2009.10.25 07:00 - All Shook Up

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    Eliza Madrigal: Morning Friends :)
    Adams Rubble: Good morning Eos :)
    Adams Rubble: Good mornign Eliza :)
    Eos Amaterasu: splash!
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Eliza, Adams....
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: You have gift-wrapped yourelf, Eliza :-)
    I was still feeling a bit moved by my epxerience meeting some of the people in the Qwaq group yesterday and tried to tell why
    Adams Rubble: I had an interesting trip to Princeton yesterday
    Eliza Madrigal giggles...yes seems so
    Eos Amaterasu listens to Adams
    Adams Rubble: We spent an hour explaining PaB to the Qwaq people
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, interesting
    Eos Amaterasu: walks like a duck.....
    Adams Rubble: and them listened for an hour to the Qwaq people describing their experience
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: yes interesting parallel
    Eliza Madrigal: And what did you discover?
    Eos Amaterasu: was this _in_ Qwaq?
    Adams Rubble: it looks and walks much like PaB
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm
    Adams Rubble: no this was in Real Life
    Eos Amaterasu: Qwaq is more biz-oriented SL thingy
    Adams Rubble: Yes
    Adams Rubble: Do you know Pema started there?
    Eos Amaterasu: I heard....
    Eliza Madrigal: I think I read that in The Chronicles
    Adams Rubble: and Steven has kept a group going
    Eos Amaterasu: My sister is evaling Qwaq for the company she works for
    Adams Rubble: hehe Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: One difference is that the small group stayed together
    Adams Rubble: whereas PaB is constantly seeing new people
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, is the format as open?
    Adams Rubble: it is a challenge for us
    Eos Amaterasu: So it's a tight group studying with Steven?
    Eliza Madrigal: It is a challenge, but a gift also, no?
    Adams Rubble: yes Eliza
    Adams Rubble: you two are wonderful examples
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: (newbies :-)
    Adams Rubble: new energy coming into the group
    Eliza Madrigal: eternally newbie :)
    Adams Rubble: well, not so new any more :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Shhh
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm in the present, as Eos said... gift wrapped
    Adams Rubble: I think was what the neatest part is seeing they were nice people doing somewhat the same thing in a slightly different way
    Adams Rubble: I felt invigorated from that
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that's wonderful
    Eliza Madrigal: Is this something Pema keeps up with as well?
    Eos Amaterasu: What are they doing, that's PaB-like?
    Eliza Madrigal: He must have holograms :)
    Adams Rubble: No, Pema moved here
    Eliza Madrigal: er...avs
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh
    Adams Rubble: Eos, I think in answer to your question, exploring together and growing together
    Adams Rubble: There also is a practice group
    Eliza Madrigal: with pauses?
    Eos Amaterasu attends....
    Adams Rubble: no, it is a different format in that sense
    Adams Rubble: ohh, I did not know that Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: (no, don't mean I attend their practice group :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: a cool drink of water this morning... that stop
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Please go on if you like Eos but in the meantime I am going to share an experience I am having
    Eos Amaterasu listens
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    During the 90 second bell I close my eyes and there are trees moving across my vision. This is the third time this has happened and so I bring it up
    Adams Rubble: I am going to paste in three exerpts from my blog
    Adams Rubble: tghe first: yesterday: 2. APAPB. I close my eyes briefly and see trees with reddish brown leaves going by as if I am on a train. I open them to write this and when I close then again, they are gone. Just a brief appearance reminding me that I am in motion.
    Adams Rubble: the second, early this morning: I close my eyes and, similarly to yesterday, I see trees passing before my eyes. This time, however, I am traveling in a different direction, the trees have no branches and there is a pinkish tone to the appearance.
    Adams Rubble: the third, jujst now during the 90 seconds: What is this? I close my eyes and the trees have become more abstract and there is red with the pink. At first it does not look like trees but on a closer look it is trees. They are passing more slowly this time.
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, inner seasons, Adams?
    Adams Rubble: I don't know, I just closed my eyes and number 3 is still there
    Adams Rubble: I am very tored
    Adams Rubble: tired
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: this may look familiar:
    Eliza Madrigal:
    In spring, hundreds of flowers,
    In summer, refreshing breeze.
    n autumn, harvest moon,
    In winter, snowflakes accompany you.
    If useless things do not hang in your mind,
    Every season is a good season.
    - Mumon (1183-1260)

    Eos Amaterasu: Interesting to have a dialog with your own imagery
    Eos Amaterasu: ongoing relationship, as well as "real" preceptual relationship with "RL"
    Eos Amaterasu: I'm starting to appreciate more imagery as visually experienced as a form of language
    Eos Amaterasu: as real as words
    Adams Rubble: yes, it can be
    Adams Rubble: The motion seems significant to me
    Eos Amaterasu: this floating world
    Adams Rubble: yes, from my perspective the world is moving and I am still
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: seems dreamy to me... inner weather and movement
    Eliza Madrigal: underlying outward 'ordinariness' perhaps
    Eliza Madrigal: and someone still, just noticing
    Adams Rubble: the trees are very much alike in each one of them
    Eos Amaterasu: Also, "The world moves on a womans hips The world moves and it swivels and bops"
    Eos Amaterasu: (Talking Heads)
    Adams Rubble: but changed drastically beweent
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, sometimes when we stop deeply, we are more aware of the movement around us
    Eos Amaterasu: observer ..... continuity of imagery.... bigger chaotic/chaordic world

    A fourth variation...
    Adams Rubble: That time I briefly saw the tree branches thicker, the color had become more bluish to a purple and the seemed to be snow on the branches
    Adams Rubble: but this time it was very brief
    Adams Rubble: and I could not bring it back once it was gone
    Adams Rubble: it seems to come from a different part of my brain
    Eliza Madrigal: :) such nice detail to notice Adams
    Adams Rubble: like another channel coming in
    Adams Rubble: over the main channel
    Eliza Madrigal: dream channels
    Eos Amaterasu: We seem to live on many levels
    Eliza Madrigal wonders if this is related to the dreaming when awake others talked about after retreat last time... when these kinds of images seep in so strongly
    Eliza Madrigal nods yes that's true Eos... and like layers of stillness and motion
    Eliza Madrigal: all at once
    A form of stopping
    Eos Amaterasu: a bit of suspension allows some levels to come through - the PaB pause, or in sleep paralysis involuntary suspension, detachment from motor control
    Eliza Madrigal: when words don't make sense, or seem to have run course...
    Adams Rubble: It is interesting what we see when we watch ourselves
    Adams Rubble: hmmm Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you know that's how I came into meditation. I prayed and prayed until it didn't make sense anymore... and then all was quiet
    Adams Rubble: I am in such a place :)
    Eliza Madrigal: and that seemed right
    Eos Amaterasu: and then there are mountains and rivers, leaves and trees
    Adams Rubble referring to words not making sense
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Adams Rubble: and seasons
    Eos Amaterasu: sometimes you can _be_ those seasons
    Eos Amaterasu: then you are the deity of that
    Eos Amaterasu: http://radio3.cbc.ca/play/concert/Ji...-01/Saskatoon/
    Adams Rubble: I am in a period of wakefulness
    Adams Rubble: and Stim suggested that it may be toied to thr seasons
    Jill Barber and Prairie Seasons
    Eos Amaterasu: Jill Barber becomes the prairie seasons, Saskatoon: http://memer.com/blog/?p=33
    Eliza Madrigal: :) natural awakenings
    Eos Amaterasu: presencing of not just yourself but your world
    Eliza Madrigal: that's beautiful writing, Eos :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Adams, this is quite an exploration you are engaged in!
    Eos Amaterasu: Do you relate it to what you previously said about Tara imager?
    Eos Amaterasu: imagery
    Adams Rubble: I am moving along very quickly Eos
    Adams Rubble: I don't think this is related but who knows
    Adams Rubble: The brush with Tara seemed to be a way of forcing me to look at the way I use my avatar as a spirit guide
    Adams Rubble: that it has been undisciplined
    Eos Amaterasu: I think SL can provoke that level of imagination, visualization, where we project our own body/spirity/self image
    Adams Rubble: and that I have drawnb some wrong conclusions
    Adams Rubble: yes Eos, and it is very new
    Eliza Madrigal: it can be a distillation it seems
    Adams Rubble: we don;t have exact guides for what we experience
    Eliza Madrigal nods, just notes someone has shared along the way
    Adams Rubble: so maybe it is possible that things may happen more quickly in some ways
    Adams Rubble: maybe getting head of toher things
    Eos Amaterasu: in vajrayana buddhism this is called the "body of speech" -which includes words and images and tangibility in all senses
    Adams Rubble: Hello Wol :)
    Eos Amaterasu: HI Wol
    Adams Rubble: You have come a long way :)
    Wol Euler: hello eliza, adams, eos
    Eliza Madrigal: Some have very definite rules/ideas of how explorations should be conducted. What when the explorations come to us and we follow and then hear there should have been rules?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, Hi Wol!
    Wol Euler: I have indeed, and am not really here yet :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ;)
    Wol Euler: as I suspected: possible but painfully slow.
    Wol Euler: (please continue)
    Eliza Madrigal: That was my whole thought. An open question
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: To be really personal the explorations have to be our own
    Eos Amaterasu: if they don't have an "unprecedented" quality then they can't shake us up
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble is all shook up
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Adams is stil and the world is shook up :-)
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Eos Amaterasu: Fox described an intense journey she recently made in her dreams
    Eos Amaterasu: going throiugh a progressive series of dying in her dreams
    Adams Rubble: wow
    Adams Rubble: that can shake one up
    Eliza Madrigal: unless it comes to seen somehow ordinary
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, shook up beyond RL, SL, DL
    Eos Amaterasu: that would be the best ordinary :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Rubble: what is DL?
    Eos Amaterasu: Dream Life
    Adams Rubble: thanks
    Eos Amaterasu: Fox studies dreams and sleep paralysis
    Adams Rubble nods
    Eos Amaterasu: It's interesting that we can learn by interacting with out own imagery :-)
    Dreaming PaB
    Eliza Madrigal: Did I tell you you were in a dream of mine Eos? Quite an SL picture.... it had to do with layers of air
    Eliza Madrigal: I was swimming upwards through various kinds of air, and you made a bubble above that I jumped into. Hahah
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It was after a late pab conversation when we were playing tai chi with pila
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: "you can be in my bubble if I can be in yours" :-)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Adams Rubble: It is a way to know you are dreaming as eliza when someone from PaB appears in your dream
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe...that happens often... think I'm always dreaming
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Shall we repair to the Village Hall?
    Eliza Madrigal: Most of the time I learn something when someone from PaB appears in a dream
    Eos Amaterasu: Oh yes
    Eliza Madrigal spies the time
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay :)
    Adams Rubble: before the fountain goes off (giggles)
    Eliza Madrigal: ahhah
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