2009.10.04 19:00 - Psychic Duct Tape

The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

stevenaia Michinaga: hello doug
doug Sosa: hi steve.
stevenaia Michinaga: ho Eos
stevenaia Michinaga: hi
doug Sosa: :)
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Steve & Doug
stevenaia Michinaga: how is everyone tonight?
doug Sosa: ugh.
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise
Eos Amaterasu: Just walked by your house, Stevenaia - but why ugh, Doug? :-)
Eos Amaterasu: Paradise regained :-)
doug Sosa: beautiful!
Paradise Tennant: hiya eos steve dough
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I have begun building lessons with a friend
Paradise Tennant: doug :)
stevenaia Michinaga: it will be some time beefore I am happy with results
doug Sosa: I am envious.
doug Sosa: (of building, not paradise's beauty tonight).
Eos Amaterasu: I am also a learner re building
Eos Amaterasu: growing a forest meadow sort of spot
Paradise Tennant: it is very peacefuol serene eos
stevenaia Michinaga: you, doug, did a very nice neoclassical home, my style of choice
Paradise Tennant: ;)
doug Sosa: well, the columns are good but the house is just a found object to get started, but i can't open the door!
Eos Amaterasu: break a window!
Paradise Tennant: can you walk through it .. :)
doug Sosa: no :(
Archmage Atlantis: Hi Eos, Stevenaia, Doug
Eos Amaterasu: You can walk thru the walls of the meeting place Storm set up
Paradise Tennant: hiya arch :)
stevenaia Michinaga: well, when I get to that lesson I will share it
doug Sosa: :)
Eos Amaterasu: Hi ARchmage
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Arch
stevenaia Michinaga: not sure doors that open are important
stevenaia Michinaga: when you can walk through walls
Eos Amaterasu: not all walls
doug Sosa: in this case, can't.
Paradise Tennant: i would love to find the seven prims I shrank to invisibily ;)
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Paradise Tennant: editing .. is a wee bit tricky lol
stevenaia Michinaga: didn;t you get that ability to view int he ground Paradise
Eos Amaterasu: Storm would know - there's some kind of way to find your lost objects (maybe look in your lost and found for returned objects)
stevenaia Michinaga: superpowers of sorts
Paradise Tennant: yes but I made them so small I cannot see them
Paradise Tennant: yes can scan to my hearts content ..but they don't show
Eos Amaterasu: black hole - ask Pema :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Yea. Paradise, I still have plants floating in the air I can't find
Paradise Tennant: well maybe there is a lesson .. they are there but not there :)
Eos Amaterasu: Arch, I was just at a brush/ calligraphy workshop
stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like a quantum physics problem, they are there until you look
Eos Amaterasu: so learned a bit more about Chinese characters
Archmage Atlantis: Chuckles
Archmage Atlantis: Enlighten us (or me) pls Eos
doug Sosa: chinesecharacters?
Eos Amaterasu: Archmage has character for "heaven" on his shirt
doug Sosa: big man with horizon ontop of head!
Archmage Atlantis: A gift
Eos Amaterasu: Heaven has vision quality - big big horizon
Eos Amaterasu: question is how to connect it to earth
doug Sosa: the two horizontal lines are heaven and eart. the man in this case is the connector.
Archmage Atlantis: That is an interesting sentence structure Eos
doug Sosa: the man is the upside down v - two legs..walking..
Eos Amaterasu: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: that literal?
Archmage Atlantis: Connect in our minds, or connect that which is not already connected?
doug Sosa: i origin yes.
Archmage Atlantis: Or see the connection?
Eos Amaterasu: Yes, man as two legs :-)
Eos Amaterasu: joining heaven and earth
Eos Amaterasu: or you could say society joins heaven and earth
doug Sosa: man, spirital and prgamatic, connects them.
Eos Amaterasu: wheich brings it back to sustainability
doug Sosa: the word for king does the same, the one who conencts.
Eos Amaterasu: Which etymology? Chinese?
--BELL--
doug Sosa: yes, although japanese has the same history.
doug Sosa: (gotta go super)
Archmage Atlantis: Thst
Archmage Atlantis: That is the thing about SL, one moment someone is there in a conversation, then ,,,,,poof....they are gone
Eos Amaterasu: Yes... I suppose the transcript lets you carry on from where you left off...
Eos Amaterasu: but it doesn't get used that way
Eos Amaterasu: I know when Doug's supper time is :-)
Eos Amaterasu: I was thinking how the Play as Being suspension joins heaven and earth
Archmage Atlantis: Sounds like a state secret :)
Paradise Tennant: :)
Eos Amaterasu: not around this pool!
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles and chases a chocolate jujube under her desk .. to disappear only momentarily :)
Archmage Atlantis: I agree Eos, any meditative practice has an element of opening to something normally not in awareness
Eos Amaterasu: RL interlude.... (?)
Archmage Atlantis: Chocolate......sigh
Eos Amaterasu: Yeah, that's a paradoxical challenge, how to be open to that not yet in awareness :-)
Paradise Tennant: there are some things that just make the world a happier place !
Archmage Atlantis: I wonder if Mayan has a heaven character that includes chocolate
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: now are those the tiny cup shaped things or the elongted rubbery thing
Fox Monacular: Hi everyone
Eos Amaterasu must check the South American chocolate stores and their logos
stevenaia Michinaga: hell Fox
Paradise Tennant: :) chocolate covered jujubes .. sort of round :)
Paradise Tennant: lol
Eos Amaterasu: little indentations, yes?
Paradise Tennant: :)
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Fox
Paradise Tennant: hiya fox
Archmage Atlantis: Greetings Fox
Fox Monacular: hello
Paradise Tennant: being open :)) very strong words
Eos Amaterasu: we've been talking about the Heaven/Earth/Man pattern, on Arch's t-shirt in the form of the "heaven" character
Archmage Atlantis: And chocolate....never forget chocolate
Eos Amaterasu: with the "man" part joining heaven and earth
Paradise Tennant: but could be a woman :)
stevenaia Michinaga: below not above the heaven
Eos Amaterasu: which Paradise found in chocolate jujubes
Fox Monacular: chocolate joins man and heaven and earth
stevenaia Michinaga: lol
Paradise Tennant: lol
Archmage Atlantis: Milk, Dark, White,....Belgian, Brazilian
Fox Monacular: and man and woman too
Eos Amaterasu: society joins heaven and earth
Fox Monacular: yes, chocolate represents tolerance
Paradise Tennant: creates the same chemical reaction in our brain as love ..
Paradise Tennant: :)
Fox Monacular: i love chocolate
Fox Monacular: double love
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Archmage Atlantis: Actually, Paradise, I once had a lover who could be aroused quite easily by dark chocolate
Archmage Atlantis: Needless to say, it was useful informatioin
Eos Amaterasu: we are pushovers for the phenomenal world :-)
Paradise Tennant: lol caloric passions lol
Archmage Atlantis: Trust me, 2 pieces and other things were on the agenda
Archmage Atlantis: Not caloric at all
Archmage Atlantis: Ah well
Fox Monacular: hehe, good trick
Fox Monacular: and much cheaper than oysters
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
Archmage Atlantis: That's something I miss from the NorthEast, Fl oysters just don't have the same character
Archmage Atlantis: And I'm a Floridan by upbringing
Fox Monacular: imagines an oyster with a character...
--BELL--
Fox Monacular: people from quebec go to florida for winter, you must speak french already:)
Archmage Atlantis: *runs from snow birds,.....drive like crazy horse*
Archmage Atlantis: Now thru March are the nicest times of the year tho, garden season is just starting
Fox Monacular: nice, I've never been to Florida, yet:)
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, i nice if it wasn;t so flat
stevenaia Michinaga: is
Eos Amaterasu: BTW, noting that there's a contingent of Canadians here, if we held a Candian & NorthEast PaB retreat, I know a great spot,
Eos Amaterasu: in a forest with 600-year old trees
stevenaia Michinaga: Eos, do you know if the "man" symbol as represented on Arch's shirt differes from woman
Paradise Tennant: perks up
Archmage Atlantis: Good question
Eos Amaterasu: I don't know the details of the iconography, but it means more hu-man than man vs woman - but I think simiar useage as in English "man"
Eos Amaterasu: perosn
Eos Amaterasu: person
Archmage Atlantis: oh oh, non-sexist kanje
Archmage Atlantis: the next horizon
Eos Amaterasu: woman is a different character
Fox Monacular: where is that spot, Eos?
Archmage Atlantis: Frankly, I'm preparing for meeting intelligent aliens, so I've switched to entity as the term, rather than human, man or earth bound terms
Archmage Atlantis: It
Eos Amaterasu: a place called Windhorse farm, near Bridgewater, NS
Archmage Atlantis: is just hard to use in music
Eos Amaterasu: I like "sentient being" but that may be even harder with music
Eos Amaterasu: actually just "sentient" works: a sentient, there goes a sentient :-)
Paradise Tennant: lots of pab people in the north east .would make sense
Fox Monacular: hey sentient!
stevenaia Michinaga: preparing as in you have a date, Arch?
Archmage Atlantis: sentient - how do you define that?
Fox Monacular: when i'm high I don't feel too sentient
Eos Amaterasu: capable of both intelligence, knowingness, and care - that's my def
stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience
Fox Monacular: so you include all the animal world but not plants
Archmage Atlantis: Can't an entity have knowingness and care without intelligence?
Eos Amaterasu: Well, actually I do include plants to some extent - don't fully know
Archmage Atlantis: We can't completely define intelligence ourselves
Eos Amaterasu: but intelligence is not just unique to our species, is it?
Fox Monacular: there are different types of intelligence perhaps
Eos Amaterasu: and we have a couple of billion years of biological life in us....
Eos Amaterasu: which was/is not unique to us
Fox Monacular: ecosystems are organized in an intelligent manner I find...
Paradise Tennant: hmm a friend's parrot tells her to be quiet when she sings.. very intelligent parrot :)
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eos Amaterasu: Some birds sing along :-)
Paradise Tennant: ;)
Fox Monacular: there is surely a difference between intelligence and intellect
Eos Amaterasu: buddhists use the term "sentient being" to mean any being with "bodhicitta": awake heart/mind
Eos Amaterasu: intellect seems like an abstraction from intelligence
Fox Monacular: does a dog have buddha nature:))?
Paradise Tennant: hmmm
stevenaia Michinaga: a nice connection
Eos Amaterasu: ntelligence has smart emotionality, for example
Paradise Tennant: nods .. sure of it !
Eos Amaterasu: dogs are pretty sentient
Fox Monacular: the master in the koan answers "mu!"
Paradise Tennant: leave my teachings on ..when I go to work..tell him to listen carefully ..in his next life he can come back as a human ..then have his own dog and go for all the walks he wants :)
--BELL--
Fox Monacular: which is often translated as "no":))
Eos Amaterasu: does a cow have buddha nature?
stevenaia Michinaga: who determines one's buddha nature us, another cow, a dog?
Archmage Atlantis: A cow is a herd animal, herds have a collective nature
Eos Amaterasu: moo!
Paradise Tennant: we have a herd mentality .. just look at crowd dynamic sometimes ..very spooky
Archmage Atlantis: We have a mixed nature
Fox Monacular: that's so true...
Eos Amaterasu: Mu is japanese for chinese wu, as in wu wei, basicaly meaning "without", empty of
Fox Monacular: cool, Eos
Archmage Atlantis: So wholesale slaughter of cows should not matter
Fox Monacular: but I think it's supposed to be a 'nonsense' answer... because everything has buddha nature, so it forces you to go back and reconsider your questions
Paradise Tennant: good point fox
Eos Amaterasu: non sense, pulls the rug out from under conventional sensing
Fox Monacular: that's why I don't eat cows...
Eos Amaterasu: like the 9 secs, the 90 secs
Fox Monacular: nods
Eos Amaterasu: we spend 9 secs in mu
Eos Amaterasu: or in wu
Eos Amaterasu: or in wu wei
Fox Monacular: or on starship enterprise:) depends on a day
Eos Amaterasu: very hawaiian
Paradise Tennant: had a cat who use to say mu wu .. maybe she was trying to tell me something :)
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Archmage Atlantis: That might work into a pop song, combine mu wu wu wei with entity and sentient being, have to work on that
Eos Amaterasu: beach boys harmonics
Fox Monacular: sometimes during PaB 9 sec or 90 sec I really am amazed by how strange I and peope around me feel sometimes
Fox Monacular: like aliens
Paradise Tennant: lol
Paradise Tennant: :)
Eos Amaterasu: is that like when you look at a word too long it starts looking strange?
Archmage Atlantis: Get the Jonas Brothers to perform it, we got a hit :_)
Fox Monacular: who are jonas brothers?
Fox Monacular: yes, Eos, exactly that feeling
stevenaia Michinaga: best you don;t ask, the Celine Dion of america's youth
Fox Monacular: ouch
Paradise Tennant: sometimes when you pay attention to reality you realize .. reality is very strange ...had one of the jonas brothers wave at me a few days ok .. were staying in a hotel ..next to where I work .. just a meeting of paths :)
Fox Monacular: ok, i'm not going to google jonas brothers then
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Archmage Atlantis: They
Archmage Atlantis: are all cute
Fox Monacular: now I have to google them
Paradise Tennant: yes .. with ooodles of teen age gals .. lining up .. with misty eyes
Archmage Atlantis: And sing very well, ....., but every preteen girl and gay guy is gahgah
Fox Monacular: oh my god.... I know now, I've been on their website after I saw south park with them
Fox Monacular: I repressed the image
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Archmage Atlantis: hilarious Fox
Paradise Tennant: cute has buddha nature too :)
Eos Amaterasu: definitely!
Fox Monacular: yes, and we must practice compassion
Eos Amaterasu: (that's why we like it)
Paradise Tennant: lol
Eos Amaterasu: that feeling of strangeness.... can you say more, fox
Fox Monacular: see, we're so afraid of cute like this, that we mostly play beatles for our 1 year old... by the time she;s 15 she'll be so pop deprived, that she'll definitely get into pop!
Fox Monacular: I mean beatles is as pop as it gets:)
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, they like what your parents do not
stevenaia Michinaga: their parents
Fox Monacular: I know, I know... I remember:))
Paradise Tennant: :)
Eos Amaterasu: "turn of your mind relax and float downstream... it is not dying"
Eos Amaterasu: off
Eos Amaterasu: "that you may know the meaning of within - it is being"
Fox Monacular: I used to put Led Zeppelin on my boombox alarm clock... it would startle even me, but mostly to anger my parents
--BELL--
Paradise Tennant: funny how lyrics are like psychic duct tape they bind our humanity ..commanlity :)
Fox Monacular: yes:)
Eos Amaterasu: songs keep us together
Eos Amaterasu: individually and collectively
Fox Monacular: too bad we can't collectively sing around this pool:)
Archmage Atlantis: Now there is an interesting thought, why anger parents who provide room and food and safetly?
Paradise Tennant: but we could
Paradise Tennant: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: with voice
Paradise Tennant: lol
Fox Monacular: well, you know, teenagers need to assert their independence and all that stuff
Archmage Atlantis: I can't spell it, Kum by ya?
stevenaia Michinaga: children do strange things
Eos Amaterasu needs to slip away, as midnight turns
Eos Amaterasu: 'gnight, all
Fox Monacular: nite, Eos
Paradise Tennant: nite nite eos
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I msut be off as well
Archmage Atlantis: The witching hour
Paradise Tennant: :) good nite all ..
Paradise Tennant: thank you
Fox Monacular: ok, I see, everybody leaves so as not to sing
Archmage Atlantis: It is time to go
stevenaia Michinaga: if anyone wnats to take my wednesday slot
Archmage Atlantis: Nite all
stevenaia Michinaga: I will be traveling
stevenaia Michinaga: night
Paradise Tennant: okies steve
Fox Monacular: bye everyone
Paradise Tennant: that is at 7
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stevenaia Michinaga: see ya
Paradise Tennant: byeeeeeeeeeeeeee