2009.09.24 19:00 - Lives

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pila Mulligan. The comments are by Pila Mulligan.

        Pila Mulligan: hi Doug
        doug Sosa: hi Pila.
        Pila Mulligan: how are you?
        doug Sosa: ok. a bit tired. up at 4 am speech at 8 then the drive home, two hours in the gardem, reading some difficult stuff, and some web work..
        doug Sosa: self?
        Pila Mulligan: lucky you, garden time -- I've been unusually busy with work (although I keep thinking I've retired)
        Pila Mulligan: imagining perhaps, retired
        doug Sosa: pila, what work do you do?
        Pila Mulligan: I am a freelance paralegal -- I do research and writing for lawyers
        Pila Mulligan: started in 1968
        doug Sosa: ah, well that can be interesting. law is key to society. Hav you had any contact
        doug Sosa: with what is called
        Pila Mulligan: you'd think they'd let you out to pasture after 40 years :)
        doug Sosa: the law and literature folks?
        Pila Mulligan: not sure .. more details?
        doug Sosa: If you google law and lit i think you will find a journal and a few books at least, been a ew year since i looked at it.
        doug Sosa: Gives dignity to the work.
        doug Sosa: Course you can walk out if you want, no?
        Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_literature
        Pila Mulligan: me, yes, but for the income -- I am not licensed and have no ongoing obligations
        doug Sosa: you're quick
        Pila Mulligan: I can walk :)
        Pila Mulligan: 1st part of the job: research :)
        doug Sosa: interesting questions?
        Pila Mulligan: "the intellectual history of law -- first, the growing doubt about whether law in isolation is a source of value and meaning, or whether it must be plugged into a large cultural or philosophical or social-science context to give it value and meaning; and, second, the growing focus on the mutability of meaning in all texts, whether literary or legal."
        Pila Mulligan: I like the premises
        doug Sosa: I've been hit hard by legal stuff twice.
        Pila Mulligan: sometimes the cases I work on are interesting
        Pila Mulligan: some are just the usual cat fights
        doug Sosa: you mean the building or the underlying ideas?
        Pila Mulligan: the underlying ideas
        doug Sosa: good stuff
        Pila Mulligan: people can get hit hard by legal stuff
        Pila Mulligan: it can be devastating
        doug Sosa: yes. very tricky divorces.
        Pila Mulligan: ah, nasty cases
        doug Sosa: someday maybe we can explore it.
        Pila Mulligan: my favroite are land cases
        Pila Mulligan: titles, boundaries, etc
        doug Sosa: Been thinking about land. Talked with an aid to the SF mayor about it today. lots of homeless, can we find a new way to homestead.?
        Pila Mulligan: do I remember correctly that your area of expertise is related to psychology?
        doug Sosa: yes. psychoanalyst.. eric fromm more or less.
        Pila Mulligan: there are overlaps between law and psychology
        Pila Mulligan: as you have no doubt seen
        doug Sosa: yes. in psychology nearly everyone is more innocent :)
        doug Sosa: What is the overlap you see?
        Pila Mulligan: well, lawyers do a lot of drama, and the understanding of human nautre is essential to their success
        Pila Mulligan: technically, sanity as an element of law is also an issue
        doug Sosa: ah, rhetoric and narrative.
        Pila Mulligan: yes and competence
        doug Sosa: now there is an assumption. meaning?
        Pila Mulligan: well, I am chuckling here, actually
        Pila Mulligan: a lot of popele question the sanity and competence of lawyers
        doug Sosa: Sanity is very slippery from a psychological point of view.
        Pila Mulligan: but I was referring to criminal and social competence as a legal term
        doug Sosa: ah, that kind of competence. The kind that assumes there is a real person intact..
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Pila Mulligan: and you guys tell the judge how intact
        Pila Mulligan: as experts
        Pila Mulligan: intact enough or not, at least
        doug Sosa: i never agreed to be called as a witness. Just too unfair.
        Pila Mulligan: it is a risky effort, i wouldn't do it either, if I was competent to do so
        Pila Mulligan: uesually the adversarial part overcomes the objectivity
        doug Sosa: what seems to be happening here in the sessions? I come to many more that NB shows up for.
        Pila Mulligan: maybe the summer vacatiosn -- now that autumn has begun it may pick up again
        Pila Mulligan: not sure, actually
        doug Sosa: i am a bit saddened by it.
        Pila Mulligan: your place looks really nice by the way, Doug
        doug Sosa: Well, i got the columns, then found the same house you started with. Storm had to help
        Pila Mulligan: fun, isn;t it
        doug Sosa: me resize it. But then i can't open the door, and i want to change the color to white carrara stone.
        doug Sosa: it is fun. could be quite compelling.
        Pila Mulligan: I actually tried building a structure from scratch yesterday -- it was half okay
        Pila Mulligan: I worry about the compelling part :)
        doug Sosa: Still there?
        Pila Mulligan: it is in another virtual world, opensim
        doug Sosa: oops, what oh what is open sim?
        Pila Mulligan: opensim is the phenomenon created by Linden when they released their operating system for SL to open source
        Pila Mulligan: people are setting up their own grids
        Pila Mulligan: outside of SL, looks like SL, but is private
        Pila Mulligan: like Threedee, he has been doing it for a while
        doug Sosa: is that going to affect us here, should it?
        Pila Mulligan: I think some people will leave here here for opensim
        doug Sosa: should i be concerned, interested?
        Pila Mulligan: hi Eos
        Pila Mulligan: interested more than concerned I'd say
        doug Sosa: :)
        Eos Amaterasu: HI doug, Pila
        Pila Mulligan: have you seen open sim Eos
        Eos Amaterasu: No, been meanin' to
        Pila Mulligan: the SL alternative?
        Pila Mulligan: want to try now?
        doug Sosa: sure.
        Pila Mulligan: first, do you use Windows or Mac
        doug Sosa: windows
        Pila Mulligan: ahh, I do not know how to do it on MAc
        Pila Mulligan: windows we can do
        Eos Amaterasu: can you use the same client?
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Pila Mulligan: SL works both places
        Pila Mulligan: http://www.osgrid.org/elgg/account/register.php
        Pila Mulligan: 1. register your avi name
        Pila Mulligan: it can be anything
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        doug Sosa: trying the reg now.
        Pila Mulligan: first name in the top box, last name it the second box
        doug Sosa: ok
        Pila Mulligan: their form is a little obscure
        doug Sosa: yep, gotta retry
        Pila Mulligan: ok
        Eos Amaterasu: Downloading Hippo 0.5.2 OpenSim viewer
        Pila Mulligan: oh, ok -- I have not used it yet :)
        Pila Mulligan: I've just used the SL viewer
        Pila Mulligan: please tell me how it works for you, Eos, I may try it too
        Pila Mulligan: they let you register one avi per email address
        Eos Amaterasu: Frig - just like the van Morrison song: "to be born again, in another space, in another place"
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        doug Sosa: I need to go, and i will try this later tonight. anything else i need to know?
        Eos Amaterasu: Just logged in with Hippo....
        Pila Mulligan: cool
        Pila Mulligan: how is it
        Eos Amaterasu: Lot like SL
        Pila Mulligan: yes
        Eos Amaterasu: I've re-incarnated!
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Eos Amaterasu: Can you bring in your SL avatar?
        Pila Mulligan: it is tricky, but it can be done --easier to rebuild though
        Eos Amaterasu finds that he is himself in name only
        Pila Mulligan: yes, you may need to create body parts
        Pila Mulligan: in inventory
        doug Sosa: so back to registration..
        Eos Amaterasu: Somebody claiming to be Pila Mulligan has offered friendship on OpenSim
        doug Sosa: when it says account name and surname, what goes in these boxes?
        Pila Mulligan: your avi's first name is the Account name
        Pila Mulligan: Surname is your avi's seocnd name
        Eos Amaterasu: The wording is confusing
        Pila Mulligan: Sosa = Surname
        Eos Amaterasu: Pila in OPen Sim looks like Pila in SL
        Pila Mulligan: :)
        Pila Mulligan: so can Eos with just a few minutes of work -- look like Eos,that is
        doug Sosa: opops, worked!
        Pila Mulligan: cool
        Pila Mulligan: Eos downloadied the Hippo OpenSim viewer
        Pila Mulligan: you can do that too, Doug (I have not tired it) or you can use SL's viewer
        Eos Amaterasu: I'm on Mac, btw
        Pila Mulligan: oh, ok
        Pila Mulligan: it seems to be working alrght
        doug Sosa: yep, lower case, now downloading hippo 5.1
        Pila Mulligan: ok, you guys are ahead of me then :)
        doug Sosa: but gotta go. thanks for the nudge over.. :)
        Pila Mulligan: ok, sometime we'll try it doug
        doug Sosa: bye
        Pila Mulligan: bye Doug
        Pila Mulligan: see you next time
        Eos Amaterasu: How can you be in two sims at once when you're not anywhere at all?
        Eos Amaterasu: (Firesign Theater)
        Pila Mulligan: good question
        Pila Mulligan: imagination maybe :)
        [Eos said he had to go on the opensim side of oour chat]
        Pila Mulligan: bye Eos
        Pila Mulligan: see you next time :)

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