2009.12.10 13:00 - feeling no-time?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

    Qt Core: Hi Lia
    Lia Rikugun: hello Qt
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi QT Lia
    Lia Rikugun: hello agatha
    Qt Core: Hi Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: I just had a crash and appeared iside the village hall!
    Agatha Macbeth: inside
    Qt Core: while you were walking you had a script error sign near your left elbow, Agatha
    Bertram Jacobus: hi all - how are you ? :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, what does that mean?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bert
    Lia Rikugun: hi bertram good thank you and you?
    Qt Core: don't know
    Agatha Macbeth: Hee hee thanks!
    Wol Euler: hello everyone
    Qt Core: not bad, bert, and you
    Bertram Jacobus: don´t ask lia ... ty ;-9
    Qt Core: ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Wol:)
    Lia Rikugun: hello liza
    Qt Core: hi wol
    Liza Deischer: hi all
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Liza
    Bertram Jacobus: and qt - same - ty you for asking but i don´t want to bore here ...
    Qt Core: ok
    Bertram Jacobus: hey wol ! :-)
    Lia Rikugun: oh hi wol
    Wol Euler: hiya
    Bertram Jacobus: and liza ! :-)
    Liza Deischer: hi
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Wol!
    Wol Euler: feels less like an interview this way
    Bertram Jacobus: lol. nice choice wol
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Liza Deischer: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: tribunal - does that word exist in english ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yup
    Wol Euler: oh yes
    Bertram Jacobus: lol oke
    Bertram Jacobus: hey sll ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: sry : ssl
    Wol Euler: hello sophia, aubergine
    Lia Rikugun: hello Sophiasharon
    Bertram Jacobus: hy aubergine ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Soph :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi all :) sl doing weird things, had to clear cache, taking forever to rez
    Liza Deischer: hi aubergine
    Aubergine Mint: hi everyone
    Liza Deischer: hi sophia
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi minty Aubergine!
    Bertram Jacobus: i call that "normal" ssl ... ;-)
    Qt Core: hi aubergine, sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Bert :(
    SophiaSharon Larnia: umm and this message is texting repeatedly "SophiaSharon Larnia's PaB Listener: No longer recording. Have a nice day. :)"
    Bertram Jacobus: the best picture i ever heard about sl was "i take it like the whether, sometimes sunshine, sometimes rain" ... :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Whether or not Bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: oh wheather ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Nearly!
    Agatha Macbeth: Stormy wheather?
    Bertram Jacobus: grmbl ... %$?=*#%&
    Bertram Jacobus: ;o)
    Wol Euler hums Stormy Monday
    Agatha Macbeth: Tee hee...only kidding :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hey!
    Liza Deischer: hi alfred
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Alfred
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Alf
    Lia Rikugun: hello alfred
    Bertram Jacobus: hello alfred :-)
    Wol Euler: hello alf
    Qt Core: hi Alfred
    Alfred Kelberry: good to see you all :)
    Agatha Macbeth: U2
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i cant see much still *cries*
    Bertram Jacobus: a reliable group ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: ups ssl ... sry for you ! ... :-/
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Alfred Kelberry takes a deep breath and relaxes
    Agatha Macbeth: Cant see much, why Soph?
    Wol Euler: hello calvino
    SophiaSharon Larnia: umm dont know, in sl
    Bertram Jacobus: nice idea alfred - don´t want to take a seat ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Liza Deischer: hi calvino
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lost a bunch of inventory, all my gestures
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, yes.. thank you, bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hy cal
    Lia Rikugun: hello calvino
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Agatha Macbeth: Nasty
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yup
    Bertram Jacobus: should come back ssl
    Agatha Macbeth: I've heard of that happening
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think a few i know have it worse right now
    Wol Euler: actually, there are server and region restarts happening today, that might be the cause.
    Wol Euler: if so, the lost items should be back tomorrow
    Alfred Kelberry: wol is in the know, as usual :)
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: does make one think of attachment, specifically
    Wol Euler points to SL's Twitter feed.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ahh thanks Wol *breaths a sigh of releif*
    Wol Euler: indeed, we get attached to our attachments here
    Wol Euler: or vice versa
    Cup Of Green Tea whispers: Ah! Steaming Green Tea!
    Bertram Jacobus: hy yaku
    Alfred Kelberry: i won't be surprised if you can tell what exact asset server my scarf is on, wol :)
    Agatha Macbeth: That must mean Yaku is here
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Yaku
    SophiaSharon Larnia: especially if you put a lot of work in creating something, and then it is gone
    Liza Deischer: hi yakuzza
    Lia Rikugun: hello yakuzza
    Wol Euler: hello yaku's steaming teacup
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Aubergine Mint: hi Yaku
    Qt Core: hi Yak
    Agatha Macbeth: Me too i think....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Yakuzza
    Jamaican Spice whispers: A beautiful zesty herbal infusion with brilliant red liquor and a bouquet of flavors accented by the tartness of hibiscus, properly offset by the sweetness of cinnamon. Added cloves and orange peel inspire joyful dancing! A little spicy, a little sweet, just like you, Agatha Macbeth
    Calvino Rabeni: belatedly -hi all :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Calvino
    Alfred Kelberry: wol, nice idea to talk to the things that represent us :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: again a hi to you cal - for the case you could not read it before ... :-)
    Wol Euler: I was thinking of that some time ago, how to represent ourselves here.
    Alfred Kelberry: hi, leather boots :)
    Wol Euler: Alf is easy, scarf and tulips
    Wol Euler: I'm easy too, leather and black lace
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't beat it
    Wol Euler: mmhmm :)
    Alfred Kelberry: mint's got a hoodie :)
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    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Aubergine Mint: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hey, and uggs, too :)
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    Aubergine Mint: :)
    Wol Euler: qt is recognizable by his Star Trek communicator badge
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Alfred Kelberry: or by the qt library :)
    Qt Core: no, alfred, the comm badge
    Qt Core: never used that library
    Alfred Kelberry: well, it's my skewed perception :)
    Qt Core: that's ok, better than the people reading my name as cute ;-)
    Alfred Kelberry: btw, wol, you forgot my little penguin friend here - he says hi :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Wol Euler: sorry pingu! hello
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Or Cutie :)
    Alfred Kelberry: well, qt is cute :)
    Qt Core: even worse :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I don't disagree!
    Agatha Macbeth: With Alfred that is
    Bertram Jacobus: i guess qt is ... qt ? :-)
    Alfred Kelberry: :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Calm down Bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: that was only ONE sentence (!?) ... hm ...
    Qt Core: :-) it really has a story, i used qt (or something like that) since i got online more than 10 years ago
    Agatha Macbeth: Fox approacheth
    Bertram Jacobus: hello fox :o)
    Agatha Macbeth: Here he comes....
    Agatha Macbeth: Et voila!
    Lia Rikugun: hello fox
    Fox Monacular: hello all
    Bertram Jacobus: great
    Qt Core: hi Fox
    Wol Euler: hello fox
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Fox
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Fox
    Aubergine Mint: hi Fox
    Liza Deischer: hi fox
    Agatha Macbeth: She
    Bertram Jacobus: who ?
    Alfred Kelberry: oh... lia has a tail :)
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Lia Rikugun: do you want one too?
    Alfred Kelberry: em.. why not :)
    Wol Euler: it's an onigokko
    Lia Rikugun: one sec :)
    Fox Monacular: I don't go to Pab without my tail anymore... just in case :)
    Wol Euler: ah, abergine and liza might not know that eihter!
    Wol Euler: hehehehe
    Liza Deischer: ????
    Wol Euler: it's sort of a PaB trdition.
    Alfred Kelberry: wait, wher edid your tail go, lia?
    Wol Euler: invisible, quite harmless
    Aubergine Mint accepted your inventory offer.
    Wol Euler: wear it :)
    Wol Euler: especially here, and particularly especially on fridays
    Alfred Kelberry: what? wearing a tail is a pab's tradition?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    Lia Rikugun: everyone wears one?
    Bertram Jacobus: onigokko ? :-)
    Wol Euler: wearing an onigokko is.
    Aubergine Mint: what does it do for me?
    Wol Euler: noting at all, until somebody says the magic word
    Wol Euler giggles
    Lia Rikugun: ....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: poison´s ur mind with ethernal silliness :)
    Bertram Jacobus: who does it ?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: it's bad form to say it if you aren't wearing one yourself.
    Lia Rikugun: onigokko
    Bertram Jacobus: lool
    Wol Euler laughs
    Lia Rikugun: HAHA
    Bertram Jacobus: lia did it ! :o)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Alfred Kelberry: haha
    Aubergine Mint: a hoot!
    Bertram Jacobus: stop
    Alfred Kelberry: now this is cool! :)
    Bertram Jacobus: *ggg*
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Aubergine Mint: nice!
    Liza Deischer: okay........ :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Where were you Liza?
    Alfred Kelberry: man, i loved it :)
    Bertram Jacobus: then ...
    Wol Euler: what, you've never done that before alf?
    Bertram Jacobus: we can have it again ! ... :o)
    Alfred Kelberry: quite refreshing :)
    Alfred Kelberry: nope, first time
    Bertram Jacobus: o
    Bertram Jacobus: ni
    Lia Rikugun: :D
    Bertram Jacobus: onigokko
    Bertram Jacobus: ! :o)
    Alfred Kelberry: haha
    Bertram Jacobus: and now nobody stops it ... :o)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: stop
    Aubergine Mint: this is the most fun I've had yet at PaB!
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Wol Euler: we are thinking of doing it in RL at the retreat in Malta.
    Alfred Kelberry: flash mob :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahahaha
    Lia Rikugun: yeah!
    Qt Core: !
    Lia Rikugun: looking forward to it
    Alfred Kelberry: played on qt and liza apparently :)
    Bertram Jacobus: lol alf - yess ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: (flashmob)
    Agatha Macbeth: Same to you Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: same to me (?)
    Agatha Macbeth: Uh huh :)
    Alfred Kelberry: i think she likes you, bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s terrible not to be a native english speaker ! ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Oi
    Agatha Macbeth: You're probably better than me
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    Irish Tea whispers: Ahh tea, irish whiskey and cream....oh ya...now this is good, Agatha Macbeth.  You know they say that God invented whiskey so the Irish would not take over the world.  Well this is a fine way to serve it.
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    Wol Euler grins. Ty, sophia
    Lia Rikugun: I may have a question
    Agatha Macbeth: We may have an answer
    Bertram Jacobus: please, ask lia !
    Lia Rikugun: :) I hope so


    how do I feel no-time?

    Lia Rikugun: I was thinking about time today
    Lia Rikugun: and trying to fell no-time
    Lia Rikugun: to loose the sense of linearity
    Bertram Jacobus: (or many answers ... and associations) ...
    Lia Rikugun: and somehow this turns out to be very difficult for me
    Bertram Jacobus: normal
    Lia Rikugun: I am just wondering how you are approaching this idea
    Bertram Jacobus: interesting
    Bertram Jacobus: not easy to come free from habits
    Bertram Jacobus: why did you want to do that ?
    Lia Rikugun: yes yes, the structuring happens in our brain
    Lia Rikugun: hm because this semms to be a partial 'goal' no-time, no-self
    Bertram Jacobus: i see
    Aubergine Mint: really?
    Aubergine Mint: why no time?
    Bertram Jacobus: for me, there are two states relating to this : linear being - and the here and now ...
    Aubergine Mint: what can we keep in this group?
    Lia Rikugun: aubergine, I am not sure i can give you a good answer
    Bertram Jacobus: keep ? nothing ?
    Lia Rikugun: yes here and now, this is somehow easier
    Lia Rikugun: to concentrate on the here and now
    Bertram Jacobus: easier as what please ?
    Lia Rikugun: than no-time
    Bertram Jacobus: ah okay
    Liza Deischer: can you tell us a little bit more about your experiences with no time Lia
    Aubergine Mint: isn't the here and now time?
    Lia Rikugun: hm
    Lia Rikugun: let me think
    Bertram Jacobus: beyond words - may be not aubergine (?) ...
    Aubergine Mint: how so?
    Lia Rikugun: basically I am still trying to understand what this no-time exatcly means
    Bertram Jacobus: bye trying, experiencing i guess aubergine
    Lia Rikugun: in some buddhist books I believe it is described but I do not have a citation at my hand
    Agatha Macbeth: Where are the Tralthamadorians when you need 'em?
    Bertram Jacobus: and may be one can call it "one of the thousands words for the same thing" -
    Lia Rikugun: actually we have a time workshop which is held every monday at 2pm
    Alfred Kelberry: no-time for me would be a singularity
    Lia Rikugun: we started talking about time


    SophiaSharon had an interesting experience meditating and feeling like floating on the sea

    SophiaSharon Larnia: have you ever meditated in a reclining position, and visualized that you are floating on the sea, after a while you can feel the movement of the water, and thought drops away, that to me is no-time
    Lia Rikugun: and now we are reading and discussing the Time Space and Knowledge book
    Wol Euler: ooh, an arcane yet aposite Kurt Vonnegut reference. Ten points to you.
    Lia Rikugun: this is why I am thinking about it
    Bertram Jacobus: trathalmadorians ! i search and miss them too, so often ! ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Thank you dear :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Lia Rikugun: wow sophia
    Lia Rikugun: i had a similar feeling while meditating
    Lia Rikugun: but i was enclosed by a complete darkness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Lia Rikugun: with no relative points
    Lia Rikugun: nothing to grasp
    Lia Rikugun: nothing changing
    Alfred Kelberry: agatha, is it about a possibility of having a no-time experience?
    Lia Rikugun: somehow like no-time
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't ask me, ask Billy Pilgrim :)
    Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tralfamadore
    Calvino Rabeni: On the next pause, we can put our attention on time (proposal)
    Agatha Macbeth: Shame about Dresden. (Truly)
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    Bertram Jacobus: hi steve
    Lia Rikugun: hi steve
    Wol Euler: hello steve
    Liza Deischer: hi steve
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks Lia, for putting in words what is difficult for me to express
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Lia Rikugun: it is always very difficult for me
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)


    how can we shift our experience of time?

    Calvino Rabeni: A question is, what can you do that shifts your experience of time in some way?
    Lia Rikugun: hm, you could see everything as appearances :)
    Lia Rikugun: then what you see now is an appearance
    Lia Rikugun: not future
    Wol Euler: alcohol, reading, cinema, meditation, work ...
    Calvino Rabeni: interesting
    Lia Rikugun: but I dont know
    Alfred Kelberry: first, i assume, you'd like to put yourself in a place that doesn't change often :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes wol. i thought similar : "everything" ...
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: not to forget : sitting on a hotplate (!) ;-)
    Lia Rikugun: :) autch
    Alfred Kelberry: this is probably why meditation is usually done in a quiet, motionless environment that facilitates the no-time experience
    Bertram Jacobus: changes your time feeling very quick
    Calvino Rabeni: IMO, part of doing phenomenology - studying experience - is to look at what you already have as experience, and look for new distinctions to emerge there
    Calvino Rabeni: does that make sense?
    Liza Deischer: do you experience time when youre sitting on a hotplate
    Lia Rikugun: can you say more calvine please
    Bertram Jacobus: when you lead your attention to that : yes you can i would say liza
    Calvino Rabeni: It is a somewhat different approach than taking a concept like "no time" and trying to imagine "all the way there"
    Calvino Rabeni: WHich might sometimes work
    Liza Deischer: I wonder
    Calvino Rabeni: It is
    Liza Deischer: can you lead your attention at that moment
    Calvino Rabeni: more incremental an approach
    Bertram Jacobus: one must be a bit trained i would think liza


    Alfred Kelberry: calvino, if i get it right, it looks a lot like a good scientific method. you do the experiments (experiences) a number of times and then compare results (distinctions) in order to understand the process :)
    Bertram Jacobus: "a bit"
    Calvino Rabeni: in a way, yes. Also like proceeding carefully step by step
    Alfred Kelberry: i like this concept better than a vague no-time notion
    Calvino Rabeni: Suppose time is like a string
    Calvino Rabeni: and your experiences are like pearls on that string
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: So each one shines fully because - the shine is the quality of attention it gets


    A samurai movie has a scene where opponents face off and stare silently but full of attention

    Calvino Rabeni: Did you ever watch samurai movie?
    Lia Rikugun: no :(
    Wol Euler: yes :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Unlike the kung fu movie there is a type of scene
    Agatha Macbeth: One or two
    Bertram Jacobus: "the last samurai" - with tom cruise (!)
    Alfred Kelberry: shashabooey! :)
    Calvino Rabeni: where the opponents face off and stare silently
    Calvino Rabeni: but with full attention - as if there is a break, the other can enter that gap
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night
    Agatha Macbeth: The Water margin was brilliant
    Alfred Kelberry: bert, right, the only one i recall
    Agatha Macbeth: And Kagemusha
    Calvino Rabeni: So it becomes life-and-death matter for them to be "in the moment"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what is the opponent here
    Alfred Kelberry: calvino, wild west shooters do that too :)
    Wol Euler nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Solid snake said much the same :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes very tru, the showdown scene
    Calvino Rabeni: Opponent here is the world
    Liza Deischer: ??
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    Bertram Jacobus: i like these / your thoughts cal - ty ! ...
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    SophiaSharon Larnia: the world or the ego?
    Liza Deischer: right
    Calvino Rabeni: Kind of I meant, phenomena - they seem to come at one - but only appear if there is attention
    Aubergine Mint: bye everyone
    Agatha Macbeth: Like that tree in the forest?
    Wol Euler: bye aubergine, take care
    Lia Rikugun: bye aubergine
    Bertram Jacobus: bye aubergine ...
    Calvino Rabeni: "Time is nature's way of making sure that everything does not happen all at once"
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya Aubergine
    Liza Deischer: bye aubergine
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Aubergine
    Alfred Kelberry: bye, hoodie :)
    Wol Euler: nice, calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: Unfortunately - I can't be here and at the WOK presentation in the Kira Cafe at the same time
    Calvino Rabeni: it happens next, yes?
    Alfred Kelberry: cal, i like this one
    Calvino Rabeni: TY alfred
    Lia Rikugun: makes me thinking
    Alfred Kelberry: but i don't get the world is the opponent thing
    Calvino Rabeni: Not that it is against you - it is a metaphor for the way it comes at us as experiences, like the samurai opponent
    Calvino Rabeni: Shifting the experience of time might have to do with dropping the notion that things come at us through a kind of funnel
    Calvino Rabeni: For me, it seems to mix in with knowledge at that point
    Calvino Rabeni: I am not proposing answers, or definitions
    SophiaSharon Larnia: how the world is interpreted by the ego maybe
    Calvino Rabeni: just suggesting a way of proceeding by making distinctions in experience
    Calvino Rabeni: sophia that sounds like a good distinction
    Lia Rikugun: thank you calvino for the suggestions, will need to think about, sorry I will have to go, goodbye to everyone!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Lia
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Lia
    Calvino Rabeni: Same here, I must go. Thanks, all.
    Liza Deischer: bye lia
    Wol Euler: goodnight lia, take care; bye calvino
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Calvino
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Cal

    Alfred Kelberry: one way i can think of it is that this scene presents kind of 2 time frames. one is "in the moment" for the 2 samurai and another is "the world" that is forcing them to go on.
    Liza Deischer: bye cal
    Calvino Rabeni: bye
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, bye, cal
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, bye all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone, take care :)
    Agatha Macbeth: So long steve
    Wol Euler: bye steve; bye sophia
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye *everybody*!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Liza Deischer: bye agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Was it something I said?
    Wol Euler: only the incorrigibles remain.
    Agatha Macbeth: I'm still here Liza!
    Alfred Kelberry: the funny thing about pheno, it starts like a scientific method, but ends up with the world the opponent :)
    Liza Deischer: sorry
    Agatha Macbeth: NP :)
    Wol Euler: metaphorical opponent :)
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, all the meta stuff :)
    Alfred Kelberry: recursive :)
    Wol Euler: Calvino reminded me of one of my favourite films, The Yakuza; I'd been reading the wikipedia article about it
    Alfred Kelberry: the questions is, how many iterations can you handle? :)
    Alfred Kelberry: japanese?
    Agatha Macbeth: Japanese mafia, yes?
    Alfred Kelberry: i mean, the movie
    Wol Euler: yes, and no
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Wol Euler: it's a Western :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Most of them are....
    Wol Euler: in that it addresses the Western themes of duty and honour and comradeship
    Wol Euler: (leaving aside for the moment that business about massacring the Indians...)
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, yeah
    Wol Euler: anyway, a little distraction; sorry.
    Alfred Kelberry: distraction is good
    Agatha Macbeth: No worries Wol :)
    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
    Alfred Kelberry: haha
    Wol Euler: heheheheheheh
    Agatha Macbeth: stop
    Alfred Kelberry: now, look at qt :)
    Alfred Kelberry: he doesn't think it's funny i guess :)
    Agatha Macbeth: awww
    Qt Core: yes ?
    Alfred Kelberry: or his tail is too short :)
    Agatha Macbeth: He has a tail?
    Alfred Kelberry: er..
    Qt Core: in this form no
    Alfred Kelberry: wol? help? :)
    Alfred Kelberry: (distraction time)
    Wol Euler: eh?
    Agatha Macbeth: She's probably in the kitchen
    Alfred Kelberry: hehe
    Wol Euler: naah
    Alfred Kelberry: yea
    Agatha Macbeth: Not this time
    Wol Euler: Qt has the right not to be silly.
    Agatha Macbeth: Sure!
    Alfred Kelberry: oh yes, the trek thing
    Qt Core: qt is silly, he just don't like to dance
    Agatha Macbeth: Wol, in the top right corner of the emerald viewer is a bar going up and down, what is it?
    Wol Euler: net work activity, I think. inbound on the right and outbound on the left
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Liza Deischer: Im off
    Agatha Macbeth: It keeps changing colour
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liza
    Liza Deischer: see you folks
    Wol Euler: goodniht liza, take care
    Qt Core: bye liza
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello again!
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, it's a display of busy-ness
    Wol Euler: green for good, yellow for getting sticky, red for slowing right down
    Agatha Macbeth: Riiiight
    Agatha Macbeth: But my lag meter says all green?
    Wol Euler: yes, do the bars disagree?
    Agatha Macbeth: Having said that, the top oneis now green again!
    Agatha Macbeth: And low
    Wol Euler: mine too. I wouldn't pay too much attention to it, they only tell you what you can already see and feel :)
    Agatha Macbeth: yeah, you know when it's laggy :)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Agatha Macbeth: Have you ever been to Frank's jazz club?
    Wol Euler: no, don't know that.
    Agatha Macbeth: Now *that* is laggy!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: The worst in SL by far
    Wol Euler: popular places usually are, it's the curse of SL
    Agatha Macbeth: In my experience
    Agatha Macbeth: It can take half an hour just to walk up the stairs
    Wol Euler: heh
    Qt Core: i had quite bad experience (and i usually don't have lag) in Italia Vera: Milano Vera, Provincia di Italia Vera (Italy) (basically the Duomo square of Milan
    Agatha Macbeth: In SL?
    Qt Core: yes, many people and a lot of graphic to render the Duomo, the Gallery and the square
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: and probably huge texture files too.
    Qt Core: yes, many details
    Agatha Macbeth: The more prims the worse it gets, no?
    Qt Core: have the place in my picks if you n eed some more lag ;-)
    Wol Euler: mmmmm, prims as such are only a problem if they are moving
    Wol Euler: it's the textures that cause the real lag, as they get downloaded
    Wol Euler: the kira cafe is nearly 3000 prims, but it is low lag because there are very few and very small textures
    Agatha Macbeth: Uh huh
    Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't here some kind of 'disaster' with the cafe once?
    Agatha Macbeth: there
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, the in-world story is that hte kitchen caught fire and it burned dnwo
    Agatha Macbeth: How?
    Wol Euler: the prosaic truth is that the land changed ownership and the prims got returned to Storm
    Wol Euler: one by one
    Wol Euler: individually
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, i read about that in the logs
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Agatha Macbeth: Poor storm!
    Wol Euler: really
    Agatha Macbeth: But he rebuilt it natch
    Wol Euler: Pema was pretty sick about it too, because it was his action that caused it.
    Agatha Macbeth: How so?
    Wol Euler: well, he instigated the land-ownership change, from one group to another, rationalizing landholdings to save money
    Agatha Macbeth: erk
    Wol Euler: not realizing that objects on the land would be affected.
    Agatha Macbeth: The unacceptable face of capitalism?
    Wol Euler: heh
    Wol Euler: "the hidden risks of complex systems" might be closer.
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed ;)
    Alfred Kelberry: er.. sorry, have to go
    Wol Euler: bye alf, take care
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Alf
    Alfred Kelberry: enjoy the pab :)
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Qt Core: bye Alf
    Agatha Macbeth: It's quiet...too quiet
    Wol Euler cocks her rifle
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Qt Core: suddeltly the monster shows himself out of the fountain
    Agatha Macbeth: Who is Suddelty the Monster?
    Wol Euler calmly expels and bans it.
    Qt Core: an inhabitant of Typonia
    Agatha Macbeth: Use the BRP :)
    Wol Euler: my dears, it is late, I must go.
    Agatha Macbeth: Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Wol, take care
    Wol Euler: goodnight, take care, be happy.
    Qt Core: bye Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh well, ciao QT
    Qt Core: ciao Agatha

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