2009.11.03 19:00 - Sharing Space

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    I was standing in for Eos this evening.  I arrived in the middle of a conversation between Steve and Doug.

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Doug
    doug Sosa: hm, not resolving..
    stevenaia Michinaga: patience
    doug Sosa: better. hi.
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: brb, need a drink
    doug Sosa: bring me one!
    stevenaia Michinaga: chocolate milk?
    stevenaia Michinaga: sure thing
    stevenaia Michinaga: I seem to be alergic to my cat
    doug Sosa: love chocolate milk, haven;t had it for years.
    doug Sosa: actually had hot chocolate a few days ago, but that doesn't count.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Doug, Hi Stevenaia
    doug Sosa: hi.
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Sophia
    doug Sosa: i had one of those days that goes faster than the 9 sec. I cancelled a domain name and tey got the wrong one and dissapeared my email, blog and website... they were not sure they had a backup. hlaf our of many 9 sec.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh no
    stevenaia Michinaga: the joys of the internet
    doug Sosa: but its ok... i could have just gone for a alk.
    doug Sosa: all recovered.
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pema
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Pewa
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    stevenaia Michinaga: Pema
    doug Sosa: hi Pem
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh good, Doug, thats a lot of work to lose, I'd guess
    Paradise Tennant: hiya steve doug pema sophia :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Paradise :)
    Pema Pera: Looking forward to seeing you soon, Sophia and Paradise and Stevenaia!
    I was refering to the upcoming Princeton RL PaB retreat.
    doug Sosa: hi, now i see you
    Paradise Tennant: me too :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, I'm so excited, the time really flew
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I am sorry I can only be there for one day
    doug Sosa: where is "there"?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :(
    stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like a very mellow schedule
    Paradise Tennant: :) well everyone schedule is so booked .. really nice to be able to have a day :)
    Pema Pera: Princeton, Doug
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Paradise!
    stevenaia Michinaga: Saturday
    doug Sosa: ah, another. i keep missing them.
    Pema Pera: the second RL retreat
    Pema Pera: btw, I just had dinner with Eos, and I am replacing him as goc for this session
    Pema Pera: he is on his way back to his guest house north of NYC
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Pema Pera: he'll be there too at the retreat
    Paradise Tennant: cool
    Pema Pera: we were swapping stories about our hippie period, late sixties :)
    doug Sosa: many of my cherished friends.
    stevenaia Michinaga: will love to read that log
    Pema Pera: log? hehehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Pema Pera: dinner in RL, sorry :-)
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    doug Sosa: well, i did that early, berkeley free speech movement, then burnout, went to harvard that was so retrograde (they believed in the war in Vietnam, many), went to mexico..
    Pema Pera: should have brought a tape recorder and transcript voice recognition software
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Eden
    Pema Pera: with some silences in between of course, for hightened suspense, like the Nixon watergate tapes from a similar era
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Eden
    This was my first time to meet Eden.
    Pema Pera: Hi Eden
    Paradise Tennant: hiya eden
    Pema Pera: Feel free to join us, Eden!
    stevenaia Michinaga: this is Eden's 3rd meeting
    stevenaia Michinaga: unles she came to some others today
    Eden Haiku: Hi!
    stevenaia Michinaga: we spent the evening together last night
    Eden Haiku: yes Pema, Stevenaia is right. It is my 4th meetng here, You are the founder of PaB aren't you?
    doug Sosa: eden haiku. east west. I once had a consulting company , Shakespeare and Tao consulting.
    Pema Pera: well, the instigator really. From the first day on, many others helped me to get PaB up and running
    doug Sosa: wow a moment of pila in his underwear.
    Paradise Tennant: hello pila gtsy :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pila
    SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting name and mix Doug, poetry of being
    Pila Mulligan: greetings
    Pema Pera: Hi Pila!
    doug Sosa: I just missed seeing Pila in Honolulu but i could not get time.
    Pema Pera: And hi Tarmel, long time no see!
    Pila Mulligan: hi Tarmel
    Paradise Tennant: hello tarmel :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Tarmel
    stevenaia Michinaga: busy night here
    Pila Mulligan: maybe next time Doug, I hope
    doug Sosa: yes. me too.
    Tarmel Udimo: Hi pema, hi everyone!
    Tarmel Udimo: it has been a while
    Tarmel Udimo: are we having a silent session:)?
    Paradise Tennant: ::)
    Pema Pera: your arrival left us speechless, Tarmel
    Eden Haiku: Yes, speechless..
    Tarmel Udimo: ah dear pema, always the right thing to say:)
    Eden Haiku: :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia has been doing a lot of the 9 secs in anticipation of the upcoming retreat.... more than before
    Eden Haiku: The little dragon on your shoulder is so cute!
    Tarmel Udimo: (tks)
    Paradise Tennant: yes me too
    Tarmel Udimo: you are going Sophia, and Paradise - congratulations!
    Pema Pera: glad to hear that, Sophia and Paradise!
    Eden Haiku: When is the retreat Sophia?
    Pema Pera: Princeton
    Pema Pera: NJ
    I had misread Eden's question :-)
    Paradise Tennant: very much looking forward to it .. I have never been to a retreat before
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ::::::: I ❤ THIS T U N E ! ! ! ::::::: HOoOoOUlalalala :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i was starting to out the bell on my computer...needed a restart :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what!!!
    Eden Haiku: Interesting answer Pema. When? princeton. Very gnostic answer...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh my goodness.... fixing THAT tyvm
    Pema Pera: Princeton is timeless, Eden
    Tarmel Udimo: opps
    Pema Pera: like the garden of Eden
    Eden Haiku: ;-))
    Pema Pera: but when = in two days
    Pema Pera: :)
    Eden Haiku: Would love to attend. Next time maybe...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (is hoping Pema can edit that out)
    Pema Pera: Have you played a bit with the 9-sec explorations, Eden?
    Eden Haiku: Yes, this afternoon, in the subway, I started being aware of the 9 seconds...I was a witness.
    Eden Haiku: Is 9 or 90 seconds? i see both...
    Pema Pera: How did that feel, Eden?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Benedizione
    Pema Pera: Oh, here we do 90 seconds for good measure :)
    Pema Pera: usuall 9 seconds in RL
    Pila Mulligan: hi Bene
    Pema Pera: Hi Bene!
    Pema Pera: Great to see you again!
    Benedizione Vita: ah, sorry! not everyone had loaded yet
    SophiaSharon Larnia: np :)
    Paradise Tennant: hello bene gtsy
    Benedizione Vita: yes, hello everyone--good to see you too pema!
    Bene and Doug and I go back a long way, with the three of us meeting daily in the virtual world of Qwaq, two years ago in the fall, half a year before PaB started.
    Eden Haiku: I felt connected to this place, the people I met here, this experiment. Aslo other meditation experiences. very good feeling.
    doug Sosa: :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: it was like that for me too!
    Paradise Tennant: always a good shared sense of being .. being aware .. being together .. :)
    Tarmel Udimo: witness= holding space for being
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i have a question of space to ask, was just reminded now by that comment :)
    Tarmel Udimo: great!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have been thinking a bit lately of 'sharing' space, how is it held, and shared?
    Eden Haiku: Deep question.
    Tarmel Udimo: being attentive, present, open watching life unfold and yet still engaged
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so it is the engagment that is the sharing? engagement with others and what is going on
    doug Sosa: Related, and not, to private property, and why do we think of our life more in time spent than in space traveled?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Pema Pera: engagement seems to be the one thing that all traditions share, much more important than anything else . . . whether meditating, praying, working for social causes, the environment, anything.
    Paradise Tennant: hmm close ness .. mutual perceptions .. experiences . open communication .. a sense of being part of ... i guess all relate to engagement
    Pema Pera: Any story about any wise woman or man in history starts with a description of how engaged they were
    Paradise Tennant: engaged=present
    Benedizione Vita: sometimes to the point of disengagement to what they weren't engaged with--archimedes comes to mind
    Eden Haiku: In space traveled and in time spent as ways to measure our involvement with others is it Doug?
    doug Sosa: i didn't say space travel, as in out there, but as paths on the earth, what i had in mind.
    Tarmel Udimo: do you mean only able to focus on what was of interest> Bene
    SophiaSharon Larnia: traveling in time
    doug Sosa: I am x years old vs I am y countries old..
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (which takes space)
    Benedizione Vita: tarmel I am not sure, I am thinking about it... what it means to be thoroughly engaged with some thing and yet seemingly completely unengaged with something else
    Pema Pera: (yes, Paradise, being really engaged is also going beyond time, beyond even the present, into timeless time)
    Eden Haiku: Yes, I understood that you meant space traveled together. On earth.
    Eden Haiku: Or in mental routes or whatever.
    Paradise Tennant: timeless time
    Paradise Tennant: ?
    Only later did I realize that Paradise had posed a question in response to my mentioning of timeless time, while the lines appeared rapidly on the screen; sorry, Paradise!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is there spaceless space?
    Paradise Tennant: :) sophia
    Tarmel Udimo: before the big bang i think sophia:)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
    Benedizione Vita: doug that is a nice idea, "x countris old"
    Tarmel Udimo: yes I am not sure either bene but i think its about choice
    doug Sosa: any wisdom i have comes more from travels than from years.
    Pila Mulligan: sharing and holding space can realte to time, also -- the word kalpa usually refers to an extremely long period of time -- close to infinite, but not quite -- I once heard a teacher use the term kalpa also to describe a mind moment -- such that we may have a moment where our mind approaches a perception of nearly infinite duration -- so sharing and holding space may realte to sharing and holding a particularly meaningful time
    doug Sosa: but engagementadds a dimension. comes from french for "pledge"
    Benedizione Vita: still, you need some amount of time in each country--maybe its a ct (countries times time) formula ;^)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (or a interesting!!!
    Tarmel Udimo: nice one Pila:)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ( minus or a...typo)
    Pema Pera: yes, Pila, a way to approach timeless time, through a backdoor of time so to speak
    doug Sosa: time and sapce seem like two ways of looking at the same thing - except for reversibility ??
    Pema Pera: in a lived sense they are quite different; time has more connection with energy
    Tarmel Udimo: and yet it feels like we need to occupy space to be able to sense time
    Tarmel Udimo: time and energy - can you say more Pema?
    doug Sosa: Pema, how? Why? don't see it.
    Pema Pera: well, space as such offers possibilities
    Pema Pera: room
    Pema Pera: while time is associated with motion, growth, development
    Tarmel Udimo: space needed to be created, before time could be experienced?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so space is the anticipation, the 'pregnant pause' and time is the moving?
    Pema Pera: yes, I think that is part of it, Sophia
    Eden Haiku: I like that. The pregnant pause,
    Paradise Tennant: hmm was listening to a time expert ..who is suggesting time is more like geography that we may move on but the moments are more like hills they stay .. this moment we have together stays somewhere but our attention ..moves to the next ..moment .they are akin to hills
    Pema Pera: creating itself presupposes time, interestingly . . .
    Tarmel Udimo: yes the old question of what came before....
    Eden Haiku: I heard once time is holographic. Past lives, present lives, futures lives all at the same «time».
    SophiaSharon Larnia: seeing hills of time Paradise, interesting :))
    Paradise Tennant: hmm blinking for his name
    Bene left with a metaphor.
    Benedizione Vita: speaking of time, I am afraid I must act like an atom and split, but it is very good to see everyone :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Tarmel Udimo: hehehe
    Pema Pera: :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at bene :)
    Paradise Tennant: and waves
    Eden Haiku: Bye B4nedizione!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Bye Benedizione
    Pema Pera: split wood not atoms, Bene!
    Tarmel Udimo: bye
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (typo)
    Tarmel Udimo: carry water too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol Pema
    Paradise Tennant: well if time was more geographic in its nature than we can perceive it would interesting to understand what type of topography relates to certain moments - does harmony create .. gentle valley disharmoney jagged cliffs :)
    Tarmel Udimo: :)
    doug Sosa: Lots of abstractionhere. If you try the 9 sec and look at the experience and, when its over ask about space and time..
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the question came from my experience of the 9 secs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: as a 'space'
    doug Sosa: and what happens, in rerospect, about space and time?
    Pila Mulligan: the characteristics of typical situations combine the two ideas -- time and space
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, there's a long answer to that, over many weeks
    doug Sosa: yep, that seems right. part of a whole. bething is apaceand time, so is lookig
    doug Sosa: breathing
    Tarmel Udimo: hummm I have noticed a shift lately
    Tarmel Udimo: not sure how to describe it whether its spacial or temporal or just Being
    Pema Pera: can you tell us more, Sophia?
    Pema Pera: (and Tarmel?)
    Tarmel Udimo: but it feels like the place I am in my awareness kind of expands in the moment, almost like a lens coming into focus
    SophiaSharon shared some of her experiences.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it came from seeing those seconds as a different space first, as a witness, i guess you could say, but not being the only one
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a participant
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it actually came from trying to figure out 'what is my rice?' which is unrelated to pab
    SophiaSharon Larnia: as in a mandala offering
    Tarmel Udimo: what is my rice?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in a mandala offering you offer something precious to you, which was food in the past
    Tarmel Udimo: OK
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the thing i held as my most precious thing is this space
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so how to share it?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sounds strange here in text ;p
    SophiaSharon Larnia: theres more but a bit personal :)
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Pema Pera: thank you, Sophia, for sharing -- yes, these things are often hard to put into words . . .
    Pila Mulligan: so the situation you associated with your time here, Sharon, has signifigance you would like to share, as in an offering, elsewhere?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: from what i have realized from being here...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its all related and almost impossible to seperate
    SophiaSharon Larnia: at least for me
    Eden Haiku: Stevenaia is dozing off...
    Pila Mulligan: the expeinece may not transfer easily, but your realizations will stay with you :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: a step in the path :)
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: much resistence here , and trying to drop that
    Eden Haiku: The bell made me ralize I was only half here...
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Pila Mulligan: I've really appreciated sme of yuor insightful comments here, Sharon, remembering in particular one about how you were dismayed by how the realization of how stuck people are in their habits, or something to that effect -- that seems to me to be a big insight
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, attachmnet to our stories reminded me being stuck in a loculated type of space
    Paradise Tennant: :) yes
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Pila Mulligan: your comment stuck with me :) (maye struck is better -- as in resonance)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is such a physical thing though, that was the kicker
    Pema Pera appreciating very much the conversation, is also about to fall asleep, and is quietly sneaking off to get some rest -- see you all soon again!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Pema
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sleep well
    Pila Mulligan: bye Pema
    Pema Pera: bye everybody, thanks for a wonderful conversation!
    Time for me to return to RL.
    Tarmel Udimo: bye pema
    stevenaia Michinaga: see you soon
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must go as well
    stevenaia Michinaga: night all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Stevenaia
    Tarmel Udimo: night steve
    Pila Mulligan: bye Steve
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite steve
    Eden Haiku: May I copycat you? Thanks very much Sophia Sharon and all others, That was very interesting but I am also tired ;-)) See you!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eden
    Paradise Tennant: good nite eden
    Pila Mulligan: bye Eden
    Pila Mulligan: Tarmel, how about your shifts?
    Tarmel Udimo: bye
    Tarmel Udimo: oh... had moved on:)
    Tarmel Udimo: also hard to talk about
    Paradise Tennant: well I am going to excuse myself too .. I have an early morning :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: bye Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: be well everyone .. and thank you :)
    Tarmel Udimo: bye
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Paradise :)
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite pila tarmel sophia :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I must go too :) take care all
    Pila Mulligan: bye Sharon
    Tarmel Udimo: oh missed her - bye
    doug Sosa: oops forgot to sign off :)
    Tarmel Udimo: hi doug, you've been away
    Tarmel Udimo: no worries
    Pila Mulligan: bye Doug
    Tarmel Udimo: bye doug
    doug Sosa: bye.
    Pila Mulligan: sweet dreams
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