2009.11.01 07:00 - Speaking or Silent, Active or Quiet, the Essence is at Peace

The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Dubrovna. The comments are by Adams Dubrovna.

Adams Dubrovna: Hello Zen
Zen Arado: Hello Adams :)
Zen Arado: did you say someting?
Adams Dubrovna: No, not yet
Zen Arado: ok
Adams Dubrovna: Hllo Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams, Zen
Zen Arado: Hello Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Looks like Adams and I got the memo
Eliza Madrigal: (black and white)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: So how are we all doing today?
Eliza Madrigal: We should be more 'awake' feeling if in the US
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: I am trying to have a quiet day
Eliza Madrigal: :) Nice
Zen Arado: I tal too much
Zen Arado: talk
Adams Dubrovna: quiet is nice
Zen Arado: it is 3pm here
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, so you are actually winding down then Zen?
Zen Arado: and we had extra hour last week
Adams Dubrovna nods
Adams Dubrovna: I find the time changes a little stressful either way
Zen Arado: just doing a lot of meditation today
--BELL--
Zen Arado: I like the extra hour one :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, oddly. I was up quite early though I intended to sleep in
Zen Arado: its good to have the option of an extra hour
Eliza Madrigal: I was reading "The Song of Enlightenment" this morning... really beautiful
Adams Dubrovna: what is that?

Eliza Madrigal: http://members.optushome.com.au/davi...tings/Song.htm
Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure the origins, as you know those things are lost on me much of the time, but I love the emphasis
Eliza Madrigal: on the personal level of responsibility in "spiritual life"
Eliza Madrigal: and well... it is poetic also :)
Zen Arado: looks interesting I bookmarked it
Eliza Madrigal: there is one part, about effort... where there is one kind of effort that is like a striving... which is like shooting an arrow into the sky
Eliza Madrigal: that's what I feel like when I try to 'do things' without that meditative time
Zen Arado: yes - I keep wondering how much control I have over my life lately
Eliza Madrigal: 'my' goals and my ideas of 'success'
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, nods :)
Zen Arado: so much we do is to satisfy ego
Zen Arado: or 'needs' we think we must satisfy
Adams Dubrovna: or things we feel need doing
Eliza Madrigal: yes, and much that we do is a perception that if we don't, everything will crumble
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen Arado: yes
Adams Dubrovna: all an illusion
Eliza Madrigal: Atlas
Eliza Madrigal: the myth :)
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Zen Arado: world on our shoulders
Adams Dubrovna puts away his map book
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Zen Arado: everything so important
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: But its funny... we have more time and better effort when we drop everything for those meditative pauses, don't we?
Adams Dubrovna: steady as she goes
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Zen Arado: I could just sit and meditate all day today
Zen Arado: nothing else planned
Zen Arado: so why don't I ?
Eliza Madrigal: Well, maybe there are things to see in a meditative way
Eliza Madrigal: maybe that's what people get from smoking and don't realize it... an excuse to take a pause
Adams Dubrovna: well, that and their niocotine fix
Eliza Madrigal: Sure :) a kind of energy they feel they get
Zen Arado: I bought a book about phenomenology
Eliza Madrigal: Oh?
Zen Arado: was trying to get away from philosophy too
Adams Dubrovna: do you know there is a phenomenology workshop at Kira?
Zen Arado: thought zen was better
Zen Arado: yes was at it Fri
Zen Arado: is why I bought book
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Eliza Madrigal: "Walking is Zen, sitting is Zen; Speaking or silent, active or quiet, the essence is at peace. "
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: (that was from this morning's reading too)
Adams Dubrovna: this morning's readings?
Eliza Madrigal: I've been enjoying the phenomenology group, but I seem to have a time delay in comprehension... takes a while for me to get a feel
Eliza Madrigal: Adams, yes the link I gave :)
Zen Arado: I have a big time delay "
Adams Dubrovna blushes with embarassment
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) Which in itself is something to notice
Eliza Madrigal: hehe, not at all Adams
Adams Dubrovna: obviously I have a time delay too :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: How is the museum coming along Adams?
Adams Dubrovna: Things are getting started
Eliza Madrigal: exciting
Eliza Madrigal: It certainly feels nice to walk through
Adams Dubrovna: yes Storm did a nice job with the space
Eliza Madrigal nods, yes very
Zen Arado: what are you going to put into it?
Adams Dubrovna: We are moving in the exhibition we did last February called "Sacred Art in a Virtual World"
Adams Dubrovna: which is a way of looking at virtual builds compared with the RL buildings
Adams Dubrovna: but it is not a simple job of moving it
Zen Arado: you are an art historian?
Adams Dubrovna: we are rethinking things
Adams Dubrovna: yes, I am
Zen Arado: ah yes
Zen Arado: I am an amateur artist
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Zen Arado: trying to paint abstracts at the moment
Eliza Madrigal: there is something very significant about so many religious traditions and structures being housed in one place
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, nice Zen

Adams Dubrovna: I think of art as a way of meditating outwardly sometimes
Eliza Madrigal: hmm, yes
Zen Arado: abstract need something intuitive I think
Eliza Madrigal: I've experienced that, but only once have I been able to come out of the experience and been satisfied with the work that remained enough to share it
Eliza Madrigal: It is a marvelous feeling...guess a bit like how we live.. dive into experience
Eliza Madrigal: and hope to let it go with a sense of satisfaction
Zen Arado: how do you know your own judgement is valid?
Adams Dubrovna: I am not sure anything about art has to be valid
Eliza Madrigal: yes well that's the question that makes it art :)
Zen Arado: trying to think of the right word.....
Adams Dubrovna: It is personal for the creator and the viewer
Zen Arado: yes but art critics still have objective standards for a work?
Eliza Madrigal: Some of what makes a "successful" artist I think, is sheer stamina...
Adams Dubrovna: yes, but how often do we read critics :)
Zen Arado: how do I know if my abstracts are any good then?
Adams Dubrovna: If they survive, it may take 250 years before someone decides they are good :)
Eliza Madrigal: I suppose if you share them you find out if they are nourishment to others?
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, true true Adams :)
Zen Arado: or longer :)
Adams Dubrovna nods
Eliza Madrigal: So maybe there is an underlying love that keeps an artist working
Eliza Madrigal: despite all evidence to the contrary
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Adams Dubrovna: Often times we throw out thoughts here at PaB
Adams Dubrovna: sometimes they really touch someone
Adams Dubrovna: they are what someone is looking for
Adams Dubrovna: others may find them meaningless
Adams Dubrovna: art is like that
Eliza Madrigal nods
Adams Dubrovna: once in a while we say something that touches many people
--BELL--
Zen Arado: true
Eliza Madrigal: in PaB maybe we are sometimes canvas and sometimes paint
Zen Arado: I should try to be canvas more often
Zen Arado: get good ideas here:)
Adams Dubrovna: It is easy for ego to get in the way of our art too
Zen Arado: nods
Adams Dubrovna: It might be why some artists find it so painful
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen Arado: I usuallu have about 10 paintings at a gallery in SL
Adams Dubrovna: oh, how nice. would you send me a link?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, then you've been at this a while Zen
Eliza Madrigal: yes would love to go see too
Adams Dubrovna: Hello Steve
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)
Zen Arado: oh yes I have been selling paintings for about 17 years
Zen Arado: Hi Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: hello. I'm with my cousin here this moring
Eliza Madrigal waves to Steve's cousin
Adams Dubrovna: Hello Cousin
Zen Arado: they are usually at China Legends place but they had trouble with the sim lately
Zen Arado: so I have to rehang some hopefully
Adams Dubrovna: thank you
Eliza Madrigal: I have a close friend who is an abstract artist... sometimes she paints one line... and leaves it like that for days...
Eliza Madrigal: and then only returns when it calls her back :)
Zen Arado: yes it doesn't take much actual painting time I think
Zen Arado: Rothco used to just sit and drink whishy in front of his paintings for hours I sem to remember
Eliza Madrigal smiles... yes what makes one wall of paint more interesting than another... layers I find....
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Zen Arado: main thing is that it is fun :)
Eliza Madrigal: is it also the energy then....
Eliza Madrigal: kind of living in there... in the movement
Adams Dubrovna: The fun is important
Zen Arado: I don't know
Zen Arado: think art historians find things the artist didnt intend or know about :)
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hehe, as do all viewers
Eliza Madrigal: especially within abstracts
Zen Arado: funny how ppl try to find faces or figures in abstracts
Zen Arado: something familiar
Eliza Madrigal: yes we seem to make patterns don't we
Adams Dubrovna: whre's waldo?
Adams Dubrovna: where's
Eliza Madrigal: I have a daughter who sees waldo everywhere
Eliza Madrigal: poor anyone who wears jeans and a striped shirt
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Zen Arado: waldo?
Zen Arado: excuse my ignorance
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes, have you never seen those silly books?
Adams Dubrovna: It is a children's book
Adams Dubrovna: books
Zen Arado: nope
Adams Dubrovna: a character is hidden in each picture
Zen Arado: ok
Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye for now. Enjoy your meditative evening Zen
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks, Adams :)
Adams Dubrovna: Yes, time for us to go
Zen Arado: I see vast panoramas on the wall at zen retreats
Adams Dubrovna: thank you everyone :)
Zen Arado: bye Eliza
Adams Dubrovna: good to see you Zen :)
Adams Dubrovna: bye for now :)
--BELL--
Zen Arado: you too
Zen Arado: bye
Zen Arado: bye Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: see ya