2009.10.04 19:00 - Psychic Duct Tape

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.


    stevenaia Michinaga: hello doug
    doug Sosa: hi steve.
    stevenaia Michinaga: ho Eos
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi
    doug Sosa: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Steve & Doug
    stevenaia Michinaga: how is everyone tonight?
    doug Sosa: ugh.
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise
    Eos Amaterasu: Just walked by your house, Stevenaia - but why ugh, Doug? :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Paradise regained :-)
    doug Sosa: beautiful!
    Paradise Tennant: hiya eos steve dough
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I have begun building lessons with a friend
    Paradise Tennant: doug :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: it will be some time beefore I am happy with results
    doug Sosa: I am envious.
    doug Sosa: (of building, not paradise's beauty tonight).
    Eos Amaterasu: I am also a learner re building
    Eos Amaterasu: growing a forest meadow sort of spot
    Paradise Tennant: it is very peacefuol serene eos
    stevenaia Michinaga: you, doug, did a very nice neoclassical home, my style of choice
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    doug Sosa: well, the columns are good but the house is just a found object to get started, but i can't open the door!
    Eos Amaterasu: break a window!
    Paradise Tennant: can you walk through it .. :)
    doug Sosa: no :(
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi Eos, Stevenaia, Doug
    Eos Amaterasu: You can walk thru the walls of the meeting place Storm set up
    Paradise Tennant: hiya arch :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: well, when I get to that lesson I will share it
    doug Sosa: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi ARchmage
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Arch
    stevenaia Michinaga: not sure doors that open are important
    stevenaia Michinaga: when you can walk through walls
    Eos Amaterasu: not all walls
    doug Sosa: in this case, can't.
    Paradise Tennant: i would love to find the seven prims I shrank to invisibily ;)
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Paradise Tennant: editing .. is a wee bit tricky lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: didn;t you get that ability to view int he ground Paradise
    Eos Amaterasu: Storm would know - there's some kind of way to find your lost objects (maybe look in your lost and found for returned objects)
    stevenaia Michinaga: superpowers of sorts
    Paradise Tennant: yes but I made them so small I cannot see them
    Paradise Tennant: yes can scan to my hearts content ..but they don't show
    Eos Amaterasu: black hole - ask Pema :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Yea. Paradise, I still have plants floating in the air I can't find
    Paradise Tennant: well maybe there is a lesson .. they are there but not there :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Arch, I was just at a brush/ calligraphy workshop
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like a quantum physics problem, they are there until you look
    Eos Amaterasu: so learned a bit more about Chinese characters
    Archmage Atlantis: Chuckles
    Archmage Atlantis: Enlighten us (or me) pls Eos
    doug Sosa: chinesecharacters?
    Eos Amaterasu: Archmage has character for "heaven" on his shirt
    doug Sosa: big man with horizon ontop of head!
    Archmage Atlantis: A gift
    Eos Amaterasu: Heaven has vision quality - big big horizon
    Eos Amaterasu: question is how to connect it to earth
    doug Sosa: the two horizontal lines are heaven and eart. the man in this case is the connector.
    Archmage Atlantis: That is an interesting sentence structure Eos
    doug Sosa: the man is the upside down v - two legs..walking..
    Eos Amaterasu: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: that literal?
    Archmage Atlantis: Connect in our minds, or connect that which is not already connected?
    doug Sosa: i origin yes.
    Archmage Atlantis: Or see the connection?
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, man as two legs :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: joining heaven and earth
    Eos Amaterasu: or you could say society joins heaven and earth
    doug Sosa: man, spirital and prgamatic, connects them.
    Eos Amaterasu: wheich brings it back to sustainability
    doug Sosa: the word for king does the same, the one who conencts.
    Eos Amaterasu: Which etymology? Chinese?
    doug Sosa: yes, although japanese has the same history.
    doug Sosa: (gotta go super)
    Archmage Atlantis: Thst
    Archmage Atlantis: That is the thing about SL, one moment someone is there in a conversation, then ,,,,,poof....they are gone
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes... I suppose the transcript lets you carry on from where you left off...
    Eos Amaterasu: but it doesn't get used that way
    Eos Amaterasu: I know when Doug's supper time is :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: I was thinking how the Play as Being suspension joins heaven and earth
    Archmage Atlantis: Sounds like a state secret :)
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: not around this pool!
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and chases a chocolate jujube under her desk .. to disappear only momentarily :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I agree Eos, any meditative practice has an element of opening to something normally not in awareness
    Eos Amaterasu: RL interlude.... (?)
    Archmage Atlantis: Chocolate......sigh
    Eos Amaterasu: Yeah, that's a paradoxical challenge, how to be open to that not yet in awareness :-)
    Paradise Tennant: there are some things that just make the world a happier place !
    Archmage Atlantis: I wonder if Mayan has a heaven character that includes chocolate
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: now are those the tiny cup shaped things or the elongted rubbery thing
    Fox Monacular: Hi everyone
    Eos Amaterasu must check the South American chocolate stores and their logos
    stevenaia Michinaga: hell Fox
    Paradise Tennant: :) chocolate covered jujubes .. sort of round :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Eos Amaterasu: little indentations, yes?
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Fox
    Paradise Tennant: hiya fox
    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings Fox
    Fox Monacular: hello
    Paradise Tennant: being open :)) very strong words
    Eos Amaterasu: we've been talking about the Heaven/Earth/Man pattern, on Arch's t-shirt in the form of the "heaven" character
    Archmage Atlantis: And chocolate....never forget chocolate
    Eos Amaterasu: with the "man" part joining heaven and earth
    Paradise Tennant: but could be a woman :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: below not above the heaven
    Eos Amaterasu: which Paradise found in chocolate jujubes
    Fox Monacular: chocolate joins man and heaven and earth
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Milk, Dark, White,....Belgian, Brazilian
    Fox Monacular: and man and woman too
    Eos Amaterasu: society joins heaven and earth
    Fox Monacular: yes, chocolate represents tolerance
    Paradise Tennant: creates the same chemical reaction in our brain as love ..
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Fox Monacular: i love chocolate
    Fox Monacular: double love
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: Actually, Paradise, I once had a lover who could be aroused quite easily by dark chocolate
    Archmage Atlantis: Needless to say, it was useful informatioin
    Eos Amaterasu: we are pushovers for the phenomenal world :-)
    Paradise Tennant: lol caloric passions lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Trust me, 2 pieces and other things were on the agenda
    Archmage Atlantis: Not caloric at all
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah well
    Fox Monacular: hehe, good trick
    Fox Monacular: and much cheaper than oysters
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Archmage Atlantis: That's something I miss from the NorthEast, Fl oysters just don't have the same character
    Archmage Atlantis: And I'm a Floridan by upbringing
    Fox Monacular: imagines an oyster with a character...
    Fox Monacular: people from quebec go to florida for winter, you must speak french already:)
    Archmage Atlantis: *runs from snow birds,.....drive like crazy horse*
    Archmage Atlantis: Now thru March are the nicest times of the year tho, garden season is just starting
    Fox Monacular: nice, I've never been to Florida, yet:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, i nice if it wasn;t so flat
    stevenaia Michinaga: is
    Eos Amaterasu: BTW, noting that there's a contingent of Canadians here, if we held a Candian & NorthEast PaB retreat, I know a great spot,
    Eos Amaterasu: in a forest with 600-year old trees
    stevenaia Michinaga: Eos, do you know if the "man" symbol as represented on Arch's shirt differes from woman
    Paradise Tennant: perks up
    Archmage Atlantis: Good question
    Eos Amaterasu: I don't know the details of the iconography, but it means more hu-man than man vs woman - but I think simiar useage as in English "man"
    Eos Amaterasu: perosn
    Eos Amaterasu: person
    Archmage Atlantis: oh oh, non-sexist kanje
    Archmage Atlantis: the next horizon
    Eos Amaterasu: woman is a different character
    Fox Monacular: where is that spot, Eos?
    Archmage Atlantis: Frankly, I'm preparing for meeting intelligent aliens, so I've switched to entity as the term, rather than human, man or earth bound terms
    Archmage Atlantis: It
    Eos Amaterasu: a place called Windhorse farm, near Bridgewater, NS
    Archmage Atlantis: is just hard to use in music
    Eos Amaterasu: I like "sentient being" but that may be even harder with music
    Eos Amaterasu: actually just "sentient" works: a sentient, there goes a sentient :-)
    Paradise Tennant: lots of pab people in the north east .would make sense
    Fox Monacular: hey sentient!
    stevenaia Michinaga: preparing as in you have a date, Arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: sentient - how do you define that?
    Fox Monacular: when i'm high I don't feel too sentient
    Eos Amaterasu: capable of both intelligence, knowingness, and care - that's my def
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience
    Fox Monacular: so you include all the animal world but not plants
    Archmage Atlantis: Can't an entity have knowingness and care without intelligence?
    Eos Amaterasu: Well, actually I do include plants to some extent - don't fully know
    Archmage Atlantis: We can't completely define intelligence ourselves
    Eos Amaterasu: but intelligence is not just unique to our species, is it?
    Fox Monacular: there are different types of intelligence perhaps
    Eos Amaterasu: and we have a couple of billion years of biological life in us....
    Eos Amaterasu: which was/is not unique to us
    Fox Monacular: ecosystems are organized in an intelligent manner I find...
    Paradise Tennant: hmm a friend's parrot tells her to be quiet when she sings.. very intelligent parrot :)
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Some birds sing along :-)
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Fox Monacular: there is surely a difference between intelligence and intellect
    Eos Amaterasu: buddhists use the term "sentient being" to mean any being with "bodhicitta": awake heart/mind
    Eos Amaterasu: intellect seems like an abstraction from intelligence
    Fox Monacular: does a dog have buddha nature:))?
    Paradise Tennant: hmmm
    stevenaia Michinaga: a nice connection
    Eos Amaterasu: ntelligence has smart emotionality, for example
    Paradise Tennant: nods .. sure of it !
    Eos Amaterasu: dogs are pretty sentient
    Fox Monacular: the master in the koan answers "mu!"
    Paradise Tennant: leave my teachings on ..when I go to work..tell him to listen carefully ..in his next life he can come back as a human ..then have his own dog and go for all the walks he wants :)
    Fox Monacular: which is often translated as "no":))
    Eos Amaterasu: does a cow have buddha nature?
    stevenaia Michinaga: who determines one's buddha nature us, another cow, a dog?
    Archmage Atlantis: A cow is a herd animal, herds have a collective nature
    Eos Amaterasu: moo!
    Paradise Tennant: we have a herd mentality .. just look at crowd dynamic sometimes ..very spooky
    Archmage Atlantis: We have a mixed nature
    Fox Monacular: that's so true...
    Eos Amaterasu: Mu is japanese for chinese wu, as in wu wei, basicaly meaning "without", empty of
    Fox Monacular: cool, Eos
    Archmage Atlantis: So wholesale slaughter of cows should not matter
    Fox Monacular: but I think it's supposed to be a 'nonsense' answer... because everything has buddha nature, so it forces you to go back and reconsider your questions
    Paradise Tennant: good point fox
    Eos Amaterasu: non sense, pulls the rug out from under conventional sensing
    Fox Monacular: that's why I don't eat cows...
    Eos Amaterasu: like the 9 secs, the 90 secs
    Fox Monacular: nods
    Eos Amaterasu: we spend 9 secs in mu
    Eos Amaterasu: or in wu
    Eos Amaterasu: or in wu wei
    Fox Monacular: or on starship enterprise:) depends on a day
    Eos Amaterasu: very hawaiian
    Paradise Tennant: had a cat who use to say mu wu .. maybe she was trying to tell me something :)
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: That might work into a pop song, combine mu wu wu wei with entity and sentient being, have to work on that
    Eos Amaterasu: beach boys harmonics
    Fox Monacular: sometimes during PaB 9 sec or 90 sec I really am amazed by how strange I and peope around me feel sometimes
    Fox Monacular: like aliens
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: is that like when you look at a word too long it starts looking strange?
    Archmage Atlantis: Get the Jonas Brothers to perform it, we got a hit :_)
    Fox Monacular: who are jonas brothers?
    Fox Monacular: yes, Eos, exactly that feeling
    stevenaia Michinaga: best you don;t ask, the Celine Dion of america's youth
    Fox Monacular: ouch
    Paradise Tennant: sometimes when you pay attention to reality you realize .. reality is very strange ...had one of the jonas brothers wave at me a few days ok .. were staying in a hotel ..next to where I work .. just a meeting of paths :)
    Fox Monacular: ok, i'm not going to google jonas brothers then
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: They
    Archmage Atlantis: are all cute
    Fox Monacular: now I have to google them
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. with ooodles of teen age gals .. lining up .. with misty eyes
    Archmage Atlantis: And sing very well, ....., but every preteen girl and gay guy is gahgah
    Fox Monacular: oh my god.... I know now, I've been on their website after I saw south park with them
    Fox Monacular: I repressed the image
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: hilarious Fox
    Paradise Tennant: cute has buddha nature too :)
    Eos Amaterasu: definitely!
    Fox Monacular: yes, and we must practice compassion
    Eos Amaterasu: (that's why we like it)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Eos Amaterasu: that feeling of strangeness.... can you say more, fox
    Fox Monacular: see, we're so afraid of cute like this, that we mostly play beatles for our 1 year old... by the time she;s 15 she'll be so pop deprived, that she'll definitely get into pop!
    Fox Monacular: I mean beatles is as pop as it gets:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, they like what your parents do not
    stevenaia Michinaga: their parents
    Fox Monacular: I know, I know... I remember:))
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: "turn of your mind relax and float downstream... it is not dying"
    Eos Amaterasu: off
    Eos Amaterasu: "that you may know the meaning of within - it is being"
    Fox Monacular: I used to put Led Zeppelin on my boombox alarm clock... it would startle even me, but mostly to anger my parents
    Paradise Tennant: funny how lyrics are like psychic duct tape they bind our humanity ..commanlity :)
    Fox Monacular: yes:)
    Eos Amaterasu: songs keep us together
    Eos Amaterasu: individually and collectively
    Fox Monacular: too bad we can't collectively sing around this pool:)
    Archmage Atlantis: Now there is an interesting thought, why anger parents who provide room and food and safetly?
    Paradise Tennant: but we could
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: with voice
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Fox Monacular: well, you know, teenagers need to assert their independence and all that stuff
    Archmage Atlantis: I can't spell it, Kum by ya?
    stevenaia Michinaga: children do strange things
    Eos Amaterasu needs to slip away, as midnight turns
    Eos Amaterasu: 'gnight, all
    Fox Monacular: nite, Eos
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite eos
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I msut be off as well
    Archmage Atlantis: The witching hour
    Paradise Tennant: :) good nite all ..
    Paradise Tennant: thank you
    Fox Monacular: ok, I see, everybody leaves so as not to sing
    Archmage Atlantis: It is time to go
    stevenaia Michinaga: if anyone wnats to take my wednesday slot
    Archmage Atlantis: Nite all
    stevenaia Michinaga: I will be traveling
    stevenaia Michinaga: night
    Paradise Tennant: okies steve
    Fox Monacular: bye everyone
    Paradise Tennant: that is at 7
    stevenaia Michinaga: see ya
    Paradise Tennant: byeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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