2009.11.14 07:00 - Sense of Time - The Clock sense or Otherwise

The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

Wol Euler: saturday 14 november, 7am
Wol Euler: ain't nobody here but us chickens.
sophia Placebo: greetings
Wol Euler: hello :)
Wol Euler: nice outfit.
sophia Placebo: ty :)
sophia Placebo: seems that tp in sl today isnt working well
Wol Euler nods sadly. It was already messy last night (our night)
Wol Euler: they're doing another set of rolling server restarts, that always screws up the system for a few days until it all stabilizes
sophia Placebo: i see
Wol Euler: lag in SL is like rain in RL-Europe, you have to live with it :)
sophia Placebo: hehe
Wol Euler: how are you getting on, Sophia?
sophia Placebo: getting on what ?
Wol Euler grins and makes a vague gesture. Life, that stuff :)
Wol Euler: everything going well?
Wol Euler: oh dear. pop goes the sophia.
Wol Euler: wb
sophia Placebo: thnx
sophia Placebo: crash :)
Wol Euler nods
sophia Placebo: any great recent thoughts or observations ?
Wol Euler laughs. there's a challenge.
Wol Euler: I realized this morning that November is half over.
Wol Euler: the year is 7/8ths over.
Wol Euler: where did it go?
sophia Placebo: :)
sophia Placebo: some one eat it
Wol Euler: yeah, really.
Wol Euler: or I spent a few consecutive months asleep.
sophia Placebo: heeh hehe
--BELL--
Wol Euler: I booked myself into a work-related conference for mid-November, and I was still thinking "well, that is weeks away yet!"
sophia Placebo: i do that always ! thats why i didnt booked myself for anything until after december , it is just a feeling that the days are somewhat running , and i wont be able to catch them !
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: I might be able to attend the tuesday events, have to talk to the boss tomorrow
Wol Euler: otherwise it's money lost.
sophia Placebo: you didnt talk to the boss yet ?
Wol Euler: no, I truly just figured it out this morning!
Wol Euler shakes her head.
sophia Placebo: :) you really need to satrt running
Wol Euler: I do.
sophia Placebo: lol , ok , take a breath then
Wol Euler: it's funny, I have been writing hte date on documents every day all year, and yet I never connected "today is 13 November" to "there's a conference on the 16th"
sophia Placebo: hmm
sophia Placebo: sometimes we lost the sense of counting dates to the sense of how far it seems
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: like knowing that it's 8:30 but not realizing that means that we are late
sophia Placebo: yeah
sophia Placebo: it is only 8:30
Wol Euler: do you use a paper calendar on the wall, or digital?
sophia Placebo: we still have 15 mints to go from west to the east of the city
Wol Euler grins
sophia Placebo: nop i dont use any kind of documintations
Wol Euler: do you trust your memory that strongly? wow.
sophia Placebo: i guess i use to do that , should start document though , it makes events more organised
sophia Placebo: start to *
sophia Placebo: but usually there are scheduals for each event
sophia Placebo: like given paper with date time and place of one event
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: hello yakuzza
sophia Placebo: Hi Yak !
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Yakuzza Lethecus: topic ?
sophia Placebo: how are you ?
Wol Euler: we're talking about calendars and events and how to keep track of time
sophia Placebo: time
Yakuzza Lethecus: fine, thx i hope you guys are also well
Wol Euler: quite well, thanks, enjoying a day off
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, thats also an issue for me
sophia Placebo: im alive so far !
Wol Euler: :)
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: kabat zinn once said in his mindfulness for beginners, we are more well then damaged as long as we breath :P
Wol Euler: true
sophia Placebo: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i also try to keep track of the events and possibilities in sl with calendar and s
Yakuzza Lethecus: schedule
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am even logged on twice often at 1 pm slt
Yakuzza Lethecus: because most of the good events happen at the same time
Wol Euler smiles
Yakuzza Lethecus: and i try to reduce SL time in general
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i think i am back to a healthy level now
sophia Placebo: hehe
Wol Euler: hmmmm, did you think your previous level was unhealthy (too high)?
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i skip places  now, what even sometimes provided my with something unexpected
Yakuzza Lethecus: but was pretty much a waste of time often
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i thought it was
Yakuzza Lethecus: but the exploring was great right now i am more back to an habitual level
Yakuzza Lethecus: where i just visit the places i found by the time i came to sl
Wol Euler nods
Yakuzza Lethecus: like TLE, KIRA and thothica
Yakuzza Lethecus: k thephilosophyclass is still great
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i visit that place most of the time with my alt acc
Yakuzza Lethecus: since it´s 1 am
Yakuzza Lethecus: most of the time tuesdays and thursdays
Yakuzza Lethecus: and then is pab overlapping with gilles on wednesdays
sophia Placebo: you really have schedual !
Yakuzza Lethecus: so it would be great to do those things right away
sophia Placebo: hmm yak
Yakuzza Lethecus: please ?
sophia Placebo: any great thoughts or observations recently ?
Wol Euler smiles
Yakuzza Lethecus: nothing great
Yakuzza Lethecus: i should increase the level of concentration on the sessions
sophia Placebo: hmm
Wol Euler: how so, yaku?
Yakuzza Lethecus: so only things on general interest in my habits of being in SL and pab
Yakuzza Lethecus: i still don´t know whats healty in my daily habits
Yakuzza Lethecus: and i always try to create more habits which aren´t static
--BELL--
Wol Euler: wb again :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so, i changed some of my habits over the last year, after work i don´t hear radio in my car i try to hear lectures on topics i don´t have a specific interest in but would be nice to have heard about
sophia Placebo: thnx again :)
Wol Euler nods
Yakuzza Lethecus: or things i had an opinion about but actually now true information but my prejudices
Yakuzza Lethecus: i even heard something about literature :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i never read a book and even right now i am stuck with podcasts and audiobooks
Yakuzza Lethecus: but it´s fine i finally make it through those and the don´t get dusty in the cupboard :)
Wol Euler: it's the concepts that count, a "book" is just packaging.
Yakuzza Lethecus: bookshelf
sophia Placebo: you need mind to read books not books to make mind
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, how to find something in books which i am thinking about
Yakuzza Lethecus: so it´s hard so get the right answers to idea´s and questions for me out of the internet in a written form
Yakuzza Lethecus: and the value of accidental learning increased for me :)
Wol Euler smiles and nods
sophia Placebo: hmm
Yakuzza Lethecus: can you elaborate on the hmmm ? :)
sophia Placebo: you seems like running after something
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, and i think that is exactly what i am supposed to appreciate right now
Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean the curiosity
Yakuzza Lethecus: in fact this place is much about what i describe as accidental learning
sophia Placebo: how is accidental learning ? enjoyable ? unexpected ? chaotic?
Wol Euler: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s sad that ur the only one out of an arabic context here
Yakuzza Lethecus: but it´s very international
Yakuzza Lethecus: many highly educated people which i am unable to talk on topic often
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i have to google many things :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so sadly it´s biased with western culutre
Yakuzza Lethecus: culture
Yakuzza Lethecus: even when we have many people interested in eastern conteplative study :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: but still we´re 90% western cutlure
Yakuzza Lethecus: and i don´t even know if i count korea not as western culture
sophia Placebo: i dont see you as westerners untill you start talk about weather or politics
Wol Euler chuckles
Wol Euler: we are all SL-culturists in a way
Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean even to think i cathegories as western or not western is an negative abstraction
sophia Placebo: not at all
Yakuzza Lethecus: like thinking about east and westgermans :)
Wol Euler: we share a few attributes and habits that are very unusual in our "outside" cultures
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s better to just think on topic in the moment
sophia Placebo: take as hmm first answer that comes to mind to a question
--BELL--
sophia Placebo nods to Wol
Yakuzza Lethecus: mindfullness and being more judgemental on the moment is
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello visitor
sophia Placebo: Hi visitor!
sophia Placebo: sometimes habits is all there to unify a group of poeple
sophia Placebo: and habits sometimes is all there to make them think they are diffrent
Wol Euler: it is :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: right
sophia Placebo: :)
Wol Euler: they often run over the 60 minutes
Wol Euler: the record is 7.5 hours :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: actually i
sophia Placebo cant imagine a session that long
Yakuzza Lethecus: isn´t it only supposed to be 30 minutes ?
Wol Euler: well, the guardian is supposed to attend for at least 30 minutes.
Wol Euler: it's up to her/him how long to actually stay.
Yakuzza Lethecus: i know that everyone stays the hour but i remembered that there was something with the 30 min :)
Visitor: I love to join you...and I would love to participate, what I'm not fond of is the recording...
Wol Euler: the TOS requires that we ask about the recording. May we print your name and comments in the published record of this meeting?
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, i got to go, take care you both
Yakuzza Lethecus: cya in another session visitor
Wol Euler: bye yaku, enjoy the weekend.
visitor: bye
Wol Euler: we can anonymize you in the record
visitor: very good, at least until I see what this discussion is about...that's good
Wol Euler: well, this session in particular has been mostly gossipy, the weekend mornings often are :)
visitor: so..I have the note now, and the group schedule
Wol Euler: in theory, as you read, we are a meditation group and we discuss the practices
Wol Euler: in reality, we talk about a lot of strange things that are somehow vaguely related
Wol Euler: we started today talking about memory and calendars :)
visitor: that's ok, everything is related
Wol Euler: indeed.
visitor: I had this landmark in my inventory and I did not remeber what is was :-)
Wol Euler: :)
visitor: now I know...Thank you Wol, I see you next meeting
--BELL--
Wol Euler smiles. Bye for now