2009.12.19 07:00 - Being a non English Speaker and PAB Guardian

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    The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

    Jzara Zsun: Hello :)
    Arisia Vita: welcome
    Arisia Vita: Hi Yak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey there
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope everyone is fine today
    Arisia Vita: Hi Vendy and sophia
    Jzara Zsun: Hello everyone
    Vendy Walpole: Hello Sophia, Jzara, Ari, Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey vendy, sophia
    Arisia Vita: please welcome Jzara
    sophia Placebo: hello all
    Vendy Walpole: rezzing yet
    Vendy Walpole: so nice outfit Sofia
    sophia Placebo: thnx vendy ^^
    Vendy Walpole: yw :-)
    Vendy Walpole: I hope you do not mind I sit beside the pillow?
    Vendy Walpole: It does not let me move otherwise
    Vendy Walpole: I look like frozen while sit on the pillow ...haha
    Yakuzza Lethecus: winter hibernation ? :)
    sophia Placebo: hehe :) you can change the pose
    Vendy Walpole: seems these pillows are not made for tinies too
    Vendy Walpole: It happens often in SL with animations for big people used by tinies
    Vendy Walpole: Sophia are you the guardian for this session?
    sophia Placebo: yes
    Vendy Walpole: Would you like to share with mewhat does it mean to you?
    sophia Placebo: oh you are so cute , you just rezzed to me vendy :)
    Vendy Walpole: oh
    Vendy Walpole: thanks, yes, many tell me that ::
    Vendy Walpole: ㋡
    Vendy Walpole: ㋡
    Vendy Walpole: I am gathering experiences of guardian who wish to share them
    sophia Placebo: hi tine !
    Vendy Walpole: Hi Zon, Tine
    Zon Quar: hi
    sophia Placebo: hi zon
    Qt Core: hi all
    Jzara Zsun: Hi
    sophia Placebo: hmm , play as being could be a fuel to the silent meditation
    Tine Janus: sorry - have to explain : this is bertram here with a girl friend´s avatar - visiting her rl right now - and hello all ! :-)
    Zon Quar: lol
    Tine Janus: hehe :-)
    Zon Quar: i must try that too
    Zon Quar: hoe does it feel
    Tine Janus: why ? :-)
    Vendy Walpole: me/ looks up at long, slim, (Bertram) legs and smiles
    Tine Janus: lol ah okay :-)
    sophia Placebo: as the silent meditiation could be fuel to writing a book , it is just the other way around , we speak , we meditiate , we come and tell how first affect the sencond , oh well it seems circular
    sophia Placebo: hi Qt
    Tine Janus: another very hot girl friend made this avatar ... ;-)
    Vendy Walpole: Yes, Sophia, there is not big difference between paB and meditation for me so far
    Qt Core: hi Sophia
    Vendy Walpole: I was surprised how these short mediataions are effective applied in every day life
    Vendy Walpole: meditations
    sophia Placebo nods
    Tine Janus: that´s especially when one does them so often ...
    Vendy Walpole: Could you tell me more about being a guardian at seession? The one who has the slot?
    sophia Placebo: i just try to be as other participents , except i post the log in the wiki
    Vendy Walpole: Do you prepeare at some way before come? Sort the observations, thoughts that would like to share? As a participant also?
    sophia Placebo: iam actualy just another particepent
    sophia Placebo: hmm nop :)
    Vendy Walpole: Yes, but when i come here I think what happend to me lately and if ethere is something intersting I would like to talk about
    Vendy Walpole: sorry for typos
    sophia Placebo: yes that would be true even if it was not my slot
    Tine Janus: thats a nice preparation vendy i find and np with typos -
    Vendy Walpole: ty
    Vendy Walpole: These days I am occpied with this role being a guardian at paB session
    Vendy Walpole: what it means to me, why I come, what I expect
    Tine Janus: and - did you find some results already, answers ? :-)
    Vendy Walpole: I gface the language problem at the same time that distracts me often
    Vendy Walpole: face*
    Tine Janus: which is your native language ?
    Vendy Walpole: As you have noticed English is not my first language and its not easy to talk about contemplative things in foreign language
    sophia Placebo nods nods
    Vendy Walpole: it is Serbian and Macedonian and Croatian
    Tine Janus: whaow
    Vendy Walpole: I live in Yugoslavia
    Zon Quar: i couldnt have noticed..
    Vendy Walpole: what remined of it
    Vendy Walpole: You are joking Zon now
    Tine Janus: i feel the same vendy ! and hope to get more used to taht point slowly ...
    Zon Quar: ur english seems perfect
    Tine Janus: that*
    Vendy Walpole: Oh, I am blushing now
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    Vendy Walpole: thank you Zon, this is helful to know people do understand me :))
    Vendy Walpole: helpful
    Zon Quar: i do typos allthe tim, im not native either ine englishe
    Qt Core: but sometimes telling something in another language helps to watch the subject from a little afar, from an almost outer point of view as you are worrying more about language than about standard prejudices and mental filters
    Zon Quar: as u see
    Tine Janus: i like your writings also very much vendy . nice not to be alone with that foreign language ... :o)
    Vendy Walpole: So, I had to decide should I let that problem stop me from coming here
    Vendy Walpole: Where are you from Bertram?
    Tine Janus: germany
    Zon Quar: good point ct, iv noticed tha too
    Vendy Walpole: Often, I have to reread the sentences
    Tine Janus: yes. nice to see the advantages qt
    sophia Placebo: i like vendy writings too , something of honsety in them make you like them more
    Vendy Walpole: first time to translate them in my mind, next time to get the point
    Vendy Walpole: ㋡
    Vendy Walpole: Thank you Sophia ㋡
    Zon Quar: i havefound n many times that it is easier for me to express myself in english..lol
    Zon Quar: whcih is funny
    Vendy Walpole: And your native language is ....Zon?
    Qt Core: i'm surely more open in english than in my own italian
    Zon Quar: finnish
    Vendy Walpole: oh
    Vendy Walpole: I would not notice ever
    Vendy Walpole: thought you were from US
    sophia Placebo: hmm , it seems no native english speaker is around !
    Tine Janus: :-))
    Vendy Walpole: nooo
    Arisia Vita: ahem...well, none who talk much... :)
    Vendy Walpole: There is one and very good even
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    Vendy Walpole: Arisia
    Vendy Walpole: hahaha
    Arisia Vita: (saved by the bell)...
    Jzara Zsun: I am an English speaker, only. lol
    Vendy Walpole: Where are you from Jzara?
    Jzara Zsun: The US
    sophia Placebo: shhh
    Vendy Walpole nods and places the selotape on her mouse's mouth
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Zon Quar: LOL shhhh
    Tine Janus: hehe :-))
    sophia Placebo: hmm i find something intersting about languge a few days ago
    Tine Janus: and please, vendy, don´t let the foreign language be a too big obstacle - common we can handle it ! ... ;-)
    Zon Quar: so if we all woull no dare to express in foreign languege this palce would be quite empty
    Vendy Walpole: I can't imagine how do we sound to English native speakers
    Arisia Vita: you sound wonderful
    sophia Placebo: like foriegn speakers ?
    Vendy Walpole: You say that cause you are my friend
    Vendy Walpole: yes Sophia
    Arisia Vita: and, because it's true
    Zon Quar: and..its only words..
    Vendy Walpole: yes, but we should try to use the present moment the best we can through words often
    Zon Quar: the best we can..yes
    Tine Janus: what did you find sophia ?
    Tine Janus: about language ?
    Tine Janus: something interesting ?
    sophia Placebo: i tried to translate the word drop as practically as it is used in pab to my language many times so i can really get what we should drop
    sophia Placebo: i couldnt , i kept asking what do you mean by dropping
    Vendy Walpole: ah, thats the word that kept my attention too
    Vendy Walpole: Perhaps Ari or Jzara could give us the explanation?
    sophia Placebo: but then , while i wrote the second note about hajj , i was trying to translate other word from arabic to english and it took me a while and many lines to do so
    sophia Placebo: just few days ago , maybe yesterday i noticed that it means dropping !
    Zon Quar: i have also find tha engish coinatins words that cannot be translated correctly in my mother tongue or they dnt hae sme connotatios. Thus a foreingn language can give u new meanings to words and new insights.
    Vendy Walpole: Yes, agree, to me it is easier when I have time to write some text and think more which word to use , than here where we chat in real time
    sophia Placebo: it was like i learned one of those words or both of them for the first time in my life , it was funny feeling , like where were your mind
    Jzara Zsun: I can't really say, because I don't understand the context of how you are using the word dropping.
    Jzara Zsun: In general it is letting something go.
    sophia Placebo: true zon
    Vendy Walpole: it should be something lie put down or beside all you have, your name, nationality, gender....
    Vendy Walpole: like*
    Vendy Walpole: sort of - forget all that for a while
    Jzara Zsun: I see.
    Vendy Walpole: to me that is -- dropp what you have
    Vendy Walpole: which is the PaB practice
    Vendy Walpole: You haven't been here Jzara?
    sophia Placebo: let all that dosent really define who you truly are , just let it go jzara
    Vendy Walpole: I haven't seen you
    Zon Quar: nods..drop what u think is urs
    Jzara Zsun: No I have not been here before.
    Vendy Walpole: You are welcome then to vist us whenever you wish
    Jzara Zsun: thank you Vendy.
    Vendy Walpole: most welcome
    Vendy Walpole: Do you know about our PaB practice something?
    Tine Janus: sry - "like" to leave - the real avatar owner likes to play a bit with outfit and such ... cu and have a nice day all - and ty ! :-))
    Vendy Walpole: Bye and have fun
    Tine Janus: ty . bye bye :-)
    Zon Quar: lol
    Zon Quar: drop wat is not ur avatar
    Jzara Zsun: I really don't know about PaB.
    Vendy Walpole: Let me give you the info card as first
    Jzara Zsun: Oh, I have that now.
    Jzara Zsun: thanks
    Vendy Walpole: okay, then you will see we have break each 15 minutes to practice play as Being, dropping all we have, for 90 seconds :))
    Jzara Zsun: I understand that, but I am not sure what the purpose of it is.
    Vendy Walpole: For me, it helps me be aware of the preesent moment much more, my own thoughts, emotions
    Vendy Walpole: and to be here, now
    Jzara Zsun: My mind tends to wander to a lot of places.
    Vendy Walpole: yes, that is what minds do
    Vendy Walpole: when you are aware of being you will see your thoughts jump around, back and forward
    sophia Placebo: we try to be in the realm between what is relative and what is absolute and see what really it , kind of exploration of reality i guess
    Vendy Walpole: after that the peace should follow
    Jzara Zsun: Okay
    Vendy Walpole: In my every day life, when i do that as instanve when I am oberloaded or have some problem it makes me more detached from the problem and watch at it as neutral observer
    Vendy Walpole: overloaded
    sophia Placebo: do you do any meditation jzara ?
    sophia Placebo nods to vendy
    Jzara Zsun: No
    sophia Placebo: i see
    sophia Placebo: well we try to enter into a dffrent mental state from that we live with in meditation usually jzara
    sophia Placebo: that mental state have diffrent awarness
    Jzara Zsun: I am familiar with the ideas of meditation, I have just never practiced it regularly.
    sophia Placebo: diffrent awarness make us think of things in diffrent way
    sophia Placebo: ok
    Vendy Walpole: there is the web site of Play as Being http://playasbeing.wik.is/ There are lots of interesting things about this practice and the recorded conversations
    Jzara Zsun: thanks, I will take a look at it.
    Vendy Walpole: yw
    sophia Placebo: you can just sit and look sielntly to your fingers in the coming 90 seconds
    sophia Placebo: try it and see
    Vendy Walpole sneaks out quietly waving
    Qt Core: bye Vendy
    sophia Placebo waves ro vendy
    Zon Quar: bye vendy
    Qt Core: time to go, see you later
    sophia Placebo: bye Qt
    Zon Quar: me 2 , bye all
    Arisia Vita: bye all...
    sophia Placebo: i need to be off too , bye all nice to see you
    Jzara Zsun: I will go too
    Jzara Zsun: Nice to have met you.
    sophia Placebo: :)
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