2009.10.18 01:00 - Hugs for everyone

Bertram Jacobus: hyy qt ! :-)
Qt Core: hi bertram
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: how are you today / this morning ? :-)
Bertram Jacobus: hello moon ...
Qt Core: quite good
Moon Fargis: morning bert , QT
Qt Core: hi ehm ... moon ? ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: ;-)
Qt Core: hi Stargate
Stargate Tone: Good morning Qt and bert
Bertram Jacobus: hy star !
Stargate Tone: (star has some news)
Qt Core: each time you do that i think about Lady Galadriel, moon ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: some news ? which ones ? :-)
Stargate Tone: (star hugged the abbot last night)
Stargate Tone: hearts
Moon Fargis: QT: please?:)
Bertram Jacobus: i don´t understand star ... sry ... (?)
Stargate Tone: do you know what abbot is ?
Qt Core: the Lord of the ring charachter and her relation with nature/woods (the grass is your "work", right ?)
Bertram Jacobus: i take a look in my dictionary but i think yes ...
Moon Fargis: QT: ahyes yes .)
Stargate Tone: well...met one last night and hugged him :)***
Bertram Jacobus: yes, i was right - but abbot from where or what star please ?
Stargate Tone: well...is it relevant his exact location ?
Qt Core: abbot as in friar ?
Stargate Tone: he was here in SL
Stargate Tone: hm
Stargate Tone: Moon knows better to explane abbot...would U Moon
Stargate Tone: (dont trust her english)
Moon Fargis: ahm ok
Bertram Jacobus: i think i understood you now star
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: Rev. Jiun Foster, SDPS is a Dharma Holder and Sondok Popsa in the Five Mountain Zen sangha. He is the Abbot and local teacher for the Great Cloud Zen Center in Cincinnati, as well as President of the Five Mountain Buddhist Seminary.
Moon Fargis: Jiun Bodenhall in SL
Stargate Tone: how is this moment to you other ?
Moon Fargis: yes we where up till 3 in the night ot talk wiht him a dharma talk hehe
Moon Fargis: koan talk atleast
Qt Core: ok, i was thinking about catholic friars... and one hugging someone is quite a weird image (especially if the one is a nice girl )
Stargate Tone: ah; might that be just the same with buddhist abbots...I think
Bertram Jacobus: ty. my life is hard since a few month or years as you know perhaps already star, but i think, also that has to be "ok" ... ;-)
Stargate Tone: so you have not got peace from that woman ?
Bertram Jacobus: no. sadly not
Stargate Tone: ok
Stargate Tone: well...I yes have met many high preasts too; from christian churc
Stargate Tone: chatolic and evanc. luther (that's in Finland)
Stargate Tone: they all have liked my hug
Stargate Tone: in RL
Stargate Tone: but I know it's not common for ppl to offer the hug to the person in such potition ...
Qt Core: i've seen clergymen hugging people, even bishops and archbishops and when you see it in reality is not wrong, the idea is somewhat weird (can't explain it better)
Stargate Tone: ah yes; it's commonly thought, that they are 'higher person'
Stargate Tone: not-allowed-to-touch
--BELL--
Moon Fargis: (brb RL call for some minuteS)
Qt Core: ok
Stargate Tone: but I've got truly loving 'hug back' from all them I've met in RL too, and just the same in SL...hm...have met only one abbot...but...there was this person as 'guru' in spiritual group; I felt will to sit on his lap, and he liked it...but all the other ppl around didn't...
Qt Core: not the higher position, just the celibacy idea that make you think they have to become unemotional to the level of almost becoming nonhuman
Stargate Tone: hm
Stargate Tone: how could they be 'nonhuman' ?
Qt Core: then you discover than most of them are the most human beings you may ever met
Stargate Tone: sure
Stargate Tone: ah
Stargate Tone: well
Stargate Tone: you mean that attitude that they would be 'above sexuality' ?
Qt Core: and emotion/simpathy too
Stargate Tone: ah...well...
Stargate Tone: few men has told me that they love me huge much, but they cannot 'touch' me the sexual way cuz they take me to be so holy.....
Stargate Tone: well...thinking my hugs ; dont 'include' sexuality ...but in case...
Stargate Tone: so sure not for the person I met only a moment
Stargate Tone: but you know what
Stargate Tone: you 'explaned' me much 'reasons' why it's not taken common ...to hug this kind of 'higher person'
Stargate Tone: well...met also such 'higher persons' who dont let anybody to hug them....
Stargate Tone: thought a lot of this 'hugging prob' which is kind of generall
Stargate Tone: as it's not any common way in Finland either for ppl to hug
Stargate Tone: but 'give the hand'
Stargate Tone: but as that is that if I 'take' the offered hand, I may see the whole life of that person...so...I prefere join hearts; not so much info coming into my mind
Qt Core: well, i'm not finnish but surely i'm not a hugging person
Stargate Tone: would you be angry if I'de offer you hug ?
Qt Core: no, i'm not paranoid like that ;-)
Stargate Tone: hearts
Stargate Tone: ty *
Qt Core: np, ty
Bertram Jacobus: (for the log : star offers qt a hug and he accepts) ... ;o)
Stargate Tone: hearts
Bertram Jacobus: then star offers bertram a hug and he accepts too :o)
Stargate Tone: ty *
Bertram Jacobus: yw ;-)
Qt Core: that reminded me a scene from several years ago
Qt Core: my sister went to a meeting of disabled people (she is one) with the pope (Jhon Paul II)
Qt Core: the pope shaked the hand to adults and hugged the children
Qt Core: when he webt to my sister starting a hug she stubbornly offered her hand: hey, i'm not a child, i'm 8! (or something like that)
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Qt Core: (and she IS a hugging person)
Bertram Jacobus: lol whaow :-)
Bertram Jacobus: so she did not like the pope ?
--BELL--
Qt Core: no, ahw wantet do be considered an adult
Qt Core: ahw=she, obvioulsy
Stargate Tone: can even feel her feeling
Bertram Jacobus: ah okay. silly me. my view may have made me partly blind ... ;-)
Stargate Tone: (experienced that she'd like to hug, but couldn't cuz she thought it to be the right only to children)
Qt Core: quite the opposite, the handshake a right of the adults, the hug a "concession" to children
Bertram Jacobus: opposite ? to what please ?
Stargate Tone: hm...feeling myself often as the child...
Qt Core: as in it is not a right for the children to be higged but a concession to them
Moon Fargis: re
Stargate Tone: wb _/!\_
Bertram Jacobus: "ok" ... that´s an oppisite ? :-) (but don´t want to insist - so take the question as rhetorical please if you like) :-)
Qt Core: a concession imply some frm of inferiority
Bertram Jacobus: ah ! ... ty for explaining ! now i know for sure what you / taht mean(s) ! ...
Stargate Tone: inferiority
Stargate Tone: concession
Bertram Jacobus: alemuudestaan ! :-))
Moon Fargis: hmmh?:)
Stargate Tone: well...as I've been in buddhism as long as I remember...and I remember up to very early age....
Stargate Tone: (having clear 'flash' when I was 2 weeks 'old')
Stargate Tone: and buddhism teaches of equality...
Stargate Tone: thinking that also specially in USA and France the 'idea' is in daily culture without any philosophy...
Stargate Tone: or religion
Bertram Jacobus: which idea ? equality ?
Stargate Tone: yea
Bertram Jacobus: why especially in the us and france ?
Stargate Tone: so...I've never looked at the state in society of the person I've felt will to hug....
Moon Fargis: morning fael^^
Bertram Jacobus: hy fael
Stargate Tone: Good morning Fael
Qt Core: hi Fael
Fael Illyar: Hi Star, Moon, Betram, Qt :)
Stargate Tone: but sure I've tried to feel if the person himself would like or not; in SL it's needed sometimes to ask
Stargate Tone: but never in RL
Moon Fargis: *munches some cakeÜ
Moon Fargis: how are you fael?
--BELL--
Fael Illyar: Yes, in RL you can ask without asking :P
Fael Illyar: I'm well and finally also without lack of sleep too :)
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Moon Fargis: *smiles*
Fael Illyar: how are you?
Moon Fargis: havng lack of sleep :)
Bertram Jacobus: i would like to ask a totally other question. may i change in this way ? : qt : how did you come to or find pab ? :-)
Qt Core: someone mmm, maybe arabella invited me here
Bertram Jacobus: and is there "a story before" ? i mean - spiritual interest or something like that ?
Qt Core: we were talking about places where discussion about religion were held and where there was bigotry/extremism/stupidity in general and told me about this place wjhere there was none of them
Bertram Jacobus: may i ask, from which religious direction you come ? and how intense your interest in "such topics" is ? :-)
Qt Core: i'm catholic
Stargate Tone: (she might not known the that star takes part too now and then...thinking that stupidity)
Stargate Tone: bigotry
Stargate Tone: extremism
Qt Core: my interest is most cultural
Bertram Jacobus: is there a goal in your interest ?
Qt Core: i should have one but no, feeling guilty about my lazyness in that
Stargate Tone: oh...
Bertram Jacobus: uh. i don´t share that qt (!!) :-)
Stargate Tone: well...hope you may get some concolation of buddhism teaching;
Stargate Tone: 'there is no goal'
Qt Core: even trying to believe that is a gola ;-)
Qt Core: goal
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Stargate Tone: so; you 'got it' :)***
Bertram Jacobus: iin contrary : i appeciate your seriousness as it seems to me and your simplicity in a very good way very much ...
Bertram Jacobus: because i don´t like too complicated ways anymore ...
Bertram Jacobus: had more then enough of them ...
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Stargate Tone: btw...
Stargate Tone: do you know why I want to hug so many ppl ?
Qt Core: sadly i'm quite expert in making simple things complex
Fael Illyar: to have a goal, one needs to know what it is one wants to happen.
Stargate Tone: ah; that's 'only' to be a human being Qt :)***
Bertram Jacobus: lol. but that is not to be noticed here qt ! (or ? did i only miss it?) :-)
Qt Core: we have a way to say it in italu "Ucas" it is an acronym for "Ufficio complicazioni effari semplici" (simple things complication office)
Bertram Jacobus: :o)
Stargate Tone: lol
--BELL--
Stargate Tone: well; among most of my friends we know the phenomena we call to be the 'deck of cards mixed up'....
Qt Core: So, star, why you love to hug so much ?
Stargate Tone: I always want to give love when I want to hug
Stargate Tone: that is to 'join hearts'....
Stargate Tone: in heart; there's always love...
Stargate Tone: but yes; I am aware that one of them most big probs in human life is that ppl are afraid of love
Qt Core: i suspected something like that ;-)
Stargate Tone: so...I dont hug just anybody
Stargate Tone: but yes; to 'complicate' things is also something I take to be more than natural and even needed
Stargate Tone: but sure not to 'stuck' into that....
Stargate Tone: and this phrase I thought to speak about
Stargate Tone: it comes naturally when one has learned something new and this new is to 'melt' with the former learning
Stargate Tone: is when the mind dont work out; 'nothing goes well'; things can drop from hands and all doings 'hit back'; some people take that to be the 'monday'...many 'names' is given to that phrase
Moon Fargis: morning
Fael Illyar smiles.
Stargate Tone: the better we can 'give up' to that phrase; just to 'let go' of everything, the more easier the worst day is over; the second is already more peacfull, and the third day brings the new clarity, new knowing; new strength to all there already 'was'
Stargate Tone: Then 'deck of cards' is again in the order *
Moon Fargis: i see^^
Bertram Jacobus: i´ll leave. ty for the meeting. enjoyed it very much. may be all beings be happy please ! and have a good time ...
Fael Illyar: Have fun Bertram :)
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Qt Core: bye bertram
Moon Fargis: have a nice day bert
Bertram Jacobus: fun ... a nice idea ... ty all again ... :-)
Stargate Tone: thank you too
Fael Illyar: Meep Meep
Moon Fargis: Meep Meep
Moon Fargis: ahhh well sometimes simple things are best QT like bread and salt
Moon Fargis: or bread and salt and tea
Stargate Tone: (specialy dark bread :)*)
Qt Core: don't really agree about dark bread but yes
Moon Fargis: ^^ brownbread
Fael Illyar: dark bread! :)
Moon Fargis: fullwheed bread
Moon Fargis: toasted
Moon Fargis: ^_^ *Nahm Nahm Nahm!* ^_^
Qt Core: without simple things we could not build the complex ones ;-)
Moon Fargis: :)
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Qt Core: (i'm expecially thinking about cooking)
Stargate Tone: btw; have thought often how such ppl who understand how SL works out and how to build and so, has huge knowledge of the whole Universe, even if they wouldn't notice to thought that themself
Qt Core: neo, matrix, yeah!
Moon Fargis: lol
Moon Fargis: well in a way we are in a matrix
--BELL--
Stargate Tone: yes; in RL and in SL
Stargate Tone: hm...thinking now that how it is in SL also needed to know how to look inside Avatar too...if some item has went into it...as well to look any item there is...
Stargate Tone: and how people dont even notice there fingers and hands functions when they use that knowledge...
Stargate Tone: 'it just happenes'
Qt Core: just try to walk being really conscious abiut your movements (or even worse explicity making those movements) only two option, being stuck or falling down
Fael Illyar: yep, no choice there but to trust you can.
Fael Illyar: if you lose the trust, you fall. Simple as that.
Stargate Tone: and sometimes there's this SL lag which makes one to fall...
Stargate Tone: or even crash...
Qt Core: Hi drakins, nice av, remind me of Saphira
Drakins Feldragonne: hellow
Moon Fargis: h drakins
Fael Illyar: Hello :)
Stargate Tone: Hello Drakins
Drakins Feldragonne: probably can remind about anything with "saphire" in its name
Qt Core: yeah, that too :-)
Stargate Tone: can you hug with that Av Drak ?
Moon Fargis: lol
Drakins Feldragonne: it looks funny but i did get a hug once
Stargate Tone: hearts
Moon Fargis: ah drak we are logging our talks here and put them into the webside, you mind if we include you ?
Drakins Feldragonne: oh, alright
Moon Fargis: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
Stargate Tone: ty
Drakins Feldragonne: i'm quite new and lost in here still though
Stargate Tone: hearts
Moon Fargis: ^^ yes its quiete huge wrld
Moon Fargis: world
Qt Core: np, drakins you can even being old here and still be lost, the place is too big ;-)
Stargate Tone: can also feel somewhere that 'now I found it; I'm not lost anymore' :)***
Moon Fargis: drakiis: how did you get in touch with SL? did you came here for a special purpose?
Moon Fargis: or just for having fun
Fael Illyar: (or just seeing what this thing called SL is?)
Drakins Feldragonne: well i've been in a similar thing called Furcadia for some time..casually, so was wondering how this would look like
Drakins Feldragonne: seeming like it was a kind of 3d version of that
Moon Fargis: heh
Moon Fargis: i see
Fael Illyar: Every place looks different. Depending on who made it :)
Stargate Tone: and even if the same person made several worlds :)***
Fael Illyar: anyone can make things here :)
Moon Fargis: yes you find almost everything in SL from Bondage clubs to buddhist teachings
Drakins Feldragonne: ooh, buddhist places? where? where?
Moon Fargis: ahh^^
Stargate Tone: lol
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Fael Illyar smiles.
Qt Core: beside the suggestion you are going to get the searchbox is your friend
Moon Fargis: well ehre s the play as being place its not exaclty pure buddhism place ,we gather here to talk about a short awareness meditation
Moon Fargis: we practise
Moon Fargis: where we hold in every 15 minutes for 9 seconds
--BELL--
Moon Fargis: but i lead a buddhist world in SL and also give meditations and babbles
Stargate Tone: brb
Qt Core: you just saw the 90 sec pause we use during the sessions
Qt Core: while during the rest of the day a 9 sec pause is better suited to our stressing days
Qt Core: just don't do it while driving or operating dangerous machinery ;-)
Drakins Feldragonne: hmm yes not a good idea to snooze while flying
Moon Fargis: hi vendy
Moon Fargis: ah
Moon Fargis: gone she is
Qt Core: time to go for me lunchtime approaching and cooking time even overdue ;-)
Moon Fargis: ^^
Drakins Feldragonne: have a nice meal then
Moon Fargis: happy lunch QT
Moon Fargis: see you soon
Stargate Tone: was wonderful to see you too again
Stargate Tone: _/!\_
Qt Core: ty all, ciao!
Fael Illyar: Good lunch Qt :)
Moon Fargis: hmmm drakins , one thing
Moon Fargis: SL is not intend to be a game
Drakins Feldragonne: more like a social enviroment i know
Moon Fargis: ^^
Moon Fargis: great so you all knwo what you have to then :)
Drakins Feldragonne: Furcadia was the same, basically just a few default landscapes for people to meet and talk in, rest were user-made "dreams"
Stargate Tone: ah yes; no enemies created by Lindenlab, but lags
Moon Fargis: morning yakuzza
Stargate Tone: but yes; some 'created' by them 'more laggy persons' in SL; just like in the 'other' human world
Fael Illyar: Morning Yak :)
Stargate Tone: good morning Yakuzza
Yakuzza Lethecus: morning
Yakuzza Lethecus: was a long good session
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least it seems to be ? :)
Moon Fargis: ^^ seems so :)
Drakins Feldragonne: oh right, are there something like default lands here made by Linden Labs here where people stay at when they don't have an idea of user-made places to be in?
Yakuzza Lethecus: dragons are drinking water ?
Moon Fargis: drakins: ah well hmm
Drakins Feldragonne eats lotus
Moon Fargis: there are sure some places if i could remember them :)
Moon Fargis: but the search button is usefull
Fael Illyar: eep, eating flowers :)
Moon Fargis: and the landmark i gave you will lead you to my places
Drakins Feldragonne: okie
Moon Fargis: where you can stray around when you need some rest
Stargate Tone: a moment pls
Moon Fargis: you will also find me from your friendslist :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye i just spawn were i left :)
Stargate Tone: I can also give two more open land LMs
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone
Fael Illyar: Bye Yak :)
Stargate Tone: as i keep my lands open
Stargate Tone: here is a small island and he dance castle
Fael Illyar: how did you find this place by the way, Drakins?
Drakins Feldragonne: castles! sweet
Stargate Tone: and on Carlisle there's 'something more' to see and spend time
Drakins Feldragonne: i landed in some landmark from the newbie place and flew straight forward in some direction where the map didnt end blind
Moon Fargis: :)
Drakins Feldragonne: saw foo..err i mean people and came closer
Moon Fargis: mostly they end blind becasue of the viewrange
Fael Illyar: Ah, interesting :)
Moon Fargis: if you press the Map button you can see where you are
Moon Fargis: and if youre zooming out you can guess what to explore .)
Fael Illyar: you can get a landmark for this place if you click one of the info signs here.
Drakins Feldragonne: that's what i did, just flew north from those 4 domes
Fael Illyar: along with a notecard detailing when there are meetings.
--BELL--
Fael Illyar: these meetings are recorded. Do you mind your words being published? (they won't be if you say no)
Drakins Feldragonne: signs in the lower left of a map square are land names?
Stargate Tone: (go for the coffee brb)
Drakins Feldragonne: oh i don't mind, don't seem to be saying anything private
Fael Illyar: anyway, there are meetings in here 4 times every day
Fael Illyar: 1am,7am,1pm,7pm Second Life Time
Drakins Feldragonne: in fact "adventures of a newling" might be good to publush sometimes
Fael Illyar: (you can see that time on the upper right corner)
Fael Illyar: 2:46AM right now
Drakins Feldragonne: yez, i see
Moon Fargis: well drakins: landmarks are stored in your inventory in the landmarks folder
Moon Fargis: also ca be selected at the map window
Moon Fargis: just doubble click them to teleport
Moon Fargis: the group i invited you into will give you some notices about my medtations
Moon Fargis: when they are held
Moon Fargis: so far tues,thrus at 12 PM SLT and saturday at 1:30 PM SLT
Moon Fargis: slt= Second life Time)
Drakins Feldragonne: :D
Drakins Feldragonne: fael found this too i see
Fael Illyar: wow, SL is being slow today
Fael Illyar: or internet connection is flaky.
Drakins Feldragonne: better than yesterday eve, i couldnt get the ao for this avatar to work
Stargate Tone: b
Moon Fargis: wb
Fael Illyar: wb :)
Fael Illyar: yes, that's better :)
Fael Illyar: where are you from? if you don't mind me asking :)
Drakins Feldragonne: well, off to more exploring then, peace with yers
Moon Fargis: ^^
Moon Fargis: well its mealtime also for me in RL
Moon Fargis: so ill set my av for rest
Fael Illyar: I'll go afk too.
Moon Fargis: see you soon :)
Fael Illyar: see you later :)
Stargate Tone: _/!\_