2009.10.30 13:00 - A bit about culture.

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sophia
    sophia Placebo: hello yak , how are you ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: fine thanks, i hope you too
    sophia Placebo: :)ty
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, few participants for a friday 1 am session so far
    sophia Placebo: hi sophias
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi sophiaS
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Yakuzza and Sophia :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is there anything further planned on the islam ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i love the witch costume Sophia! :))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like the islamic prayer theme session ?
    sophia Placebo: thnx sophia :)
    sophia Placebo: no yak nothing :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Gaya!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hiya gaya
    sophia Placebo: hi gaya , how are you ? :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello sophia, SophiaSharon and Yakuzza :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Can't complain thanks, yourself?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry have to go afk for a minute :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok
    sophia Placebo: why you do ask yak ?
    sophia Placebo: im alive :) ty
    Gaya Ethaniel: Can I lower this fountain do you mind?
    Gaya Ethaniel: :D
    sophia Placebo: sure !
    Gaya Ethaniel: ty
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right now the theme sessions are only related to practice and buddist traditions so i would be curious if there is something different again :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im sure something new will come around all the time :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Please feel free to suggest something to add to 'wish list' Yakuzza.
    sophia Placebo: hehe gaya
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and obviously sophia is the only islamic person around here i know about
    Yakuzza Lethecus: everyone else is just from the western cultures and the funny thing i also consider japan and korea as western in some way
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes sophia, I want to know about 'jihad' sometimes if you're ok whether in PaB or outside.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: maybe i have to think about my terms :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hiya eliza
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eliza :)
    Qt Core: hi all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Eliza!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Qt :)
    sophia Placebo: hi Eliza !
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Qt! (snuck in beside me was distracted) :)
    sophia Placebo: hi Qt
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all...looking so cute :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes, Japan and Korea are heavily influenced by the West esp. US in some ways.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: really? I still see the culture as more influenced by the idea of wu wei than the west
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh ... forgot about the tag :)
    sophia Placebo: well gaya , i dont know , hmm part of it can be in bap part of it cant be here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: You can talk about what you see as relevant here? I'm sure many of us are interested in Islam.
    Eliza Madrigal missed the first part of the discussion...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: brb please sorry rl phone
    sophia Placebo: whats relevant to pab isnt what you are asking about gaya :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Well Shinto in Japan and Shamanism in Korea are unique though Yakuzza.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Shyama
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, I never associate Shamanism with Korea
    Qt Core: hi Shyama
    sophia Placebo: hi shayama
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Shyama!
    Gaya Ethaniel: I was interested in the concept of 'struggle'. Normally struggling isn't recommended in Buddhist context yet somewhere it fits in terms of right action & selflessnes?
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Shyama :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi shy
    Gaya Ethaniel: Well that what I think so far anyway.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: can you say more Gaya?
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm ... I'd first like to hear more from the expert >.<
    SophiaSharon Larnia: this idea is also something ive been 'stuggling' with :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ... ok
    Eliza Madrigal looks around for experts
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if there is place for 'fake it til you make it'... meaning you act as rightly as you can while knowing/making room that a better way that might break through?
    sophia Placebo: thats major jihad , -struggling- with self : resisting temporary desires to get more perminant rwards -worldy or heavenly-
    Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh, in the context of jihad. Forgive me
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think sometimes if an thought continues to arise it's meant to be addressed in someway
    SophiaSharon Larnia: listens
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sry
    Gaya Ethaniel: I think you're right SophiaSharon btw ... otherwise one won't repeat it constantly the same thing.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the same thoughts come to me when i attempt to drop and appreciate
    Gaya Ethaniel: We talked about that yesterday ... accepting fully etc. It's not easy.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im so distracted just notice Sophia must have crashed ;9
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh wow, outfit even more dramatic. :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes its great
    sophia Placebo: thanks , sorry lost connection
    sophia Placebo: thnx eliza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb
    Gaya Ethaniel: During 1 pm session, I feel like a person with hearing problem. I miss a lot out because of lag heheheh
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Qt Core: is this time laggier than others ?
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, yesterday bolonath said that there were two main points of the type of yoga he practices :Niyama/Yama ...one deals with others and one with self. Is that similar I wonder, sophia?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi fox
    Eliza Madrigal: it is about behaviors mostly... in order to make progress
    sophia Placebo: hi fox
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fox :))
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Fox :)
    Fox Monacular: hello everyone
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Fox :)
    Qt Core: hi fox
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi fox
    sophia Placebo: gaya , did i get you right , is that what were you asking about : the self jihad ?
    sophia Placebo: Eliza maybe , i dont know about those yoga types , i know about rights : your self right on you ,others rights on you , that would include behavours and ethics and lots of law regulations
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i would be very interested to hear more about that Sophia
    sophia Placebo: the jihad sophia ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    sophia Placebo: what is intersting about that ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Johny :)
    Johny Weissberg: hi all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello johny
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ur now ?
    sophia Placebo: hi johny
    Yakuzza Lethecus: new here ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Johny :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Johny :)
    Johny Weissberg: been once i think
    Qt Core: hi Johny
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi johny
    SophiaSharon Larnia: about the idea of struggle, the view of overcoming these struggles
    sophia Placebo: hmm , dont we do it daily ?
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: first what the idea of what the struggle is, i believe in this sense it means against the baser side of our natures, i dont mean anything else that has been tagged onto it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes
    Gaya Ethaniel: I don't want to become like Gollum.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    sophia Placebo: hehe gaya
    Eliza Madrigal: 'Rules' can be freeing, though it goes against my grain to say such a thing... they can point to a higher point?
    sophia Placebo: well true , lord of the ring has something about self desire resistance
    sophia Placebo: i understand rules like this : im child who is learning
    Gaya Ethaniel: Please say more Eliza?
    sophia Placebo: sophia , true ,but our nature isnt static , it reactive to its invironment , my desire , the base one might be innocent but my method to satesfy it might go wrong , like children cuorosity
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm thinking of some of the things I've learned this year in the context of Stim's workshop and books/studies... that we try so hard to be 'free' sometimes...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i see what youre saying Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: structure can be a kind of glowing outline that helps us find our way in the dark
    Eliza Madrigal: that's vague, I know :) I just see myself following more rules and such than I ever thought I would... rituals, etc
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmmm
    Johny Weissberg: depends on how rules r followed
    Johny Weissberg: aware or not
    sophia Placebo: there is one thing i like too about rules is that it give you more time to rethink your actions , ie give your slower developed brain a chance to have a word
    sophia Placebo: slower.more developed*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Gaya Ethaniel ponders ... I will probably think over this ... thanks Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Shyama Sheryffe: waves to all..
    Eliza Madrigal: And true johny, I think about that too
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Shy :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Shyama :)
    sophia Placebo: bye shayama
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Shyama :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: So just wondering ... when can we talk about this 'struggle' again?
    sophia Placebo: :)
    sophia Placebo: maybe a week from now
    SophiaSharon Larnia: some definitions may be helpful, on what 'struggle' means
    Eliza Madrigal nods... great topic
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i can think of many right now, have to clarify what i mean by it (runs to get a pen and paper) :)
    Johny Weissberg: suffering ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes that definately part of it
    sophia Placebo: intented suffering ?
    Johny Weissberg: suffering ur way out of suffering..lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: intended? of self imposed?
    Gaya Ethaniel: I have to leave soon ... shall I email [group] and see what next?
    Johny Weissberg: until u give up
    Johny Weissberg: suffering
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thats like pushing until youre exhausted Johny :)
    sophia Placebo: sure gaya
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Johny Weissberg: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: may bot be that helpfu;
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not*
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    sophia Placebo: i'll try to read about this
    SophiaSharon Larnia: been there done that doesnt work lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: heh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (ok thats just me)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Great, so we can set something up via email then. I won't want to miss it.
    Eliza Madrigal: not at all :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Have a good day/night everyone, thank you :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Gaya, nice to see you
    sophia Placebo: :) bye gaya !
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me either Gaya, great idea!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Gaya
    Johny Weissberg: bye G
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Johny :)
    Johny Weissberg: going too, bye all
    sophia Placebo: bye johny
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye johny
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Johny :)
    Qt Core: bye johny
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm off too, take care everyone!!!
    Eliza Madrigal: kids are out of school today... computer is demanded :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehehe Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye sophiasharon, qt, yakuzza, sophia :)
    sophia Placebo: i should leave too , bye all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have fun
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Sophia
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone :)
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