2009.11.17 07:00 - in praise of TV Practice

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.  The title was also selected by Riddle.  You'll just have to read on to understand this wonderful new mindfulness practice that is presented.

    Riddle Sideways: good morning arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, it is morning here.......and good morning Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: Yes, it is morning here too, but it sounds more greeting then 'good night'
    Archmage Atlantis: The earth revolves.placing different faces to the sun........as I talk to more people, I become more aware
    Riddle Sideways: yes, it is an enlarged awareness of people on the other side of a spinning globe
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree
    Riddle Sideways: chatting next to each other here

    Riddle Sideways: I did a very different practice last night
    Archmage Atlantis: Tell me of it, that has value to me
    Riddle Sideways: Well, I am getting sick (too many sickies around me) and I took the night off
    Riddle Sideways: got in bed and watched TV
    Archmage Atlantis: smile
    Riddle Sideways: with a notepad of paper
    Archmage Atlantis: the body of RL remains as a teacher
    Riddle Sideways: There was the most ... (not sure of word) interesting, thought provocking... show on
    Riddle Sideways: In the 60's there was a 13 epi show called "The Prisoner"
    Riddle Sideways: incredable show
    Riddle Sideways: I have rewatched it many times
    Riddle Sideways: well... somebody has made a new updated (re cheapened) show of it
    Riddle Sideways: with commericials that allow me to write down my thoughts of what it is doing to my mind
    Archmage Atlantis: We all think of our time here as a golden age
    Archmage Atlantis: And the learning passed forward as less
    It does appear this Riddle does not listen/acknowledge what others are writting.
    Widget Whiteberry: good morning
    Riddle Sideways: hi widget
    Archmage Atlantis: So, your thoughts?
    Riddle Sideways: well too many thoughts because there were 3 1 hour shows back to back and I wrote at every commercial
    Riddle Sideways: one of those thoughts was what you mentioned
    Riddle Sideways: my age was the golden age
    Archmage Atlantis: Brilliant, I am impressed
    Riddle Sideways: and they cheapened it's memory and passed only the commerical value
    Archmage Atlantis: Commercials as PaB time, chuckles

    Widget Whiteberry: what is the subject, please?
    Riddle Sideways: Widget, we were talking about watching a remake of a favorite TV show with pencil and paper
    Riddle Sideways: The Prisoner
    Widget Whiteberry: watching with pencil and paper?
    Widget Whiteberry: The Prisoner .... I have a vague memory .... I remember that! (help from Wiki)
    Riddle Sideways: the original was a study in personal, human and societal mind control, expansion, explorations, twists.
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Widget Whiteberry: are you one of the writers?
    Riddle Sideways: I was watching a tv with pencil and paper to write thoughts every 10 minutes during commericals
    Widget Whiteberry: ah, a kind of practice
    Riddle Sideways: like taking a break every 15 min
    Riddle Sideways: only about a 60 sec break every 10 min

    Archmage Atlantis: I do nor write often, but lately my thought patterns have begun to organize their learning
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Riddle Sideways: nods, but knows I need to take notes for review
    Riddle Sideways: for any upcoming exams :)
    Widget Whiteberry: what do you notice Archmage?
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, an opening to share
    Widget Whiteberry: yes, please
    Archmage Atlantis: h
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    The logger did not keep the formatting :(
    It was down the chat so nicely.

    Archmage Atlantis: This
    Archmage Atlantis:
    ziggarat Clarity as Insanity
    The ziggarat is built
    it stands in the world of dreams
    The past is brought forward
    To guide the future
    All gods and Gods are called home
    All the female force is gathered
    The birthing shall begin a new creation

    Widget Whiteberry: Good day, Zen
    Riddle Sideways: hi Zen
    Zen Arado: Hi Widget, Arch, Riddle
    Zen Arado: I haven't seen you for a long time Widget
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Zen
    Widget Whiteberry: nor I you, Zen
    Zen Arado: was at conversation cafe I think
    Zen Arado: just meditatin here today?
    [should show that much silence had passed ...]
    Widget Whiteberry: I came late and am not sure of the trajectory for this session - if there is one
    Riddle Sideways: well zen I had been going on tooo much about a TV watching practice
    Riddle Sideways: thinking that TV might not be so bad if you can bring your mind into it
    Zen Arado: not a good practice I think :)
    Zen Arado: most of it is mindless
    Riddle Sideways: so need to bring mindfulness with us

    Archmage Atlantis: Riddle left out that he had been ill with a virus
    Riddle Sideways: oh yes that too
    Zen Arado: ah you had an excuse anyway
    Zen Arado: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: One needs all the facts
    Riddle Sideways: went to bed, only had energy for TV
    Zen Arado: of course
    Widget Whiteberry: I remember using a tv show when recuperating - Northern Exposure on the VCR
    Riddle Sideways: but found that they put commercials at spots that give one time to reflect
    Zen Arado: perhaps there is a place for it then
    Riddle Sideways: there is a remake of "The Prisoner" happening now
    Riddle Sideways: I remember the original being so deep
    Widget Whiteberry: Ifound it a comfort and if I had done what Riddle described, I think I would have found it gratifying
    Widget Whiteberry: a place to write from

    Riddle Sideways: ignoring the beer and car adverts and writing down how that segment made me feel
    Riddle Sideways: or learnt
    Riddle Sideways: at first it was "I am mad that they are cheapening a good show"
    Zen Arado: like wanting to buy beer and a new car?
    Riddle Sideways: there is that too
    Zen Arado: they are very effective
    Riddle Sideways: if I like the show... should I buy the deodorent
    Archmage Atlantis: Funny
    Archmage Atlantis: It is only data
    Riddle Sideways: later it got to "what was in these writer's heads"?
    Widget Whiteberry: data is food for our minds
    Riddle Sideways: they must know the original story/show
    Zen Arado: it would be interesting to write an article called 'In praise of TV'

    Riddle Sideways: take in data for 10 min then write/think for 90 sec
    Zen Arado: I tend to focus on negative aspects of it
    Riddle Sideways: yes, is very easy to see it's dark side
    Riddle Sideways: maybe that is what I am pushing here
    Archmage Atlantis: I am very interested in your impressions Widget
    Zen Arado: yes Widget
    Widget Whiteberry: my impressions of?
    Zen Arado: this subject
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm
    Widget Whiteberry: TV at times for me has been a comfort
    Archmage Atlantis: Of whatever you wish to say
    Widget Whiteberry: a substitute for community
    Widget Whiteberry: a poor one
    Widget Whiteberry: a way to lose myself
    Widget Whiteberry: SL had displaced it
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Widget Whiteberry: so I'm thinking of how the practice
    Widget Whiteberry: Riddle and Archmage were discussing
    Widget Whiteberry: might apply here
    Zen Arado: it would stop you being mindless
    Widget Whiteberry: I often wear a title that says 'SL is* my blog'
    Zen Arado: maintain your critical faculty
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Riddle Sideways: maybe when the 15 min gong goes off you write more blog entrees
    Archmage Atlantis: Widget is not mindless, that was very cruel
    Widget Whiteberry: SL engages my creativity and mindfullness
    Zen Arado: was only speaking generally
    Widget Whiteberry: ah, Archmage, I wasn't hurt by that
    Zen Arado: not referring to Widget
    Widget Whiteberry: but that was very kind of you
    Zen Arado: I meant ppl in general becoming mindless
    Archmage Atlantis: 'that is a judgement, that ppl in general become mindless
    Riddle Sideways: the usual one to many (TV/Radio/etc.) can be mindless making

    Widget Whiteberry: hmmm, sometimes mindlessness has seemed appealing
    Zen Arado: yes I see TV watching having that danger
    Widget Whiteberry: since what was in my mind was too painful for me to live with
    Zen Arado: of course there are very interesting programmes too
    Zen Arado: we have very good documentaries on the BBC here in the UK

    Widget Whiteberry: I think this conversation is less about TV and more about how we interact with our environments -
    Riddle Sideways: the goal of mindlessness, beginner mind, etc. are noble
    Riddle Sideways: ah yes, widget
    Widget Whiteberry: oh, another meaning of mindlessness
    Riddle Sideways: try to interact with the non-interactive?
    Widget Whiteberry: often at PaB, I find new meanings for concepts I am familiar with

    Zen Arado: so I should be more open and less critical of TV watching
    Archmage Atlantis: More open, yes, .....less critcal, no
    Riddle Sideways: agree
    Widget Whiteberry nods agreement
    Zen Arado: surely mindlessness is the opposite to mindfilness?
    Widget Whiteberry: I would have thougth so too, Zen
    Widget Whiteberry: we need a glossary!
    Zen Arado: I find I cannot enjoy some movies because I am too critical though
    Zen Arado: all special effects and no story
    Riddle Sideways: sometimes that can be your point
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
    Zen Arado: sometimes we have to suspend our critical faculty a little I think
    Archmage Atlantis: bingo

    Riddle Sideways: many times we have to adjust our attitude toward [whatever] to enjoy, enrich, abide
    Riddle Sideways: or just zone out
    Zen Arado: yes it's often a critical preudice that is the worst
    Zen Arado: prejudice
    Riddle Sideways: for you?
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: I enjoyed a cartoon film lately when someone persuaded me to watch it
    Zen Arado: not cartoon - animated
    Zen Arado: Ice age 3
    Riddle Sideways: and I enjoyed a truely rotten movie with VR friends chatting about it during it
    Zen Arado: :)
    Widget Whiteberry: a group of friends changes everything
    Zen Arado: funny how ppl ridicule me for being in SL because it isn't 'real' and yet they watch soaps

    Riddle Sideways: I enjoyed a water polo game though I did not know the rules
    Widget Whiteberry: some things I watch with my son and his friends that I would never* watch on my own
    Widget Whiteberry: I'm as interested in their reactions and interactions as i am in the program
    Widget Whiteberry: but I learn how to watch the show from them
    Widget Whiteberry: learn what to pay attention to
    Riddle Sideways: being open to spending time with son/friends no matter what they are doing
    Riddle Sideways: open to see things their way
    Riddle Sideways: a good learning
    Zen Arado: yes that is so interesting
    Zen Arado: I watched Sponge Bob and enjoyed it with girlfriend's kids
    Riddle Sideways: BUT, I draw the line at Nitendo vid games
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Zen Arado: yes I never liked vid games
    Widget Whiteberry: I played them with my son
    Widget Whiteberry: so I would know something of his engagement with them
    Zen Arado: their enthusiasm is infectious
    Widget Whiteberry: and so he would know that I am interested in his interests
    Riddle Sideways: very good
    Widget Whiteberry: I saw a lot of movies where things blew up
    Widget Whiteberry grins
    Zen Arado: yes sharing things
    Zen Arado: things always blow up in movies
    Zen Arado: especially helicopters
    Zen Arado: :)
    Riddle Sideways: and humiliate grown ups that can't push the yellow button fast enough
    Widget Whiteberry: pratice!
    Riddle Sideways: hand them a real guitar and see how they do
    Riddle Sideways: Practice!
    Riddle Sideways: and be open to it all
    Riddle Sideways: do something differant in a differant way
    Zen Arado: I used to play guitar
    Zen Arado: now I paint abstracts

    Archmage Atlantis: Now understand
    Archmage Atlantis: you are my grandchildren
    Riddle Sideways: and you are ours
    Archmage Atlantis: The are my greatchildren
    Widget Whiteberry: how so, Archmage?
    Archmage Atlantis: They carry forward my memes
    Widget Whiteberry: 'your' memes?
    Widget Whiteberry: memes you carry or memes you originate?
    Archmage Atlantis: Both
    Widget Whiteberry: I've never been aware of originating a meme
    Archmage Atlantis: Natural selection works there also
    Zen Arado: memes replicate themselves maybe
    Widget Whiteberry: absent the agency of people?
    Zen Arado: maybe using people
    Zen Arado: it's only a theory

    Widget Whiteberry: like Michael Polan's theory about corn and tulips
    Zen Arado: don't know that one
    Widget Whiteberry: "Botany of Desire"
    Widget Whiteberry: he writes from the perspective of certain plants sucessfully
    Widget Whiteberry: engineering our responses to them
    Widget Whiteberry: to allow their wide spread propagation
    Zen Arado: interesting
    Widget Whiteberry: he's a wonderful writer
    Widget Whiteberry: apples, corn, tulips and marajuana
    Zen Arado: but isn't that just evolution?
    Zen Arado: or something more?
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm, he looks from a different perspective
    Widget Whiteberry: I commend the book to you
    Zen Arado: yes sounds interesting
    Zen Arado: thanks

    Widget Whiteberry: how would evolution apply to an abstract concept like meme?
    Archmage Atlantis: More.we are given the tools to our own evolution
    Zen Arado: ideas evolve
    Widget Whiteberry: which is to say they change
    Widget Whiteberry: but I think that's a different use of 'evolve'
    Riddle Sideways: please continue, but I need to be RL now
    Zen Arado: yes but in a way that ensures their survival
    Widget Whiteberry: good day, Riddle
    Zen Arado: bye Rubble
    Oops, when I walked out of range the recording stopped.
    They kept talking (I think), but we have no record of it.
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