2009.10.14 19:00 - Honeymoon

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

      I was joined by Pila Mulligan and Paradise Tennant. Eventually Storm joined us for a lovely meeting discussing a variety of topics (in no particular order), seems you can touch on alot in an hour





    Notion of the ordinary

    past and non-past

    Tao Te Ching


    Streaming audio in SL


    Pila Mulligan: hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Pila
    Pila Mulligan: how are you?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;m good, office mate may ahve the flu
    Pila Mulligan: ahh, getting into the season, isn't it
    stevenaia Michinaga: had an interesting one on one chat with Eos last ight, sort of directed 90 sec of meditation...
    Pila Mulligan: this Chinese herbal pill actually works well for flu and cold symptoms -- http://onsaninc.com/index.php?act=vi...d&productId=56
    stevenaia Michinaga: I work better as a sous cheif when it comes to meditation
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Pila Mulligan: I know nothing about the store, just got the product from Google
    Pila Mulligan: I've stocked up on it in anticpation of providing it to freinds during flu season
    Pila Mulligan: I get from a plac ein Oakland
    Pila Mulligan: now, sous chef?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I mean takign the lead from a meditation chief, mixed metaphor I;m sure
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was trying to elude to how I senced things fro me when Eos was giving suggestions on what to meditatte on
    Pila Mulligan: do you meditate?
    Pila Mulligan: aside from tai chi
    stevenaia Michinaga: last night... for 90 secs :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: but as a practice?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, althoigh I seem to be in a meditative state when I work at times
    Pila Mulligan: porbably you are -- and also during tai chi
    stevenaia Michinaga: I call it drawing or design meditation
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: or cobbler meditation for those making shoes
    Pila Mulligan: it is similar
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Pila Mulligan: a contemplative state of awareness
    stevenaia Michinaga: focused and internally consumed yet free and creative
    Pila Mulligan: and also breathing :)
    Pila Mulligan: a familiar situation
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, and happy
    Pila Mulligan: this all leads to internal silence
    stevenaia Michinaga: when you it at a desk and the world is before you, it could be a pillow in a field ar a pavillion
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: Gandhi encouraged his followers to spin cotton, both as a meditation and for the reuslting cloth
    Pila Mulligan: http://cleantechnica.com/files/2008/09/image.jpg
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems it's unusual for most when work isn;t "the place to be"
    Pila Mulligan: maybe that corresponds to the culutral implications of the question 'what do you do?' -- almost always expecting the answer to be an occupation
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you meditat on a schedule?
    Pila Mulligan: yes, daily -- usually at 4 am if I can
    Pila Mulligan: hi Eos
    stevenaia Michinaga: before you sleep or after you wake?
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi gang
    Pila Mulligan: both
    stevenaia Michinaga: I enjoyed last night
    Pila Mulligan: 4 am is waking :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Interesting that Pema needs 6 hours of sleep but rests for 8 allowing for a gcreative 2 hour moment of rest, as I understand what he said
    Pila Mulligan: yes, I also found that interesting -- good idea, but his travels myust challenge the plan sometimes
    Pila Mulligan: hi Paradise
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like restful productivity
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Para
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Paradise Tennant: hiya pila steve eos :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi Paradise
    Eos Amaterasu: Where does he say that?
    stevenaia Michinaga: read it soemwhere, email perhaps
    stevenaia Michinaga: or a posting
    Eos Amaterasu: Being has a resting state
    stevenaia Michinaga: or ...resting has a Being state
    Eos Amaterasu: resting is not just empty
    Eos Amaterasu: it's full
    Pila Mulligan: people often seem to overlook how much time they spednin mundane time
    Pila Mulligan: just chillin
    Pila Mulligan: the more exciting things get more attention
    Pila Mulligan: but less actual time, usually
    Paradise Tennant: hmm rest is kind of necessary to balance ..when in gets out of wack ..nothing really works well :)
    Paradise Tennant: *it
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe it's like a mother's attention - watchful care, maybe nothin' happening
    Eos Amaterasu: but still sense of life
    Pila Mulligan: the Chinese seem to recognize a mundane constant, a kind of baseline of the ordinary that really defines most of a person's life
    Pila Mulligan: I beleive I have read there is actually a word for it
    Eos Amaterasu: not all life is woo-ing and wei-ling
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Pila Mulligan: lots of wooing among adolescents perhaps
    Paradise Tennant: just like the sound of those words !
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Eos Amaterasu: there is the notion of the ordinary
    Eos Amaterasu: what's already there
    Eos Amaterasu: all the time
    Eos Amaterasu: but we speed by
    Eos Amaterasu: Would anyone like to suggest a way to approach the next 90 secs?
    Eos Amaterasu: (heh heh)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmm, "http://www.arch.columbia.edu/tags/-ordinary
    Pila Mulligan: as ordinary?
    stevenaia Michinaga: found it when googling "notion of the ordinary"
    stevenaia Michinaga: thought there wold be a wiki page on it...grins
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Paradise Tennant: hmm .. somehow ordinary is a misnomer .. in the most basic thing is on some level quite amazing .. quite worthy of attention..
    Paradise Tennant: *even
    Eos Amaterasu: extra-ordinary
    Pila Mulligan: yes, that is a perspective matter
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I agree Paradise
    Pila Mulligan: hi Storm
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Storm
    Pila Mulligan: welceom to the 90 sec pause :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya storm ;)
    Storm Nordwind smiles to everyone
    Eos Amaterasu: <^_^>
    Paradise Tennant: we are talking of the ordinary and the extra ordinary :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Nice to see you at this hour Storm
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Pila Mulligan: this hour is now a little earlier for Storm than earlier this year
    Storm Nordwind: Yes this is an extraordinary hour for me
    Storm Nordwind: It is only 8:30pm since I emigrated
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Paradise Tennant: how do you like your new country :) your new hour :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;ve ben drinking my scotch with water, you (and others) helped me with that
    Pila Mulligan: later, actually i suppose, as it is early moring in Scotland
    Storm Nordwind shudders at the thought of adding anything to a good single malt
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: that will come next
    Storm Nordwind: My country is wonderful, the mountain air is rarified, the city is great, and newly married life is blissful!
    Paradise Tennant: ;) lovely
    Pila Mulligan: sound slike a honeymoon :)
    Eos Amaterasu: extra-ordinary!
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Pila Mulligan: may it last forever
    Storm Nordwind: I have a feeling this will be a honeymoon that will never end :)
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you Pila
    Pila Mulligan: amen
    Pila Mulligan: or perhaps aye, to be secular
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s something very easy to keep, speaking form 30 years of honeymoon
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Or och aye to be a throwback to my old home
    stevenaia Michinaga: or is that honey dew?
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: either is sweet
    Storm Nordwind: Does anyone know the (purported) origin of the word 'honeymoon'?
    Storm Nordwind: I guess the silence means 'no'!
    Eos Amaterasu: "the idea that the first month of marriage is the sweetest" (1546).
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeymoon
    Pila Mulligan: The Oxford English Dictionary offers no etymology, but gives examples dating back to the 16th century. The Merriam-Webster dictionary reports the etymology as from "the idea that the first month of marriage is the sweetest"
    Eos Amaterasu: - wikipedia
    Paradise Tennant: ;0 is sure steve is wiki ing
    Pila Mulligan: a ggole race :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: "the idea that the first month of marriage is the sweetest" (1546)
    Eos Amaterasu: freshness
    Eos Amaterasu: dew drop essence
    Eos Amaterasu: mist rising from the pool
    Eos Amaterasu: 9 secs
    Pila Mulligan: In many parts of Europe it was traditional to supply a newly married couple with enough mead for a month, ensuring happiness and fertility. From this practice we get honeymoon or, as the French say, lune de miel.
    Storm Nordwind: No one knows for sure, but one theory stems from Heathen and early Christian times in northern Europe
    Storm Nordwind: Yes you have it Pila
    Storm Nordwind: mead is fermented honey
    Pila Mulligan: wiki gets credit :)
    Storm Nordwind: About 15% abv
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s a short page
    Eos Amaterasu: you get to the essence in the first month
    Eos Amaterasu: the rest of your life you catch up
    stevenaia Michinaga: and it lasts a lifetime
    Pila Mulligan: Storm, did many traditional European culutres have dulaities comparable to yin and tang?
    Eos Amaterasu: "starting at the end"
    Pila Mulligan: yang
    Pila Mulligan: pardon the typo :)
    Eos Amaterasu: it's a good one!
    Storm Nordwind: hmm...
    Storm Nordwind: I'm a little tired and could be missing something, but I don't recall anything beyond male and female
    Storm Nordwind: and light and dark
    Pila Mulligan: Hawaiians had similar ideas charaterized as Ku and Hina
    Pila Mulligan: I've thought the naqual and tonal in the Don Juan books were also similar
    Pila Mulligan: just wondered about the European angle
    Storm Nordwind: I think that is a far more recent confection :)
    Pila Mulligan: yes, but the concepts are probably consistsent with some native american ideas too
    Pila Mulligan: the nagual at least
    Storm Nordwind: Many ideas were very different in ancient Europe
    Eos Amaterasu: Tolkien is pretty European
    Paradise Tennant: ") often presented as intertwined forming a whole
    Storm Nordwind: For example we did not have threefold time, but twofold, and it was unexpectedly different
    Storm Nordwind: It was past and non-past
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagual
    stevenaia Michinaga: We?
    Storm Nordwind: People saw the future as an opportunity to create a past they could look back on
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Storm Nordwind: We as in north Europeans
    Pila Mulligan: did Tolkien have a duality scheme, Paradise -- I don't rememeber
    Eos Amaterasu: That sounds about right :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Mordor
    Eos Amaterasu: lots of dulities
    Pila Mulligan: darkness
    Eos Amaterasu: dualities
    Eos Amaterasu: Balrog
    Eos Amaterasu: Gandalf the Grey => Gandalf the White
    Pila Mulligan: Hawaiians have different possessives for everything you have at the tme you are born and everything you have thereafter
    Storm Nordwind: The closest to north European cultural ideals in LOTR are the Roharrim
    Storm Nordwind: *Rohirrim
    Paradise Tennant: yes the good bad .. light dark .. beast ..beauty .. weak strong .. it was full of duality
    Eos Amaterasu: most knight-like?
    Storm Nordwind: Ah but a lot is missing in his works
    Storm Nordwind: Where is the spirituality beyond the fey-folk?
    Pila Mulligan: only in the darkness as evil, perhaps
    Paradise Tennant: it was in the quest it self
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Pila Mulligan: Hobbit Virtue :)
    Paradise Tennant: the desire for the well being of all :)
    Eos Amaterasu: there and back again
    Storm Nordwind: Ethics, perhaps, without the need for spirit as such
    Pila Mulligan: yep
    Paradise Tennant: well ethics is the path to spirit .. not the only path .not even always a well trod path .. but .. a path nonetheless
    Pila Mulligan: ethics is also a symptom fo approachng spirit
    Storm Nordwind: I would possibly say "a" path rather than "the" path, but I take your point Paradise
    Eos Amaterasu: Hmm.. that scene where Frodo and Bilbo are on the Morder border, despairing, and they see a star peeking through.... their spirits lift, they see through the clouds
    Pila Mulligan: seeing beyond one's self
    Eos Amaterasu: connection with light
    Paradise Tennant: connection with a team .. it was quite a team
    Paradise Tennant: of species.. temperments
    Paradise Tennant: skills
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like what I see here
    Pila Mulligan: let's not go looking for rings in the fountain then
    stevenaia Michinaga: lifting the spirit
    Storm Nordwind imagines Sam trying to do 9 second practice
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: imagines Gollum
    Storm Nordwind: o_O!
    Eos Amaterasu: (in the fountain)
    Paradise Tennant: sam would be great at it
    Paradise Tennant: a lesson in attachment
    Paradise Tennant: gollum
    stevenaia Michinaga: and letting go
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Storm Nordwind: I can imagine Meri and Pippin as guardians!
    Pila Mulligan: precious things lead astray
    Pila Mulligan: VErse 12, Tao Te Ching
    Twelve The five colors blind the eye.
    The five tones deafen the ear. 
    The five flavors dull the taste. 
    Racing and hunting madden the mind. 
    Precious things lead one astray. 
    Therefore the sage is guided by what he feels and not by what he sees. 
    He lets go of that and chooses this.

    Eos Amaterasu: What does the sage feel?
    Pila Mulligan thinks Gollum calling for 'my precious'
    Pila Mulligan: depends
    Pila Mulligan: this, per the verse :)
    Eos Amaterasu: this = being
    Pila Mulligan: could be
    Eos Amaterasu: it's not "this and that"
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Paradise Tennant: there is I think .. a rich .. understanding of reality in tolkien's story
    Paradise Tennant: it took him 20 years to write it but he distill a great deal of life into it :)
    Eos Amaterasu: and of finding reality in the story, and giving it reality through language, playing with that
    Pila Mulligan: the context is also important, as I beleive he wrote stories for his son while his son was in WWII
    Storm Nordwind: I must have thought so once too, as I must have read it many many times in the past
    Eos Amaterasu: he started way before WWII
    Paradise Tennant: me too .. use to read it every year for a long time
    Pila Mulligan: I've enjoyed them all at least half a dozen times, they consistently make good reading
    Eos Amaterasu: Read it to each of our kids
    Storm Nordwind: I alywas started in the middle (always from the same place), read to the end, and then from the start to the middle
    Paradise Tennant: curled up ..immersed in another world
    Eos Amaterasu: then they read it - multiple times
    Pila Mulligan: interesting approach Storm, why?
    Paradise Tennant: lovely thing to be able to share with your kids.. a wonderous story :)
    Storm Nordwind: Because what perks my interest was to read about a favourite character
    Eos Amaterasu: great language
    Eos Amaterasu: language makes alive
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: turning into pumpkin time.... good night, all!
    Paradise Tennant: yes getting late .. nite nite Eos :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Eos
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Eos Amaterasu: ciao ciao!
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off too
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: a lovely evening
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite steve :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: do the pillows reset themselves Storm?
    Storm Nordwind: Yes they do
    Pila Mulligan: bye Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Storm Nordwind: When all have gone
    Pila Mulligan: bye Eos
    stevenaia Michinaga: wish my LR wold do that
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Pila Mulligan: well, Storm, I met breifly with Fox, Arabella and Mick about our common area and the idea that emerged was a zen garden
    Paradise Tennant: would you like to do a quick mediation pila before we call it a night ?
    Pila Mulligan: sue Paradise
    Pila Mulligan: sure*
    Paradise Tennant: sorry did not mean to interrupt
    Pila Mulligan: maybe evena slow one :)
    Pila Mulligan: np :)
    Storm Nordwind: Lovely idea about the garden
    Pila Mulligan: yep, now to figure out how to realize it :)
    Storm Nordwind: You mean rocks and swirly sand?
    Paradise Tennant: while we are on question storm .is it possible to hook up a land radio to the urls on the plots?
    Pila Mulligan: I seem to recall someone saying 'ask Storm for help' :)
    Storm Nordwind: Yes Paradise, if you have a URL just IM it to me. It depends though if you want to keep changing it or keep it static
    Pila Mulligan: ah, nice -- I'd meant to find an appropriate music URL also
    Pila Mulligan: forgot
    Storm Nordwind: I think I have ambient something or other on mine!
    Paradise Tennant: could just keep it static if it is easier
    Storm Nordwind: That's fine. I can do it now if you wish
    Pila Mulligan: is it difficlut to do Storm?
    Paradise Tennant: okies one sec
    Storm Nordwind: Very easy if it's static
    Storm Nordwind: One moment
    Pila Mulligan: maybe you can tell me how so when I find one I can do it
    Pila Mulligan: please
    Pila Mulligan: Storm may have gone to find you
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    Originally written on 10:16, 15 Oct 2009
    amen, aye & och aye :D
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