2009.12.12 01:00 - Theories of everything

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello arch
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bertrum
    Bertrum Quan: Good morning Scath
    Scathach Rhiadra: so how are yu both this morning/night?
    Bertrum Quan: Well, thanks. And you?
    Scathach Rhiadra: fine thank you!
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Scathach, Bertrum.......Doing well, and glad you both are also
    Scathach Rhiadra: have you any topic you would like to discuss?
    Archmage Atlantis: None in particular
    Bertrum Quan: What topic would you suggest?
    Scathach Rhiadra: oh, I have nothing in particular:)
    Archmage Atlantis: I suppose we could discuss the relevance of no topic :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: or just appreciate the silence:)
    Bertrum Quan: Do you know if biocentrism has been a PaB topic?
    Scathach Rhiadra: doubt it, though not sure what it means!
    Bertrum Quan: It's a new scientific theory.
    Scathach Rhiadra listens
    Archmage Atlantis: Just looked it up, .... , a fancy way of saying reality is all in our minds, I think
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah:)
    Archmage Atlantis: How would you descrive it Bertrum
    Archmage Atlantis: *describe
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Gaya, nice Avatar:))
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Scath, Bertrum and Archmage :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks :)
    Bertrum Quan: Hi Gaya.
    Archmage Atlantis: A 2 dimensional cat, Gaya?
    Scathach Rhiadra: (we are just starting to talk about boicentrism)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok, please continue :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Boicentrism, that is what teenage girls and gays have, right?
    Archmage Atlantis: chortle
    Bertrum Quan: What I read about it talked about "many worlds."
    Bertrum Quan: There are an infinite number of universes. All exisiting simultaneously. Death does not exist in any of these scenarios.
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, is it like the many worlds theory of Quantum Mechanics?
    Archmage Atlantis: The wikipedia article seems quite complete in discussing it as a theory ....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentrism
    Bertrum Quan: Yes.
    Archmage Atlantis: Although I do not see your points, Bertrum, made explicit in that article
    Archmage Atlantis: Tho they many be implied?
    Archmage Atlantis: *may
    Bertrum Quan: Individual bodies self destruct but the eneregy doesn't go away at death.
    Scathach Rhiadra reading...
    Archmage Atlantis: Is this line of reasoning discussed somewhere ol, Bertrum, that would be an interesting read.
    Qt Core: hi all
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, QT
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Qt!
    Bertrum Quan: Hello QT
    Qt Core: are you low res today, Gaya ?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Qt :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, is it really just saying that we create our own universe, internally , nothing exists externally to the mind's perception of it, or is that too simplistic?
    Scathach Rhiadra: Qt, we are discussing Biocentrism
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, we lost Bertrum.......that is my thought also Scatrach
    Qt Core: following the idea about knowing that i don't know i will say we recreate an our own copy of the universe in our mind , an inexact copy too
    Bertrum Quan: I feel that as an exploration of "reality" this theory is intriguing. Life but no death.
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Ryker
    Bertrum Quan: Does this energy transcend one world to another?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Ryker :)
    Ryker Foxclaw: hey
    Qt Core: hi Ryker
    Ryker Foxclaw: hi
    Scathach Rhiadra: Have you been here before Ryker?
    Ryker Foxclaw: no
    Scathach Rhiadra: ok, I will send you a notecard with some info about this group...
    Ryker Foxclaw: thank you
    Scathach Rhiadra: we are a meditation and discussion group which meets here 4 times a day
    Ryker Foxclaw: sounds difficult
    Scathach Rhiadra: we record our discussions and post to a public wiki, so I have to ask you if it ok to include your name and commentson the wiki?
    Ryker Foxclaw: sure :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: thank you:)
    Qt Core: it is not so difficoulf, just be yourself or even better just be
    Ryker Foxclaw: ok
    Qt Core: that way it feasible even for people (like me) that don't have a philosophical/meditative background
    Ryker Foxclaw: Ok. Are you all meditating?
    Qt Core: no, but silences are common here, as people roll in their heads ideas/phrases read here
    Ryker Foxclaw: Okay
    Qt Core: or just got distracted by rl or ims ;-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: heh, I doubt it, we have been discussing boicentrism, probably reading wikipedia, or just thinking about it:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Ryker Foxclaw: hmm biocentrism
    Scathach Rhiadra: Biocentrism*
    Gaya Ethaniel doesn't know anything about Biocentrism and is listening ... as much as possible.
    Ryker Foxclaw: ok
    Ryker Foxclaw: i will listen also
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Qt Core: before going loosing myself in wikipedia, is biocentrism an enlarged formulation of the anthropic principle ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Ryker, this is a good group, and a good place to explore philosophy and the meaning of life...it does center around a practice, ....the note Scathach gave you should give a good idea
    Ryker Foxclaw: yes, i got lost in the second paragraph
    Ryker Foxclaw: i read it all though
    Archmage Atlantis: I was hoping Bertrum you would give us some reference works to read
    Archmage Atlantis: The Wikipedia article doesn
    Zon Quar: heya
    Archmage Atlantis: t tie in well for me
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Zon
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Zeon :)
    Ryker Foxclaw: Hi Zon
    Bertrum Quan: Perhaps at some point, it would be interesting to hear Pema's take Biocentrism (he may have already addressed it as it draws on physics...
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi Zon
    Bertram Jacobus: hi all :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bertram
    Ryker Foxclaw: Hi Bertram
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bertram :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings Bertram
    Zon Quar: h bert
    Bertrum Quan: I've only read one article. And that article reference an article in SCIENCE which I have not read,
    Bertrum Quan: referenced
    Bertram Jacobus: ty all. - wow - very strange "ava" today gaya ! :-D
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Qt Core: hi Zon, Bertram
    Archmage Atlantis: More of a work of art, than just an av, Gaya *smile*
    Ryker Foxclaw: this wiki article is tough
    Bertram Jacobus: wouldn´t have recognized you without the nametag (!) ... ;o) (@ gaya)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: about which topics or from where are the articles, please, ryker and bertrum ?
    Ryker Foxclaw: biocentrism - wiki
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! ty ...
    Gaya Ethaniel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentrism
    Ryker Foxclaw: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i´ll try to find an article to that in german ...
    Bertrum Quan: Have to log off -- it's late for me. Take every everyone.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye :)
    Bertram Jacobus: bye bertrum. have a good time !
    Ryker Foxclaw: Good night Bertrum
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Bertrum, have a good night
    Zon Quar: sounds nice thwery
    Zon Quar: theory
    Qt Core: bye bertrum
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, interesting, would like to read more about it
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. an ethical topic ... life and it´s value ...
    Bertram Jacobus: or - beings and their values ...
    Zon Quar: must read in peace but its is better than the materialistic view wher we thnink of consciousness as a biproduct of matter that doesnt exist
    Ryker Foxclaw: this is greek to me. an i'm not from greece
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah we don't always talk about such topics Ryker
    Ryker Foxclaw: ah, just a heavy one for my first day? lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree, Scathach
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Rykjer
    Bertram Jacobus: what is or which are the "greek aspect(s)" for you , please , ryker ? :-)
    Qt Core: read wikipedia, i don't like it at all
    Ryker Foxclaw: it's the vocabulary
    Ryker Foxclaw: it's okay, im soldiering on
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. ah. "okay" :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: That was well put Ryker, and honest....I like that
    Ryker Foxclaw: Thank you
    Ryker Foxclaw: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Sometimes, we complicate things a little too much, but sometimes things are hard to say with less complexity
    Ryker Foxclaw: Is Biocentrism a popular theory?
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Ryker Foxclaw: Or well-known?
    Zon Quar: i think any theory that is fun is better than a dull one..lol
    Scathach Rhiadra: it seems to be relatively new theory
    Ryker Foxclaw: and you have already been discussing it for some time?
    Scathach Rhiadra: though the ideas behind it are fairly common in some traditional views
    Bertram Jacobus: i did not discuss it before
    Ryker Foxclaw: I mean, those who were here when I came
    Scathach Rhiadra: we were discussing it just this hour
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Actuallly, the longer I look at Gaya's av, the more I want to say it looks like "Lewis Caroll meets Picasso as envisioned by Salvadore Dali" - I like it Gaya, it's enigmatic :)
    Ryker Foxclaw: and what do people think about it?
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I hadn't heard of it before tonight Ryker.
    Ryker Foxclaw: Ok
    Qt Core: the thing i like in that avatar is the mouth, in a perennial wonder Ohhhh
    Gaya Ethaniel: Time to get going ... :) See you later!
    Scathach Rhiadra: like most theories, nice to look at sometimes, but not to get hunh-up on:)
    Ryker Foxclaw: bye Gaya
    Qt Core: bye Gaya
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Gaya, have a good day:)
    Bertram Jacobus: bye gaya - have a great time please ! :-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: yes, interesting
    Ryker Foxclaw: what's with the silence?
    Scathach Rhiadra: a time-out sort of, to just stop and be:)
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s a idea to experience being without any clinging ...
    Archmage Atlantis: Time to take care of RL, later all :) - it's been enjoyable as always
    Ryker Foxclaw: Ok
    Ryker Foxclaw: bye Archmage
    Bertram Jacobus: bye arch -
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Arch, have a good day/night:)
    Qt Core: it is an enlarged version of the practice you have read about in the noticecard and in the wiki, Ryker
    Ryker Foxclaw: meditation
    Bertram Jacobus: people leave "too fast" - not enough time to say goodbye ...
    Qt Core: 90 sec instead of 9, same interval 15 min
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Ryker Foxclaw: ok
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. very short meditation ryker
    Ryker Foxclaw: do you guys meditate in RL?
    Bertram Jacobus: me : yes
    Bertram Jacobus: do you ?
    Qt Core: me:no
    Ryker Foxclaw: me? no
    Qt Core: (or not yet)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes . ty :o)
    Scathach Rhiadra: well, I must go. Nice to meet you Ryker, have a good weekend all:)
    Bertram Jacobus: bye scath - have a nice day too please
    Ryker Foxclaw: Yes NIce to meet you. See you
    Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
    Qt Core: time to go for me too, havefun
    Bertram Jacobus: bye qt, same for you ! :-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: well, if everyone's off
    Ryker Foxclaw: see ya At
    Ryker Foxclaw: Qt
    Ryker Foxclaw: sorry
    Bertram Jacobus: not yet everyone (!) ... ;-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: I thought you might be next
    Ryker Foxclaw: lol
    Bertram Jacobus: and no sorry necessairy for typos i guess ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: me ? hmmm - no ? perhaps you ? or zon ? ;-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: I usually apologize for typos
    Ryker Foxclaw: its a habit
    Zon Quar: typos ?
    Ryker Foxclaw: typing errors
    Bertram Jacobus: yes :-)
    Zon Quar: ah..lol i do it regurrlarly
    Ryker Foxclaw: I didn't even see that you were still here Zon
    Zon Quar: so i had to apologise all the time
    Ryker Foxclaw: lol
    Ryker Foxclaw: so what do we think of Biocentrism?
    Zon Quar: 1st lines i read was nice
    Bertram Jacobus: i´m more prctical and emotional orientated in these cases : as long as people understand ... it´s kinda "no topic" to me ... :-D
    Zon Quar: yes.. all theories are just theories
    Ryker Foxclaw: yes, but we must have opinions about them
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. i think, it could even be boaring (!) - sorry : so simple, so easy - or unnessecarily complicated. on the other hand it can be entertainement.
    Ryker Foxclaw: you know, unless we don't lol
    Zon Quar: which thory u like most ryker ?
    Zon Quar: theory
    Ryker Foxclaw: what are the choices?
    Ryker Foxclaw: um...
    Zon Quar: pick any
    Ryker Foxclaw: christianity?
    Ryker Foxclaw: is that one?
    Bertram Jacobus: nice
    Bertram Jacobus: yes
    Zon Quar: yes
    Bertram Jacobus: i guess so
    Ryker Foxclaw: oh cool. phew
    Zon Quar: u like that most ?
    Ryker Foxclaw: yes
    Zon Quar: i like most the indian thoughts
    Ryker Foxclaw: how about you guys
    Ryker Foxclaw: like hedonism?
    Zon Quar: vedas
    Zon Quar: buddhissm
    Zon Quar: taoism
    Ryker Foxclaw: ah, what appeals to you Zon? about those
    Zon Quar: someting...
    Zon Quar: oneness
    Zon Quar: of tha existence
    Bertram Jacobus: i learn most rfrm buddhism. and from "the good jesus" as i like to call it. also the north american indians : yes : like them very much, too. and in the end : LOVE
    Ryker Foxclaw: mm i see
    Bertram Jacobus: from*
    Ryker Foxclaw: thank goodness for that silence, i can go to the bathroom
    Zon Quar: freedom from authorities ..direct experience.. attitude of ecploring
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Zon Quar: exploring urself
    Ryker Foxclaw: i see
    Zon Quar: kind of scientific attitude...
    Bertram Jacobus: i find it interesting : in this group, my impression is, always new people bring the most fresh wind ...
    Zon Quar: yes
    Zon Quar: and different views
    Bertram Jacobus: openness !
    Ryker Foxclaw: i have never been to this kind of sim before
    Ryker Foxclaw: i am grateful for the welcoming atmosphere and at the same time nervous
    Bertram Jacobus: but i appreciate your contributions very much ryker
    Ryker Foxclaw: and i appreciate your encouragement, both of you
    Zon Quar: nervous ? why ?
    Ryker Foxclaw: new situation, you know, new people
    Zon Quar: ah..
    Ryker Foxclaw: i've found that even though people say "Just be yourself"
    Zon Quar: here ppl r very respectful..iv noticed
    Ryker Foxclaw: few of them mean it
    Ryker Foxclaw: yes, its nice here
    Bertram Jacobus: nice notion and very interesting again ryker ! (this with "be yourself") ...
    Ryker Foxclaw: thank you
    Bertram Jacobus: my conviction is more : ever help, never harm - and that includes me too ... not so easy but a nice orientation i find ...
    Zon Quar: im off for lunch , c u all later
    Ryker Foxclaw: i was somewhere else when someone said "just be yourself" and i said something which the "intellectuals" thought was stupid
    Ryker Foxclaw: bye Zon
    Bertram Jacobus: bey zon have a great time
    Ryker Foxclaw: have a good one
    Zon Quar: bows
    Ryker Foxclaw: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i have not the impression you were "stupid" at all ! ... :-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: It's a good orientation to have
    Ryker Foxclaw: it was a different sim lol
    Bertram Jacobus: and to much intellectualism is for sure not very good -
    Ryker Foxclaw: i agree. i speak simply, i find it's the best way
    Bertram Jacobus: buddha taught "the middle way" ... by the way : what do you find in christianity special - if i may ask ? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: oh i agree so much ! simplicity is top ! :-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: i have a book on Buddha but i haven't had time to read it
    Bertram Jacobus: there are so many books about that - very bad ones and very good ones ...
    Ryker Foxclaw: I find solace when I pray. Also, many of my prayers have been answered in ways that could only be explained as massive coincidences
    Bertram Jacobus: i see. very nice explanation. ty
    Ryker Foxclaw: no problem. thanks for asking :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-))
    Ryker Foxclaw: Are you in Germany?
    Bertram Jacobus: which sims you visit normally here or did you visit already ?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. i live in cologne. and you ? :-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: I like to get $L by gaming
    Ryker Foxclaw: I also enjoy the truthball cafe, conversation is somewhat simpler
    Ryker Foxclaw: I am from New Zealand
    Bertram Jacobus: lol. i see. a long time i played the money chairs run with all the others who do that and sploders ... which games do you play ?
    Ryker Foxclaw: 7GO and JOKERsomething
    Bertram Jacobus: truthball cafe !? never heard that before ... may be i´ll have a look sometimes there ...
    Ryker Foxclaw: there is a crystal ball
    Ryker Foxclaw: and when you click it, it shouts a question for the room or just you to answer
    Bertram Jacobus: and ... new zealand has similar timezone like europe, isn´t that so ? here it´s 11:28
    Bertram Jacobus: am
    Ryker Foxclaw: 11:28pm here
    Ryker Foxclaw: there
    Ryker Foxclaw: I'm in Korea now
    Bertram Jacobus: korea !? why that ? :-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: I work here :)
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - do you often fly home ?
    Ryker Foxclaw: once a year
    Bertram Jacobus: okay ... interesting ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and you are interested in spiritual topics ? ethics and so ? :-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: yes, there has to be more to SL than sex and shopping
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. and - it exists ! :-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: yes. i think i will come back here
    Ryker Foxclaw: I have many German friends, I want to go there
    Bertram Jacobus: wonderful ! may it be a pleasure for you too always ! :-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: thank you Bertram
    Bertram Jacobus: when you come to cologne - i can show you the town a bit ... :-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: where is cologne? north? west?
    Bertram Jacobus: west
    Ryker Foxclaw: great, i forgot where my western friends live though
    Bertram Jacobus: and in north - south direction : middle
    Ryker Foxclaw: karlsruhe
    Bertram Jacobus: would one call that middle west then ?
    Ryker Foxclaw: yes, americans would say the midwest
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. karlsruhe is about 200 / 250 km away - that should be about 150 miles ...
    Ryker Foxclaw: no, not karlsruhe....hmmm
    Ryker Foxclaw: kaisershlauten
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! a bit nearer : 200 km / 130 miles
    Ryker Foxclaw: kaiserschautern?
    Ryker Foxclaw: lol
    Ryker Foxclaw: yeah there
    Bertram Jacobus: kaiserslautern
    Ryker Foxclaw: okay. Sorry.
    Ryker Foxclaw: lol
    Bertram Jacobus: hey ! ;o))
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Ryker Foxclaw: my main reason to visit will be my friend in Stuttgart
    Bertram Jacobus: i see. also a very intersting town ...
    Ryker Foxclaw: is it?
    Bertram Jacobus: quite rich but kind of alternative too. strange mixture.
    Ryker Foxclaw: great. suddenly i want to go now
    Ryker Foxclaw: lol
    Bertram Jacobus: quite materialistic. but as i said before ... all in motion ... ("alrenative" in a not so very clear form for me yet) ... hm -
    Bertram Jacobus: ok. leave ? from here ? or go to stuttgart ? :o)
    Ryker Foxclaw: stuttgart :)
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! :-)
    Ryker Foxclaw: but also, i have to go lol
    Ryker Foxclaw: :(
    Bertram Jacobus: ah :o)
    Bertram Jacobus: okay ... all is limited, all relative ...
    Ryker Foxclaw: without a doubt we shall meet again
    Ryker Foxclaw: yes
    Bertram Jacobus: i would appreciate it very much
    Ryker Foxclaw: excellent
    Ryker Foxclaw: Be well Bertram
    Bertram Jacobus: have a great time ryker !
    Ryker Foxclaw: goodnight
    Bertram Jacobus: was a real pleasure to meet you
    Ryker Foxclaw: you too
    Ryker Foxclaw: bye

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