive a different reality from our own

    Eos Amaterasu _sees_ Fael breathing

    Fael Illyar: what flavor of "see" do you mean? visual?

    Eos Amaterasu: your wings seem (see, m y projection) to be synched with breathing

    Fael Illyar: ah

    Archmage Atlantis: Interesting

    Archmage Atlantis: I would look at it the other way

    Archmage Atlantis: Because the wings move, they are involved in drawing in and exhaling breathe

    Archmage Atlantis: Rather than being sync'd

    Archmage Atlantis: Yet, an actual butterfly or moth does not have lungs

    stevenaia Michinaga: I must go

    Archmage Atlantis: In the vertibrate sense

    Fael Illyar: See you later Steve :)

    Archmage Atlantis: Take care Steve

    Eos Amaterasu: bye


    Yakuzza Lethecus: i got to go as well, bye!

    Fael Illyar: See you later Yakuzza :)

    Archmage Atlantis: Bye now Yak

    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Yak

    Archmage Atlantis: Actually I should go also

    Fael Illyar: See you later Arch :)

    Archmage Atlantis: Have good day portions all

    Eos Amaterasu: Mois aussi - ....

    Eos Amaterasu: bye Arch, Fael, Kallie

    Kallie Kira: bye all :)

    Fael Illyar: See you later Eos, Kallie :)

    Kallie Kira: :)

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    Originally written on 19:13, 18 Sep 2009
    There was a follow-up to that cartoon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0DYj5t4SI0
    Posted 11:00, 9 Apr 2010
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