2009.10.17 13:00 - What the Bleep

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    The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia.


    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pila
    SophiaSharon Larnia: You dropped out of the sky :)
    Pila Mulligan: hi SophiaSharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: how are you?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: welcome back Pila
    Pila Mulligan: trying again :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i came over the kira cafe before and when i tped hre i heard something
    Pila Mulligan: hi Yak
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Zen
    Zen Arado: Hi everyone
    Pila Mulligan: hi Zen
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that was just the reason why itped away again
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
    Zen Arado: you use emerald Sophia?
    Pila Mulligan lag is so bade here that my chat is taking about 15 seconds to post -- so I'll try just listening for a while to see if it imporves any
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I do, now i see you do too :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i didnt see your name before
    Zen Arado: yes I just downloaded it the other day
    Zen Arado: so you see my name in green like I see yours?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i like that you can download temporary textures thats why i use it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Zen Arado: temporary textures?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yep :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: free
    SophiaSharon Larnia: as many as you want
    Zen Arado: where from?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like normal in the linden client, except you check the box 'temporary', it only works in the sim you're in
    Pila Mulligan: hi Mick
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Mickorod
    Mickorod Renard: hi
    Zen Arado: Hi Mick
    Zen Arado: have to try that Sophia
    Zen Arado: what other way is it better?
    Zen Arado: talking about emerald viewer Mick
    Mickorod Renard: yes? never heard of it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: your inventory box is different, more options
    Zen Arado: someone told me about it the other day
    Mickorod Renard: I see
    SophiaSharon Larnia: has a radar for the entire sim
    Mickorod Renard: wow
    Zen Arado: what are the little red and green bars for in the top RH corner?
    Mickorod Renard: does it wiegh your avi down..more lag?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it doesn't seem to at all Mick, it seems to me to be the same os the linden client, and Zen, I'm not sure, I don't see those
    Mickorod Renard: where do you find one?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: http://modularsystems.sl/index.php?o...&id=3&Itemid=8
    Zen Arado: ha ha was loking for link myself
    Mickorod Renard: thanks
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no problem, i like to see how things look before i pay to upload them
    Zen Arado: I was told to make sure it was from modular systems
    Zen Arado: had to download 2 programs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, the other for voice
    Zen Arado: didnt use fast one
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: seems good so far
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ive only been back on the other one twice, both for voice
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I've been thinking a lot of a topic that was mentioned here a while ago
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if its possible to mindfully multitask
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and i think pab is fostering this idea of doing this
    Zen Arado: men can't do it anyway :)
    Mickorod Renard: true
    Zen Arado: od joke
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Zen Arado: is it a good idea to multitask in the first place?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but keeping a silence in your mind while you carry on your life is doing the same thing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not a task anyway
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Zen Arado: I tend to think you should focus completely on what you are doing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, when i do that i block out everything else
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont live in the moment, but for the moment when im done
    Zen Arado: I read somewhere that the brain doesnt really multitask
    Zen Arado: it just keeps switching from one thing to another fast
    Zen Arado: we are not parallel processors
    Zen Arado: more like sequential
    Zen Arado: ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
    Zen Arado: thats why it is dangerous to use cellphones while driving?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: id have to rea about that
    Mickorod Renard: because the police may run you off the road?
    Zen Arado: there was an interesting article in Tricycle about a mindful truckdriver
    Mickorod Renard: your wife may be recording the conversation?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    Zen Arado: he was having an imaginary conversation in his mind and hit a patch of black ice and had a bad accident
    Mickorod Renard: you may get your hands mixed up and think its the sandwich?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Ive been awake for a long time again, and am having trouble forming thoughts in my head, I'll post the log :))
    Zen Arado: ever since he uses driving as a mindfulness exercise
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thats actually not funny ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now
    Mickorod Renard: ]bye Sophia
    Zen Arado: bye Sophia
    Pila Mulligan: bye
    arabella Ella: hiya
    Mickorod Renard: hiya Ara
    Zen Arado: Hi Arabella
    Pila Mulligan: hi arabella
    arabella Ella: how is everyone tonight?
    Zen Arado: ok thanks
    arabella Ella: seems rather quiet here
    Zen Arado: and you?
    Mickorod Renard: ok thanks
    arabella Ella: i am fine thanks but busy as i travel early tomorrow morning
    arabella Ella: to warsaw
    arabella Ella: and it is 6 degrees there daytime ... big difference from here
    Pila Mulligan has a lag meter showing red, and so is mostly just listening :)
    Zen Arado: where are you now?
    arabella Ella: in Malta
    Zen Arado: ah yes big difference
    arabella Ella: still warm here altho we had plenty of rain
    arabella Ella: but still over 20
    Mickorod Renard: only a few days though Ara?
    arabella Ella: yes but
    arabella Ella: i need to find my coat and socks and all the stuff i never use in summer here :)
    arabella Ella: will definitely freeze
    Zen Arado: I watched an interesting video about the connection between mind and matter today
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    Zen Arado: got it on Facebook
    Mickorod Renard: can u tell us some?
    Zen Arado: but have to watch it again
    Zen Arado: it is an hour long
    arabella Ella: do you have the link?
    Zen Arado: http://vimeo.com/6503099
    arabella Ella: is it a ted video?
    arabella Ella: oh ty
    Zen Arado: no
    Mickorod Renard: great,,thanks
    Zen Arado: should have taken notes...
    arabella Ella: :)
    Mickorod Renard: can you remember just a little,,to wet our appetites?
    Zen Arado: he talked about ppl thinking about things and it having an effect on things miles away
    Zen Arado: the guy is a PH D student so he gives a lot of science backup
    arabella Ella: sounds a bit like quantum physics
    arabella Ella: in the video
    arabella Ella: what the bleep do we know
    arabella Ella: on youtube
    Zen Arado: yes he uses proof from that discipline
    arabella Ella: altho quantum physics raises many questions which it cant yet answer
    Mickorod Renard: I look forward to viewing it
    Zen Arado: he said we sren't controlled by our genes
    Zen Arado: this idea of the mind controlling the body seems to be coming up a lot lately
    Zen Arado: he says the brain is like a hologram
    arabella Ella: which implies?
    Zen Arado: if you lose some cells you still have all your memories
    Zen Arado: I initially thought it was a bit cranky
    Zen Arado: so didn't take it all that seriously at first
    arabella Ella: how could that be possible?
    arabella Ella: losing cells yet retaining memory?
    Zen Arado: this has been proved apparently
    Mickorod Renard: I always had a feeling that the body is just a host for the mind
    arabella Ella: but what comes to mind is for eg dementia
    Zen Arado: if you lose a section of your brain you don't lose a specific set of memories
    arabella Ella: loss of cells and loss of memory
    arabella Ella: altho yes the brain has demonstrated its plasticity
    arabella Ella: like with stroke patients
    Zen Arado: like a hologram contains all the info in just one small piece of itself
    Mickorod Renard: the brain sprouts more connections when confronted with new challenges
    arabella Ella: cool
    Zen Arado: sorry I can't give you more clear information
    Zen Arado: perhaps you should watch it and we can discuss
    Mickorod Renard: yes,good idea
    arabella Ella: good idea ... but later :)
    Zen Arado: my science background is not so good
    Mickorod Renard: but you did sufficient to interest me Zen thanks
    Zen Arado: I would like to hear other's opinions on this
    Zen Arado: he says it is a new paradigm..but they all say that :)
    arabella Ella: the ideas sound very similar to the ones in What the Bleep do we know and i suggest you watch it when you can as it explains quantum physics in simple terms
    Zen Arado: ah ye I got another book by that guy
    Mickorod Renard: simple terms that I couldnt grasp ;)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Zen Arado: thought he sounded very smug
    Zen Arado: didnt finish the book
    arabella Ella: but Mick we grasp the basics ... maybe not all the details if we dont have a scientific background ... as i dont either
    Zen Arado: it was amazing the way he healed himself though
    Mickorod Renard: I do forget lots too
    Mickorod Renard: sounds good Zen
    arabella Ella: oh so does it involve a personal specific experience of brain damage?
    Zen Arado: most of us in SL are pretty open to new ideas I guess
    arabella Ella: i should hope so
    Mickorod Renard: I like this fractal stuff thats coming more into light,,I wish I coukld understand more of that too
    arabella Ella: and mind and brain i find fascinating ... the physical and the mental
    Zen Arado: no Peniak is using a very general approach
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Eos
    Zen Arado: starts with the development of science from Newtonian to quantum physics
    Zen Arado: to fractals and holograms
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Mick, Ara, Zen, Pila
    Zen Arado: Hi Eos
    Pila Mulligan: hi Eos (laggy here)
    arabella Ella: Hiya Eos
    arabella Ella: I asked about personal experience Zen as you had said [13:54] Zen Arado: it was amazing the way he healed himself though
    Zen Arado: yes that was the guy who wrotew 'what the Bleep
    Zen Arado: I think
    Zen Arado: his name eludes me
    arabella Ella: oh
    arabella Ella: me too
    Zen Arado: he had a bad cycle accident
    Zen Arado: almost broke his neck
    arabella Ella: oh how sad
    Zen Arado: surgeon was going to put a steel rod to hold his neck in place
    Zen Arado: but he refused the treatment and healed himself by the power of his mind
    Zen Arado: took a big risk though
    Mickorod Renard: impressive
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but be aware bleep was highly criticized
    Eos Amaterasu: You can light your cigarettes, now :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eos :)
    Mickorod Renard: when it snows here next i was thinking of torturing some snow flakes,,,,will it bring me bad kama?
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Yakuzza!
    Zen Arado: 'Evolve your Brain' by Joe Dispenza
    Zen Arado: is the book and it is only mentioned in 'What the Bleep
    Zen Arado: Hi Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Zen
    Mickorod Renard: shall I paste what we were chatting about,,for eos?
    Pila Mulligan needs to be going -- bye for now :)
    arabella Ella: bye Pila
    Mickorod Renard: bye Pila
    Zen Arado: bye PIla
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pial
    Eos Amaterasu: u can Im me that, Mick
    Eos Amaterasu: bye Pila
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    Zen Arado: so do you think we can influence our bodies by what we think?
    arabella Ella: of course we can
    Eos Amaterasu: likely what we call thinking and what we call body co-evolve
    Eos Amaterasu: each other
    Eos Amaterasu: it's hard to think outside our body's proclivities
    Zen Arado: it is usually in a negative sense isn't it though?
    Eos Amaterasu: ?
    arabella Ella: it is funny though that we call our thinking and feeling our 'self' but then we say 'my hand' for example as though it is extraneous to our 'self' since it is physically part of our body
    Zen Arado: angry thoughts produce adrenaline and finally we have heart attack
    arabella Ella: and good thoughts produce a state of peacefullness and well being and health most times too
    Zen Arado: we can't get away from dualistic thinking :)
    Eos Amaterasu: so resting in some understnding of that pattern
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night
    Zen Arado: good night Yakuzza
    arabella Ella: i often wonder why is a lot of our thinking so dualistic ... not only where physical and mental are concerned?
    arabella Ella: nite Yaku
    Mickorod Renard: nite yaku
    arabella Ella: good and bad (evil)
    Mickorod Renard: proclivities,,,thats a nice word Eos
    arabella Ella: pleasure and pain
    Zen Arado: the legacy of Descarte?
    arabella Ella: etc
    arabella Ella: i sometimes tend to think that for example we would not appreciate pleasure if it were not for our knowledge / experience of pain
    arabella Ella: Descartes is only part of all that dualism
    arabella Ella: same for good and evil
    Zen Arado: he usually gets the blame:)
    arabella Ella: yes i often blame Rene too
    Mickorod Renard: maybe you could just have pleasure and more pleasure?
    Eos Amaterasu: then you worry you might lose it
    arabella Ella: a pleasure pill Mick?
    arabella Ella: night and day
    Eos Amaterasu: "how long does this pill last?"
    arabella Ella: seasons
    Mickorod Renard: I will take it any way it comes
    arabella Ella: friends and enemies
    Zen Arado: you can't define something unless it has an opposite?
    arabella Ella: or perhaps you cant appreciate?
    Eos Amaterasu: or you need opposites to say the truth
    Mickorod Renard: is pleasure at someone elses expense still pleasure?
    Zen Arado: sadistic pleasure
    arabella Ella: order and chaos
    Mickorod Renard: then it comes to pleasure defined by ethics?
    Mickorod Renard: or morals
    Eos Amaterasu: you can have ethics come out of Being
    Eos Amaterasu: as opposed to rules for doing
    Zen Arado: you can't have pleasure without pain it is taught in Buddhism
    arabella Ella: please say more ... Eos and Zen
    Eos Amaterasu: ethics not as prescriptive behavior, but how to be, and coming from state of being
    Mickorod Renard: well,,although I cant disagree in academic terms,,I also wouldnt like to say that Budhism is the answer to everything
    Eos Amaterasu: so for example "it is good to be here, no reason to leave" is somewhat just coming from being there
    Eos Amaterasu: vs coming and going
    Zen Arado: it isn't an answer at all :)
    Eos Amaterasu: I think experientially you find that both pleasure and pain are transitory
    arabella Ella: true
    Eos Amaterasu: and so not really fundamentally different from that point of view
    Eos Amaterasu: they both taste the same, bittersweet
    Mickorod Renard: I could really get into this line of discussion,,but I have to leave ;(
    Zen Arado: ok bye Mick
    arabella Ella: bye Mick
    Eos Amaterasu: Im afraid I do too, RL dinner, calls, sorry to be so brief, bbye all
    arabella Ella: bye Eos
    Mickorod Renard: bye Eos
    Zen Arado: bye Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Mick, Ara, Zen!
    Mickorod Renard: bye Zen,,good to see you
    arabella Ella: i must go too ... lots to finish off tonite and it is quite late already
    Mickorod Renard: bye Ara
    arabella Ella: bye
    Zen Arado: ok I guess i better go too then
    Zen Arado: bye
    arabella Ella: but
    arabella Ella: we must pick up the topic of physical and mental some other time Zen
    Zen Arado: sure:)
    arabella Ella: not sure if i will have internet in Warsaw
    arabella Ella: nite for now
    Zen Arado: nite
    (I was rather ill from lack of sleep, and had to leave early.)
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