2009.09.18 19:00 - People and Planets

The substitute Guardian for this meeting was Pila Mulligan.

Paul Namiboo: All alone again
doug Sosa: it has been very quiet lately.
Paul Namiboo: Probably just as well -- I really need some sleep, but my clock
Paul Namiboo: is so screwed up.....
doug Sosa: does swimimming help?
Paul Namiboo: I'm sure it will -- just the two weeks on the raod
Paul Namiboo: what with little exercise and many meetings at weird hours...
doug Sosa: after long time traveling i try to dp exercise quickly. Then i can sleep.
Paul Namiboo: dp exercise?
doug Sosa: You really did an heroic trip.
doug Sosa: do exercise, sorry.
Paul Namiboo: I'll swim tomorrow morning and walked after return today.
Paul Namiboo: Trip was made both tough and exciting by great MAHB response
doug Sosa: Did you get some idea for more evocative language for the mssion statement?
doug Sosa: Did you raise the question, what is human, what do humans want..?
Paul Namiboo: I'm waiting to see what the Scandivavians come up with
Paul Namiboo: I fear it may be more research oriented, whereas Bob and I are interested in outreach and real change -- at least I think that's his position
doug Sosa: We need great rhetoirical power.
Paul Namiboo: The three of us need to cover this stuff on Sunday. Let's try voice now, since there's only us
doug Sosa: Bob has passion but he is very socialized to the social science paradigm. thelnaguage doesn't flow the way you and ann can do it. Do you read Chaalmers Johnson?
doug Sosa: paul there is some feedback.
Paul Namiboo: sound impossible -- do you have any idea where the feedback is coming from?
doug Sosa: sorry about that. do you have a mike that picks up from your speaker?
doug Sosa: do you have a headset?
Paul Namiboo: I'll try attaching a mike -- I just using computer mike/speaker. Hold on
Paul Namiboo: Let's try this on Sunday
doug Sosa: i'll do some work beforehand.
Paul Namiboo: Let's meet sometime --maybe before our meet with Bob and try to work out the sound
doug Sosa: eos is here, from way up north.
--BELL--
Paul Namiboo: Hi Eos
doug Sosa: paul send me an email about when and i can do it.
Eos Amaterasu: Hi both
doug Sosa: :)
Paul Namiboo: :)
doug Sosa: Eos, Paul is just back from oslo (i thinK) barcelona, washington, and home today.
Pila Mulligan: hi Paul and Doug and Eos
Paul Namiboo: Hi Pila -- still loving the 45 Mouton
Pila Mulligan: :)
doug Sosa: pila :)
Pila Mulligan: it has had more appreciation than most pixels :)
doug Sosa: i can't till we have the bandwidth for espresso.
Paul Namiboo: Actually Stockholm and DC --next time Barcelona. Yawn
doug Sosa: ah, yes.
doug Sosa: well, through frankfurt.
Paul Namiboo: UA 45 mins late -- had 45 minute sprint to catch Stockholm flight -- soaked with sweat
Pila Mulligan: ah, the airport sprint
doug Sosa: Eos, Nature mag had an article on greenland melting. Does that make news where you are?
Eos Amaterasu: Well, there's certainly awareness to some extent of issues like that
Paul Namiboo: Where are you Eos?
Eos Amaterasu: not to mention things like collapse of fish stocks
Eos Amaterasu: I'm across the pool from you :-)
Eos Amaterasu: and 4,000 miles away in Nova Scotia
Paul Namiboo: Hope the pool doesn't begin to boil
Eos Amaterasu: How that kind of knowledge changes how we be is the ?
Paul Namiboo: It certainly makes it harder for me to relax -- which is bad
Eos Amaterasu: the 9 secs needs to be in the DNA of our economies and businesses and technologies
Paul Namiboo: I agree -- we need to rethink what people are for
Eos Amaterasu: in our trades
Eos Amaterasu: we need to rethink our rethinking
Pila Mulligan: I like this planet, and don't like to see it harmed
Eos Amaterasu: meaning reframing
Eos Amaterasu: re meaning back to the origin
doug Sosa: I went to a talk yesterday, cal tech alumni association (Iam speaking in Nov), the talk was on simulating neurons.
doug Sosa: The speaker was forthright and up to date onthe analog nature of the connection at the synapse, ut it made the audience nervous to see that
doug Sosa: it was not zeros and ones all the way.
Paul Namiboo: I sure need somone to simulate some more for me today!
Paul Namiboo: There was a recent article in which they've pretty definitely found mirror neurons in people -- good new, the path to empathy may be built in
Paul Namiboo: new=news
Pila Mulligan: so what is obstructing the realization of their function, I wonder
Paul Namiboo: I think its largely that we've always been a small-group animal
Pila Mulligan: tribal?
Eos Amaterasu: empathy needs to be part of Goldman Sachs, that's what's obstructing
doug Sosa: too much isolation, and mirror neurons help lock in on charsimatic leadership.
Pila Mulligan: :)
Paul Namiboo: We learned early who were the "us" to be empathic with
Pila Mulligan: al those reasons, I see :)
Paul Namiboo: But we haven't gotten over that that implies a "them"
Pila Mulligan: myopia maybe too
Eos Amaterasu: there's lots of psuedo empathy, emotions being fed and jerked around and cultivated.... for profit
Eos Amaterasu: real vampires :-)
Paul Namiboo: Very much so
doug Sosa: and the way entropy enters if the connections and distinctions break down but noting replaces them but anxiety.
Eos Amaterasu: the source is already here
Pila Mulligan: so what's a human to do!
Paul Namiboo: Just for your general interest. I strongly recommend Sarah Hrdy's new book, "Mothers and Others"
Eos Amaterasu: noticing anxiety comes from a place outside it
doug Sosa: we are doing pretty well right here.
Eos Amaterasu: Anybody want to claim this session?
Eos Amaterasu: (Dakini is the guardian)
doug Sosa: I am being called by burnig crab cakes!! bye friends for no2w.
Paul Namiboo: Well, the time I'm on is 4 am, so I'm afraid I've got to go. Hope to be around more for the next few weeks. I missed you guys
Pila Mulligan: bye Doug
Paul Namiboo: Bye
Pila Mulligan: bye Paul
Eos Amaterasu visualizes burning crabcakes calling Doug
--BELL--
Pila Mulligan: I can post the log Eos
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Pila Mulligan: you got it last time :)
Pila Mulligan: i agree with your comment that empathy needs to be part of Goldman Sachs
Pila Mulligan: that's where the levers are (were:)
Pila Mulligan: rememebr the old ad 'whats good for GM is good for the US'?
Eos Amaterasu: It needs to be part of the mathematics of finance
Eos Amaterasu remembers that slogan
Pila Mulligan: look where it got us :)
Pila Mulligan is not a fan of predatory economimcs
Pila Mulligan: but it is so entrenched
Pila Mulligan: it may need to fail before it can be fixed
Eos Amaterasu: entrenched by our beliefs
Eos Amaterasu: it probably does need to fail first
Pila Mulligan: and our acquiesence
Eos Amaterasu: Coming from Being vs coming from debt (feeling of want)
Pila Mulligan: a cooperative economy takes less effort
Pila Mulligan: more time for fishing
Eos Amaterasu: Finance is not value neutral; money especially is not value neutral
Eos Amaterasu: more time for more time
Eos Amaterasu: but we are going faster and faster
Eos Amaterasu: more and more nowhere
Pila Mulligan thinks rat race
Eos Amaterasu: whereas we can be stiller
Eos Amaterasu: in "well-being"
Eos Amaterasu: Pila, do you have a Tai Chi enabled park for the village yet?
Pila Mulligan: yes, I thought you had seen it -- it is fun
Pila Mulligan: want to go see?
Eos Amaterasu: Sure.... bye pavilion... we should keep 15 min 90 secs going....