2009.10.12 13:00 - Intoxication and detoxification

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    Wol Euler was guardian for this session, filling in for Stim Morane.


    Wol Euler: moin moin

    Yakuzza Lethecus: good evening

    Eos Amaterasu: HI Yakuzza and Wol

    Wol Euler: hello eos

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi scath

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Scath

    Wol Euler: hello scath, long time no see

    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, science at play is already at 1 pm

    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think i will swap over there since usually it was too late for me

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Wol Euler: ok, enjoy!

    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx, bye for now :)

    Eos Amaterasu: I have rarely intersected with you in PaB sessions, Scath

    Eos Amaterasu: time zones

    Eos Amaterasu: Today is Canadian Thanksgiving day, a day off

    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, different timezones:)

    Wol Euler: heh

    Wol Euler: I'd quite forgotten

    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, not the same as US thanksgiving?

    Eos Amaterasu: No, about 5 or 6 weeks earlier :-)

    Eos Amaterasu: We went up to Cape Breton, which has some kind of magical clarity of perceptions, appearances

    Eos Amaterasu: sky and grasses and mists, people and faeries

    Eos Amaterasu: :-)

    Wol Euler: oh wow

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Eos Amaterasu: kind of puts you in PaB mode :-)

    Wol Euler smiles

    Eos Amaterasu: I'm hoping RL retreat locations have that quality

    Scathach Rhiadra: if they are chosen with care they should have:)

    Wol Euler: now there's a challenge :)

    Eos Amaterasu: Germany should have lots of magical places, Wol, should it not?

    Wol Euler: well ... I guess so.

    Wol Euler: it certainly has lots of history and a fair bit of pre-history

    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    Eos Amaterasu: the context we come out of

    Eos Amaterasu: or, appreciate the presence of appearance as a presentation by beer :-)

    Wol Euler: :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Wol Euler: there will be a beer day at the German retreat, next October

    Wol Euler: an anti-silent day, perhaps


    Eos Amaterasu: ah

    doug Sosa: snuck in during the bell

    Wol Euler: hello doug

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello doug

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Doug - we're talking about qualities of locale for RL retreat, as well as a beer day, suggested by Wol

    doug Sosa: continue...

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Mick

    Wol Euler: hello mick

    Mickorod Renard: Hi Guys

    Mickorod Renard: n Gals

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick

    Wol Euler: :)

    Eos Amaterasu: Wol, are you sugesting that intoxication by being can be helped by beer?

    Wol Euler: actually, I hadn't bothered t try to justify it in that manner :)

    Mickorod Renard: sounds good to me

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Wol Euler: we are called "PLAY as Being", after all

    Eos Amaterasu: Dionysian quality

    doug Sosa: plato said drinking parties were good because they revealled the character of the participants.

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Mickorod Renard: thats an interesting point

    Coucouille Morigi: hi all

    Eos Amaterasu: drinking seems so, umm, un-platonic

    Wol Euler: hello coucouille

    Mickorod Renard: does being effected by drink reveal the true self?

    Mickorod Renard: hi Couc

    Wol Euler: you've been here before, I think? I seem to remember your name

    Mickorod Renard: your the French chap?

    Coucouille Morigi: it's true

    Wol Euler smiles

    Scathach Rhiadra: could have the opposite effect Mick:)

    Coucouille Morigi: i remeber you too wol

    Wol Euler grins

    Mickorod Renard: I think people use it as an excuse,,to fit the need

    Coucouille Morigi: nice to meet you all

    Eos Amaterasu: More revelation, or more frenzied cover-up

    Wol Euler nods to mick.

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Couc

    Scathach Rhiadra: too drunk to see anything clearly:)

    Eos Amaterasu: acting out vs playing

    doug Sosa: but seen.

    Mickorod Renard: or,,maybe drunk as a means to do what we really want?

    doug Sosa: but then can't enjoy it. (:

    Wol Euler: It's a socially accepted excuse. "I was really drunk at the time"

    Scathach Rhiadra: that would be a nice excuse your mind makes to justify behaviour

    Mickorod Renard: I didnt mean that drunk Doug,,he he

    doug Sosa: two kinds of lovers, alcahol and coffee.

    Mickorod Renard: I guess irish coffee is bi?

    Eos Amaterasu: letting go, as in PaB, is a kind of intoxication..... without holding on

    Fox Monacular: Hello everyone

    Wol Euler: hello fox

    Mickorod Renard: Hi Fox

    Coucouille Morigi: salut fox

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello fox

    Eos Amaterasu: foxy lady

    Wol Euler: is that a Toronto Ring Cycle t-shirt, fox?

    Fox Monacular: It's a Kannoji zen t shirt:)

    Wol Euler: ah :)

    Wol Euler: sorry, my obsessions are showing

    Eos Amaterasu: :-)

    Coucouille Morigi: héhé

    Mickorod Renard: sorry folks,,I have to leave

    Fox Monacular: so are mine:)

    Wol Euler: bye mick, take care

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Mick

    Fox Monacular: bye Mick

    Coucouille Morigi: bye

    Mickorod Renard: bye,,sorry its so short,,the vist that is

    Mickorod Renard: he he

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pema

    Pema Pera: hi everybody!

    Wol Euler snorts

    Wol Euler: hello pema

    Fox Monacular: Hi Pema

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema

    Coucouille Morigi: Rubyist?

    Coucouille Morigi: what is this?

    Pema Pera: oh, I like to program in Ruby :)

    Coucouille Morigi: ok i see

    Pema Pera: I guess that makes me an -ist

    Eos Amaterasu: We've been talking about (magical) qualities of retreat locales, and about intoxication (maybe PaB as intoxication)

    Eos Amaterasu: acts as Rubyist :-)

    Pema Pera: detoxification perhaps?

    Pema Pera: daily life as intoxication?

    Eos Amaterasu: letting go into being led by being

    Pema Pera: :)

    Wol Euler remembers the ancient expression "I don't need drugs, I'm high on life"

    Coucouille Morigi: wild subjetc

    Pema Pera: hehehe

    Pema Pera: (you write in Ruby too, Eos?)

    Eos Amaterasu: (T)


    Pema Pera: what did you conclude about retreat locales?

    Coucouille Morigi: and intoxication?

    Wol Euler: Cape Breton sounds like a good one.

    Coucouille Morigi: Cap Breton?

    Eos Amaterasu: I had mentioned magical quality of Cape Breton, whcih I just visited

    Eos Amaterasu: and mabye I'm still high on that :-)

    Wol Euler: [13:08] Eos Amaterasu: We went up to Cape Breton, which has some kind of magical clarity of perceptions, appearances [13:08] Eos Amaterasu: sky and grasses and mists, people and faeries

    Pema Pera: :)

    Pema Pera: sounds good to me, Eos -- when?

    Pema Pera: not in January, presumably?

    Coucouille Morigi: where is Cape breton?

    Pema Pera: Nova Scotia

    Coucouille Morigi: ok

    Eos Amaterasu: (just got back - Thanksgiving weekend here)

    Eos Amaterasu: The CAlifornia RL locale also had a vivid quality

    Coucouille Morigi: a good retreat

    Coucouille Morigi: ?

    Eos Amaterasu: Coucouille, there was a Real Life play as being retreat late August in California

    Wol Euler sneaks away to RL for a moment

    Coucouille Morigi: so

    Pema Pera: Eos, what time frame would you have in mind for Cape Breton for a retreat?

    Eos Amaterasu: Hmm... summer or fall

    Eos Amaterasu: winter can be tough

    Pema Pera: I would have guessed yes :)

    Eos Amaterasu: there's something about the quality of perceptions, that I think is very PaB - related

    Pema Pera: I remember visiting Halifax, and enjoying that very much

    Eos Amaterasu: a little detached from the normal fixated modes

    Pema Pera: for a conference, several years ago

    doug Sosa: how to bring the spirit of PaB into scientific meetings..

    Pema Pera: :)

    doug Sosa: this morning paul, whom i introduced here.. had the stanford biology faculty meet in the old pavilion.

    doug Sosa: how to slow down the chatter, get people more listening without boundaries..

    doug Sosa: i think we confound things here a bit because second life by itslef seems to have some Pab qualities.

    Pema Pera: hmmm, that is probably your impression because you haven't visited many other places in SL :-)

    Pema Pera: it may be good to randomly pick a spot on the map and try it out

    Pema Pera: visit a Gorean sim, say . . . .

    Eos Amaterasu: Is questioning appearances part of that, Doug?

    doug Sosa: right but they are not sitting places! (hey, where sould i go?


    Wol Euler sneaks back in mumbling apologies

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Eos Amaterasu: :-)

    Wol Euler: wb coucouille

    Coucouille Morigi: thx

    Coucouille Morigi: sorry i've had some problems

    Pema Pera: we all do, often, Coucouille :)

    Coucouille Morigi: so what i've lost?

    Wol Euler: you'll be able to read it on our wiki tomorrow :)

    Pema Pera: mot much so far :)

    Wol Euler: it's not lost, only misplaced

    Pema Pera: btw, how did you find us, if I may ask? randomly, or through a friend or notice somewhere?

    Coucouille Morigi: me?

    Pema Pera: yes, sorry

    Coucouille Morigi: pema..

    Coucouille Morigi: why i'm here

    Coucouille Morigi: ?

    Pema Pera: Hi Yakuzza!

    Pema Pera: yes, how you found us, in the middle of all of SL :)

    Fox Monacular: sorry computer froze:)

    Wol Euler: wb fox

    Eos Amaterasu: wb, Yak, Fox

    Scathach Rhiadra: wb Yakuzza:)

    Coucouille Morigi: you near of hangeul

    Coucouille Morigi: the first land we can visit

    Coucouille Morigi: ans i do this this very often

    Coucouille Morigi: i don't choose land

    Coucouille Morigi: i "click"

    Coucouille Morigi: ans i meet nice people

    Pema Pera: that's nice, that's exactly what I suggested Doug to do, to get an impression of SL in general

    Coucouille Morigi: or not

    Pema Pera: hahah

    Wol Euler nods

    Pema Pera: yes, I know the experience

    Pema Pera: (both ways)

    Coucouille Morigi: what happen with doug?

    Pema Pera: not much yet -- but if he goes reconnoitering, a lot may happen . . . .

    doug Sosa: he doesn't explore enough. too busy in the slums of RL.

    Wol Euler: awwwww

    Pema Pera: so how did the meeting go, with the biologists, Doug?

    Coucouille Morigi: me too but i try to meet someone new everyday

    Coucouille Morigi: in sl and in rl

    doug Sosa: i wasn't there, not on that faculty. i am sure i'll get a report before the day is over. but we have few other groups.

    doug Sosa: We find the careerists in science are the most anxious about it.

    Pema Pera: you're very adventurous, Coucouille!

    Wol Euler: anxious about what? about SL?

    doug Sosa: a few..

    doug Sosa: yes, having an avatar, apperaing silly. But the good ones seem to get it very quickly.

    Wol Euler nods

    Wol Euler: thats probably universally true, not just scientists

    Coucouille Morigi: i know some fun scientist

    Coucouille Morigi: héhé

    doug Sosa: strange, being so concerend about appearances and not wanting an avatar!

    Wol Euler smiles

    Eos Amaterasu: mabye the silly/play quality of sl feeds back into rl

    Coucouille Morigi: avatar not reflected you trully

    Coucouille Morigi: (sorry for my engilsh)

    doug Sosa: right but neither does the "appearance" they are so concerned to protect.

    Wol Euler: ton anglais est beaucoup plus mieux que mon français

    doug Sosa: oui, d'accord.

    Wol Euler: :-PPPP

    Coucouille Morigi: i see in Malte you learn french

    Coucouille Morigi: héhé

    Coucouille Morigi: oulala

    Wol Euler: en Canada, c'est presque le meme

    Coucouille Morigi: there is a lot of french speaker here

    Coucouille Morigi: fine

    Coucouille Morigi: c'est vrai

    Wol Euler: odd how people experience having a new identity in SL. It can be a gift of freedom, or a frightening thinig

    Eos Amaterasu: je dirais meme plus :-)

    Coucouille Morigi: ohohohoh


    Coucouille Morigi: For some people playing SL is a drug like poker

    Scathach Rhiadra: good night all:)

    Coucouille Morigi: And being someone else is an escape

    Eos Amaterasu: 'night Scath

    Coucouille Morigi: night!!!

    Wol Euler: bye scath, take care

    Pema Pera: night Scathach, and everybody!

    Wol Euler: bye pema, enjoy the evening

    Coucouille Morigi: bye

    Eos Amaterasu: 'night Pema

    Pema Pera: see you all soon again,

    Yakuzza Lethecus: night scath, pema

    Fox Monacular: I guess I'll go too... sl is too buggy for me today...

    Eos Amaterasu: :-(

    Wol Euler: awwwwww

    Wol Euler: bye fox, better luck tomorrow.

    Fox Monacular: yeah, hopefully:)

    Coucouille Morigi: so wol you know a lot french word i saw

    Wol Euler: well, I come from canada, we all learned it in school.

    Coucouille Morigi: ok i see

    Wol Euler: I don't know if that is still true.

    Eos Amaterasu must go, RL calls

    Coucouille Morigi: u not so bad

    Eos Amaterasu: bye all

    Wol Euler: bye eos, take care

    Wol Euler: hello storm

    Coucouille Morigi: bye

    Storm Nordwind: Hi! Late for this session I expect!

    Wol Euler: :)

    Wol Euler: you missed the rush

    Coucouille Morigi: hi storm

    Storm Nordwind: They were playing here?!

    Wol Euler: heheheh

    Yakuzza Lethecus: night everyone

    Wol Euler: double ping.

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