2009.09.20 07:00 - Relaxing into Being

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    This morning we had a nice little discussion beginning with the nine seconds and "waking up" ending up talking oursselves into just dropping things  or just plain loving.

    Adams Rubble: Good morning Corvi :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hi adams
    Adams Rubble: How are you this morning and is there anything you'd like to talk about?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'm well...I don't have a topic right now
    Adams Rubble: We can sit enjoying the sunshine
    Adams Rubble: and each other
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins
    Adams Rubble: Hello Doug :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi doug
    doug Sosa: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: we haven't come up with a topic..do you have one?
    Adams Rubble: I thought we had one - enjoying the siunshine and each other (giggles)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh yeah...forgot...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles and bumps her shoulder against yours
    doug Sosa: the difference beween waking up and going into the 9 sec.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I just thought that was normal.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: me listens to doug's topic and considers.
    Adams Rubble: Good morning Eos :)
    Adams Rubble: Good morning Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Morning folks
    doug Sosa: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mornin, Eos, Eliza
    Eos Amaterasu: Good morning Adams, Doug, Eliza, Corvi
    Eliza Madrigal: My tag is odd man out :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: the topic is doug Sosa: the difference beween waking up and going into the 9 sec.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and the theme is enjoying the sunshine and each other
    Corvuscorva Nightfire says primly.
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: to the newcomers
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Corvi
    Adams Rubble: gnucommers
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Corvuscorva Nightfire thinks what waking up feels like...in different situations...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: how do the two differe for you, doug?
    Adams Rubble: waking up is something that might be done in the nine seconds
    doug Sosa: it has some 9 sec like qualitites, the tendency of things to float, lack of focus.
    Eos Amaterasu: "I can see clearly now, the rain has gone"
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: smiles at the two ideas.
    doug Sosa: maybe we have a hard time wakingup because we miss the 9 sec quality of it., between rl and dl.
    doug Sosa: Dreamlife
    Eos Amaterasu: Doug, re lack of focus =? lack of fixation on things?
    Adams Rubble has different song in the head ("just look at them and sigh...and know they love you"
    doug Sosa: yes, the rl han't come into focus, things are not yet quite definite.
    Eos Amaterasu just heard that song on CBC radio
    Adams Rubble 's song not relevant to the discussion of course
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure we can fit it in there somehow Adams...heh
    Eos Amaterasu: Doug, are u referrring to wake from sleep ( 'zzzzzz...)
    doug Sosa: i used to love late night jazz on CBC. five years ago.
    doug Sosa: yes, wake from sleep transition compare d to going into 9 sec ttransition.
    Adams Rubble: for me the 9 second is a stopping first
    Adams Rubble: then come what may
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: for me, wake from sleep involves a fuzziness sandwiched between the two clarities of "nothing" and "awake"
    doug Sosa: stop, or end?
    Adams Rubble: stop for me
    doug Sosa: stop implies kinf of putting on the breaks. vs letting go.
    Adams Rubble: letting go is a second step
    doug Sosa: action vs more passive.
    Adams Rubble: when we are busy, not always possible to let go
    Adams Rubble: but we can see what we are doing more clearly
    Adams Rubble: whoops
    Eos Amaterasu: 9 secs is like putting quotation marks around space, time, and whatever juicy stuff comes up
    Eliza Madrigal: Waking for me depends on the dreams I've had or not had, and I suppose the 9 second pauses are the same...depend on the environment they take place from
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: 9 seconds is a moment of clarity for me...making general "awake" just seem like busy fuzziness.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: more like the moment between sleep and "awake"
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: so that the 9 seconds is "awaker"
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    doug Sosa: these are important distinctions.
    Eliza Madrigal: there are mornings I wake up with cares or concerns, and it seems like a require a pause already... before I even get out of bed!
    Adams Rubble: an interesting topic. Even stopping to see what we are doing is a kind of awakening
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles at Eliza and nods
    doug Sosa: I imagine (recall) being towed in a glider by another plane (awake), then the line is dropped and I am free flight (9 sec).
    Adams Rubble: yes Eliza
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, Adams - I've been absorbed in some things, then I awake to the space it's in, and I"m in
    Corvuscorva Nightfire looks at doug's metaphor with interest
    Adams Rubble: except in a work situation we have to hook up again to the plane
    doug Sosa: well, i like doing the 9 sec in all sorts of situations. meeetings, writing, even driving (cautiously).
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods..me too.
    doug Sosa: Lately while cooking.
    Eos Amaterasu: in a sense we are re-capturing the big mega 9secs we are already in
    Adams Rubble has a hard enough time keeping the car off the sidewalk (giggles)
    Eos Amaterasu: which includes our work life
    Eliza Madrigal nods, so better to never hook or unhook but unhook while hooking and visa versa...
    Eliza Madrigal giggles at Adams
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods..trying to be aware of ourselves...beneath the busy...or that's what I'm doing anyway.
    Eos Amaterasu: activity still happens inside the letting-go
    Adams Rubble nods to Eos
    doug Sosa: yes. like yeserday doing laundry before guests arrive.
    Eos Amaterasu: my hand moves to pick up the sponge
    doug Sosa: I aught myself being decidedly non 9 sec.
    doug Sosa: Suddenly (it feeles sudden)
    doug Sosa: i am aware of much more, and my actions become much more deliberate,
    doug Sosa: and enjoyable.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: cool!
    doug Sosa: I don't even have to put the laundry in the machine. i can "play" and just enjoy dropping he stufff all over the floor!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: another kind of dropping :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: It seems possible to cultivate the continuity, though we are funny creatures and often revert back to old patterns whether they work for us or not...
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe just because we don't want someone to ask why we're not wearing a star on our belly like everyone else...heheh
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods nods
    Eos Amaterasu: It's said "it's easy to recognize, it's hard to remember to recog"
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: heh..I suspect it is just inertia, though, Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal smiles... yes
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it takes longer to break a habit than to make one.
    Eos Amaterasu: & we probably have centuries of habits
    Adams Rubble wonders about bad nehavior just being a habit
    Eos Amaterasu: manhy of them right in our bodies
    Adams Rubble: oh yes Eos
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I have at least 40 years of habits, anyway...and I guess Grandma's too...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes there is a kind of discomfort to staying with change...even the best sort
    Adams Rubble: some of them taught to us
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think you're right, Adams...that most behaviors "good" or "bad"
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: are pretty much "habit"
    Adams Rubble nods to Eliza and Corvi
    Eos Amaterasu: Doug, have you been able to catch the first moment of awakening, before the first discursive thought?
    Adams Rubble: actually I doidn;t quite say that Corvi :)
    doug Sosa: I am not sure.
    doug Sosa: I need to go at the bell. guest kids and pancakes. :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yakuzza
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Doug :) Enjoy
    Adams Rubble: bye Doug
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yakuzza :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye doug
    Adams Rubble: don;t drop the pancakes on the kids :)
    Eos Amaterasu: HI Yak, buey doug
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hi Yakuzza
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I need to go, too...it's good to see ya'll.
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Corvi, nice to see you too
    Adams Rubble: bye Corvi. great seeing you again :)
    Eliza Madrigal: sweet dreams til sunbeams find you... sweet dreams and leave your worries.. far behind you...
    Eos Amaterasu: We were talking about waking up in the morning, how that's like the 9 secs, or not; habitts...
    Eos Amaterasu: bye corvi
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins at Eliza
    Adams Rubble: hmmm. how interesting
    Adams Rubble: I thought it was a bout waking to our situation
    Adams Rubble: midfulness type waking
    Eos Amaterasu: I asked Doug which he was referring to....
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, which situation? Waking to see that we're not awake?
    Adams Rubble: how interesting we can have a discusssion and be talking about different things :)
    Adams Rubble: it all seemed to fit togetehr though
    Eliza Madrigal nods... yes . That's one thing I like about reading the logs
    Eliza Madrigal: You can isolate the players and see the views
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: the ambiguities of language
    Eliza Madrigal: and then somehow they all overlap nicely... very neat
    Adams Rubble: Oh Eliza Ilike that...isolation fo the players :)
    Eos Amaterasu: doug Sosa: yes, wake from sleep transition compare d to going into 9 se
    Adams Rubble: still the metaphor would carry over
    Adams Rubble missed the sleep quote
    Eos Amaterasu: definitely related
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Adams Rubble never drops laundry on the floor when waking up
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Eliza Madrigal: you don't do laundry in your sleep Adams?
    Adams Rubble: maybe on going to bed
    Adams Rubble: dropping, not doing that is
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: sorry I am feeling a bit silly
    Eliza Madrigal: you have do have laundry to do before you can drop it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: silly is always good :)
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Eliza Madrigal: do we try to drop things we don't need to? That would be stressful
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Adams Rubble: Still it is interesting to realize the midfulness associated with the nine seconds even if we do not intend it
    Adams Rubble will work on the spelling of mindfulness
    Adams Rubble: I often have become aware of the purpose of what I am doing
    Adams Rubble: that is the relevance of what I am doing to the purpose
    Adams Rubble: seeing the bugger picture
    Adams Rubble: and then adjusting
    Eliza Madrigal: you've had a very interesting relationship with the 9 sec. Adams... writing and then getting to see a map of sorts
    Adams Rubble: or finding the energy to com,lete a difficult task
    Adams Rubble: writing down helps to see
    Adams Rubble: the patterns
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I guess it is like connecting the dots
    Eliza Madrigal: ?
    Adams Rubble: connecting
    Eos Amaterasu: writing helps make manifest
    Eliza Madrigal: it certainly has been a great tool for me, too
    Adams Rubble: writing is fun :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I know it is a little off topic, but may I ask if others ever feel unhinged by the nine seconds... or maybe by the 'openness' it and this 'mindfulness' cultivates, in general?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Not in the nine seconds Eliza but to something you said eaarlier
    Adams Rubble: I was thinking about our conversation during the 90 seconds
    Adams Rubble: and thinking about our inconstancy and confusion when we fall back into our old patterns
    Adams Rubble: and the Crsby, Stiles and Nash song popped back into my head
    Adams Rubble: and I looked at it and sighed
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: "love potion #9, #10, #11, ..."
    Adams Rubble: and thought of Love as what we have left to combat that
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: not combat
    Adams Rubble: jjust what is left to do
    Adams Rubble: the healer
    Eos Amaterasu: I sometimes get this feeling.... it's like there are beats going on, and in the 9 secs you don't hit the beat ,you let it happen
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: so you're a bit outside it, but hearing it clearer
    Eos Amaterasu: sometimes that can be like being a ghost in this world
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: puts one on the periphery...
    Eliza Madrigal thinks of Picasso
    Adams Rubble: we feel on the periphery
    Adams Rubble: feel we are
    Adams Rubble: Cubism?
    Adams Rubble: or his life?
    Eos Amaterasu: "outside looking in"?
    Eliza Madrigal: I know, funny... but I would describe unhinged as a Picasso image... space between things.. shifting perspectives
    Eos Amaterasu: but also more inside, looking out
    Eliza Madrigal: and standing back....
    Adams Rubble: cubism looks at an object from differrent angles at the same time
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe Love is the unifier which makes higher sense of things
    Eos Amaterasu: more than cubism, which still focused on the angles
    Adams Rubble: yes!
    Eos Amaterasu: here space is the place (Sun Ra)
    Adams Rubble: the broken mirror metaphor
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eos Amaterasu: but space is "home", which has warmth quality, vulnerableop , open
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmmmmmm
    Adams Rubble: opening to the space from our fragmented viewpoint of the world
    Eos Amaterasu: but not stressing the fragmentation
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: opening to
    Eos Amaterasu: seeing that it's organically put together, actively, constantly
    Eos Amaterasu: not static
    Eliza Madrigal: home is 'in idea' where we relax...into being
    Adams Rubble: and that we belong
    Adams Rubble: yes relax :)
    Eos Amaterasu: "your eyes looked from your mother's face"
    Adams Rubble: and know she loves you
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: yes: authenticity, because your'e more open, you can touch things more directly
    Eos Amaterasu: and be touched, so vulnerble, even "sad" in a full sense
    Eos Amaterasu: and totally let go
    Adams Rubble nods
    Eos Amaterasu: no parachute
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Adams Rubble: acceptance
    Adams Rubble smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: "you who are on the road must have a code that you can live by"
    Eliza Madrigal: My song is love... my song is love..alone....
    Adams Rubble: the music of the spheres
    Eliza Madrigal: A lovely Sunday morning with you all... must be outwardly productive for a few hours now...heheh...keep the dance going
    Adams Rubble: Yes, it was a good session
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Adams, Eos, and Ya too.... :) Bye for now
    Eos Amaterasu: Must also go, for into the RL outside
    Adams Rubble: nice we when we can end by letting go :)
    Adams Rubble: thank you all
    Eliza Madrigal grins... very nice yes
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye all!
    Adams Rubble: have a good day
    Adams Rubble: bye

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