2009.12.08 01:00 - Island Life

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni, substituting for Wester.  Comments by Calvino.

    I showed up just on the hour, and very shortly after, Repose Lionheart showed up.  I think this is about the fifth time. I recognized him, and after a while, some additional brain cells started to kick in while we chatted.

    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Repose, how is it going?
    Repose Lionheart: Hi Calvino
    Repose Lionheart: pretty good
    Repose Lionheart: no moderator tonight
    Repose Lionheart: or this morning, i guess
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm the substitute moderator :)
    Repose Lionheart: oh, ok
    Repose Lionheart: not much of a turnout :)
    Repose Lionheart: odd hour i suppose
    Calvino Rabeni: Middle of the night in USA. Sometimes we have Europeans here at this time. It varies - there have been some 2-3 hour rap sessions
    Calvino Rabeni: What area of the world are you in?
    Repose Lionheart: oh
    Repose Lionheart: i'm in southern california
    Repose Lionheart: sl time
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't always remember - maybe we talked about that another time.
    Repose Lionheart: perhaps
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes,it comes back to me now...
    Calvino Rabeni: Night Owls.
    Repose Lionheart: my memory is not always the best either
    Repose Lionheart: oh, right
    Repose Lionheart: now i too remember
    Calvino Rabeni: SO much goes on here - I think my memory is getting a bit better, but still.
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Repose Lionheart: i have a question
    Calvino Rabeni: So what interests you about this group, if I may ask?
    Repose Lionheart: new way of interacting
    Repose Lionheart: group process
    Repose Lionheart: to reinforce individual mindfullness

    And then Wester shows up unexpectedly for her guardian slot, and even stayed to the bitter end (as you will see later)!

    Wester Kiranov: hi - i made it after all!
    Repose Lionheart: must have wider application too
    PaB Listener Master: Calvino Rabeni has just claimed the session and will receive link to the log after the session is done. This replaces any previous claim.

    Repose Lionheart: ahhh...good

    The listener script burped just about then, distracting me with some technical error statuses.  Repose's question gets ignored.

    Calvino Rabeni: Group process can be fascinating. Do you study it?
    Repose Lionheart: another av
    Repose Lionheart: study?
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, Wester. I have the log
    Repose Lionheart: well i'm interesting in it
    Wester Kiranov: i noticed. do you want me to take it instead?
    Calvino Rabeni: Same here, for a long time.
    Calvino Rabeni: Not necessary unless you want it, Wester.
    Wester Kiranov: ty then
    Wester Kiranov: hi repose
    Repose Lionheart: hi wester
    Repose Lionheart: ummm...i don't misbehave, wester
    Calvino Rabeni: We might be talking about group dynamics :)
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I think, you know some things, Wester?

    This time I actually responded to the question, after getting distracted earlier.  It turned out to be an excellent question, given that I like revisiting the basics. You can't have too much "basic", according to my old Tai Chi instructor.

    Repose Lionheart: though i have a question
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes?
    Repose Lionheart: what counts as play in Play as Being?
    Calvino Rabeni: Greate question.
    Calvino Rabeni: I think, it is an idea that we can do this with a light feeling, have fun, not carry a seriousness.
    Wester Kiranov: I think any definition would restrict it unnecessarily
    Calvino Rabeni: Anything can be meaningful in th study of life and being.
    Repose Lionheart: true
    Calvino Rabeni: RIght, it couldn't be defined
    Wester Kiranov: but how you feel doing it is important
    Calvino Rabeni: It means, relax and stay open.
    Calvino Rabeni: Curiousity is a good thing too!
    Calvino Rabeni: That is what comes to me about it.
    Repose Lionheart: ok
    Repose Lionheart: thanks
    Wester Kiranov: you can play an "official" game in a very grim way, that would not count as playing
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: You know, the definition of "play" in a dictionary has todo with "freedom of movement"
    Repose Lionheart: i'll continue to think about it
    Calvino Rabeni: Kids play, they kind of make stuf up as they go along.
    Wester Kiranov: ah - degrees of freedom
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: They don't know ahead of time.
    Play as Being 15 minute bell: Conversations here are recorded when ON AIR. Please see http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Play as Being 15 minute bell: Please observe 90 seconds of silence.
    Calvino Rabeni: Creatuve and engaged intelligence
    Repose Lionheart: yes, that's why a tried a kid av at the last PaB session i attended :)
    Play as Being 15 minute bell: Thank you.

    Calvino Rabeni: How was that to be a kid again in SL?
    Calvino Rabeni: Did u feel different?
    Repose Lionheart: av identification is an interesting thing
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Repose Lionheart: but i don't think it added anything to a pab session
    Repose Lionheart: play is too internal here
    Repose Lionheart: no pies in the face
    Wester Kiranov: just snow ;)
    Repose Lionheart: hehehe

    Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between a pregnant pause, mindful sitting, and waiting for a new topic. 

    Calvino Rabeni: Anyone want to say what happened during the pause?
    Repose Lionheart: play as freedom from internal constraint perhaps
    Wester Kiranov: and the pond is freezing over - someone has been seriously playful there as well
    Calvino Rabeni: Storm I think
    Repose Lionheart: yes!
    Wester Kiranov: hi arch
    Calvino Rabeni: Good eve / day, arch and koya

    (Koya is  a white tiger cub avatar that accompanies Archmage.)

    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Wester, Repose, Calvino
    Repose Lionheart: hello, Archmage

    No one volunteered, so I ventured a comment on the experience during the pause.  Dutifully perhaps?

    Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes during the timeout my mind returns to freedoms I felt during the day, to kind of get more of them
    Calvino Rabeni: If they passed too quickly
    Wester Kiranov: can you give an example?
    Repose Lionheart: i sit quietly, the monkey mind stills...
    Calvino Rabeni: Sure. I had dinner with my mother, and it was a "normal" conversation
    Calvino Rabeni: But I had an image of her suddenly not as a human, but as a natural animal. We were talking animals at another PAB session
    Calvino Rabeni: Then reflecting, I realize it loosens my idea of her and there is more room in my concept, to be natural with her
    Calvino Rabeni: It was a good feeling
    Calvino Rabeni: And the pause helped it kind of settle in.

    This percolated a bit, and then:

    Archmage Atlantis: Nice story, Cal....ties experience to the practice....plus it's kind of sweet :)
    Repose Lionheart: yes :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Does it make any sense, that experiences can pass into concept, and get stuck there. For instance, what to do during the pause - I somethmes think it will get to be always the same.
    Calvino Rabeni: Thus I want play in it.
    Repose Lionheart: hmmm...
    Wester Kiranov: I just realized this is one of the reasons it feels good to be here - there's room for pause, for silence
    Repose Lionheart: oh...yes!
    Calvino Rabeni: that is great :)
    Archmage Atlantis: For me, for experience to pass into concept and/or meditation is the best times, pause or not
    Wester Kiranov: but what you just said calvino, that is something to stay aware of. because it's so easy to get stuck
    Calvino Rabeni: sure is
    Calvino Rabeni: in groups, there's often or usually I think, the expectation you have t say something fast in order to look smart, or conneted, etc. But it ends up shallower or more automatic than it could be.
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Play as Being 15 minute bell: Conversations here are recorded when ON AIR. Please see http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Play as Being 15 minute bell: Please observe 90 seconds of silence.
    Archmage Atlantis: For me, it is a letting go of analysis, letting the thoughts come forward from within the mind/body/soule
    Repose Lionheart: better to speak when you have someting to say :)
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Play as Being 15 minute bell: Thank you.

    I liked Arch's response, but didn't know how to say that, exactly. It seemed a mindful attitude seeing oneself almost as another.

    Calvino Rabeni: You honor yourself, Arch.
    Archmage Atlantis: How do you mean that, Cal?
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks for asking. Your last comment - let the thoughts come from the mind/body/soul - I think is a way of listening to what is in oneself and acting like it matters - crediting it with a reality.
    Calvino Rabeni: Remembering to see yourself.
    Calvino Rabeni: That is how I translate your comment to my own understanding
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, yes, that us well said, "listening to what is in oneself" and "acting like it matters"
    Calvino Rabeni: Could be called self-acceptance.
    Archmage Atlantis: I does matter, in my understatnding
    Calvino Rabeni: But not in a passive way
    Repose Lionheart: and "remembering to see yourself"
    Repose Lionheart: like that
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I think of it almost like, how to see another person.
    Calvino Rabeni: Without taking them for granted
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Wester Kiranov: without thinking that you already know what you're like
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, we are not just one thing, and all of us is not visible
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Repose Lionheart: yes, not all visible...
    Calvino Rabeni: All that is not visible - not immediately useful - not already involved in doing what life needs in the small moment.
    Archmage Atlantis: Smile, indeed Cal, so true
    Repose Lionheart: the small moment -- interesting
    Repose Lionheart: nice way to put it...

    It felt like we were tuning into a similar thing, and I thought of a poem that visualized the state of affairs from which this idea was a departure.

    Calvino Rabeni: Do you mind if I share a poem ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Please do
    Repose Lionheart: love it
    Wester Kiranov: that's fine
    Calvino Rabeni: Not mine
    Calvino Rabeni:


    O for God's sake
    they are connected

    They look at each other
    across the glittering sea
    some keep a low profile

    Some are cliffs
    The Bathers think
    islands are separate like them

    This was actually a dramatic end to the session, although we didn't realize it.  There was a lengthy pause.  Then a weird thing happened that I had never experienced before in SL, starting with the ominous phrase:

    Disconnected from in-world Voice Chat

    I found myself shipwrecked, washed ashore on a different island in SL,  an adult-themed sim with strange inhabitants that had avatars specialized to imaginative sexually-themed relationships.

    But eventually I discovered I could teleport to the Kira Cafe, which is not in the same Sim as the PAB Pavillion.  All this took up some time.  I IM-ed Wester and eventually, the others and retrieved the members of the meeting.  The sim had crashed or been rebooted without warning.  Moreover the log was lost, not sent to me as expected.

    The Play As Being island was still not inhabitable.  We all stood around in the virtual snow outside the Kira Cafe.  Mindfulness was all but forgotten as we took care of business.

    Calvino Rabeni: I tped AA here, Wester
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks, I thought it might have been you, wester
    Calvino Rabeni: THey are interesting, but not used yet
    Wester Kiranov: hi arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Wester
    Calvino Rabeni: If we had a moveable chat logger, we could do roaming sessions every now and then.
    Calvino Rabeni: (although people might pop in and miss it)
    Wester Kiranov: nice dance ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: were you being the guardian Cal?
    Wester Kiranov: he filled in for me, and then I did manage to get there after all
    Archmage Atlantis: That comment should be in the log, so others would see it
    Wester Kiranov: but he should have the log
    Calvino Rabeni: It may be on my hard disk
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, a few "emergency procedures" never hurt

    Calvino Rabeni: I did find the chat data on my disk
    Archmage Atlantis: Did you locate Repose also, Cal? - although the meeting is really past the end of it's time period, and I have to go do RL things
    Calvino Rabeni: I will try now
    Archmage Atlantis: Repose Lionheart
    Wester Kiranov: I think we all have other things to do. would like to leave now as well - we can stay in touch about the chat log.
    Wester Kiranov: I would like to thank you both for an interesting session
    Archmage Atlantis: I hadn't seen him there before, but there are still people who come to meetings that I don't
    Calvino Rabeni: Repose is on his way here
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I like ending on Cal's poem actually
    Wester Kiranov: repose has been to some meetings, but he is pretty new
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks both!
    Wester Kiranov: bye then
    Archmage Atlantis: Your composition Cal?
    Wester Kiranov: namaste
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye Wester
    Calvino Rabeni: Poem is by Muriel Rukeyser - I sent a link but it was lost in the crash.
    Calvino Rabeni: http://intercapillaryspace.blogspot....r-islands.html
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, well it was an excellent choice - Beautiful imagery
    Calvino Rabeni: Repose logged off. And I will go also. See you another time,Archmage.
    Archmage Atlantis: Late Cal :) - have a good next period
    Calvino Rabeni: You too - bye.


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    Originally written on 08:59, 09 Dec 2009
    The record of this session in the external database is indeed incomplete, it breaks off when the sim went offline. There was no notice sent when it restarted, because script states and memory content do not survive a reboot: the newly-started Listener has no recollection of what its forefathers were doing. Fael or I could have given Calvino the URL to the fragment of the conversation that was saved, but it would not have been much use. File this one under "shit happens."
    Posted 12:53, 9 Apr 2010
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