2009.09.28 13:00 - Openness

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    Wol Euler was guardian for this session, in the apparent absence of the regularly scheduled GoC.



    stevenaia Michinaga: strange about my log last night, spookie, looking for my words to edit and nothing was there

    Wol Euler: yeah, I've never heard of that happening, though it's clear that it could easily. All it would take is for the Master not to rezz a Listener for you, or for it to die.

    Wol Euler: question is, why would htat happen?

    stevenaia Michinaga: but it knew I claimed it

    Wol Euler: mmhmm, bu thte Master (the bit that does the claiming and notifying) doesn't actually record anything.

    Wol Euler: it just manages the recorders (plural, one each)

    stevenaia Michinaga: scratches head..ofcourse

    Wol Euler: now, that might well happen if more than 16people were present, the scanner routines break down in crowds. But that's not thte case, you were a half-dozen at most

    stevenaia Michinaga: nods

    Wol Euler: I'll have a look at it tonight.

    stevenaia Michinaga: but you say I might have broke it?

    Wol Euler: no.

    Wol Euler: we both have listners right now, for example

    Wol Euler: I suppose you might have detached it accidentally... hard to do with an invisible object, but not impossible

    Wol Euler: anyway, we shall see :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: well hoping it works

    Wol Euler: :)

    Wol Euler: hello scath

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Wol, Steve:)

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Scath


    Pila Mulligan: greetings

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Pila

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pila, Agatha

    Wol Euler: hello agatha, pila

    Pila Mulligan: hi Agatha

    Agatha Macbeth: evening all

    Pila Mulligan: hi Pema

    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!

    Wol Euler: hello pema, nice to see you again

    Agatha Macbeth: hello

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema

    Pema Pera: great to see such crowds time and again, the last few days!

    Pila Mulligan: hi Gaya

    Agatha Macbeth: You'll need more cushions soon

    Pema Pera: :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Gaya

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello :)

    Wol Euler: gayabunny!

    Gaya Ethaniel: Fingers crossed ... no lags for me tonight.

    Wol Euler grins

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Pila Mulligan: hi Hana and Eliza

    Wol Euler: hello hana, eliza

    stevenaia Michinaga: 7 pm' rarely get this busy

    Hana Furlough: hi everyone

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Hana, Eliza

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Hana! :)

    Agatha Macbeth: hi

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steven, Pema, Wol, Agatha, Pila, Scath, Gaya

    Eliza Madrigal: wow :)

    Wol Euler: ((damn, lamp just blew out. have to arrange lighting. brb))

    Gaya Ethaniel: ok :)

    Agatha Macbeth: You shouldn't use candles Wol

    Pema Pera: :-)

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Pema Pera: Hi Tarmel and Zen!

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Tarmel:)

    Agatha Macbeth: Hi

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Zen

    Gaya Ethaniel: yay Tarmel, wb :)

    Tarmel Udimo: Hi everyone, it has been ages...

    Zen Arado: Hi Pema, Scathach

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Zen :)

    Zen Arado: everyone

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tarmel, Zen :)

    Pila Mulligan: hi Tarmel and Zen

    Pila Mulligan: welcome back Tarmel

    Eliza Madrigal: yes it has been forever Tarmel, all well?

    Tarmel Udimo: So.... what's been happening:)

    Hana Furlough: hi tarmel and zen

    Pema Pera: Wow, large group! -- isn't Stim the guardian on call today?

    Zen Arado: Hi Hana

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi everyone !!

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi SophiaSharon :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Soph

    Tarmel Udimo: Like your new title Pema!

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sophiaSharon

    Hana Furlough: hi sophias

    Pema Pera: :)

    Tarmel Udimo: and Hana

    Zen Arado: Hi Sophia

    Scathach Rhiadra: I like Wol's title:)

    Pema Pera: Hana is visiting me in RL, in Princeton, for a few months in fact -- taking over the chair that Fefonz occupied last year, literally

    Tarmel Udimo: yes most appropriate Wol

    Pila Mulligan: Hi sophiaSharon

    Agatha Macbeth: I thought it said 'Pub Manager' at first

    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    Hana Furlough: it's a very lovely chair

    Gaya Ethaniel giggles.

    Pema Pera: hehehe

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Tarmel Udimo: Lucky Hana:)

    Hana Furlough: yes hana is very grateful

    Pema Pera: our Pabs are open every night, Agatha

    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, thank you

    Pila Mulligan: hi arabella

    arabella Ella: Hiya everyone

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi arabella

    Hana Furlough: hi ara

    Zen Arado: Hi Arabella

    Eliza Madrigal: Hiya Arabella :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ara

    Scathach Rhiadra: hello Ara

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello arabella and SophiaSharon :)

    Tarmel Udimo: Hi

    Tarmel Udimo: So no Steve today?

    Pema Pera: seems that way

    Pila Mulligan: Stim?

    Tarmel Udimo: yes

    Pema Pera: yes

    Pila Mulligan: he's on his way, I bet

    stevenaia Michinaga: not me I hope

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Pema Pera: hehehe

    Tarmel Udimo: heehe

    Agatha Macbeth: :}

    Pema Pera: what's your view of reality, Steve?

    Pema Pera: (any volunteer to take the chat log?)

    Wol Euler comes back to life with a triumphant whisper of "fiat lux"

    Tarmel Udimo: Sure, I've been away so its my turn I am sure

    Pema Pera: thanks, Tarmel!

    Tarmel Udimo: wb WOL

    Pila Mulligan: aha

    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    Tarmel Udimo: aha

    Pila Mulligan: hi Stim

    Wol Euler: ty, tarmel, the same to you!

    Tarmel Udimo: tks

    Pema Pera: Hi Stim!


    Wol Euler: hello zen, sophia, stim, ara

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stim :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Stim :)

    Stim Morane: Hi everyone

    Zen Arado: hello Wol, Stim

    Tarmel Udimo: Hi Stim

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Stim

    Hana Furlough: hi stim, hi wol

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Stim

    Agatha Macbeth: Howdy

    arabella Ella: Hiya Wol Stim

    Pila Mulligan: [13:13] Pema Pera: what's your view of reality, Steve?

    Pila Mulligan: closest thing yet to a topic :)

    Pema Pera: Nice to meet you here again Stim, now that I am back in the US and able to attend these afternoon sessions

    Tarmel Udimo: while its lovely to sit in silence with so many Pabers it seems a shame not share and talk:)

    Wol Euler: so tell us.

    Pema Pera: hah, but Steve hasn't answered yet (Stevenaia)

    Zen Arado: the oak tree in the garden ? :)

    Tarmel Udimo: true enough - SL timing

    Wol Euler: (true, sorry. please continue)

    Pema Pera: well, Tarmel, you've been traveling -- anything you'd like to share?

    stevenaia Michinaga: was scrambling for a link to one of Stim's lectures calsses I was begining to listen to on ethics

    Tarmel Udimo: happy to let Steve lead

    stevenaia Michinaga: seems timely

    stevenaia Michinaga: please Tarmel

    Pema Pera: :)

    Tarmel Udimo: the old throw the ball routine eh:)

    Tarmel Udimo: well the retreat was awazing:)

    Tarmel Udimo: awazing and amazing

    Eliza Madrigal grins

    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Flag down on the play

    arabella Ella: :)

    Stim Morane: :)

    Tarmel Udimo: I'm not sure what happened but I would advise anyone thinking of joining the next to do so

    Agatha Macbeth: IT'S ROVER!

    Wol Euler giggles

    Agatha Macbeth: Where's number 6?

    Agatha Macbeth: RIP Pat

    Wol Euler: what was your favourite bit, tarmel?

    Tarmel Udimo: apart from the food??? no seriously the exercises, the chats the group energy, the place Being with Pema and Stim...

    Zen Arado: not a silent retreat?

    Tarmel Udimo: no, silent during the exercises or you could call them meditations on BEING

    Wol Euler: and a silent *day*. how was that?

    Pila Mulligan: hi Mick

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Mickorod

    Wol Euler: hello mick

    Agatha Macbeth: Yo Mick

    arabella Ella: hiya Mick

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Mick :)

    Wol Euler: outer ring for latecomers, mick :)

    Zen Arado: Hi Mick

    Tarmel Udimo: oh tks MICK, sitting on people, good entry

    Stim Morane: Hi Mick

    Tarmel Udimo: :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick

    Mickorod Renard: hiya

    Wol Euler: hello bert

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bertram

    Mickorod Renard: he he

    Pila Mulligan: hi Bertram

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bertram! :) Wow, may get to use those extra cushions yet

    Wol Euler wonders whether this is a new record.

    arabella Ella: hiya bert

    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    Pema Pera: we often had an exercise/exploration for just ten minutes or so, and then we talked about what we experience and our reflections upon that for half an hour or longer

    Pema Pera: it may be: 17 avatars?

    Agatha Macbeth: Guten Abend Bert

    SophiaSharon Larnia: (gaurdian take a picture?) :)

    Bertram Jacobus: hello all - whaow

    Tarmel Udimo: the silent day was different it lacked the usual tension I feel on silent retreats

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bertram :)

    Wol Euler: doing taht right now :)

    Hana Furlough: hi bert

    Bertram Jacobus: something special today ? oris it by chance that so many are here ? ... :-)

    Zen Arado: what kind of things did you explore?

    Wol Euler: no such thing as "chance", Bert :)

    Zen Arado: Pema?

    Bertram Jacobus: nice :-)

    Hana Furlough: well-said, wol


    Pema Pera: various directions, Zen

    Pema Pera: starting with an old favorite, Appreciating the Presence of Appearance; also watching thoughts arising, and several other spontaneous ones; if you look at the chat logs of the last few days of August and the first few days of September, you'll see lots of more specific discussions.

    Zen Arado: ok good

    Zen Arado: so it was rewarding?

    Zen Arado: rather than just zazen?

    Pema Pera: it was very far from zazen, Zen :-)

    Pema Pera: and yes, very rewarding for all twelve of us, judging from the reactions

    Zen Arado: watching thoughts arising sounds like zazen :)

    Tarmel Udimo: eah was able to take from the day at whatever level they were at and bring about change

    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, time to finish my day elsewhere, the sun begins to set here

    Tarmel Udimo: of course speaking in RL is very different to the limitations of SL chat

    Wol Euler: 'night steve, take care

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Steven :)

    Mickorod Renard: bye steve

    Tarmel Udimo: bye Steve

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Gaya brought up a very interesting question this morning, about what openness is

    Stim Morane: bye Stevenaia

    Zen Arado: bye steve

    Hana Furlough: by steven -- enjoy the sunset~

    Agatha Macbeth: Seeya

    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye stevenaia :)

    Zen Arado: Yes Sophia?

    Tarmel Udimo: openness?

    Tarmel Udimo: the ability to resonate with any frequency

    Hana Furlough: i like that

    Eliza Madrigal: hm

    Zen Arado: not avoiding bad things or grasping the good?

    Zen Arado: as Pema Chodron says?

    Zen Arado: taking in other ppl's pain

    Zen Arado: rather than pushing it away as we normally do

    Zen Arado: ?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: the question was "What does 'being open' mean to you all? (had to find it on my comp) :)

    Tarmel Udimo: not sure if that helps the person - to take on their pain?

    Zen Arado: but it might help you to open your heart

    Bertram Jacobus: i like tarmels explanation and agree :-)

    Zen Arado: remove the protective armour we wear?

    Mickorod Renard: sometimes taking on peoples pain is shutting out ones own

    Zen Arado: yes but you take on your own too

    Mickorod Renard: couldnt bear that

    Zen Arado: ever heard of Tonglen practice?

    Bertram Jacobus: openness is like space ...

    Tarmel Udimo: I guess I just don't think you can take on someone else's pain, you can empathize

    Tarmel Udimo: in a healing situation yes..

    Bertram Jacobus: yes zen

    Zen Arado: but when you open it happens

    Zen Arado: apparently our capacity to take it expands

    Zen Arado: but I havent got very far with it

    Eliza Madrigal: Well the idea is that if you take on another's pain it cultivates a generous spirit... counteracts an impoverished mindset... the idea anyway

    Zen Arado: just wondered how it sounded to others

    Eliza Madrigal thinks it is a lovely practice and there are many variations it seems

    Zen Arado: we separate ourselves from others don't we?

    Wol Euler: hello boo, have a seat.

    Mickorod Renard: Hi boo

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Boo

    Boo: what are you doing?

    Hana Furlough: hi boo

    Pila Mulligan: chatting

    Boo: ah

    Agatha Macbeth: Hello

    Pema Pera: Hi Boo! We get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?

    Gaya Ethaniel: What does mean 'to open' anyway?

    arabella Ella: to remove walls, barriers

    Boo: i will go ahead. but thx for the invitation:)

    Bertram Jacobus: the contrary of to close gaya ... ;-)

    Zen Arado: not avoiding

    Zen Arado: shutting unpleasantness off


    Pila Mulligan: btw, September 28 (today), 551 B.C.E. is the traditionally observed birthday of Confucius (maybe this explains today's extraordinary attendance:)

    Wol Euler: well, that explains everyhting.

    Wol Euler: ooops

    Agatha Macbeth: Confucius was Libra then?

    SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting, Pila :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: open can be seeing all of it, not shutting out unpleasantness

    Agatha Macbeth: I didn't know that

    Tarmel Udimo: nice one Pila!

    Bertram Jacobus: hey bolonath ! :-)

    Hana Furlough: hi bolo

    Mickorod Renard: hi Bolon

    Eliza Madrigal: Openness is one of those words that conjurs a million pictures at once

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes!

    Mickorod Renard: some say I am too open

    Zen Arado: we have to even open to ourselves I guess

    Zen Arado: through meditation?

    Bertram Jacobus: throughmeditationand good actions - accumulating merit

    Zen Arado: beginner's mind - is that the same?

    Eliza Madrigal: Who says that Mick?

    Mickorod Renard: maybe those who like to be closed

    Wol Euler: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    arabella Ella: openness involves honesty too to some extent

    Eliza Madrigal: yes

    Mickorod Renard: its funny, I am at the moment trying to look at everything as positive,,and thats at risk of turning away from some less attractive things

    Zen Arado: yes falseness means evasion sometimes?

    Mickorod Renard: a funny balance

    Wol Euler: how do you mean, mick? I thought it would be the other way around.

    arabella Ella: i meant honesty in the sense of acknowledging what one comes face to face with when one opens oneself up to Being

    Zen Arado: facing reality

    Zen Arado: not delusions

    Bolonath Crystal: namaste @ all

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Arabella, that is a key there :))

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bolonath

    Mickorod Renard: well, I think if you want to acknowledge some negative issues its hard to look at everything in a positive way

    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bolonath

    Bertram Jacobus: namaste bolonath ... :-)

    Eliza Madrigal: maybe not imposing positivity onto things...

    Wol Euler: hello bolonath

    Agatha Macbeth: Salaam

    Zen Arado: so positivity can be a bit false then ?

    Mickorod Renard: yes, i think so

    Wol Euler: I'll give you an intro in IM so we don't disturb the others

    Mickorod Renard: yes please Wol

    Tarmel Udimo: the only openess we need to deal with is openess to Being, this will dissolve all those questions and unsureties

    arabella Ella: yes we have to accept reality for what it is ... expecting more or expecting otherwise only leads to disappointment ... so why not accept reality with openness

    Zen Arado: yes but we find it so hard to really open don't we?

    Zen Arado: prefer our illusions

    arabella Ella: some may find it easy, Zen, others more difficult

    Zen Arado: takes time ?

    Zen Arado: yes agree

    arabella Ella: different people open in different ways

    Hana Furlough: it is faster than you think

    arabella Ella: depends a lot on personality and experience

    Zen Arado: on your age?

    Mickorod Renard: I think if I was totally open people would think I had Tourette's syndrome..there will always be a need for constraint

    arabella Ella: not necessarily on age

    Zen Arado: lots more accumulations :)

    Pema Pera: on the relative level it takes a life time -- on the absolute level it doesn't take time at all

    Eliza Madrigal: hahahah Mick

    Eliza Madrigal: terrible

    Pema Pera: hehehe, Mick

    Wol Euler: :)

    Pema Pera: "open" can also be read as "natural" -- acting in whatever way the situation naturally invites you to do

    Zen Arado: opening inwards or outwards?

    Pema Pera: both

    Zen Arado: yes Pema

    Pema Pera: Hana and I were talking about that this afternoon during a RL walk in the woods in Princeton

    Zen Arado: never thought of outwards

    Wol Euler: cool :)

    Pema Pera: Hana, do you want to tell about some of your experiences recently?

    Eliza Madrigal listens

    Wol Euler nods encouragingly

    Hana Furlough: yes

    Mickorod Renard: does an expanding universe open outwards and inwards..just an interesting question?

    Zen Arado: listens

    Hana Furlough: it was a really nice walk

    Mickorod Renard: soory,,listening

    Gaya Ethaniel: How do you learn to act 'naturally' without acquiring another false habit?

    Hana Furlough: i think openness isn't what we think it is

    Hana Furlough: it's not just allowing or surrendering in the conventional sense

    Hana Furlough: it's an active and immediate response to what is going on

    Hana Furlough: meeting our darkest places with the strongest love we can muster

    Bolonath Crystal: to act according to any situation we have to be rather selfless, imho

    Eliza Madrigal: MM, beautiful Hana


    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm sorry I have to go, I wish I could stay, have a great discussion everyone :)

    Hana Furlough: thanks, eliza

    Zen Arado: bye Sophia

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye SophiaSharon :)

    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye SophiaSharon :)

    Hana Furlough: bye sophias~

    Bolonath Crystal: bye sophia

    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Soph

    Stim Morane: bye sophia

    Mickorod Renard: bye sophia

    Zen Arado: acting from intuition rather than thinking?

    Eliza Madrigal: So openness is active as well as receptive

    Hana Furlough: yes in a sense

    Hana Furlough: but more like acting with compassion not judgement

    arabella Ella: involving a sense of accepting

    Mickorod Renard: I think openness brings about a certain sensitivity

    Eliza Madrigal nods

    Hana Furlough: i agree

    Zen Arado: yes

    Zen Arado: thins the self protective armour

    Eliza Madrigal: or shatters it

    Zen Arado: that also shuts out compassion?

    Hana Furlough: the self-protective armour cannot resist, though, that is the good news

    Mickorod Renard: yes, although i struggled with being too sensitive..in real life everyday situations

    Pila Mulligan: we have ordinary ups and downs in cycles along a base line that is the mundane day to day stuff making up most of our life -- is it a helpful perspective to observe occasional increments in the satisfaction level at the base line rather than striving toward bliss at the peak

    Gaya Ethaniel: I think self disconnects ... anyhow, thank you for an interesting discussion. Time to go.

    Hana Furlough: what peak?

    arabella Ella: bye Gaya

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Gaya :)

    Hana Furlough: there is only here and now

    Wol Euler: bye gaya, take care

    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye :)

    Hana Furlough: bye gaya

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Gaya

    Mickorod Renard: bye Gaya

    Zen Arado: bye Gaya

    Bolonath Crystal: bye gaya

    Stim Morane: Bye Gaya

    Pema Pera: bye Gaya

    arabella Ella: interesting comment Pila ... could you elaborate please ... what is your opinion on that?

    Pila Mulligan also needs to be going -- bye for now

    Wol Euler: bliss and misery are equally unrepresentative outliers IMHO

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pila :)

    Wol Euler: bye pila

    Zen Arado: Bye Pila

    Pila Mulligan: (maybe later ara:)

    Tarmel Udimo: bye all

    Bolonath Crystal: cu pila

    Hana Furlough: bye pila~

    Scathach Rhiadra: good night all, nice to see you again Tarmel:)

    Hana Furlough: bye tarmel

    Eliza Madrigal: Night Scath :)

    Hana Furlough: bye scathach~

    Zen Arado: Bye Scath

    Pema Pera: bye Scathach!

    Wol Euler: bye tarmel, take care; night scath

    Mickorod Renard: bye tarmel

    Stim Morane: bye Scathach

    Pema Pera: bye Tarmel

    Mickorod Renard: nite scath

    Pema Pera: (/me quietly slips away too, have to catch my train -- good talking with y'all !)

    Hana Furlough: me too

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema :)

    Zen Arado: you too bye Pema

    Wol Euler: bye pema, enjoy the evening

    Hana Furlough: !

    Mickorod Renard: by Pema

    Tarmel Udimo: bye Pema

    Stim Morane: yes, I have to leave too. Bye everyone!

    Agatha Macbeth: So long dude

    Hana Furlough: have a great night

    Mickorod Renard: bye hANA

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Hana , Stim :)

    Wol Euler: bye stim, take care

    Zen Arado: ByeStim

    arabella Ella: bye Pema Hana Stim

    Mickorod Renard: BYE sTIM

    Bolonath Crystal: bye to all leaving

    Zen Arado: be hana

    Tarmel Udimo: bye Stim

    Stim Morane: bye everyone!

    Zen Arado: spend all our time saying helo and goodbye here:)

    Mickorod Renard: yea,,its hard work keeping up with the bye's

    Wol Euler: :)

    Tarmel Udimo: yes really noticed that now I've been away:)

    Eliza Madrigal: hello hello, don't know why you say goodbye...

    arabella Ella: we may need abbreviations ... perhaps the guardian could just say GB or Hi

    Eliza Madrigal: It is also striking today because such a large group

    Zen Arado: :)

    Bertram Jacobus: yes.that's why i idn't do it today zenenough alredy for myfeeling ... ;-)

    Eliza Madrigal: We could make "Hello" tags, and "Goodbye" tags

    Eliza Madrigal: hehhehe

    Mickorod Renard: maybe just the wave anim

    arabella Ella: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: "Assume I said Hello and Goodbye"

    Tarmel Udimo: sounds god

    Tarmel Udimo: well that too

    Bertram Jacobus: i say hi and bye when i feel, it isn't too much

    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe

    Eliza Madrigal: Actually, it is nice to be said hello and goodbye too...not sure that would be good to drop

    Tarmel Udimo: sorry folks I think I am due at the next event - nice to see you all

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Tarmel :) Nice to see you

    Wol Euler waves

    arabella Ella: nite Tarmel lovely to see you are back

    Zen Arado: Bye Tarmel

    Mickorod Renard: bye Tarme;

    Tarmel Udimo: nice to be here!

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    arabella Ella: :)

    Bolonath Crystal: doesn't say bye to prevend flooding ;)

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Bertram Jacobus: and i sy it when i feel that there are not enough friendly voices (what doesn't happen here -that's elsewere) ... :-)

    Zen Arado: what stops us being open?

    arabella Ella: inhibitions

    arabella Ella: fears

    Wol Euler: the usual, I'd guess: fear, habit

    Zen Arado: fears of what?

    arabella Ella: insincerity

    Bertram Jacobus: nothing ?

    Wol Euler: laziness

    Eliza Madrigal: nabits of fear

    Bolonath Crystal: i think, gaya hit it by saying "self disconnects"

    Agatha Macbeth: Defence/defense

    Eliza Madrigal: habits

    arabella Ella: fear of loss of esteem from others, fear of change

    Mickorod Renard: defence I think works

    Zen Arado: ego in other words?

    Bolonath Crystal: yes

    Mickorod Renard: yes

    Mickorod Renard: ego too

    arabella Ella: ego for some ... not all cases

    Eliza Madrigal: PaB cultivates a kind of openness... why we come here I think

    arabella Ella: perhaps lack of self worth or lack of self esteem for some

    Bolonath Crystal: ego disconnects from reality


    arabella Ella: nite everyone must go now

    Wol Euler: bye ara, take care

    Eliza Madrigal: Nite Ara :) Mick :)

    Wol Euler: and bye mick

    Mickorod Renard: I must go too,,thanks for tonite

    Agatha Macbeth: Auf wiedersehen

    Zen Arado: we need some defences ...or do we?

    Bertram Jacobus: .-))

    Mickorod Renard: shouldnt need defences

    Zen Arado: bye Wol, Mick

    Eliza Madrigal: I think one of the biggest obstacles to openness might be thinking we are open

    Wol Euler: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: we just don't know we're carrying things sometimes til they drop

    Mickorod Renard: maybe ur right eliza

    Zen Arado: yes

    Agatha Macbeth: It's all about not getting hurt i think

    Zen Arado: yes we get hurt

    Zen Arado: is that bad?

    Agatha Macbeth: Depends whether we learn from it

    Zen Arado: maybe if we open to it it is better?

    Bolonath Crystal: it is the ego which gets hurt. the "real self" doesn't

    Eliza Madrigal: hm

    Wol Euler shrugs. Wishing to avoid pain seems natural and normal to me...

    Zen Arado: it is dragons in the cupboard somwtimes?

    Agatha Macbeth: lol Wol

    Zen Arado: fears magnify

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Eliza Madrigal: Zen you mentioned Pema Chodron earlier... she talks about opennes as a kind of constant, unrequited love

    Bolonath Crystal: pain can be a good teacher... should we always try to avoid it? or can we even use it somehow?

    Zen Arado: yes?

    Zen Arado: I was reading here Lojong teachings

    Zen Arado: don't remember that expression though Eliza

    Zen Arado: sounds good though

    Zen Arado: or true rather than good :)

    Bertram Jacobus: pain ... i had enoughf it inthe last times ... butif onecan bear it - good. and milarepa said : even pain is joy for me ...

    Zen Arado: I have heardthat advanced buddhist practtiioners welcome suffering

    Zen Arado: it shows them what they need to work on

    Wol Euler: sure, but they probably don't go looking for it :)

    Bolonath Crystal: well, sometimes it is unavoidable. at least then we could try to make something of it

    Agatha Macbeth: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: well I've been advised to deal with the difficult people in my life as my greatest teachers...hehe

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Zen Arado: yes ..sounds masochistic :)

    Eliza Madrigal: yes many of these things do at first don't they

    Agatha Macbeth: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: hehe

    Zen Arado: how do we know what we can bear?

    Zen Arado: we can surprise ourselves

    Agatha Macbeth: I hurt therefore I am

    Zen Arado: :)

    Bolonath Crystal: we know it, when we are still alive, zen

    Bertram Jacobus: at least when we break together we know we couldn´t zen

    Zen Arado: mental torture is the worst though?

    Agatha Macbeth: No, emotional

    Wol Euler: I don't know, and hope never to find out.

    Eliza Madrigal nods

    Zen Arado: and we often provide ourselves with that :)

    Bertram Jacobus: both can be heavy : mental and physical pain

    Eliza Madrigal: it doesn't really help anything to know... so if I have a situation and I think "I can't handle this" well what do I do... I still have it

    Bertram Jacobus: but i wish happyness for all beings

    Zen Arado: yes and for ourselves

    Bertram Jacobus: iam a being

    Agatha Macbeth: There's no way everybody can be happy

    Zen Arado: may all beings be happy

    Bertram Jacobus: it's a wish agatha

    Bertram Jacobus: a good one

    Agatha Macbeth: I sse Bert, thanx

    Bertram Jacobus: anice thought

    Agatha Macbeth: see

    Bertram Jacobus: :-))

    Agatha Macbeth: Enschuldigen Sie mich

    Zen Arado: I better go

    Zen Arado: thanks for discussion

    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Zen

    Bertram Jacobus: no reasonfoexcuse atall! :-)

    Agatha Macbeth: Bye zen

    Bolonath Crystal: bye zen

    Bertram Jacobus: can't sse one :-)

    Wol Euler: bye zen

    Bertram Jacobus: bye zen ... :-)

    Agatha Macbeth: :)

    Eliza Madrigal notices she never saved her pic from earlier...

    Agatha Macbeth: SILLY!

    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Wol Euler: ah :)

    Eliza Madrigal: It is nice to see PaB that full... should have snapped the ball floating :)

    Wol Euler: I got one, and will post it on the log

    Agatha Macbeth: Ah what Wol

    Eliza Madrigal: Nice, thanks Wol

    Wol Euler: I took a screenshot of the full circle, looking down on us

    Eliza Madrigal: ooh, love those shots

    Eliza Madrigal: speaking of avoiding pain, I need to get my son back on task with his homework

    Wol Euler: :)

    Eliza Madrigal: :) Thanks everyone

    Agatha Macbeth: Best of luck!

    Wol Euler: 'night eliza, take care

    Bolonath Crystal: bye eliza

    Eliza Madrigal: Night! :D

    Agatha Macbeth: Bye

    Wol Euler: so, bolonath, five days old! How are you getting on in SL?


    Bertram Jacobus: good night eliza !... :-)

    Bolonath Crystal: i try to work it out, wol

    Wol Euler: :)

    Wol Euler: there is a lot to learn.

    Bolonath Crystal: the prog has a nasty habit of crashing *g*

    Wol Euler: really? which viewer are you using?

    Wol Euler: (SL does stretch computers pretty far...)

    Bolonath Crystal: that's a good question...

    Agatha Macbeth: Good job we're not using Amigas

    Wol Euler: the window bar should tell you the name and version; otherwise in the Help menu under "about SL"

    Agatha Macbeth: It's quiet......too quiet

    Wol Euler: :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Cliche of the night?

    Bertram Jacobus: i like quietness ...

    Agatha Macbeth: Me too, most of the time

    Bolonath Crystal: me 2

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Agatha Macbeth: But then there are OTHER times......

    Wol Euler: I guess that is why we are here, rather than poledancing somewhere ...

    Bolonath Crystal: is now an OTHER time, agathe? ;)

    Agatha Macbeth: Poledancing? Yuk

    Bertram Jacobus: "sometimes" i feel, all is too loud or / and fast ...

    Agatha Macbeth: We have the US to blame for that :)

    Wol Euler: :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Seriously though.

    Agatha Macbeth: No offence to any Americans still here

    Bolonath Crystal: i'm not fond on blaming others

    Wol Euler thinks it was *probably* a joke.

    Bolonath Crystal: if i just listen to my inner voices there is noise more than enough ;)

    Agatha Macbeth: It was!

    Bertram Jacobus: :o)

    Agatha Macbeth: People take me waaaaaaaaaay too seriously

    Bertram Jacobus: :-)

    Bertram Jacobus: where do youcome from agatha ?

    Agatha Macbeth: UK

    Bertram Jacobus: oh.ah.yes.nice :-)

    Agatha Macbeth: Well some parts are :)

    Bertram Jacobus: okay lol

    Wol Euler: :)

    Wol Euler: that's probably true of everywhere.

    Bolonath Crystal: probably

    Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, true

    Bertram Jacobus: i notice my breathing (!):-)

    Wol Euler smiles

    Agatha Macbeth: Is it heavy?

    Bertram Jacobus: not really.

    Bertram Jacobus: more relaxed now

    Agatha Macbeth: I just thought with all these gorgeous women about.....

    Bertram Jacobus: and one or some deeper ones

    Bertram Jacobus: okay -

    Bertram Jacobus: that's a reason:-)

    Agatha Macbeth: hee hee

    Bertram Jacobus: athing

    Wol Euler: :)

    Bertram Jacobus: a topic :o)

    Bolonath Crystal: and a nice log anyway ;)

    Agatha Macbeth: Possibly

    Bertram Jacobus: probably ;-)

    Agatha Macbeth: Verily

    Bertram Jacobus: sure ? :-)

    Agatha Macbeth: I'm not sure of anything dude

    Wol Euler: relatively.

    Bertram Jacobus: great

    Agatha Macbeth: I'm not even sure what I'm doing here

    Bertram Jacobus: chating ?communicate?

    Wol Euler: stick around, let it happen.

    Wol Euler: there are some serious sessions too :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Did you say cheating Bert?

    Wol Euler: we do talk about meditation and all that..

    Bertram Jacobus: no. sry. i meant to chat

    Bertram Jacobus: yes

    Agatha Macbeth: Also

    Bertram Jacobus: andall that ...

    Agatha Macbeth: und so weiter

    Bertram Jacobus: nice mixture here sometimes

    Wol Euler: kannst du denn deutsch?

    Bolonath Crystal: where did u learn german, agatha?

    Agatha Macbeth: At school


    Bolonath Crystal: great

    Agatha Macbeth: When did I become 'du' Wol?

    Bertram Jacobus: sometimes i feel spontaneous love for people around me (!) ...

    Wol Euler: sorry, it's a habit. Most people are "du" on the internet...

    Wol Euler: no offence intended.

    Agatha Macbeth: No, I'm flattered I guess....

    Bertram Jacobus: :-)

    Bolonath Crystal: i love this surrounding... the birds, the crickets... so peaceful

    Agatha Macbeth: Familiarity breeds contempt but a lack of it doesn't breed anything

    Wol Euler: it's a lovely place, bolonath, I often come here and sit.

    Bolonath Crystal: :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Oscar Wilde, not me

    Wol Euler: where would we be without oscar?

    Wol Euler: my dears, I must go, it's nearly midnight.

    Agatha Macbeth: Oh :(

    Wol Euler: goodngiht all. Bolo, nice meeting you.

    Bertram Jacobus: sad buticanunderstand ...

    Bolonath Crystal: nite wol :)

    Wol Euler: work calls :/

    Bertram Jacobus: likd this little crew now ... :-)

    Agatha Macbeth: C ya

    Bertram Jacobus: cuwol

    Bertram Jacobus: have a nice nite

    Bolonath Crystal: wow, work calls at midnight?

    Agatha Macbeth: Some job eh?

    Bolonath Crystal: yep, hehe

    Bertram Jacobus: early gettin up i guess

    Agatha Macbeth: Oh well, guess that's enough from me

    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bert, Bolo

    Bolonath Crystal: bye agatha :)

    Bertram Jacobus: bye agatha

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