2009.10.17 19:00 - Return of an Old Friend

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Pema Pera: Hi Arch!
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Pema
    Archmage Atlantis: Unusual time to be here for you
    Pema Pera: not for Saturday, since this is my weekly slot
    Pema Pera: but yes, normally I like to go to bed around this time
    Pema Pera: Hi Trish!
    Trish LittleBoots: hi pema
    Trish LittleBoots: how are you
    Pema Pera: Fine, and how about you?
    Trish LittleBoots: are you ok arch
    Pila Mulligan: hello Trish, Arch and Pema
    Trish LittleBoots: good a little sick but ok ty
    Trish LittleBoots: hi pila
    Pema Pera: Have you visited us before, Trish?
    Trish LittleBoots: yes
    Pema Pera: So you know that we record our conversations on our web log
    Trish LittleBoots: yes
    Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Pema Pera: hi Pila!
    Archmage Atlantis: Does having divine revalation count as ok *grin*
    Pema Pera: ?
    Trish LittleBoots: yes...smiles
    Archmage Atlantis: Sorry Pema. I did not expect you to be here
    Trish LittleBoots: got message from star was worried
    Pema Pera: How are things with you, Pila?
    The conversation briefly turned to weather in Hawaii
    Pila Mulligan: all is well, lovely day today, thanks
    Pema Pera: you said it rains more in Hawaii in the winter -- did that start already?
    Pila Mulligan: yes, kind of
    Pila Mulligan: the rainy season is ont well defined as to start/stopo time
    Pila Mulligan: but we are getting there
    Pema Pera: every day short showers, or more or less continuous?
    Pila Mulligan: yes to both on occasion
    Pila Mulligan: some monsoon rains
    Pila Mulligan: some pelasant showers
    Pila Mulligan: where I live aveagres about 180 inches a year
    Pema Pera: wow, that's quite a bit!
    Pila Mulligan: probably 60% of that is in Nov-Mar
    Archmage Atlantis: Sounds like FL a bit Pila
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: it is a rainforest
    Pila Mulligan: tropical areas seem to have these two season conditions
    Archmage Atlantis: But not a swamp
    Pila Mulligan: semi-tropical tto for FL
    Pila Mulligan: no aligators :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Yet, some kid will sneak one in
    Archmage Atlantis: It wll breed
    Pila Mulligan: yes, they do that, but fortunately they are caught before they can become establiahsed
    Trish LittleBoots: happens all the time
    Archmage Atlantis: Like the pythons here
    Pila Mulligan: usually the pets are released one at a time, so it is not as easy for them to establish
    Archmage Atlantis: Give it time, nature always wins
    And from there to Native Americans
    Pila Mulligan: Trish do many of your Sukelu group memebrs actually have Native American blood?
    Trish LittleBoots: yes many do but many also just wish to live the native ways and learn
    Pila Mulligan: yep, I am in the latter classification
    Archmage Atlantis: Which native amerind?
    Pila Mulligan: long time subscriber to Akwesasne Notes, when it wa spublished
    Pila Mulligan: Iroquois, now NAtive Hawaiian
    Trish LittleBoots: yes
    Pila Mulligan: Haudenosaunee
    Archmage Atlantis: Genetics points to 3 migrations
    Pila Mulligan: have you heard of John MOhawk?
    Pila Mulligan: late professor at SUNY
    Trish LittleBoots: name sounds familiar
    Pila Mulligan: he published Akwesasne Notes when it started
    Trish LittleBoots: oic
    Trish LittleBoots: k
    Pila Mulligan: went on toe be Dept Head in Ethnic Studies, I believe
    Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
    Pila Mulligan: very delightful person
    Pila Mulligan: hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Trish LittleBoots: hi steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Trish, Pema, Arch, Pila
    Archmage Atlantis: You have chosen the tatto Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: a gift
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, my partner
    stevenaia Michinaga: thought it would make trish comfortable :)
    Trish LittleBoots: ty
    Trish LittleBoots: yes i have one as well
    stevenaia Michinaga: you are wearing it
    Trish LittleBoots: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: I should put on my wings too
    stevenaia Michinaga: but don;t let me interrupt
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: you're not interrupting Steve
    Trish LittleBoots: not at all
    Pila Mulligan: Arch, I wonder if you were interested in saying more about your previous reference to divine revelation?
    Archmage Atlantis: Pema is gathering
    Pila Mulligan: if it matters, the recorder can be turned off for a while
    Archmage Atlantis: I would prefer it to remain on
    Pila Mulligan: that's the default option, nothing to do then :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Actually that is my topic
    Pila Mulligan: ok
    Trish LittleBoots: k
    A conversation about fear.
    Archmage Atlantis: Why do we chose secrets
    Pila Mulligan: privacy?
    Trish LittleBoots: people fear that which they do not understand
    Archmage Atlantis: Fear
    Trish LittleBoots: it plays yes
    Trish LittleBoots: in
    Archmage Atlantis: So fear, what can be done to me that I should fear?
    Pila Mulligan: depneds
    Pila Mulligan: ... on what you are afraid of
    Archmage Atlantis: Less and less
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I sit here in your presence and speak
    stevenaia Michinaga: when you no longer fear... what is really lost?
    Archmage Atlantis: That is whatI ask
    Trish LittleBoots: nothing imo you gain a freedom
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Archmage Atlantis: My sister is afraid
    Trish LittleBoots: fear is also a type of guard...but released in due time
    Trish LittleBoots: when one overcomes that which they fear
    stevenaia Michinaga: strage when you cannot understay why people fear something, Gay Marriage comes to mind, I always wonders what it maters to those who fear it, it the do
    stevenaia Michinaga: it does nothing to them
    Trish LittleBoots: true
    stevenaia Michinaga: uet their concern is real to them it threatens somehow
    stevenaia Michinaga: *yet
    Trish LittleBoots: that is it still fear of something that is not understood by many
    stevenaia Michinaga: opposite of fear... acceptance?
    Trish LittleBoots: acceptance and release
    Trish LittleBoots: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Trish LittleBoots: lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Opposite of fear is in the seconds
    Archmage Atlantis: practiced here
    Trish LittleBoots: to let one be who they are is truly...freedom
    Pila Mulligan: hi Eos
    Archmage Atlantis: Did Pila and Pema fall asleep? - I know I do that
    Trish LittleBoots: hi eos
    Pema Pera: Hi Eos!
    stevenaia Michinaga: acceptance, openness, appreciation, all have their own entropy about them, leaving their opposites in their wake
    Eos joins us, back from a late night outing.
    Eos Amaterasu: HI Pema, Pila, Steven, Trish
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: oh, & Archmage
    Pema Pera: it must be pretty late in Halifax by now, Eos!
    Archmage Atlantis: Well. Eos, have a cushion
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems we keep him up late often
    Eos Amaterasu: Just got back from a "Halifax Nocturne" evening, galleries and art places open late
    Trish LittleBoots: wonderful
    Pema Pera: sounds great!
    Pema Pera: Hi Hotaru!
    Eos Amaterasu: Wow!
    Pema Pera: Great to see you again, after such a long time!
    Hotaru Myoo: Hi Pema!
    And Hotaru joins us, an old friend from the very early days of PaB.
    Pema Pera: Steve, you are the only one here remembering Hotaru, I bet
    Pila Mulligan: hi Hotaru
    Pema Pera: from more than a year ago, back in the tea house in Rieul
    Hotaru Myoo: hi Pila
    Trish LittleBoots: hi hotaru
    Hotaru Myoo: hi Trish
    Pila Mulligan: nice outfit
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmmm, it has been so long, bearly remember
    Hotaru Myoo: arigato
    Pila Mulligan: douitashimashite
    Hotaru Myoo: this is a nice touch
    Pema Pera: you see, Hotaru, we have upped the ante from 9 sec to 90 sec, at least during our sessions here
    Hotaru Myoo nods to Pila
    Hotaru Myoo: I like that
    Pema Pera: it does make an interesting difference in the conversations, these breaks
    Hotaru Myoo: a bit of time to go form something to nothing and back to something
    Hotaru Myoo: from*
    Pema Pera: yes
    Pema Pera: how have you been, Hotaru, all this time?
    Archmage Atlantis: This is rude of me, but ask your RL body location
    Hotaru Myoo: ?
    Hotaru Myoo: aask it what?
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Hotaru Myoo: body where are you?
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: never mind
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Hotaru Myoo: ever mind
    Pema Pera: all mind
    Hotaru Myoo: all the time
    Eos Amaterasu: no matter
    Pema Pera: mind your body
    From Body and Mind to Nothing.
    Hotaru Myoo: has anyone read Nothing
    Hotaru Myoo: by Jim Sloman?
    Trish LittleBoots: no i have not
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, I've never read anything by him
    Hotaru Myoo: (is this 'ok' to talk about?)
    Trish LittleBoots: interesting
    Trish LittleBoots: i think all is open
    Eos Amaterasu: http://www.amazon.com/Nothing-2nd-Jim-Sloman/dp/1886779155
    Hotaru Myoo: it is about the nature of the mind
    Hotaru Myoo: always awake
    Hotaru Myoo: always chatting
    Pema Pera: I don't know the book, but I like the title!
    Hotaru Myoo: running away from death
    Hotaru Myoo: old
    Hotaru Myoo: but it keeps resonating
    Trish LittleBoots: a flower dies and is reborn...what is death
    Hotaru Myoo: how the mind is always in misery, because it can never be in the present moment
    Pema Pera: yes, that is a familiar problem . . . .
    Pema Pera: one reason we like the 9 sec practice . . . .
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: as humans...the mind can never truly play
    Hotaru Myoo: it hasn't any future or past in it
    Pema Pera: does the writer give hints as to how to get past those seeming barriers?
    Hotaru Myoo: seek the title..
    Hotaru Myoo: Nothing
    Hotaru Myoo: find the present
    Hotaru Myoo: Now
    Trish LittleBoots: live the moment
    Pema Pera: sound advice . . . but still may not be that easy to implement, or to know how to start
    Hotaru Myoo: the mind must have a purpose
    Hotaru Myoo: it is a hard thing to quiet
    Hotaru Myoo: so restless we are
    Trish LittleBoots: but the heart does not
    Hotaru Myoo: pur fear of annihilation
    Pema Pera: an alternative is to accept the disquiet and just watch it
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Pema Pera: but without adding more fuel to the fire
    Hotaru Myoo: understand
    Hotaru Myoo: and observe
    Hotaru Myoo: but that is the scientific way
    Hotaru Myoo: not the emotional
    Hotaru Myoo: we play into our heats
    Hotaru Myoo: our mind
    Hotaru Myoo: our fears
    Hotaru Myoo: to truncate it is to deny our hearts
    Pema Pera: we can respect emotions and really feel them yet not buy into them or get obsessed by them
    Pema Pera: hi Mary
    Trish LittleBoots: hi mary
    Hotaru Myoo: hi mary
    Pila Mulligan: hey Mary
    Mary Korpov: hi
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Pema Pera: well, I think I'll go get some sleep
    Pema Pera: good seeing y'all
    Pila Mulligan: bye Pema
    Eos Amaterasu: 'night pema
    I left the session at this point, so I will leave the rest of the chat log uncommented.
    Trish LittleBoots: gn pema so good to see you again....sleep well
    Hotaru Myoo: ditto
    Hotaru Myoo: nite P
    Eos Amaterasu: think I'll turn in as well
    Archmage Atlantis: Am I still here? My PC turned over, unplugged the network
    Eos Amaterasu: ciao, all
    Pema Pera: bye everybody
    Trish LittleBoots: nite eos sleep well
    Hotaru Myoo: good to meet all of you
    Trish LittleBoots: yes
    Trish LittleBoots: yes arch
    Archmage Atlantis: TY Trish
    Trish LittleBoots: yvw
    Hotaru Myoo: trish, I used to wear wings (in a former Hotaru life) they look great on you!
    Trish LittleBoots: thank you so much
    Trish LittleBoots: as do you
    Hotaru Myoo nods...ty
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice seeing you again
    Trish LittleBoots: nite steve
    Trish LittleBoots: nice seeing you
    Pila Mulligan: bye Steve
    Archmage Atlantis: Nice ejaculation departure. grin
    Hotaru Myoo: the new PAB 'place' is interesting
    Trish LittleBoots: very nice
    Pila Mulligan: have you met Strom Hotaru, he made most of this
    Mary Korpov: Kind of odd
    Hotaru Myoo: seems more of a 'power' place than the humble beginnings
    Pila Mulligan: Storm*
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: I know Storm from the "wayback'
    Mary Korpov: Strange mix of styles
    Pila Mulligan: he had some rl model in mind for this pavillaion
    Hotaru Myoo: he is quite a builder
    Pila Mulligan: not sure what it was
    Hotaru Myoo: ahhh
    Pila Mulligan: he is a good builder, indeed
    Hotaru Myoo: the circle motif is good
    Hotaru Myoo: but kinda clinical..
    Hotaru Myoo: ^^
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Hotaru Myoo: (I didn't say that)
    Archmage Atlantis: Mary, we enter a new era, the mix, it is the past brought forward
    Mary Korpov: I have no idea what that meant
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Hotaru Myoo: me either
    Hotaru Myoo: are you all listening to a stream?
    Mary Korpov: Stream of what?
    Archmage Atlantis: Hotaru, If Moon were here, you would be surrounded in plants
    Hotaru Myoo: audio
    Trish LittleBoots: so true arch
    Hotaru Myoo: yes
    Mary Korpov: not me, why
    Trish LittleBoots: but nicely done
    Hotaru Myoo: this place needs some vounteer plants between the stone
    Hotaru Myoo: life
    Hotaru Myoo: volunteer*
    Trish LittleBoots: last time i was here it did
    Mary Korpov: Archmage, can you explain that statement you made? I really had no idea what you intended
    Hotaru Myoo: about the past brought forward?
    Mary Korpov: yes
    Hotaru Myoo: yes, I am curious too
    Archmage Atlantis: This statement Mary, we enter a new era, the mix, it is the past brought forward"
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes I an
    Mary Korpov: I still have no idea what that means
    Pila Mulligan: it may have been a response to "[20:07] Mary Korpov: Strange mix of styles"
    Pila Mulligan: just guessing :)
    Mary Korpov: Yes, but I still have no idea what it means...
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes Pila
    Archmage Atlantis: A viseral one
    Mary Korpov: Apparently, I'm not going to find out, either
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, I did not say that
    Pila Mulligan: welcome Paradise
    Hotaru Myoo: oki...drop the veil
    Hotaru Myoo: hi Paradise
    Trish LittleBoots: hi paradise
    Paradise Tennant: good evening everyone :)
    Archmage Atlantis: It was quite simple to me, Mary
    Mary Korpov: Glad it was to someone.
    Archmage Atlantis: The artifacts here are of ancient design
    Mary Korpov: I guess
    Hotaru Myoo: yes, but...
    Hotaru Myoo: sterile
    Mary Korpov: I thought they wer eof modern design. They didn't have SL in ancient times
    Archmage Atlantis: They require new life to dontinue
    Hotaru Myoo: in an environment that is meant to stimulate communication?
    Hotaru Myoo: pfft
    Mary Korpov: Why do they need new life? Several of those designs are still used today.
    Archmage Atlantis: Good question
    Hotaru Myoo: oki...has Pema made a suggestion box?
    Hotaru Myoo: haha
    Archmage Atlantis: Let me think
    Trish LittleBoots: lol
    Mary Korpov: Who is "oki"?
    Hotaru Myoo: we want wood, straw, plants, water
    Hotaru Myoo: get rid of the stone
    Hotaru Myoo: oki is 'OK'
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Mary Korpov: Careful about the "we", there. I like the stone
    Archmage Atlantis: This world comes to an end
    Hotaru Myoo: sterile
    Mary Korpov: What world?
    Hotaru Myoo: no it doesn't
    Archmage Atlantis: It was a nursery of our life
    Mary Korpov: I wasn't aware that any world was comeing to an end
    Trish LittleBoots: newe beginnings
    Archmage Atlantis: You asked, I give you my answer
    Mary Korpov: Is this riddle night at PaB?
    Hotaru Myoo: ahh
    Hotaru Myoo: new beginnings
    Hotaru Myoo: that is something I'd like to engage with
    Hotaru Myoo: sure, why not
    Mary Korpov: what is?
    Hotaru Myoo: Mary!
    Hotaru Myoo: new beginnings
    Mary Korpov: I am completely lost. I have no idea what this conversation is about
    Hotaru Myoo: it is what it is
    Hotaru Myoo: what would you like it to be about?
    Mary Korpov: Now there's a cliche if I've ever heard one
    Hotaru Myoo: stike it
    Mary Korpov: I would like it to make sense; I don't care what it is about really
    Hotaru Myoo: oki
    Hotaru Myoo: let's talk about the mind
    Mary Korpov: which one?
    The conversation continued for a brief while beyond this point, but took a rather personal turn, so I decided to omit the last part here.
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