2009.09.12 01:00 - Into the Cryptic

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.


    Pema, Arch, Yakuzza and Fael joined me for this session.....

    Pema Pera: Hi Scathach!
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema
    Pema Pera: A quiet session, so far :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: how are you today?
    Pema Pera: oh fine! It's 5 pm, Saturday afternoon, here in Kyoto.
    Pema Pera: And how about you?
    Scathach Rhiadra: oh fine, still asleep, it is early Saturday morning here
    Pema Pera: Thanks for getting up early to keep this slot occupied! It's probably one of the more quiet weekly PaB sessions, usually?
    Scathach Rhiadra: oh two or three people usually, very seldm nobody
    Scathach Rhiadra: so have you recovered from your retreat:)?
    Pema Pera: oh, sure, or perhaps I should say I have covered :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Pema Pera: after the retreat I spent a week in New York, at home, and then a week in Tokyo, for a rather intense one-week astronomy workshop
    Pema Pera: Interestingly, just like the PaB retreat was the first in what will become a series, and thus setting the tone for possibly years to come,
    Pema Pera: similarly, the astronomy workshop gave my colleagues and me also a natural chance to outline our international joint research for the next few years.
    Pema Pera: So the last three weeks have been quite extraordinary for me
    Scathach Rhiadra: with all the teaveling not time to breathe!
    Pema Pera: Do you have any questions or suggestions or comments about the RL retreat? Given that we'll have another retreat in Malta in a few months, it is not too late to start thinking about what to do there, and for how long -- any chance you might participate?
    Pema Pera: Hi Arch!
    Pema Pera: *not too early
    Pema Pera: (I'll blame that on lingering jetlag)
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, very unlikely, I will robably be going to Asia next year, have limited holiday time
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Arch
    Pema Pera: where in Asia?
    Scathach Rhiadra: India and Nepal
    Pema Pera: how nice! how long?
    Scathach Rhiadra: about four weeks
    Pema Pera: (Archmage: I read "Extraordinary how Pema" -- did I miss the rest of that sentence?)
    Pema Pera is worried about his internet connection
    Archmage Atlantis: And Hello Pema & Scathach
    Pema Pera: great, Scathach!
    Archmage Atlantis: The last 3 weeks, I arrived at the end of that thought
    Scathach Rhiadra: well you are early today

    a brief discussion on the dialogues between Pema and Stim for the planned PaB books.....

    Scathach Rhiadra: I have been reading the dialogues for the Pab book, very interesting
    Pema Pera: glad to hear that, Scathach!
    Pema Pera: Anything in particular that you found interesting?
    Pema Pera: Hi Fael!
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Fael
    Fael Illyar: Hi Pema, Scath, Arch :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: they were all interesting!
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: any aspect of those that you'd like us to talk about here?
    Scathach Rhiadra: well I suppose there seems to to a difference in view of Wu-Wei..?
    Pema Pera: The difference may be more in view of PaB than in wu-wei itself
    Pema Pera: hi Yak!
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Yakuzza
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, I admit to being uniformed "wu-wel" is ?
    Pema Pera: I was using the term wu-wei rather broadly, to describe much of what we are doing in Play as Being
    Pema Pera: wu-wei is a Chinese term, meaning literally "not-doing"
    Pema Pera: suggesting that the best way to do something is by "not doing" -- it's a Taoist term, and of course it needs quite a discussion to unpack the idea :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: Dang, I can't even type or spell in Mandarin
    Pema Pera: roughly speaking: don't manipulate, don't force, don't cause friction; act naturally in the context of what is at hand
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I understood you - much of the world operates by "not doing"
    Archmage Atlantis: Still that is like economics
    Archmage Atlantis: Things will continue as they always have
    Archmage Atlantis: Until they do not
    Archmage Atlantis: It is the "time of doing" that is important

    Pema suggests an exercise for the 90-second pause coming up.....

    Pema Pera: Scathach, would you be interested in doing a brief exploration/exercise/practice, during the next 90 seconds break, so that we can then talk about it, afterwards, as we have done in the RL retreat?
    Pema Pera: given that you're the guardian-on-call, I thought I'd ask you first :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: sure
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Pema Pera: any preference for a direction?
    Scathach Rhiadra: not at all
    Pema Pera: anybody else a preference?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yet things flow
    Archmage Atlantis: Let
    Pema Pera: that may be a bit too unspecific . . . in general, we found in the RL retreat that a bit more specificity helped to get deeper into an exercise, according to those I taked with
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Pema Pera: how about "appreciating the presence of appearance", our old friend?
    Archmage Atlantis: Or the 9/11 remembrance
    Pema Pera: I found it very refreshing, even though I've done this particular exploration many times by now . . . I became keenly aware of all the noise around me here in the coffeeshop where I'm sitting, and I was surprised by the beauty in what also could be judged as a cacophony of odd sounds.
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Pema Pera: sounds of machines, outside traffic, shouts and laughter, musis in the background
    Pema Pera: *music
    Archmage Atlantis: Pema, what coffee shop is open at this time?
    Pema Pera: and I also wondered to what extend I would be able to focus on this kind of exploration under great stress or duress of any kind
    Pema Pera: -- of course, I won't know until that happens
    Pema Pera: but potentially this sentence could be a great resource, if one has become familiar enough with it during more normal situations
    Pema Pera: How about anyone else, how did the exploration go?
    Archmage Atlantis: For the exploration in a Dunkin Doughnuts is not the same as a Starbucks
    Archmage Atlantis: And the ability to explore is a lesson that leads to lessons
    Scathach Rhiadra: I just use a breathing exercise to focus attention on the moment and include whatever is present, the sounds around me
    Scathach Rhiadra: I don't tend to use sentences or words or try to investigate anything, just be
    Pema Pera: Do you use those breathing exercises in particular situations at home, or also while being out on the street or in a work situation, etc?
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, as much as possible, all the time, (when I remember.....:))

    Arch introduces a somewhat 'cryptic' note to the conversation.....

    Archmage Atlantis: Scatach, Pema is more used to this than I.......I live in a dying body
    Scathach Rhiadra: one could say we all do Arch:)
    Archmage Atlantis: I fell urgency in passing the information
    Archmage Atlantis: *feel
    Archmage Atlantis: I find if it is not desired by the other entity, it does not exist
    Pema Pera: sorry, Arch, I don't understand -- do you have a chronic disease?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes
    Pema Pera: may I ask what kind of disease?
    Archmage Atlantis: No
    Archmage Atlantis: For it matters not
    Archmage Atlantis: It is suffering
    Archmage Atlantis: All have it
    Pema Pera: You mean you are healthy but you are going to die like all of us?
    Archmage Atlantis: You still inquire, you do not accept
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, anyone else have anything to sy about the exercise?
    Fael Illyar: Pema, Arch doesn't want you to understand his disease.
    Pema Pera: Fael, I have no idea whether Arch is talking metaphorically about suffering as a universal disease, or whether he has an actual disease -- but if he does not want to clarify, that is fine of course. But in that case, I wonder why he brought it up.
    Fael Illyar: True, that is kind of conflicting messages.
    Scathach Rhiadra: so, will there be more dialogues soon Pema?
    Pema Pera: as soon as Stim and I can find time to meet, Schathach
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Pema Pera: with me in Japan and he in California, we are hard pressed to meet regularly
    Pema Pera: perhaps in one or two weeks again
    Fael Illyar: Yes, it can be difficult with the time zones.

    time for goodbyes.....

    Pema Pera: well, I have to go.
    Pema Pera: Bye everybody!
    Fael Illyar: See you later Pema :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Say Hello to Moon, Pema
    Scathach Rhiadra: goodbye Pema, have a great evening, it was good to see you:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: I must go too, goodbye all, thank you:)
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, inspiration, not presperation
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Archmage Atlantis: Let us dance again FAel
    Archmage Atlantis: Can we do it here?
    Archmage Atlantis: And you Yak
    Archmage Atlantis: You are strangly silent
    Fael Illyar: No dance balls here... we'd have to move.
    Fael Illyar: Yak is usually silent. It's very rare I see him speak.
    Archmage Atlantis: He always speaks
    Archmage Atlantis: I hear him think
    Fael Illyar: ah, now you don't?
    Fael Illyar: maybe he's afk then.
    Archmage Atlantis: Take me to the dance hall
    Fael Illyar: allright :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Offer Yak a tp
    Fael Illyar: Sure :)
    Fael Illyar: here's a landmark so you can find it yourself too later, but I'll tp as it's quite a walk

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