2009.11.03 07:00 - Allegorical readings

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.  Who wil come back and finish commenting and adding photos.  [Need to find the way to get photos from SL inverntory copy and pasted into this blog].

    The title is not to be found in the text.  It is something I have been thinking about for a long time/
    During a recent email and group meeting it was pointed out that as a guardian (perhaps) there is not as much practical spelled out direction on PaB practice. 
    I, Riddle, beg to argue that point.
    If read by you in a simple, lite and exact manner then all of my guardian sessions have been fluff.
    If the reader brings no energy, depth, intellect, exploration and/or looseness to what is behind the chat then they shall get none.
    However, if read as each member was/is bringing and collaborating and fostering and fulfilling the joint 'Allegorical' dictational experience

    Please to also note dear gentle reader that almost none of my guardian'ed session have large, doctoral, academiatic, unknown, un-spellable, run for the dictionary and short-circuit normal conversarion words in them.  There is a precise 2 word phrase for that, but I will not write it.

    Image:  Riddle dismounts the high horse and speakers orange crate.

    Fael Illyar: Hello Eden :)
    Archmage Atlantis:
    [edited out the paste from private IM]
    Fael Illyar: Hi Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: Good Morning,Sorry I am late
    Small technical problems of having to reboot computer.
    Archmage Atlantis:
    Fael Illyar: Hi Storm :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hi there guys
    Eden Haiku: Hi. Nice to meet you all.
    Eden Haiku: Hi Storm.
    Archmage Atlantis: Enuf info now love
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Storm, Eden, Arch, Fael
    Fael Illyar: Kind of bad form pasting the whole of private IM in here like that Arch...
    Archmage Atlantis: All the powers of this life gather here
    Archmage Atlantis: I am insane
    Eden Haiku: Fragrant gardenias/Miracles scripted as mist/Play as Being now ;-)
    Archmage Atlantis: I told that to all
    Storm Nordwind: Hi there Yak :)
    Riddle Sideways: H i Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi storm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and riddle
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and eden :)
    Fael Illyar: no, not insane. Just scared to death of letting people see you.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, here everyone is rezzing
    Eden Haiku: Hi Yakuzza ;-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: arch and fael :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Yakuzza :)
    Long hellos, probably should edit those out too.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: any topic started ?
    Riddle Sideways: my computer is barely started so don't think I know of a topic yet either
    Archmage Atlantis: Socrates ate the hemlock, siddhartha sat under a tree, finally someone chose to die on a cross of humanknd, still we do not hear
    Arch rezs a war horse to sit upon and falls silent when nobody comments.
    Riddle Sideways: my mother was 90 years old this weekend
    Eden Haiku: You are lucky to still have your mother. I miss mine.
    Riddle Sideways: I was observing what that length of life can give you as perpective
    Storm Nordwind: I was thinking this morning about one of the reasons why I like Play as Being, and that's because of its accessibility to so make people. So many opportunities and potential benefits
    Riddle Sideways: Seeing great depressions, world wars, walks on moon, presidents shot, great-grand children, years of snow flakes, years of coloured fall leaves strecting back into history...
    Riddle Sideways: was thinking this when some little 15 min bong went off while in an airport waiting area
    Riddle Sideways: and I thought of what we do with our lifes
    Storm Nordwind: *many
    Riddle Sideways: I saw a crowd of waiting people
    Riddle Sideways: mostly anxious
    Eden Haiku: Yesterday, as I was sitting here, I had the feeling my mother was sitting here with me. She passed a way more than a year ago.
    Riddle Sideways: some angry
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sry to hear eden
    sophia Placebo: hello
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps she is glad to see you here Eden
    Riddle Sideways: Eden, I think we can bring the memory of departed to sit by us
    Eden Haiku: That was a nice feeling, like she could reach to me through SL . Insane, but it felt so real.
    Hold it right there...
    "Insane" was used tooooooo much today!  I edited out some, but...  I wish to eliminate the use of that word as it was used in the above sentence.   the group PaB has gone / can go beyond anybody needing to couch a powerful statement of their feelings, experiences, thoughts, knowledge, etc. with a giggly phrase about "that might have sounded insane".

    Fael Illyar: Hello sophia :)
    Eden Haiku: Yes, thank you Riddle.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sophia
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Sophia
    Storm Nordwind: I hope your mother knows she is welcome to be here and partake in whatever little peace we can share or inspire
    Eden Haiku: Thanks Storm. Yes, I think she does. She was such a gentle soul. She passed away in peace. I had a dream of her wearing a black sari (which was very strange) and she was taking some orientation tour about the other world. She seemed all interested about that.;-)
    Storm Nordwind: What a wonderful image! Thank you for that Eden :)
    Eden Haiku: Do you talk about her upcoming death with your 90 years old Mom Riidle?
    Riddle Sideways: no, there was something going on with her ears, and she could not hear what people really said
    Moon enters and spreads a circle of colored flora around the outside circle of the pavillion.
    Personally, I had zoomed perspective back/out a bit.  The enveloping leafs put my POV amoungst the bushes.

    sophia Placebo: hi moon
    Moon Fargis: greetings everyone!
    Storm Nordwind: Hello Moon
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Moon
    Riddle Sideways: many people called her on the phone and she could not hear who it was
    sophia Placebo: (king of gardens! :)
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you for the mixture of summer and fall Moon
    Riddle Sideways: oh, wery nice
    Moon Fargis: ^^ yw
    Eden Haiku: yes, before death we humans have to go through getting old, and getting sick. The luck ones.;-)
    Riddle Sideways: would somebody please take a photo
    Eden Haiku: May I ask why the horse archmage?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes you may Eden
    Riddle Sideways: my pics never turn out good
    Storm Nordwind: But people are anxious about the journey of death, Eden. Just like those people Riddle obsevered in the airport
    Storm Nordwind: *observed
    Moon Fargis: having fear of death is just the fear of unknown
    Eden Haiku: Is it the black horse of Death Archmage?
    Moon Fargis: and of course to loose something
    Riddle Sideways: like the fear of flying (questionable book)
    Archmage Atlantis: most telme the ansswerrs mke no sens
    Riddle Sideways: anxious, worry, nerviness are sometimes good arobic exercises
    Riddle Sideways: but peace seems better
    Eden Haiku: I loved reading «Fear of Flying» by Erica Jong, It was the very first book I read in English, outside the Rnglish class. BUt these days, I am reading «Shantaram» qu=hich is quite an extraordinary book,
    Eden Haiku: Soory for the typing...
    Riddle Sideways: np
    Moon Fargis reads enought in SL already in the chat windows :)

    Fael Illyar: I'll be leaving to a meditation in RL now so I'll have to say goodbye here :)
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now Fael
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Fael Illyar waves.
    Riddle Sideways: ok Fael, bye
    Moon Fargis: see you :)
    Eden Haiku: Bye fael.Nice meeting you .
    sophia Placebo: bye fael
    Fael Illyar waves.
    Moon Fargis: thanks sophia :)
    Riddle Sideways: TY Sophia
    Archmage Atlantis: We were expelled from eden, we ate of the tree of knowldege
    sophia Placebo: yvw !
    Moon Fargis: NOT me!
    Moon Fargis: *duhhhhhh*

    There !!
    Ok, everybody take paper and pencil and write an allegorical story (limit 3 pages) about the little exchange that just happened.
    Character 1 thinks the entire world is based in JudioChristian upbringing.  Knows and is based in entirely in a garden of Eden story.
    Character 2 is the other part of humanity that was raised in another ethos.

    Archmage Atlantis: We made that choice
    Storm Nordwind: Hi there Widget!
    Moon Fargis: greetings widget
    sophia Placebo: hi widget
    Widget Whiteberry: good morning
    Riddle Sideways: There are exercises, practices we do
    Riddle Sideways: hi widget
    Riddle Sideways: some every 15 min, some once a day
    Eden Haiku: hello Widget . Welcome.
    sophia Placebo: why we choose to be expelled from eden ?
    Widget Whiteberry: ty
    Widget Whiteberry settles in
    Eden Haiku: Thnaks for the beautiful snapshot Sophia.
    sophia Placebo: ^^
    Riddle Sideways: one of those exercises should be to think as if we were somebody else
    Riddle Sideways: to put ourselves in anothers moccisins
    Moon Fargis: the question is, shall we live in unknown dumbnes but sheltered or knowing and learning but on our own
    Moon Fargis: and even then dumbness dont protect against punishment :)
    Widget Whiteberry: are those our only choices?
    Riddle Sideways: yet there we are "stuck in the middle with you"
    Moon Fargis: so hurray about that apple
    Moon Fargis: ho doug
    sophia Placebo: hi doug
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Doug
    doug Sosa: :) shh sorry late

    Storm Nordwind: Bliss and wisdom are not mutually exclusive. Our mistake is only to think they are. And many make that mistake, not once, but every day!
    sophia Placebo nods
    Riddle Sideways: to get stuck thinking of only bininary choices
    Moon Fargis: 01010001 100100101010
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Riddle Sideways: in some langages 00011110 means escape

    sophia Placebo: but it is intersting to know why would anyone sacrifice an eden with an apple of knowladge that would bring but misery
    Eden Haiku: I remember y math class where the teacher explainded computers to us the first time.
    Archmage Atlantis: the horse gives e binary codes
    Moon Fargis: sophia: welcome in the human world :)
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    Widget Whiteberry: perhaps, Sophia, the awareness of not knowing creates hunger for knowledge
    Moon Fargis: well a "dont know" mind can really be a good start
    Well, Archm may have started this thread, but Moon does it proud.
    Widget Whiteberry: and who would know or believe that knowledge itself would necessarily lead to misery
    Moon Fargis: but as soon it turns to greed to know more, we will suffer
    Widget Whiteberry: is hunger or thirst a kind of greed?
    sophia Placebo: true widget i always thought about that
    Storm Nordwind: EVen those you strive for enlightenment do so by many different means. There are those who take a scholarly approach, and others who eschew knowledge for experience only.
    Storm Nordwind: *you -> who
    sophia Placebo: knowladge leading to hardships
    Moon Fargis: widged: no but when you eaten and still eat more and more even you are not hungry anymore
    Moon Fargis: cus then
    Moon Fargis: your got a hurting belly
    Moon Fargis: and that suffers:)

    doug Sosa: We are alive, and can either ride that wave (the west) or try to get off, the east. (just a thought).
    Eden Haiku: Yes.
    Riddle Sideways: you have the choice
    Storm Nordwind: Well one nice thing about Play as Being practice is that it needs no great knowledge to be effective! :)
    Widget Whiteberry considers 'self medication' through food or drink or drugs to be a different sort of craving than the desire to for understanding
    Eden Haiku: What would be the third way?
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm
    doug Sosa: Not really. need to eat, even to breathe, recognized inthe east, need to sleeep recognized in the west. We are always in between.
    Eden Haiku: Between west raiding the wave and east off it, I wonder.
    Storm Nordwind: "raiding" the wave - what a nice typo! :)
    Eden Haiku: Raiding like in a raid, ...;-) Yes, I suppose so...

    Riddle Sideways: there are soooo many alternatives: flow, observe, transend, acknowledge, Be
    Eden Haiku: Flow, yes. I always forget flow. That is the best ;-)
    Moon Fargis: widged: the need of knowledge is same suffering as the need of food, too much and you will break yourself either by a fat heart or a fusthead
    Moon Fargis: (dusthead)
    Storm Nordwind: So many ways to get lost in method Riddle, and forget they are all so many fingers pointing at the moon (!)
    Moon Fargis: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
    Riddle Sideways: :) lol
    Eden Haiku: have a great day every one. I have to go back to RL.Nice sharing this moment with you all.
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Eden. Lovely to see you
    sophia Placebo: bye eden , visit us again :)
    Moon Fargis: see you eden ^^
    Riddle Sideways: sometimes we can study the methods and sometimes the results and sometime neither or other
    Riddle Sideways: bye
    Riddle Sideways: point might be to be flexible
    Eden Haiku: I will be back to Pab. I really enjoy the experience! Thanks for the great welcome Storm ;-)
    Moon Fargis: hmhm so much to .we left eden :)
    doug Sosa: we were driven out by a jealous god.
    Riddle Sideways: yes, please come oftern Eden
    Moon Fargis: atleast she promised she comes back :)

    sophia Placebo: why would a god be jealous?
    Storm Nordwind: Many are
    Storm Nordwind: And they have many reasons to be
    sophia Placebo: hmm
    Moon Fargis: hmmm

    Moon Fargis: wich gods are ?:)
    Storm Nordwind: None whose names I will give airtime to here! ;)
    Moon Fargis: :D
    Widget Whiteberry: what are we trying to understand with the idea of a jealous god?
    doug Sosa: my own view, that god is a projection of our timid self "humans' don't reach too far!" Buw we do, some, and there is also "the truth shall make you free."
    sophia Placebo: if a god is a god : the one who gave you what you have , why would -god- be jealous?
    Moon Fargis: shall i tell you what, the bible can be ruduced to one sentence
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Moon Fargis: "God is in us"
    Storm Nordwind: perhaps, sophia, the god is *not* the one who gave us what we have, simply that
    sophia Placebo: so why we call god god ?
    doug Sosa: In the old testament, god says "keep him from eating the tree of life, lest he be like us(the pural gds!).
    Moon Fargis: i call him heinz
    Moon Fargis: :)
    Storm Nordwind: You must ask yourself that sophia
    Moon Fargis: arch calls him "E"
    Moon Fargis: or the creator
    doug Sosa: Kazanzakis calls him "ah ha".
    sophia Placebo: not me who created that term storm
    Moon Fargis: but at the end i am a buddhist so i have a different view anyway about it
    Riddle Sideways: we all have (and shift) our point of View and naming Beings is sometimes handy
    Riddle Sideways: but don't get stuck in it
    Storm Nordwind: Good points Riddle!
    doug Sosa: Yes. I am me, more orless, and can put on my buddhist avatar, my christian avatar, my science avatar, my mischievious avatar..
    Moon Fargis: *mews*
    sophia Placebo nods
    Moon Fargis: well my friends got a customer call, see you soon and have a nice day:)
    Storm Nordwind: You doug? Mischievous? I am aghast!
    Riddle Sideways: yes doug, but moon does it more often
    sophia Placebo: bye moon
    Moon Fargis: what i do ?:)
    Riddle Sideways: poof the autumn/spring goes away
    Riddle Sideways: thank you moon
    Moon Fargis: See you later!
    doug Sosa: iwant the flowers back.
    Widget Whiteberry has flowers
    Riddle Sideways: yes doug, there were so nice
    Storm Nordwind: In keeping with the place too
    Widget Whiteberry: Storm, I'm happy to contribute flowers
    doug Sosa: so can we have them back, i mean FOREVER?
    Widget Whiteberry: I have lots* from Lilith Heart
    Storm Nordwind: It's nice to see them come and go Widget
    Widget Whiteberry: ok
    Riddle Sideways: but again (/me sounds stuck) don't get stuck in it
    Storm Nordwind: I have hundreds too
    Riddle Sideways: we visit, they visit
    Storm Nordwind: But a very kind offer Widget, thank you so much!
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
    Riddle Sideways: should the pavillion change decoration every 15 min?
    Riddle Sideways: or our attitude toward it?
    sophia Placebo excuses herself , have a nice day everyone
    Storm Nordwind tries simply to make the pavilion welcoming
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Widget Whiteberry: I found it hard to see how to get into the pavillon today
    Widget Whiteberry: good morning, all
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, but I too must go
    Storm Nordwind: Please excuse me too. I have some work to be getting on with
    Storm Nordwind: Namaste
    Riddle Sideways: have a good day :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye arch :)
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