2009.10.11 07:00 - Yes, With All the Right Intentions

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    I get to meet Widget, our newest guardian

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Widget! :)
    Widget Whiteberry: good morning
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza and Widget
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: Nice to meet you Widgget and welcome to our gaurdian group
    Widget Whiteberry: thank you!
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, Warm welcome!!
    Widget Whiteberry: I hope to contribute
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on being playing at the last session we were in together
    Widget Whiteberry: ty, it is an opening for me to expand my ways of relating to myself and the world(s) around me
    Adams Rubble: I have found it a good place to do that
    Widget Whiteberry: being easier on myself
    Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh yes, we're really rough with ourselves sometimes aren't we
    Widget Whiteberry: Oh yes. How does it go for you, Adams?
    Adams Rubble: that is a noble goal
    Widget Whiteberry: Noble? How?
    Adams Rubble: I learn more and more about myself all the time :)
    Adams Rubble: Noble goal to expand orselves and the understanding of the world around us at the same time being easy on ourselves. It would be a better world if everyone did it
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Widget Whiteberry: oh, I like that
    Widget Whiteberry: being hard on myself is a lifetime's habit and doesn't result in much improvement
    Adams Rubble nods
    Adams Rubble: only makes us suffer more
    Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh true. It isn't as though it makes us more efficient in the long run, right?
    Adams Rubble: Hello Qt
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt :)
    Qt Core: hi all
    Widget Whiteberry: agreed, Eliza. Being hard on myself is not effective, absorbs my energies
    Widget Whiteberry: good morning Qt
    Adams Rubble nods
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yak
    Eliza Madrigal: There's a story about exhausting all one's efforts to try to shoot an arrow through the moon... something to that effect :)
    Widget Whiteberry pats her knee for Yak
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yakuzza :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Qt Core: hi Yak
    Adams Rubble: we can just drop the being hard on ourselves :)
    Adams Rubble: so easy and so hard :)
    Widget Whiteberry looks for the 'detach' command
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Adams Rubble: learn to accept ourselves
    Adams Rubble: have you tired the 9 seconds yet Widgget?
    Adams Rubble: tried
    Widget Whiteberry: in rl? yes
    Widget Whiteberry: from time to time
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia
    Devil's Snare
    Eliza Madrigal: There's a string in the harry potter movies I've liked... which is something called "devil's snare".... it is a plant like something which holds onto one.... the only way to get through it is to completely relax because it tightens as you struggle...
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia! :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: *book rather... not sure if it made it to the films
    Adams Rubble: Nice analogy Eliza :)
    Qt Core: yes it did
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just sat down and have to go afk for a min :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Qt Core: and when sunlight (truth's light ?) hit it it dies
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: JK Rowling is brilliant with those pictures
    Adams Rubble has a few of those plants hanging from her (giggles)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Widget Whiteberry: pesky things, those snares
    Qt Core: mmm, another excuse to reread her books, searching for deeper symbolism ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: I watched a show about the LoTR yesterday... hadn't known that Tolkien had been raised by a Catholic priest for part of his life
    Widget Whiteberry: what Order of priest?
    Eliza Madrigal: You know, the show unfortunately wasn't that deep....
    Widget Whiteberry: that would be interesting to know
    Qt Core: seeing his believes about the great fight between good and evil i thing gesuits ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: but I thought it was interesting that this informed his symbology, etc
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Adams Rubble: Hello Pema
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi pema
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    Widget Whiteberry: good morning
    Qt Core: hi pema
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Pema
    Adams Rubble: Eliza brought up a plant in Harry Potter that latches on to you...
    Adams Rubble: and the more you struggle the more it holds on
    Adams Rubble: relaxing and sunlight are the cures
    Adams Rubble: and we have been thinking about that
    Pema Pera: sounds familiar!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Widget Whiteberry: when I imagine that plant, I think about
    Widget Whiteberry: how putting energy into a disfunctional system/dynamic can feed it. Like the allegory of feeding the wolf.
    Widget Whiteberry: or feeding trolls or trollishness
    Adams Rubble nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: fall into repeating patterns
    Pema reminds us that sometimes we put our energy in the wrong direction with the best of intentions
    Pema Pera: yes, with all the right intentions . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: why so important to drop
    Eliza Madrigal: In the devil's snare picture, maybe one is trying to drop the snare, but you can't... you have to let go and it drops you.... in a way
    Pema Pera: or to drop yourself . . .
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Qt Core: like when you insist in not thinking
    Pema Pera: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes we can certainly get tangled in our thoughts :)
    Qt Core: thinking not to think make you unable to not to think... remindi me about quantum phisics and the disturbance the observer pose to the sistem ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Pema Pera: relaxing, accepting, appreciating . . . but staying fully engaged -- hard to put it into a formula or method, but something we all can practice
    Pema Pera: they key seems to be mostly to remind yourself to do it
    Pema Pera: each time when you remember, you know it again, AHA -- and then you forget again
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm, for me it helps to get my heart rate up - exercise and sleep seem necessary
    Pema Pera: no silver bullet -- only silver buckshot
    Widget Whiteberry: lol
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble counts the holes
    Pema Pera: yes, we tend to sleep too little . . . we're too busy -- creativity needs lots of rest
    Adams Rubble: Helo Steve
    Pema Pera: hi Steve!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Stevenaia
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)
    Qt Core: hi steve
    Adams Rubble: Yes, I understand the needing mroe sleep :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe thats why i have been so uncreative lately :)
    Pema Pera: biologically, before electric light was invented, and more so even before any kind of fire was used, we had little choice but to sleep at least ten hours a night, on average
    Widget Whiteberry: and to sleep before midnight
    Sleeping for Creativity
    Pema Pera: so we're not pushing the limit of what is doable, in terms of lack of sleep, but it is probably far from optimal . . . I have learned to give myself at least eight hours of staying in bed, even though I can function quite well with only six hours, almost indefinitely. With eight hours I tend to wake up for a while in the middle of the night, and often that then turns out to be a very creative time
    Adams Rubble: nice to make it a creative time :)
    Widget Whiteberry: when I go to sleep before midnight, I'm more likely to waken with an idea
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i did wake up with the solution to a problem the other day, it was awesome
    Eliza Madrigal: yes? Something you can share?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its kind of silly :) a friend is taking a class in nursing informatics and asked for ideas for a paper she's writing, and a program, it came to me almost full when i woke up
    Adams Rubble: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it was what she was looking for
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh Fantastic!
    Widget Whiteberry: I love it when that happens
    Eliza Madrigal nods.... and a nice friend to be working on that for her... :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its hard to explain what i mean abot a program if you dont have to do electronic charting but it has to be simple but complete
    Widget Whiteberry: a good example of putting energy into a system
    Eliza Madrigal: I have a friend who calls that "holding someone's hand in the dark"...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i woke up with a picture in my mind, not so much the thoughts, pictures of computer screen with everything in place
    SophiaSharon Larnia: screens*
    Widget Whiteberry: wonderful!
    Eliza Madrigal: oh wow :)
    Pema Pera: that's great, Sophia!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but knew where all the links led to... i usually fall asleep with the 9 second idea in mind, so i wonder if that had anything to do with it :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: brb
    Adams Rubble: I find the exercises defintieyly bring things on
    Eliza Madrigal: we can certainly put ourselves in a relaxing mindset which aids creativity even in sleep
    Pema Pera: yes, it is hard to trace what causes what, but the 9 sec does seem to help in general to open up our creativity
    Adams Rubble: the nine seconds has helped me sort out what is important sometimes
    Adams Rubble: just stopping to look at what we are doing seems to do that
    Adams Rubble: "why am I doing that silly thing?"
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Eliza Madrigal nods... and why we are doing it
    The First Guardian meeting in many months, see http://playasbeing.wik.is/<wbr/>Chat_Logs/2009/10/2009.10.11_<wbr/>08%3a00_-_A_New_Start_for_<wbr/>Weekly_Guardian_Meetings
    Adams Rubble: It is almost time for the next meeting
    Adams Rubble: time
    SophiaSharon Larnia grins
    Eliza Madrigal: yay :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I almost forgot
    Adams Rubble: It has been a long time since I was able to say that :)
    Pema Pera: yes, off to the Village Hall! http://slurl.com/secondlife/Baikun/131/6/103
    SophiaSharon Larnia: phew
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is on the other end of bieup?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes...pema just posted a LM
    Widget Whiteberry: when is the meeting at the village hall?
    Widget Whiteberry: now?
    Eliza Madrigal: Right now :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: now! :)

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