2009.09.21 13:00 - Consumer Enticements

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Stim Morane. The comments are by Stim Morane.


    doug Sosa: hi sca
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello doug
    Scathach Rhiadra: how are you today?
    doug Sosa: its bee a day that lloks like spagetti
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    doug Sosa: been=
    doug Sosa: yourself?
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah fine ty!
    doug Sosa: good. I try to maintain a kind of 9 sec attitude towards spagetti but sometimes it eludes me!
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    doug Sosa: i had the day lined up like a iapno sonata but then the pedal broke (computer crash).
    doug Sosa: =piano
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Yakuzza
    doug Sosa: hi)
    Bleu Oleander: hi all
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bleu, Stim:)
    Stim Morane: Hi Scachach, Doug, Bleu, Yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
    Qt Core: hi all
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Qt
    doug Sosa: :)
    doug Sosa: time is running out, which is ok if you are enlightened, but for me better to use the time to make a foolish mistake :)
    Stim Morane: what was that in reference to, Doug? I missed something ..
    doug Sosa: only that we were sitting...:)
    Stim Morane: Ho
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello paul
    doug Sosa: :)
    Stim Morane: Hi Paul
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Paul
    Qt Core: Hi Paul
    Paul Namiboo: Hi -- just dropped by to say hello!
    doug Sosa: This is a very enlightened group. hence bery quiet today :)
    doug Sosa: No need to make foolish mistakes.
    Qt Core: too much enlightment in the we, maybe ;-)
    Stim Morane: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you still have your wine paul :)
    Paul Namiboo: That's the great thing about virtual wine -- never empties, no hangovers!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: paul: so ur back from europe ?
    Paul Namiboo: I was just rying to get a colleague up on SL and the browser doesn't want to cooperate
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how was it ?
    Paul Namiboo: Europe was wonderful but very tiring -- time shift
    Paul Namiboo: plus huge response to a project Doug and i are working on
    Bleu Oleander: Sorry RL calls, excuse me please .....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye blue
    doug Sosa: so i went to sleep.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how do you guys want to enforce the sustainability project further ?
    doug Sosa: enforce? hmm. now here is an idea.
    Paul Namiboo: We're trying to get people to discuss the issues on SL
    doug Sosa: Its like the old campaign: each one teach one.. (two is better).
    Stim Morane: hi Mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Stim
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick
    Qt Core: hi Mick
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but what is the purpose on bringing people to talk more about sustainibility? how do you think that people are forgetting about concrete problems and are going to act with more environmental carefulness ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey mick
    Paul Namiboo: Hi Mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Yaku, Qt Scath, Doug,Paul
    Paul Namiboo: The whole idea is to talk about how human behavior can be changed -- something often discussed in PaB
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right, so it´s about education
    Mickorod Renard: I get the feeling that until the population as a whole see that the richer people give up some of thier extravagances they may get the idea that they are again taking the hit
    Mickorod Renard: I already cut back on using up resources because I cant afford them
    Paul Namiboo: couldn't agree more Mick
    Paul Namiboo: at least I can afford Pila's 45 Mounton!
    Mickorod Renard: I see charges going up all the time in the name of environmental reasons,,yet the only people they hit are those who cannot afford it anyway
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good evening ara
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Ara
    doug Sosa: How things happen.. getting to sustainability. one way or the other..
    doug Sosa: old chinese saying..
    Stim Morane: hi arabella
    doug Sosa: everything has two handles...
    Qt Core: hi ara
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Ara
    doug Sosa: beware of the wrong one!
    Paul Namiboo: Hi Ara
    doug Sosa: :)
    Mickorod Renard: she is having crash problems
    doug Sosa: The way we say hi to a newcomer is actually quite funny, like the chorus of a poem.
    Mickorod Renard: which is the right one,,and which one is the one that isnt ripping off everyone?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: maybe sustainability should just be enforced through economic insentives, but how to prefent imports from country´s that don´t fullfill our standards
    Mickorod Renard: the reason we are receiving so many imports is because multinationals are using cheap imports because they make a bigger profit margin,,,at our expense and the environments
    Paul Namiboo: Students call -- sorry and bye for now.
    Mickorod Renard: bye Paul
    Stim Morane: Bye
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye paul
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Paul
    Qt Core: bye
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have to admit i bought stuff in china myself a few weeks ago
    Mickorod Renard: I have too..he he
    Yakuzza Lethecus: including shipping the price was unbeatable
    Yakuzza Lethecus: obviously by airmail
    Scathach Rhiadra: wb Ara:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb ara
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or fruits that are imported to europe from newzealand
    arabella Ella: hiya
    arabella Ella: three crashes tonite :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how to increase fee´s and taxes on energyconsumption during transport
    Stim Morane: Is it a SL problem, or something wrong with your internet access or computer, ara?
    arabella Ella: not sure if you can get my chat
    Scathach Rhiadra: got that line
    Stim Morane: yes
    Mickorod Renard: of all modes of transport I would have thought sail ships would have been the easiest and enviromentally favourable of them all
    arabella Ella: apologies seems my chat is not getting through either
    Stim Morane: I am receiving it, ara
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,me too
    Scathach Rhiadra: me too
    arabella Ella: that's weird as i am not :)
    arabella Ella: oh
    Stim Morane: Sounds like system lag
    Mickorod Renard: what happened to Doug?
    Stim Morane: He disappeared a while back
    Mickorod Renard: hope I didnt scare him off..with my revolutionary statements
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Stim Morane: No, Mick, I'm sure that wasn't a factor.
    Mickorod Renard: I remember when I was a kid that one parents income was enough to buy a house and feed a family
    Mickorod Renard: but now it seems that we have fallen into a trap
    Mickorod Renard: consumerism enticements
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but by that time not everyone got is own car, and it was expected to get a new one all 7 years
    Yakuzza Lethecus: today consumption is expected and not every child had is own room
    Yakuzza Lethecus: back in the time when my parants grew up
    Mickorod Renard: yes, this is true Yaku, and I guess sharing rooms was more environmentally efficients too
    Stim Morane: hi again, arabella
    arabella Ella: hiya
    Stim Morane: :)
    arabella Ella: still struggling tonite
    arabella Ella: :)
    Mickorod Renard: Stim, do you live in a modest style so as to reduce complications of them?
    Mickorod Renard: of possessions
    Stim Morane: well i have the advantage of being poor ...
    Stim Morane: :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Stim Morane: And living in the Bay Area, I almost never drive a car
    Stim Morane: It's so easy to walk
    Mickorod Renard: nice
    Stim Morane: All my money gets spent on restaurants
    Mickorod Renard: I often wonder ..because many budhist monks etc do live frugally
    Stim Morane: Well, they simply don't have money
    Stim Morane: It's different from being poor
    Stim Morane: :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stim: but haven´t you got 4 telephones and 3 computers accorind to a quote in one of ur recordings ? .D
    Mickorod Renard: but I guess not having money and having that lifestyle uncomplicates life for them?
    Stim Morane: well ... I NEED them!
    Stim Morane: :)
    Mickorod Renard: ;)
    Stim Morane: At this point, only 1 of my computers can handle sl
    Stim Morane: and the phones are for special types of classes (remote conferencing)
    Stim Morane: yes, Mick, monks are supposed to concentrate on other things than our consumer society.
    Stim Morane: but then, so should we all, I suppose
    Yakuzza Lethecus: consuming is fine, i guess it depends on ,,how we consume"
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I often wonder whether the full transformation to inner peace is possible when still connected to the consumer world
    Stim Morane: well ... shopping is fun!
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Stim Morane: but we seem to have gone a bit far
    Mickorod Renard: until the credit card bill arrives
    Stim Morane: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, no shopping is not fun
    Stim Morane: no?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you need something you buy it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but shopping is fun ?
    Stim Morane: fun, yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is shopping to need ?
    Stim Morane: my wife loves shopping, and i love to be with her, so shopping is fun.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: shopping is happyness through the action of buying
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe :)
    Qt Core: if possible abolishing credit cards would be interesting (leaving only the one directly linked to your bank account is ok)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good point
    Mickorod Renard: thats nice Stim
    arabella Ella: depends what type of shopping ... some shopping could be boring too
    Stim Morane: true, arabella
    Stim Morane: this is another reason to step out a bit from the usual consumer madness
    Stim Morane: anyway, gotta go!
    Stim Morane: bye, everyone!
    Mickorod Renard: bye Stim
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye stim
    Scathach Rhiadra: good night Stim!
    arabella Ella: bye Stim
    Stim Morane: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and good night everyone
    Mickorod Renard: nite Yaku
    arabella Ella: nite Yaku
    Scathach Rhiadra: good night Yakuzza
    Mickorod Renard: well,,interesting thoughts
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I like shopping too
    Scathach Rhiadra: I must go too, good night all:)
    arabella Ella: do you enjoy all types of shopping Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: nite Scath
    arabella Ella: i hate shopping in huge supermarkets
    arabella Ella: nite Scath
    Qt Core: i hate shopping, both rl and sl
    arabella Ella: he he
    Mickorod Renard: well,,I dont like looking endlessly for something that never looks right or fits right
    Mickorod Renard: which was often what I was expected to observe
    arabella Ella: and i hate walking for miles in a food supermarket just to look for something when the stuff is moved around
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: i prefer small grocery shops where you get the basics and know where stuff is located
    Qt Core: better yet, different shop from the same group different disposition
    arabella Ella: yes
    Mickorod Renard: I dislike having to get things for formal occasions, when I know I dont want them or will never need them again
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: and me ... the shops here are so small ... clothes shops ... very little choice ... it is the opposite situation to food stores
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Qt Core: the only thing in common two shop from the same group i use is a very cold air conditioning
    arabella Ella: oh i hate that too
    arabella Ella: the cold aircon
    Mickorod Renard: yes..thats nice sometimes,,but other times it makes me feel ill,,and some overhead lighting too
    Qt Core: always around 16C all year long... lovely in summer when there is 35 outside...
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    arabella Ella: ouch sounds horrible summer or winter
    arabella Ella: give me 30 degrees any time
    Qt Core: i hoped the crisis would make them a little more wise
    Mickorod Renard: I often get the 3rd degree
    arabella Ella: yes ... it is so silly of them not to save some energy
    arabella Ella: the 3rd degree?
    Mickorod Renard: brit humour
    arabella Ella: no brits here only you :)
    Mickorod Renard: its used to describe when you get questioned alot,,over ambarrasing issues
    Qt Core: it is the same in italian "terzo grado"
    Mickorod Renard: yeaa
    arabella Ella: ah
    arabella Ella: maybe i am not so much into interrogations
    arabella Ella: more of a male thing
    Qt Core: but it does not have anything in common with the ay you say 30 ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: ;)
    Mickorod Renard: are you recieving star trek issues on your tv still Qt?
    Mickorod Renard: and do you know if there may be a new one soon?
    Mickorod Renard: if ever?
    Mickorod Renard: I have watched them all..and even enjoyed enterprise too
    arabella Ella: oh yes there is an old star trek series on italian TV at the moment
    arabella Ella: but cant remember which station
    Mickorod Renard: great,,I still get some,,like voyager and next generation on one cable channel
    Mickorod Renard: you have never seen doctor who have you Ara?
    Mickorod Renard: doctor who
    arabella Ella: i dont think i have
    Qt Core: TOS on la7
    arabella Ella: maybe as a child not sure
    arabella Ella: the old one with daleks?
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    arabella Ella: oh yes Qt we get your TV here
    arabella Ella: we could watch the same program now
    arabella Ella: i enjoy the italian documentaries
    arabella Ella: voyager
    arabella Ella: misteri
    arabella Ella: etc
    Mickorod Renard: is the misteri ,,about things like the templars?
    arabella Ella: yes but not only also UFOs or conspiracies etc
    arabella Ella: or politcs
    Qt Core: i grow up with Quark by Piero Angela... i know everything about penguins and galapagos turtlke (it was the preferred subject in late '70 first '80)
    Mickorod Renard: wow
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: i dont tend to watch the ones on animals
    arabella Ella: i prefer archaeology
    Mickorod Renard: I saw a new event arriving today
    arabella Ella: and history
    Qt Core: then you would love Angela Jr.
    arabella Ella: what is that then?
    arabella Ella: oh yes
    arabella Ella: the son
    arabella Ella: of pietro angela
    Qt Core: he host Ulisse
    arabella Ella: yes i enjoy that a lot
    arabella Ella: when you said Angela i thought you referred to a female
    arabella Ella: :P)
    Qt Core: ;-)
    arabella Ella: yesterday on italian TV news they got a bit about a new virtual Rome in the time of the Romans which will be sent to Japan as publicity
    arabella Ella: a virtual DVD from what i understood
    arabella Ella: virtual world DVD i mean
    arabella Ella: you said you saw a new event Mick?
    Qt Core: interesting, never heard about that, Angela Jr wrote a book about spending a day in ancient Rome
    Qt Core: almost as you were a tourist
    arabella Ella: how interesting
    Mickorod Renard: have you seen that there is going to be a law enquiry
    arabella Ella: last summer i spent a three day vacation in rome again and really enjoyed seeing all the ruins again
    arabella Ella: a law enquiry?
    arabella Ella: Hiya Shyama
    Qt Core: Hi Shyama
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Shy
    Qt Core: brb
    Mickorod Renard: ya..whats that french politition?
    Mickorod Renard: sarchosi?
    arabella Ella: an enquiry into Sarkosi?
    Mickorod Renard: and the previous gut..villipan
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,gotta go guys
    arabella Ella: bye Mick
    Shyama Sheryffe: bye Mick
    arabella Ella: i gotta go too
    arabella Ella: bye Shyama and Qt
    Mickorod Renard: bye Shy,,bye Qt
    Shyama Sheryffe: bye..i will go too--waves...

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