2009.12.19 07:00 - Being a non English Speaker and PAB Guardian

The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

Jzara Zsun: Hello :)
Arisia Vita: welcome
Arisia Vita: Hi Yak
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey there
Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope everyone is fine today
Arisia Vita: Hi Vendy and sophia
Jzara Zsun: Hello everyone
Vendy Walpole: Hello Sophia, Jzara, Ari, Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey vendy, sophia
Arisia Vita: please welcome Jzara
sophia Placebo: hello all
Vendy Walpole: rezzing yet
Vendy Walpole: so nice outfit Sofia
sophia Placebo: thnx vendy ^^
Vendy Walpole: yw :-)
Vendy Walpole: I hope you do not mind I sit beside the pillow?
Vendy Walpole: It does not let me move otherwise
Vendy Walpole: I look like frozen while sit on the pillow ...haha
Yakuzza Lethecus: winter hibernation ? :)
sophia Placebo: hehe :) you can change the pose
Vendy Walpole: seems these pillows are not made for tinies too
Vendy Walpole: It happens often in SL with animations for big people used by tinies
Vendy Walpole: Sophia are you the guardian for this session?
sophia Placebo: yes
Vendy Walpole: Would you like to share with mewhat does it mean to you?
sophia Placebo: oh you are so cute , you just rezzed to me vendy :)
Vendy Walpole: oh
Vendy Walpole: thanks, yes, many tell me that ::
Vendy Walpole: ㋡
Vendy Walpole: ㋡
Vendy Walpole: I am gathering experiences of guardian who wish to share them
sophia Placebo: hi tine !
Vendy Walpole: Hi Zon, Tine
Zon Quar: hi
sophia Placebo: hi zon
Qt Core: hi all
Jzara Zsun: Hi
sophia Placebo: hmm , play as being could be a fuel to the silent meditation
Tine Janus: sorry - have to explain : this is bertram here with a girl friend´s avatar - visiting her rl right now - and hello all ! :-)
Zon Quar: lol
Tine Janus: hehe :-)
Zon Quar: i must try that too
--BELL--
Zon Quar: hoe does it feel
Tine Janus: why ? :-)
Vendy Walpole: me/ looks up at long, slim, (Bertram) legs and smiles
Tine Janus: lol ah okay :-)
sophia Placebo: as the silent meditiation could be fuel to writing a book , it is just the other way around , we speak , we meditiate , we come and tell how first affect the sencond , oh well it seems circular
sophia Placebo: hi Qt
Tine Janus: another very hot girl friend made this avatar ... ;-)
Vendy Walpole: Yes, Sophia, there is not big difference between paB and meditation for me so far
Qt Core: hi Sophia
Vendy Walpole: I was surprised how these short mediataions are effective applied in every day life
Vendy Walpole: meditations
sophia Placebo nods
Tine Janus: that´s especially when one does them so often ...
Vendy Walpole: Could you tell me more about being a guardian at seession? The one who has the slot?
sophia Placebo: i just try to be as other participents , except i post the log in the wiki
Vendy Walpole: Do you prepeare at some way before come? Sort the observations, thoughts that would like to share? As a participant also?
sophia Placebo: iam actualy just another particepent
sophia Placebo: hmm nop :)
Vendy Walpole: Yes, but when i come here I think what happend to me lately and if ethere is something intersting I would like to talk about
Vendy Walpole: sorry for typos
sophia Placebo: yes that would be true even if it was not my slot
Tine Janus: thats a nice preparation vendy i find and np with typos -
Vendy Walpole: ty
Vendy Walpole: These days I am occpied with this role being a guardian at paB session
Vendy Walpole: what it means to me, why I come, what I expect
Tine Janus: and - did you find some results already, answers ? :-)
Vendy Walpole: I gface the language problem at the same time that distracts me often
Vendy Walpole: face*
Tine Janus: which is your native language ?
Vendy Walpole: As you have noticed English is not my first language and its not easy to talk about contemplative things in foreign language
sophia Placebo nods nods
Vendy Walpole: it is Serbian and Macedonian and Croatian
Tine Janus: whaow
Vendy Walpole: I live in Yugoslavia
Zon Quar: i couldnt have noticed..
Vendy Walpole: what remined of it
Vendy Walpole: You are joking Zon now
Tine Janus: i feel the same vendy ! and hope to get more used to taht point slowly ...
Zon Quar: ur english seems perfect
Tine Janus: that*
Vendy Walpole: Oh, I am blushing now
sophia Placebo: hehe
Vendy Walpole: thank you Zon, this is helful to know people do understand me :))
Vendy Walpole: helpful
Zon Quar: i do typos allthe tim, im not native either ine englishe
Qt Core: but sometimes telling something in another language helps to watch the subject from a little afar, from an almost outer point of view as you are worrying more about language than about standard prejudices and mental filters
Zon Quar: as u see
Tine Janus: i like your writings also very much vendy . nice not to be alone with that foreign language ... :o)
Vendy Walpole: So, I had to decide should I let that problem stop me from coming here
Vendy Walpole: Where are you from Bertram?
Tine Janus: germany
Zon Quar: good point ct, iv noticed tha too
Vendy Walpole: Often, I have to reread the sentences
Tine Janus: yes. nice to see the advantages qt
sophia Placebo: i like vendy writings too , something of honsety in them make you like them more
Vendy Walpole: first time to translate them in my mind, next time to get the point
Vendy Walpole: ㋡
Vendy Walpole: Thank you Sophia ㋡
Zon Quar: i havefound n many times that it is easier for me to express myself in english..lol
Zon Quar: whcih is funny
Vendy Walpole: And your native language is ....Zon?
Qt Core: i'm surely more open in english than in my own italian
Zon Quar: finnish
Vendy Walpole: oh
Vendy Walpole: I would not notice ever
Vendy Walpole: thought you were from US
sophia Placebo: hmm , it seems no native english speaker is around !
Tine Janus: :-))
Vendy Walpole: nooo
Arisia Vita: ahem...well, none who talk much... :)
--BELL--
Vendy Walpole: There is one and very good even
sophia Placebo: hehe
Vendy Walpole: Arisia
Vendy Walpole: hahaha
Arisia Vita: (saved by the bell)...
Jzara Zsun: I am an English speaker, only. lol
Vendy Walpole: Where are you from Jzara?
Jzara Zsun: The US
sophia Placebo: shhh
Vendy Walpole nods and places the selotape on her mouse's mouth
sophia Placebo: :)
Zon Quar: LOL shhhh
Tine Janus: hehe :-))
sophia Placebo: hmm i find something intersting about languge a few days ago
Tine Janus: and please, vendy, don´t let the foreign language be a too big obstacle - common we can handle it ! ... ;-)
Zon Quar: so if we all woull no dare to express in foreign languege this palce would be quite empty
Vendy Walpole: I can't imagine how do we sound to English native speakers
Arisia Vita: you sound wonderful
sophia Placebo: like foriegn speakers ?
Vendy Walpole: You say that cause you are my friend
Vendy Walpole: yes Sophia
Arisia Vita: and, because it's true
Zon Quar: and..its only words..
Vendy Walpole: yes, but we should try to use the present moment the best we can through words often
Zon Quar: the best we can..yes
Tine Janus: what did you find sophia ?
Tine Janus: about language ?
Tine Janus: something interesting ?
sophia Placebo: i tried to translate the word drop as practically as it is used in pab to my language many times so i can really get what we should drop
sophia Placebo: i couldnt , i kept asking what do you mean by dropping
Vendy Walpole: ah, thats the word that kept my attention too
Vendy Walpole: Perhaps Ari or Jzara could give us the explanation?
sophia Placebo: but then , while i wrote the second note about hajj , i was trying to translate other word from arabic to english and it took me a while and many lines to do so
sophia Placebo: just few days ago , maybe yesterday i noticed that it means dropping !
Zon Quar: i have also find tha engish coinatins words that cannot be translated correctly in my mother tongue or they dnt hae sme connotatios. Thus a foreingn language can give u new meanings to words and new insights.
Vendy Walpole: Yes, agree, to me it is easier when I have time to write some text and think more which word to use , than here where we chat in real time
sophia Placebo: it was like i learned one of those words or both of them for the first time in my life , it was funny feeling , like where were your mind
Jzara Zsun: I can't really say, because I don't understand the context of how you are using the word dropping.
Jzara Zsun: In general it is letting something go.
sophia Placebo: true zon
Vendy Walpole: it should be something lie put down or beside all you have, your name, nationality, gender....
Vendy Walpole: like*
Vendy Walpole: sort of - forget all that for a while
Jzara Zsun: I see.
Vendy Walpole: to me that is -- dropp what you have
Vendy Walpole: which is the PaB practice
Vendy Walpole: You haven't been here Jzara?
sophia Placebo: let all that dosent really define who you truly are , just let it go jzara
Vendy Walpole: I haven't seen you
Zon Quar: nods..drop what u think is urs
Jzara Zsun: No I have not been here before.
--BELL--
Vendy Walpole: You are welcome then to vist us whenever you wish
Jzara Zsun: thank you Vendy.
Vendy Walpole: most welcome
Vendy Walpole: Do you know about our PaB practice something?
Tine Janus: sry - "like" to leave - the real avatar owner likes to play a bit with outfit and such ... cu and have a nice day all - and ty ! :-))
Vendy Walpole: Bye and have fun
Tine Janus: ty . bye bye :-)
Zon Quar: lol
Zon Quar: drop wat is not ur avatar
Jzara Zsun: I really don't know about PaB.
Vendy Walpole: Let me give you the info card as first
Jzara Zsun: Oh, I have that now.
Jzara Zsun: thanks
Vendy Walpole: okay, then you will see we have break each 15 minutes to practice play as Being, dropping all we have, for 90 seconds :))
Jzara Zsun: I understand that, but I am not sure what the purpose of it is.
Vendy Walpole: For me, it helps me be aware of the preesent moment much more, my own thoughts, emotions
Vendy Walpole: and to be here, now
Jzara Zsun: My mind tends to wander to a lot of places.
Vendy Walpole: yes, that is what minds do
Vendy Walpole: when you are aware of being you will see your thoughts jump around, back and forward
sophia Placebo: we try to be in the realm between what is relative and what is absolute and see what really it , kind of exploration of reality i guess
Vendy Walpole: after that the peace should follow
Jzara Zsun: Okay
Vendy Walpole: In my every day life, when i do that as instanve when I am oberloaded or have some problem it makes me more detached from the problem and watch at it as neutral observer
Vendy Walpole: overloaded
sophia Placebo: do you do any meditation jzara ?
sophia Placebo nods to vendy
Jzara Zsun: No
sophia Placebo: i see
sophia Placebo: well we try to enter into a dffrent mental state from that we live with in meditation usually jzara
sophia Placebo: that mental state have diffrent awarness
Jzara Zsun: I am familiar with the ideas of meditation, I have just never practiced it regularly.
sophia Placebo: diffrent awarness make us think of things in diffrent way
sophia Placebo: ok
Vendy Walpole: there is the web site of Play as Being http://playasbeing.wik.is/ There are lots of interesting things about this practice and the recorded conversations
Jzara Zsun: thanks, I will take a look at it.
Vendy Walpole: yw
sophia Placebo: you can just sit and look sielntly to your fingers in the coming 90 seconds
sophia Placebo: try it and see
--BELL--
Vendy Walpole sneaks out quietly waving
Qt Core: bye Vendy
sophia Placebo waves ro vendy
Zon Quar: bye vendy
Qt Core: time to go, see you later
sophia Placebo: bye Qt
Zon Quar: me 2 , bye all
Arisia Vita: bye all...
sophia Placebo: i need to be off too , bye all nice to see you
Jzara Zsun: I will go too
Jzara Zsun: Nice to have met you.
sophia Placebo: :)