2009.11.04 13:00 - Lazy Meditators

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

    Eden Haiku: hello Fefonz.
    Fefonz Quan: hello Eden, Rrose
    Fefonz Quan: Hey SophiaSharon!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Fefonz :) Hi Eden, Rrose
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Wol
    Wol Euler: hello fef, ede, rrose, sophia
    Fefonz Quan: Eden and Rrose, Since we haven't met yet, i would ask if you've been here before?
    Fefonz Quan: Heya Wol! :)
    Wol Euler: *eden, sorry :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Eden has.... I don't know if Rrose has :)
    Eden Haiku: I have yes. My twin sister Rrose is here for the first time. Just observing: she is on a vow of silence.
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Fefonz Quan: would she still benefit from some intro card?
    Eden Haiku: Yes, I think so.
    SophiaSharon Larnia is in a very contemplative mood :)
    Fefonz Quan: SophShar, i inderstand you are on the way to an RL etreat, aren't you?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes tomorrow...am very excited and scared too
    Eden Haiku: I'm both here and In RL, organizing my space;-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: lucky you :)
    Wol Euler: (ss)
    Eden Haiku: How long is the retar
    Wol Euler: though I suppose organizing is pretty lucky too.
    Fefonz Quan: why scared Sophia?
    Eden Haiku: Retreat?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: 2 whole days, thursday to sunday
    Eden Haiku: How interesting.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i feel lucky Wol, I'm less than two hours away
    Wol Euler: I would definitely be there if I lived so close.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: !! smiles
    Fefonz Quan: yep me too!
    Eden Haiku: Me too;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: scared of meeting people from pab, or even sl for that matter
    Fefonz Quan: (infact i have lived 5 minutes from there till last Aufust ;-))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im shy *giggles*
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eden Haiku: You will tell us afterwards?
    Fefonz Quan: Have you met some of them so far?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not yet
    Wol Euler: I've met a few, they were all quite nice :)
    Fefonz Quan: wow, that can be interesting.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh i have no doubt of that
    Eden Haiku: Where did you meet them WOL?
    Fefonz Quan: when i went to the august retreat, i already met 4 of them in RL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that ones who you connect with are nice
    Wol Euler: last summer when I passed thruogh Princeton, and I hooked up with Fef last week when I was on holiday
    Eden Haiku: Did you take a reterat in Europe?
    Eden Haiku: Oh I see
    Wol Euler: not yet :)
    Wol Euler: there's one coming up in January in Malta
    Fefonz Quan: Yes, Wol' s RL avatar is really great!
    Wol Euler grins and blushes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HA awesome Wol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Wol Euler: Fef looks just like himself :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: !!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Eliza :)
    Wol Euler: hello eliza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont look much like my sl avatar.. a little bit, thats part of the being scared part...but truthfully thats part of my 'story' that could be dropped...that self-consciousness
    Eden Haiku: Hi Eliza
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol, Fef, Eden (nice to meet you), Rrose(nice to meet you)
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Liza
    Eliza Madrigal: And SophiaSharon :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Eliza Madrigal: Great flashy boots :)
    Eden Haiku: Nice to meet you Eliza.
    Fefonz Quan: you are too on the way OT RL session Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Wol Euler <- envious.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I may be the only one flying to be there
    Fefonz Quan is just a little jealous
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yes, as I felt when yu all were in Cali :))
    Eliza Madrigal: And often am as Wol is wandering..heh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: east coasters :)
    Fefonz Quan: aha, revenge ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, yes that's it... all part of the plan
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: first we take New Jersey
    Wol Euler: ha!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and coughs
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Fefonz Quan: say hi to princeton for me
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you miss it Fef? From Wol's descriptions of where you are now, seems you've another nice place to be
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: solo!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Solobill
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bill!
    Fefonz Quan: sure, i love where i am now.
    Wol Euler: how delightful to see you again.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Solobill Laville: Hello, everyone! :)
    Fefonz Quan: Yo Solo! long time no see
    Solobill Laville: (please continue...)
    Solobill Laville: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: where are you now fefonz?
    Eden Haiku: Hi Solobill!
    Fefonz Quan: But i still have some warm memories Eliza
    Fefonz Quan: Tel Aviv
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ooh
    Wol Euler: apropos warm :-))))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (lucky)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Of course
    Fefonz Quan: well now it is cool, only 20 celsius ;-)
    Wol Euler: +2 and raining here.
    Wol Euler: so 20 sounds pretty good.
    Fefonz Quan: i won't argue with that
    Eliza Madrigal: Right now these is a beautiful breeze going in South Florida, but all week it has felt like Summer still...
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Storm
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :)
    Eden Haiku: Hi Storm;-)
    Wol Euler: hello storm
    Storm Nordwind: Hello all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Storm, Hi Zen
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen
    Eden Haiku: Bonjour Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Fefonz Quan: hello Zen
    SophiaSharon Larnia has to confess, looked up temperature converter
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Fefonz Quan: (-> zen we take Berlin)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Wol Euler laughs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Wol Euler: hello zen
    Eliza Madrigal: SSharon, I would have needed to as well.. that's why I didn't say "It has been 90* but rather it has been like Summer)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Fefonz Quan: :)
    Fefonz Quan knows that feeling
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: I thought it was only the British who continually talk about the weather :)
    Storm Nordwind: This Brit doesn't
    Storm Nordwind: He negotiates with the gods and makes the weather instead! ;)
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Zen Arado: well - it is interesting !
    Eliza Madrigal: Thus the name I guess
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nice
    Eden Haiku: Discussing weather/Playing as being numbers/Celsius Farenheit
    Solobill Laville: The weather Gods of Colorado are quite favorable indeed
    Zen Arado: clesius in Canada?
    Wol Euler: nice one, Eden
    Wol Euler: yes, zen.
    Eden Haiku: In Quebec at least.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Eden :)
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Zen Arado: funny how we use such mixtures of measuring units
    Fefonz Quan: (that Quanada isn't it? :)
    Fefonz Quan: lately i have found how difficult it is to maintain the PaB spirit when at work
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh it is Fefonz
    Wol Euler nods
    Fefonz Quan: it is a little hard to 'rest and appreciate being' when you have urgent things that need to get done NOW
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that si still a very important part of it for me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: si=is
    Storm Nordwind: Is it the regularity that is difficult? Or the quality of the practice? Or the experience?
    Fefonz Quan: can you say some more ShopiaSh?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, for the same reasons you pointed out, the urgency of pressing tasks, and the frustrations involved with that
    Fefonz Quan: the urgency and intensity of task Storm, makes it hard to 'let things be', cause it requires active actions all the time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the quality, i am in a faster mode not conducive for contemplation
    Zen Arado: but you are being mindful if you are fully doing your tasks?
    Fefonz Quan: and it is much harder to see things as 'been done without 'you' involved' and YOU need to do them
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Zen Arado: being fully present is what it is about surely?
    Fefonz Quan: *when YOU
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very good point Zen
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Wol Euler: hello yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: There may be an ajustment period Fef, where your pace has changed and therefore the way you integrate pauses changes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Yakuzza
    Zen Arado: Hi Yak
    Fefonz Quan: Hey Yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)
    Eden Haiku: Hello Yakuzza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Meaning, when I go into a new schedule, I lapse.. then I feel the lack more strongly until I find balance again...? something like that
    Storm Nordwind: Being fully present is not something even many mindful people do. That is because they haven't yet glimpsed what 'fully' means.
    Fefonz Quan: I am sure Eliza, and i am not saying it is not a part of the practice,
    Eliza Madrigal nods, yes good to notice :)
    Fefonz Quan nods to storm
    Fefonz Quan: (and what 'present' is too)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind nods to Fefonz :)
    Zen Arado: but maybe trying to stay present with daily tasks is like meditation - you keep bring yourself back when the mind wanders?
    Fefonz Quan: (btw - the meaning of my name is 'present', ;))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i do things that require my full attention
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice Fefonz!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: many of them, quickly
    Zen Arado: in some ways it is easier so long as what you are doing is interesting
    Wol Euler: heh, how apt.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nice Fefonz :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes Zen, but even for 'trying' you need some attention on it
    Zen Arado: yes but isn't the effort to do this always strengthing itself?
    Zen Arado: likew you get better at meditation
    Fefonz Quan: (thanks, though it is in the 'gift' meaning)
    Wol Euler: even better :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Either way is nice
    Fefonz Quan: yes Zen, i also agree to that.
    Eliza Madrigal: I like the idea of the effort doing its own strengthening
    Zen Arado: it is when we step back and think about how we are doing that isn't so good?
    Eliza Madrigal: not me strenghthening the effort
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Eliza, me too
    Zen Arado: always wonder how much effort we need
    Eliza Madrigal: (sorry for the horrible spelling-heh)
    Storm Nordwind: meditation can be a tool and there are very many different forms. But if the object of our meditation is chaos then we will be centred on chaos. If meditation does not also point you to what is real, then I wonder if I'd bother to do it!
    Zen Arado: we can be lazy meditators too I think
    Zen Arado: sit and daydream
    Zen Arado: go into a stupor
    Fefonz Quan excel on that sport Zen :)
    Zen Arado: I am guilty :)
    Wol Euler nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i havent thought of that, Storm!! interesting..... puts things in a different perspective for me, thanks
    Storm Nordwind: That's why Play as Being practice is so good. You only have to last 9 seconds!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: however, i see it as letting being see...even the chaos, and appreciating the reflection of the presence of being.... a window
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: just waiting...
    Fefonz Quan nods to storm
    Eliza Madrigal: beautiful SSharon
    Solobill Laville: Appreciation is key, agree SS :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, im too busy at work to have thought of anything else laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: I like that image... a face looking out and everything smiling back
    Zen Arado: 'letting being see' nice Sophia
    Storm Nordwind recalls his first exercises in seeing as being seeing were at work. That was a key exploration for me in PaB last year
    Eden Haiku: Shiva on top of Mount Kailash overlooking the world...
    Storm Nordwind: Actually Eden... when I managed to do it properly, that image was not unlike the reality
    Eliza Madrigal would love to hear more about that Storm whenever you might share
    Fefonz Quan: In hebrew, Shiva is one of the ancient verbs for 'see'
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, can you say more?
    Storm Nordwind did not know that Fefonz. Beautiful!
    Fefonz Quan: i just got it now...
    Solobill Laville: I recall reading that, Storm
    Storm Nordwind: Last year we did a brief set of exercises in Play as Being. One of them was called You seeing, Being Seeing.
    Wol Euler smiles and nods
    Fefonz Quan: (and everybody sings - - YSBS......)
    Storm Nordwind: The idea was to be fully present in yourself and see all you can see - like a cone of perception from your eyes, your skin feeling everythinh etc
    Storm Nordwind: And then you had to make the switch to being aware of seeing as Being instead. Letting Being see.
    Storm Nordwind: It took me a day or two, but I remember the awe when I eventually connected to it
    Storm Nordwind: It was, for me, like reading the Bhagavad Gita and being Krishna in his all powerful form.
    Zen Arado: like getting your 'self' out of the way?
    Eliza Madrigal: a real shift then...
    Storm Nordwind: But I have to say, it was hard to be conscious of that and also to operate in this small world at the same time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im glad this came up today, i wasnt sure if i was 'stuck'.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (but also realize now, that doesnt really matter all that much)
    Fefonz Quan: maybe that's what holds me back, even when i practice 'being see', i let it see from my ponit of view...
    Storm Nordwind: No Zen. Tat that point there was no self. There was not even a way to get out of or to. Complete no separation.
    Wol Euler: bye rrose, take care.
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Rrose :)
    Storm Nordwind waves
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Bye Rrose
    Zen Arado: bye Rrose
    Fefonz Quan: by Rrose
    Solobill Laville: bye :)
    Eliza Madrigal: "Fully" Complete
    Eden Haiku: I also have to leave . Bye everyone!
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Eden
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eden :)
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Eden :)
    Wol Euler: bye eden, take care.
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Eden, hope to see you again soon
    Zen Arado: bye Eden
    Fefonz Quan: bye Eden
    Fefonz Quan: I will have to leave too, it's almost november 5th here :)
    Wol Euler: wb yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: Re functioning, yes how then does one just go about the day... talk about the weather :)
    Solobill Laville: Night, Fef
    Storm Nordwind: Light a firework for me Fef!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Fef, good to see you
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh! bye fefonz :)
    Wol Euler: goodnight fef, take care
    Zen Arado: bye Fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: Have fun at the RL retreat Eliza and Sopihash!
    Fefonz Quan: and goodnight to you all!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Fef :) I'll say hello :)
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    Storm Nordwind: Before everyone disappears, is there anyone who can take my slot here at this time tomorrow please?
    Solobill Laville: I have a meeting, sorry, Storm
    Wol Euler: I *might* be able to, but I don't know for sure
    Wol Euler: else I would have offered
    Storm Nordwind: Thank you both for considering anyway!
    Wol Euler: I'll certainly come by as soon as I can get into SL
    Eliza Madrigal: SophiaSharon and I will be getting read for dinner together this time tomorrow
    Eliza Madrigal: *ready
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :))
    Solobill Laville: How cool is that
    Eliza Madrigal: Very!
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Wol Euler: yeah, really
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its still sort of unreal
    Zen Arado: where is the retreat?
    Solobill Laville: Princeton
    Storm Nordwind: Take a work notepad with you girls! It's unlikely you'll get away without any work! ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahah
    Wol Euler: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs! I'm on it already Storm!
    Eliza Madrigal takes note of Storm's note
    Zen Arado: what state is Princeton in - sorry for my ignorance
    Storm Nordwind: New Jersey
    Solobill Laville: Sorry, NJ
    Eliza Madrigal: I should go finish cramming my liquids into a tiny plastic bag
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yea thats a pain Eliza
    Solobill Laville notes he must excuse himself...bye all
    Solobill Laville: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Solobill
    Storm Nordwind: Just put in checked baggage Eliza
    Zen Arado: bye Solo
    Wol Euler: bye solo, thanks for coming by
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Solobill, good to see you
    Solobill Laville waves
    Storm Nordwind: Bye SOlo
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes I might Storm... we'll see
    SophiaSharon Larnia: woman have some liquids they dont trust on checked luggage, like perfumes or what have you
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or this one does anyway
    Wol Euler: :)
    Storm Nordwind pretends to understand about perfume
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
    Eliza Madrigal: I've spent much time today asking my daughters to find things Ive leant them...
    Eliza Madrigal: like tiny bottles of perfume and such
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Wol Euler grins
    Zen Arado: only allowed 100 mls ?
    Wol Euler: why does shampoo etc only come in 400ml bottles?!
    Eliza Madrigal: as much as you can fit into a qt bag is how I'm judging
    Wol Euler: yes, a TOTAL of 100ml >:/
    Storm Nordwind: I use hotel freebies. They are small. Empty the stuff out of them. Put your own stuff back in.
    Wol Euler: they confiscated my toothpaste!
    Eliza Madrigal: ohhh that's true, that's considered liquid
    Zen Arado: I lost shampoo and shower gel because it was 250 ml this year
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh! i had that happen before
    Storm Nordwind: It's considered gel
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, security pretty much boosts the costly cathering ? :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: going home and was careless, throwing stuff in any old bag
    Wol Euler: though, actually, you can take any amount of liquids or gels in *checked* bags...
    Storm Nordwind: exactly
    Wol Euler: just not *with* you
    Yakuzza Lethecus: by the way are the states still intending to make europeans pay 10ג‚¬ for travelling in ?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I suppose I have to pay the $15
    Storm Nordwind: You must be traveling Continental then!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im not sure Yakuzza
    Eliza Madrigal: yup!
    Eliza Madrigal: It would be more American, which is how I'm going home
    Wol Euler: wait, you pay extra to check baggage?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yessss
    Eliza Madrigal: that's changed since the last time I flew
    Wol Euler: good god :/
    Storm Nordwind: On some airlines, not all.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no not all
    Eliza Madrigal: tell me about it. $15 for a smile and $10 for hello
    Wol Euler snorts
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ugh
    Storm Nordwind: And they make it a special privilege for High Mileage members to get it free. Wow! :-/
    Wol Euler: bah
    Eliza Madrigal: humbug
    Storm Nordwind: pooey
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i like Delta, they had the good cookies, and tv's still on the back of the seats ;p
    Eliza Madrigal: Storm, Eos is over at the museum wandering
    Eliza Madrigal: Ohh like JetBlue Sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Storm Nordwind: Shall I set the dogs on him Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: He forgot we weren't doing book club
    SophiaSharon Larnia: simple pleasure, yup thats me
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Eliza Madrigal: hah...no
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay...yes I really better go
    Eliza Madrigal: hah, sorry... bye all
    Storm Nordwind: Have great time
    Wol Euler: cry havoc and let slip the dogs of Art, to coin a phrase
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza!
    Zen Arado: bye Eliza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have to go, take care all
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks so much!! Bye for now
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, pack well and hvae a great retreat.
    Storm Nordwind: Are you staying in Marquand?
    Wol Euler: bye ss, enjoy the retreat. Don'T worry :)
    Eliza Madrigal: No, at the Hyatt
    Storm Nordwind: k
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks Wol!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: b4n
    Zen Arado: how long is the retreat?
    Storm Nordwind: Remeber, they can't confiscate Being!
    Wol Euler laughs
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha!
    Wol Euler: though I wouldnt put it past the bastards to try.
    Storm Nordwind hums Taxman by the Beatles
    Wol Euler: :)
    Zen Arado: didnt realise Sophia was going:)
    Storm Nordwind: I think I am going too. Thanks for the hospitality :)
    Wol Euler: bye storm, be well.
    Zen Arado: ok me too then
    Storm Nordwind: Thanks
    Storm Nordwind: Namaste
    Zen Arado: namaste
    Wol Euler: bye zen, take care
    Zen Arado: bye
    Wol Euler: so, yaku, bist du noch hier?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: jep
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: mindfull wie immer :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: st¤ndig abwesend :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wer fliegt jetzt eigentlich definitiv nach malta ?
    Wol Euler: huh, weis ich nicht.
    Wol Euler: du, bert, wahrscheinlich ich
    Yakuzza Lethecus: du,bert,pema
    Wol Euler: pema wollte...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ich hab bisher auch noch nicht gebucht
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ich wollte immer nochmal ins reiseb¼re
    Yakuzza Lethecus: b¼ro
    Yakuzza Lethecus: und dabei is es bisher auch geblieben
    Wol Euler nicht. Ich warte bis ich meine Fluge nach Kanada buche, danach sollte ich gen¼g Miles haben um gratis zu fliegen
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bert hat schon vor fast nem momt gebucht
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, flugmeilen verstehe ich auch noch nicht
    Yakuzza Lethecus: gelten die f¼r alle airlines ?
    Wol Euler: nur innerhalb von Star Alliance, d.h. Lufthansa, BA, Air Canada ...
    Wol Euler: einige andere
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wollte fefonz auch nach malta ?
    Wol Euler: mmm, k¶nnte sein, ja
    Wol Euler: wer noch? Gaya?
    Wol Euler: ich glaube, irgendein Brite wollte mit.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sie hatte probleme mit der einwanderung in england
    Yakuzza Lethecus: gb
    Yakuzza Lethecus: aber genau mick
    Wol Euler: ah, ja, richtig. wollte aber konnte nicht
    Wol Euler: mick!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nicht das alter wichtig w¤re, aber ich glaub es sind fast alle 50+ :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: es sei denn fef w¼rde kommen den sch¤tze ich mal auf mitte 30
    Wol Euler: etwa so, ja :)
    Wol Euler: nah, ganz ohne belang :) Kannst trotz deiner Jugend kommen :))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: verdammt, mein hauptproblem ist das ich zuviel denke!
    Wol Euler: :)))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: und das nicht gerade konstuktiv
    Wol Euler: "don't worry, be happy"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ich bin noch nie geflogen :)
    Wol Euler: ah so.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: und einerseits is es bl¶d st¤ndig ausreden zu suchen wobei ich weis das ich es einfach machen m¼sste
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: oder: gehe mit dem Schiff dorthin.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe :)
    Wol Euler: von Italien aus, sollte schon m¶glich sein
    Wol Euler: ist nicht weit
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ne, flugangst habe ich ,,noch nicht"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: dammit, i hate this topic since i am really not clear in my mind
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so it´s even unpleasant to talk to somebody because i am either pro and con at the same time
    Wol Euler smiles. Okay, we can leave it. You have plenty ot time left to decide.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: since from a rational point of view i should just to have the experience
    Wol Euler: well :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so good night for now :)
    Wol Euler: goodnight, sleep well.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: dammit
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye :)
    Wol Euler: (you know more people die in bed than in airplaines, right? :-PPPP
    Wol Euler giggles
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care
    Wol Euler: bfn
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