2009.11.01 07:00 - Speaking or Silent, Active or Quiet, the Essence is at Peace

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Dubrovna. The comments are by Adams Dubrovna.

    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Zen
    Zen Arado: Hello Adams :)
    Zen Arado: did you say someting?
    Adams Dubrovna: No, not yet
    Zen Arado: ok
    Adams Dubrovna: Hllo Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams, Zen
    Zen Arado: Hello Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Looks like Adams and I got the memo
    Eliza Madrigal: (black and white)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: So how are we all doing today?
    Eliza Madrigal: We should be more 'awake' feeling if in the US
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: I am trying to have a quiet day
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Nice
    Zen Arado: I tal too much
    Zen Arado: talk
    Adams Dubrovna: quiet is nice
    Zen Arado: it is 3pm here
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, so you are actually winding down then Zen?
    Zen Arado: and we had extra hour last week
    Adams Dubrovna nods
    Adams Dubrovna: I find the time changes a little stressful either way
    Zen Arado: just doing a lot of meditation today
    Zen Arado: I like the extra hour one :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, oddly. I was up quite early though I intended to sleep in
    Zen Arado: its good to have the option of an extra hour
    Eliza Madrigal: I was reading "The Song of Enlightenment" this morning... really beautiful
    Adams Dubrovna: what is that?
    Eliza gives us a link to a poem
    Eliza Madrigal: http://members.optushome.com.au/davi...tings/Song.htm
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure the origins, as you know those things are lost on me much of the time, but I love the emphasis
    Eliza Madrigal: on the personal level of responsibility in "spiritual life"
    Eliza Madrigal: and well... it is poetic also :)
    Zen Arado: looks interesting I bookmarked it
    Eliza Madrigal: there is one part, about effort... where there is one kind of effort that is like a striving... which is like shooting an arrow into the sky
    Eliza Madrigal: that's what I feel like when I try to 'do things' without that meditative time
    Zen Arado: yes - I keep wondering how much control I have over my life lately
    Eliza Madrigal: 'my' goals and my ideas of 'success'
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, nods :)
    Zen Arado: so much we do is to satisfy ego
    Zen Arado: or 'needs' we think we must satisfy
    Adams Dubrovna: or things we feel need doing
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, and much that we do is a perception that if we don't, everything will crumble
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Zen Arado: yes
    Adams Dubrovna: all an illusion
    Eliza Madrigal: Atlas
    Eliza Madrigal: the myth :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Zen Arado: world on our shoulders
    Adams Dubrovna puts away his map book
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Zen Arado: everything so important
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: But its funny... we have more time and better effort when we drop everything for those meditative pauses, don't we?
    Adams Dubrovna: steady as she goes
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Meditate all day?
    Zen Arado: I could just sit and meditate all day today
    Zen Arado: nothing else planned
    Zen Arado: so why don't I ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, maybe there are things to see in a meditative way
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe that's what people get from smoking and don't realize it... an excuse to take a pause
    Adams Dubrovna: well, that and their niocotine fix
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure :) a kind of energy they feel they get
    Zen Arado: I bought a book about phenomenology
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh?
    Zen Arado: was trying to get away from philosophy too
    Adams Dubrovna: do you know there is a phenomenology workshop at Kira?
    Zen Arado: thought zen was better
    Zen Arado: yes was at it Fri
    Zen Arado: is why I bought book
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: "Walking is Zen, sitting is Zen; Speaking or silent, active or quiet, the essence is at peace. "
    Eliza Madrigal: (that was from this morning's reading too)
    Adams Dubrovna: this morning's readings?
    Eliza Madrigal: I've been enjoying the phenomenology group, but I seem to have a time delay in comprehension... takes a while for me to get a feel
    Eliza Madrigal: Adams, yes the link I gave :)
    Zen Arado: I have a big time delay "
    Adams Dubrovna blushes with embarassment
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Which in itself is something to notice
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, not at all Adams
    Adams Dubrovna: obviously I have a time delay too :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: How is the museum coming along Adams?
    Adams Dubrovna: Things are getting started
    Eliza Madrigal: exciting
    Eliza Madrigal: It certainly feels nice to walk through
    Adams Dubrovna: yes Storm did a nice job with the space
    Eliza Madrigal nods, yes very
    Zen Arado: what are you going to put into it?
    Adams Dubrovna: We are moving in the exhibition we did last February called "Sacred Art in a Virtual World"
    Adams Dubrovna: which is a way of looking at virtual builds compared with the RL buildings
    Adams Dubrovna: but it is not a simple job of moving it
    Zen Arado: you are an art historian?
    Adams Dubrovna: we are rethinking things
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, I am
    Zen Arado: ah yes
    Zen Arado: I am an amateur artist
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Zen Arado: trying to paint abstracts at the moment
    Eliza Madrigal: there is something very significant about so many religious traditions and structures being housed in one place
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, nice Zen
    Art as Meditation
    Adams Dubrovna: I think of art as a way of meditating outwardly sometimes
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm, yes
    Zen Arado: abstract need something intuitive I think
    Eliza Madrigal: I've experienced that, but only once have I been able to come out of the experience and been satisfied with the work that remained enough to share it
    Eliza Madrigal: It is a marvelous feeling...guess a bit like how we live.. dive into experience
    Eliza Madrigal: and hope to let it go with a sense of satisfaction
    Zen Arado: how do you know your own judgement is valid?
    Adams Dubrovna: I am not sure anything about art has to be valid
    Eliza Madrigal: yes well that's the question that makes it art :)
    Zen Arado: trying to think of the right word.....
    Adams Dubrovna: It is personal for the creator and the viewer
    Zen Arado: yes but art critics still have objective standards for a work?
    Eliza Madrigal: Some of what makes a "successful" artist I think, is sheer stamina...
    Adams Dubrovna: yes, but how often do we read critics :)
    Zen Arado: how do I know if my abstracts are any good then?
    Adams Dubrovna: If they survive, it may take 250 years before someone decides they are good :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I suppose if you share them you find out if they are nourishment to others?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, true true Adams :)
    Zen Arado: or longer :)
    Adams Dubrovna nods
    Eliza Madrigal: So maybe there is an underlying love that keeps an artist working
    Eliza Madrigal: despite all evidence to the contrary
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Often times we throw out thoughts here at PaB
    Adams Dubrovna: sometimes they really touch someone
    Adams Dubrovna: they are what someone is looking for
    Adams Dubrovna: others may find them meaningless
    Adams Dubrovna: art is like that
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Adams Dubrovna: once in a while we say something that touches many people
    Zen Arado: true
    Eliza Madrigal: in PaB maybe we are sometimes canvas and sometimes paint
    Zen Arado: I should try to be canvas more often
    Zen Arado: get good ideas here:)
    Adams Dubrovna: It is easy for ego to get in the way of our art too
    Zen Arado: nods
    Adams Dubrovna: It might be why some artists find it so painful
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Zen Arado: I usuallu have about 10 paintings at a gallery in SL
    Adams Dubrovna: oh, how nice. would you send me a link?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, then you've been at this a while Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: yes would love to go see too
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Steve
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)
    Zen Arado: oh yes I have been selling paintings for about 17 years
    Zen Arado: Hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello. I'm with my cousin here this moring
    Eliza Madrigal waves to Steve's cousin
    Adams Dubrovna: Hello Cousin
    Zen Arado: they are usually at China Legends place but they had trouble with the sim lately
    Zen Arado: so I have to rehang some hopefully
    Adams Dubrovna: thank you
    Eliza Madrigal: I have a close friend who is an abstract artist... sometimes she paints one line... and leaves it like that for days...
    Eliza Madrigal: and then only returns when it calls her back :)
    Zen Arado: yes it doesn't take much actual painting time I think
    Zen Arado: Rothco used to just sit and drink whishy in front of his paintings for hours I sem to remember
    Eliza Madrigal smiles... yes what makes one wall of paint more interesting than another... layers I find....
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Zen Arado: main thing is that it is fun :)
    Eliza Madrigal: is it also the energy then....
    Eliza Madrigal: kind of living in there... in the movement
    Adams Dubrovna: The fun is important
    Zen Arado: I don't know
    Zen Arado: think art historians find things the artist didnt intend or know about :)
    Adams Dubrovna: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, as do all viewers
    Eliza Madrigal: especially within abstracts
    Zen Arado: funny how ppl try to find faces or figures in abstracts
    Zen Arado: something familiar
    Eliza Madrigal: yes we seem to make patterns don't we
    Adams Dubrovna: whre's waldo?
    Adams Dubrovna: where's
    Eliza Madrigal: I have a daughter who sees waldo everywhere
    Eliza Madrigal: poor anyone who wears jeans and a striped shirt
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Zen Arado: waldo?
    Zen Arado: excuse my ignorance
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes, have you never seen those silly books?
    Adams Dubrovna: It is a children's book
    Adams Dubrovna: books
    Zen Arado: nope
    Adams Dubrovna: a character is hidden in each picture
    Zen Arado: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye for now. Enjoy your meditative evening Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks, Adams :)
    Adams Dubrovna: Yes, time for us to go
    Zen Arado: I see vast panoramas on the wall at zen retreats
    Adams Dubrovna: thank you everyone :)
    Zen Arado: bye Eliza
    Adams Dubrovna: good to see you Zen :)
    Adams Dubrovna: bye for now :)
    Zen Arado: you too
    Zen Arado: bye
    Zen Arado: bye Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: see ya
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