2009.10.25 19:00 - Passing

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.


    stevenaia Michinaga: hi doug
    doug Sosa: sorry steve, bad driving :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: ??
    stevenaia Michinaga: you drove here?
    doug Sosa: no, bumpting into you as we arrived :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: the joys of not rezzing, I never saw you coming
    stevenaia Michinaga: so ahve you given any additioanl thought about merging PaB practice with your brain trust to resolve the globle warming crisis... if I understand what you were thinking the other night?
    stevenaia Michinaga: (not to oversimplify, ofcourse)
    doug Sosa: well, i started with the issue; lying vs, realism. that is the point of contact. i think i might try the 90 sec every fifteen minutes though.
    doug Sosa: what i wanted was to explore the experience of being caught between perception and being helpful.
    stevenaia Michinaga: for you or as a group excercise?
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Arch
    doug Sosa: for myself first.
    doug Sosa: arch i think that is distracting, thoughts?
    stevenaia Michinaga: what was it?
    doug Sosa: ah, better.
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes
    Archmage Atlantis: it was
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Pila
    Paradise Tennant: hiya steve,,, doug .. arch .. pila :)) gtsy
    Pila Mulligan: greetings folks
    doug Sosa: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I had considered what your intensions were... was to creat an environment for the cretive flow of new ideas to be applied to the problem by offering percetual changes in reality through PaB
    Paradise Tennant: lol that is a mouthful .. :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: as a tool of sorts
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, editing in this little window is always a treat
    Paradise Tennant: in fact a lifefull really :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: then there is the editing problem
    doug Sosa: you know, that lagugae doesn't get me. It stats with the issue of being caught. what really is that xperience, how does it look in 9 sec? and from thee to slowly model, not explicitly perhaps, the fifteen minute reflections.
    doug Sosa: It will have to emerge not be imposed.
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: I thank that was a tough conversation to walk into the middle of considering it began several days ago
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    doug Sosa: Piet's original impulse was to loosen up scientists in their thinking, less concepts, more experience.
    doug Sosa: So thinking about the interpaly between science and public policy for climate change seems like a anatural.
    doug Sosa: but maybe the issue is broader. what to do when domins of thought overlap? Right now it is the way finance, politcs, tech innovation, and climate effects merge.
    doug Sosa: For me persoanally the 9 sec has been a big help in not panicking.
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice
    Archmage Atlantis: i like that observation Doug, to not panic
    Archmage Atlantis: Haiving a bad hair day, so sorry
    Paradise Tennant: I talked to a woman to day who had survived cancer .. she thinks largely through meditation... a chanting meditation she would do with her circle of friends .. the connnection ..the love... she is convinced help her survive
    Pila Mulligan: I watched a YouTube video of Piet's addressing a sceince seminar about loosening up in their scientistific thinking -- some reacted with antagonism
    doug Sosa: Hm, i talked to a friend's wife today. he is slowly dying of cancer, just becoming ephemeral. not pain, but sleeps 22 hours a day, not much energy for a phone call.
    doug Sosa: his kids have arrived from spain and mass, so i think his wife thinks it is the end.
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you have a link, Pila?
    doug Sosa: 55 year friendship.
    Paradise Tennant: I am sorry doug painful to watch a friend suffer
    Archmage Atlantis: I wish to say this correctly
    Archmage Atlantis: We do not die
    doug Sosa: but, taoism for years, watching life, you know it is not so hard.
    Paradise Tennant: ;) death and birth are kind of a just really big 9 sec :)
    Pila Mulligan: Steve: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ent=firefox-a#
    Paradise Tennant: *a
    doug Sosa: yes, in important ways. but it is the living one must grieve for in a death, they are left bereft, the dead are absorbed inbeing without a new trace.
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes
    Paradise Tennant: yes our sorrow .. emerges from our own loss :)) still find I miss being able to have tea with my dad.. very personal .. gaps in your life emerge when you lose loved ones :0
    Pila Mulligan: the nostalgia part
    Paradise Tennant: yes the love ..
    Paradise Tennant: the shared memory ..jokes ..the laughter
    doug Sosa: thanks for the piet video. i am going to have to go for dinner, pack and airport in the early morning..
    Paradise Tennant: when I get really soppy I make a coke float his remedy for what was the problem :0
    doug Sosa: bye for now.
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s the love that keeps those who have gone alive
    Paradise Tennant: yes nite nite doug
    Archmage Atlantis: I accept scientific method and logic as the best tools we have
    Paradise Tennant: *ever
    Archmage Atlantis: They are only tools
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Fox
    Archmage Atlantis: If yoy guys have nothing to say, well
    Paradise Tennant: hiya fox
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Pila Mulligan: hi Foix
    Fox Monacular: Hello Steve, Paradise, Pila, Archmage
    Pila Mulligan: fox*
    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings strong human, Fox
    Paradise Tennant: silence sometimes .. speaks volume :) there is a lot to be gained by being still :) it give you space ;) just takes a while to be comfortable with it :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: then is settles, or arises
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: my dad was a quaker
    Paradise Tennant: there meetings are kind of different
    Archmage Atlantis: My friends iin PA were quaker
    Paradise Tennant: you sit in around a fire .. no one speaks until they feel .. they have something to say that is geniunely linked to their divine nature within ..
    Paradise Tennant: so lots of long silences
    Archmage Atlantis: They chose it
    Paradise Tennant: I use to fall a sleep as akid
    Paradise Tennant: dad would pinch me .. if I snored lol
    Archmage Atlantis: They were a gay couple
    Paradise Tennant: yes quakers are very well orgnized to a lot of peace brokering . big world wide orgnanization
    Archmage Atlantis: Lots to think of
    Paradise Tennant: rich culture
    Paradise Tennant: of being peaceful
    Paradise Tennant: respectful
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds so simple
    Archmage Atlantis: The AnaBapstists and the plain people see that
    Paradise Tennant: the most profound is often the most simple really
    stevenaia Michinaga: I often find that the simple is never a short path
    Paradise Tennant: ahh yes because we always diverge into the more complicated path .. our monkey brains love complicated .. so you never stay true to it long enough to know who short and direct it really is :))
    Paradise Tennant: *how
    Archmage Atlantis: Paradise, interesting choice of name btw, we are monkeys
    stevenaia Michinaga: but the simple or simpler result (thought or solution) sems to always make itself appearent,
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Archmage Atlantis: Always asking
    Archmage Atlantis: I do believe the hebrew, roman, and christian book agree on that
    stevenaia Michinaga: agree on what? Always asking?
    Archmage Atlantis: The tree of knowlege
    Archmage Atlantis: The hill of Promethius
    Fox Monacular: sorry everyone, can't stay this time
    Pila Mulligan: bye Fox
    Fox Monacular: see you all next time
    Pila Mulligan: hi Serendipity
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Serendipity
    Serendipity Seraph: hi
    stevenaia Michinaga: Have you been here before?
    Archmage Atlantis: Thank you for staying Paradise
    Serendipity Seraph: no. I haven't.
    Archmage Atlantis: Women are often not given credut
    stevenaia Michinaga: let me welcome you to the PaB disccusssion group we record our conversations and post them on the groups Wiki site, is it ok to include your
    stevenaia Michinaga: part
    Serendipity Seraph: sure
    Paradise Tennant: hiya serendipitty
    Serendipity Seraph: greetings all.
    stevenaia Michinaga: The notecard will give you some background as will the wiki
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: our meetings are usually an hour or so and this one may end shortly, but we meet 4 times a day and you are welcome at any of out meetings, at 7 am, 1 AM, 7PM and 1 PM here
    Serendipity Seraph: this group looks very interesting.
    Archmage Atlantis: What time is it in Hiwaii>'
    Pila Mulligan: 5:00 pm
    stevenaia Michinaga: simply put we dicuss the narture of reality
    stevenaia Michinaga: discuss
    Serendipity Seraph: However I am being paged elsewhere rather urgently so I will have to come some other time.
    stevenaia Michinaga: come again
    Pila Mulligan: bye for now Sere
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, I do not contol this planet, much less this gajaxy
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite ser
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, pls continue
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Pila, Paradise and Arch
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite steve :) have a good week
    Pila Mulligan: bye Steve
    Archmage Atlantis: He is kinda hot
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Oops
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Paradise Tennant: how have you been arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Back to being old
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Paradise Tennant: well .. being old is likely better than the alternative .. my dad said no matter how old you are .. you still have moments where you feel 19 inside .. and wonder who that is in themirror
    Archmage Atlantis: Jump is the song playing
    Archmage Atlantis: But sung by a young artist
    Paradise Tennant: :) good song!
    Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps we have made a difference in this world
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. every lovig thought you send out into the universe I am convinced changes something ..even if it is only you :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Then women and gay men and intersexed people will sit at the front of the table
    Archmage Atlantis: With straight me who do not fear
    Paradise Tennant: yes people are people !
    Archmage Atlantis: And my animals, Paradise< they ask me will they have a place also
    Paradise Tennant: do you find it a challenge being gay arch .. harder path to trod
    Paradise Tennant: Yes
    Paradise Tennant: have to stop eating them first lol
    Paradise Tennant: did not mean to add that lol ..
    Archmage Atlantis: They understand
    Paradise Tennant: hmm you think
    Archmage Atlantis: They give so we can be strong
    Archmage Atlantis: It is a team effort
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    Archmage Atlantis: Why do young men go to die in war?
    Paradise Tennant: never understood that would send a no can come back to that invitation
    Archmage Atlantis: They go to protect
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    Paradise Tennant: likes the ribbons
    Archmage Atlantis: To me they are streams of light
    Paradise Tennant: they are beautiful
    Archmage Atlantis: I think so also
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Pila Mulligan slips off to rl -- bye for now
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite pila
    Archmage Atlantis: They come to me from Grendels Children
    Paradise Tennant: ahh kk wonderful shop
    Archmage Atlantis: Do you wish tosee them, or shoud I turn them off
    Paradise Tennant: hm as you wish
    Paradise Tennant: it is 11.30 where I am
    Paradise Tennant: would you like to do a meditation before I go ?
    Paradise Tennant: say 5 mins :)
    Paradise Tennant: ?
    Archmage Atlantis: MY TIME ALSO
    Paradise Tennant: Ok so I am going to do a quick medition for say 5 mins then scoot.. off to bed ok starting now :)
    Archmage Atlantis: The animals wish to stay'
    Paradise Tennant: :) hopes they can meditate :)
    Archmage Atlantis: You doubt them? Of course they can
    Paradise Tennant: ;0
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