2009.09.08 19:00 - Slightly weird but delightful

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.


    Paradise Tennant: ;) hiya eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Paradise!
    Eos Amaterasu is lost in a seemingly boundary-less 90 secs :-)
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: It's like being thrown in an ocean :-)
    Paradise Tennant: hmmm be part of the ocean and its all good :)
    Eos Amaterasu: sharks are me
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Eos Amaterasu: How are you doing these days?
    Paradise Tennant: very well thank you for asking .. just winding down for the day ..having a chai .. :)) happy to be home :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Here it's winding the day down time
    Paradise Tennant: what time is it there ?
    Eos Amaterasu: 11:07
    Paradise Tennant: ahh you are ahead of me .. only 10.07 here
    Eos Amaterasu: I am in the future :-)
    Paradise Tennant: yes :))
    Paradise Tennant: hiya pila gtsy :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pila
    Pila Mulligan: greetings from the past
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Welcome to our present here :-)
    Pila Mulligan: thanks, it is a nice gift
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Pila Mulligan: I hope you both are well
    Paradise Tennant: yes thanks and you ?
    Pila Mulligan: I also am well, thanks


    Plotting plots

    Eos Amaterasu: Do either of you have guardian land in-world?
    Pila Mulligan: yes
    Paradise Tennant: no but was thinking I would contribute to the land costs regardless.. have always been a homeless sler :))
    Pila Mulligan: I like it since it is free, but I certainly don't want to enjoy it by burdening Pema or anyone
    Eos Amaterasu: I have a plot, from which I've already removed my stuff - I was tending toward an open meadow way of being anyway
    Pila Mulligan: there is a flurry of emails among guardian landowners as to what to do :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes have been reading some of them
    Pila Mulligan: I like open areas too Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: I also like the village idea
    Paradise Tennant: not sure of the numbers is it very expensive
    Pila Mulligan: Storm is busy making a subtitute realm for PaB plot while PaB plots are plotting to keep their present ones :)
    Paradise Tennant: ahh kk does he have his onw world platform
    Eos Amaterasu: plotting plots
    Pila Mulligan: it is mildly chaotic :)
    Eos Amaterasu: chaordic
    Pila Mulligan: I'd suggest we all contribute a little so Pema can pay the next month and thus buy some time to od it more roderly
    Pila Mulligan: do it in 5 weeks instead of 1
    Paradise Tennant: kk what does it cost
    Pila Mulligan: ?
    Pila Mulligan: $15 each?
    Paradise Tennant: a month of time
    Pila Mulligan: just a guess



    Paradise Tennant: sounds like a plan :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)


    Retreating plots

    Eos Amaterasu: Part of this transition is I think also about providing more retreat opportunities
    Paradise Tennant: nods good idea
    Pila Mulligan: so it seems, Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: and playing around with ways to do that here in SL
    Paradise Tennant: seems like there would be a variety of options
    Eos Amaterasu: I think one of the simple truths about play as being is that the more often you do/be (it)
    Eos Amaterasu: the more it happens
    Pila Mulligan: maybe the OpenSim technoolgy would be harmonious with developing retreat opporutnities -- it is more private than SL for now
    Eos Amaterasu: and so creating environment where that happens a lot, in various ways, light hearted, would be great


    Fefonz & Stevenaia enter the plot

    Pila Mulligan: Fefonz! welcome
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Fefonz!
    Paradise Tennant: hiya fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: Hello everybody )
    Pila Mulligan: you are up early :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes, woke up and couldn't get back to sleep
    Pila Mulligan: happy to see you
    Fefonz Quan: me too Pila
    Pila Mulligan: hi Steve
    Paradise Tennant: hiya steve
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Stevenaia
    Fefonz Quan: hey Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Fefonz
    stevenaia Michinaga: Pila, Eos Paradise
    Pila Mulligan: we were chatting about the PaB plots revisions and retreat ideas for online
    Fefonz Quan: online?
    Pila Mulligan: in-world
    Pila Mulligan: SL
    stevenaia Michinaga: online retreats soounds very convenient
    Eos Amaterasu: More, and more intensive, practice occasions online
    Pila Mulligan: Fef, what were your favorites parts about the retreat
    Fefonz Quan: sounds interesting
    Fefonz Quan: Comunicating with the people in RL i guess
    Pila Mulligan: retreater reports have been coming in here since it ended
    Fefonz Quan: and the atmosphere of practice that was created that was inspiring and profound
    Pila Mulligan: and the food?
    Pila Mulligan: the food has gotten high marks
    Fefonz Quan: yes, that too :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, very yummy
    Fefonz Quan: though now that i am in tel aviv, i can get good food here too :)
    Pila Mulligan: escaped from McDonalds
    Fefonz Quan: yep
    Eos Amaterasu: the physical ambience of the rl retreat made a difference, too
    Pila Mulligan: talk is of a Januray retreat in Malta, by the way
    Fefonz Quan: yes, malta sounds great
    Eos Amaterasu: very blue sky, clear, great trees, blue jays, deer
    stevenaia Michinaga: that keeps sounding better all the time
    Pila Mulligan: Maxine's rabbit
    Eos Amaterasu: and the crisp apple slices shes brought me as I sat under a redwood tree
    Pila Mulligan: Maxine told about a little rabbit she met each day on her wood walks
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Fefonz Quan: ah, didn't hear about the rabbit
    Fefonz Quan: sounds like Alice
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Fefonz Quan: and we were aiming at the rabbit hole
    Eos Amaterasu: Tying 90s secs in SL to same 90 secs in RL
    Pila Mulligan: sounds like you got a few times at least
    Paradise Tennant: :)



    Fefonz Quan: (and no IMs meanwhile :)
    Eos Amaterasu: How was that rabbit hole?
    Fefonz Quan: ( i used a quote, i guess it was misunderstood)
    Fefonz Quan: (->Eos)
    Paradise Tennant: there is no substitute really for rl connection .. physical presence on many levels but sl does provide a viable option to practise and connect on a different level
    Fefonz Quan: i agree
    Paradise Tennant: in world retreats would work too .. no crisp apple slices but shared attention .. like focus
    Eos Amaterasu: :-(
    Fefonz Quan: and the fact we had the SL experience previously gave the retreat a totally different point to start from
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, Fefonz!
    Paradise Tennant: yes you were already connected
    Fefonz Quan nods
    Eos Amaterasu: slightly weird but delightful
    Fefonz Quan: yes, good description Eos
    Fefonz Quan: i can use that phrasing to other things too...
    Paradise Tennant: well you get the same person really - maybe here it is just a five inch cartoon but really the same person regardless the same attention .. intention .. presence :)
    Fefonz Quan: same person, slightly different persona? (me wonder)
    Eos Amaterasu: inside as source of outsides, in RL, SL, dreaming....


    Speaking of dreaming...

    Paradise Tennant: well reality manifests .. :)) regardless of the venue :)
    Pila Mulligan: Maxine talked some about that at her workshop earlier
    Pila Mulligan: dream spcae during the day at the retreat
    Paradise Tennant: do you remember your dreams pila
    Fefonz Quan: yes, she shared some of this in the rereat too
    Pila Mulligan: yes, Paradise
    Fefonz Quan too
    Paradise Tennant: i envy you two then .. mine disappear like mist .. not even shreds left usually
    Pila Mulligan: maybe you wake up too fast :)
    Eos Amaterasu: it seems to be a trainable skill, with some people of course having more talent
    Paradise Tennant: ;) takes me a long time to wake .. i drink a copy of coffee and stare out at the sun rising for a long time before i really move ..
    Paradise Tennant: would like to learn how
    Fefonz Quan: not that it is always convenient Paradise
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: if you are interested you probably can learn to rememebr dreams
    Fefonz Quan: sometimes i think 'dreamless' sleep is calmer
    Paradise Tennant: can you set the stage for beautiful dreams .. like tonight I would like to be sailing on a blue blue ocean
    Paradise Tennant: I think there are always dreams ..
    Fefonz Quan: not in my experience
    Pila Mulligan: some people dream that way
    Paradise Tennant: regardless of whether or not we remember them
    Pila Mulligan: Maxine thinks we contonuously dream also
    Fefonz Quan: i guess, but in a way what you don't remember won't bother you ;-)
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: A lot of our seemingly waking life is dreaming of one kind or another
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Pila Mulligan: imagination and fantasy and dreams are no doubt cousins
    Fefonz Quan: yes, and we put that on the reality, like making an 'augmented reality' of our own
    Eos Amaterasu: What I learned at RL retreat is that some people can use that as a way of knowing, a practice



    Paradise Tennant: been rereading the self aware universe - our sense of self but a tangled hierarchy a point of disconnect with the quantum mind :)
    Pila Mulligan: Polynesians actually used dreaming in trans-oceanic navigation :)
    Paradise Tennant: nice
    Paradise Tennant: yikes my chat is in time warp .. coming out in strange order.. earlier comments showing up much later :)
    Pila Mulligan: mine has been laggy too
    Fefonz Quan: be careful with saying 'quantum mind' next to a physicist :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: ok
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Fefonz Quan: hehe
    Eos Amaterasu is getting asynching feeling
    Fefonz Quan: can you say more Eos?
    Eos Amaterasu: laughing about the asynch world we live in: our typos often show that
    Eos Amaterasu: I think Wol said that in a log - typos are SL body language
    Paradise Tennant: great comment
    Fefonz Quan thinks they show more about technical abilities...
    Eos Amaterasu: the converstions here are often made of several threaded strands
    Fefonz Quan: and the fact we (in contrast with the youngsters today) were not born with a keyboard attached
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: and the time of day sometimes .. sleepy .. much more in the way of body language
    Fefonz Quan: Eos, did you mean you get asynching feeling in RL too?
    Paradise Tennant: sorry have to ask asynching .. = a sinking ?
    Fefonz Quan ask cause i think i know that feeling
    Eos Amaterasu: there's mixed RL and SL - as Paradise said, sometimes phrases arrive out of order
    Eos Amaterasu: plus we often have several conversations going, interweaving
    Pila Mulligan: are you a-synching into a rabbit hole?
    Eos Amaterasu: plus we can look up immediate past, scroll back
    Eos Amaterasu: not to mention googling and reading old logs
    Eos Amaterasu: and then every now and then just being here :-)
    Paradise Tennant: google and wiki .. so we have ginormous brains ..it is all good


    How Google interviews

    Fefonz Quan: Guess we do that in RL too Eos.
    Fefonz Quan: though google remembers better...
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, indeed
    Fefonz Quan: (talked with a google recruiter yesterday, btw)
    Eos Amaterasu: (cool)
    Pila Mulligan: it would be an interesting place to work
    Paradise Tennant: google will run the world
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Fefonz Quan: they seem to have an interesting procedure to interview...
    Pila Mulligan: how so?
    Fefonz Quan: about 5-6 meetings, each 45 min, in which they give you problems to solve, and down to coding it.
    Pila Mulligan: one problem per meeting?
    Paradise Tennant: interesting .. microsoft does something similar
    Fefonz Quan: don't know Pila, didn't go to the interview yet
    Pila Mulligan: would you have to work in California?
    Fefonz Quan: obviously not. they have branches here too
    Pila Mulligan: ahh -- didn't know
    Fefonz Quan: not that i think i will go there, doesn't seem like my type of work.
    Pila Mulligan: i like to one day a week for personal projects
    Fefonz Quan: yes, me too :)
    Eos Amaterasu: At least!



    Fefonz Quan: though you have that in other places - there it's called saturday ;-)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Fefonz Quan landed from the PaB retreat straight to job searching in a few days. what a change
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan needs to be going -- nice to see everyone -- bye for now
    Eos Amaterasu: working as being :-)
    Paradise Tennant: I am going to have excuse myself ..sorry getting very very sleepy .. time to walk the dog and go to bed .. per chance to dream :)) thank you all .. be well :))
    Fefonz Quan: bye Pila, good seeing you
    Eos Amaterasu: Caio, Para!
    Pila Mulligan: same Fef, thanks
    Fefonz Quan: bye paradise
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Pila
    Paradise Tennant: good nite .. eos ..pila fefonz .. always a pleasure :))
    Fefonz Quan: guess i'll go too, try to get back to sleep
    Eos Amaterasu: And I'll try to start sleep - good night/morn
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