2009.12.24 07:00 - When worlds collide

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

    Qt Core: hi Storm
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Qt
    Storm Nordwind: Good morning Adams
    Adams Rubble: Hello Storm and QT
    Qt Core: Hi Adams
    Christmas Eve has always impinged on my psychic senses, especially as the afternoon rolls on into dusk. I begin by musing on this in my new home.
    Storm Nordwind: I was wondering a few minutes ago about 'atmosphere'...
    Adams Rubble listens
    Storm Nordwind: I was driving my wife to work and wondering whether I would sense the same or a similar feeling in the air as I usually do in the UK on Christmas Eve
    Adams Rubble: Big change for you
    Storm Nordwind: I wondered how objective it was, or whether I was just imagining the whole thing!
    Adams Rubble: and what did you find?
    Storm Nordwind: I found there's something there, yes, but that it's different. Less 'childlike'.
    Adams Rubble: Was that a surprise?
    Storm Nordwind: ha! no I guess not!
    Storm Nordwind: The sense of wonder is tempered with acquisitiveness!
    Adams Rubble nods
    Adams Rubble: it is a gift for everything to be new I think
    Adams Rubble: at the same time missing the old
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Yes I am like a child in this new country, and the sense of wonder has not left me.

    Adams Rubble: We are really struggling with the commercialism in this country
    Adams Rubble: it seems likely to break up soon
    Storm Nordwind: Well you have nothing underlying to replace it, it seems. Or do you?
    Adams Rubble: Hmmmm
    Adams Rubble: I am not sure. It would be a big change in thinking
    Storm Nordwind: Yes
    Storm Nordwind: And it will take time. It may not happen in a generation.
    Adams Rubble: maybe
    This time of the year is so different in different places around the globe.
    Storm Nordwind: It is interesting to me to spend Christmas in different parts of the world and to taste the different atmospheres
    Adams Rubble: There IS old man Dickens behind it all (giggles)
    Storm Nordwind: There is? Remember for me Dickens is a fairly modern writer, so that influence is rather recent! ;)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Scrooge was an environmentalist :)
    Storm Nordwind: A conservationist perhaps! :)
    Adams Rubble: How many different places have you experienced Christmas in
    Storm Nordwind: Hmm...
    Storm Nordwind runs out of fingers...
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble watches Storm finger his toes
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eden :)
    Storm Nordwind: Good morning Eden
    Eden Haiku: Good morning!
    Storm Nordwind: Well instead of ennumerating all those places, I do remember loving the atmosphere in Stockholm at Yule. The lights are wonderful
    Adams Rubble: Santa Lucia
    Storm Nordwind: Yes - a fabulous festival, although fairly modern in its current form
    Storm Nordwind: It seemed to me that everyone pulled together to make the city a joyful place to be in a Yule. There was no trying to out-compete each other with inflatable Santas bigger than the neighbours. It all blended in harmoniously.
    A julljusstake (pardon my poor Swedish) in every window, no matter how humble, is stunning to see.
    Qt Core: got distracted, hi Eden
    Storm Nordwind's conversation is riveting :)
    Adams Rubble thinking of harmony and the rush in the stores
    Adams Rubble just had a brilliant idea for what to replace the commercialism with
    Storm Nordwind: Oh?
    Adams Rubble: imagine there is this little baby, see?
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Adams Rubble: and it has a very humble birth
    Eden Haiku: Soory, I was half in the kitchen... turkey ....
    Adams Rubble: and the idea is that this brings people together
    Adams Rubble: harmoniously :)
    Eden Haiku: Just dropped in a little while to wish all happy holidays.
    Storm Nordwind: If there isn't a big inflatable reindeer looking on, it won't fly Adams - not in some of the places around here!
    Adams Rubble: Happy holidays to you too Eden :)
    Eden Haiku: Thnak you Adams ;-)
    Storm Nordwind: Lovely to see you Eden. A good Yule to you and yours!
    Qt Core: y eden, happy holidays to you too
    Eden Haiku: Yes, Qt. You are closer to Christmas's eve aren't you?
    Qt Core: yes, 16:36, but being of northern italian origin we celebrate more on the 25 than in 24 night
    Eden Haiku: Glad to see you are back in a sweater. Read on the logs that you were a cube for a while...
    Qt Core: yes, that got damaged in a big sl crash yesterday... just after some minutes after i got the final goal of my cube av
    Qt Core: i was wondering about my upbringhing and ambient, even if i perfectly knows not everybody is chatolic i have this "gut feeling" that tell me that it is weird that there are people celebrating something different or nothing at all
    Qt Core: english grammar vanished at my home, sorry
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Qt Core: but as i always say i love how international chetting make me feel provincial
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Adams Rubble: Hello Zen
    Qt Core: hi Zen
    Eden Haiku: ;-) A Milanese provincial. No way!
    Eden Haiku: Hi Zen!
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Zen
    Qt Core: well, i'n not exactly in Milan boundary, but from Milan province, i'm provincial ;-)
    Qt Core: easuer to say i'm from milan as i'm less than 5km from its boundary
    Adams considers on what happens when different cultures mix in a country. This brings up a variety of subtopics, such as "dumbing down", tolerance and sectarianism, and what it's like to be an immigrant.
    Adams Rubble: sometimes when many cultures mix, there is a tendancy to for some things to "dumb down" to the lowest common denominator
    Qt Core: thinking about international diplomatic dinners and the problems with food tabus from different cultures
    Adams Rubble: people needing to celebrate the solstice and the return of the light
    Zen Arado: can be enriching too
    Adams Rubble: but not really knowing why they are celebrating
    Storm Nordwind: Interesting view about dumbing down Adams. That's not what I found in Malaysia.
    Adams Rubble listens
    Eden Haiku: Yes, it is the deepest meaning of this celebration isn'it? The return of the light .
    Eden Haiku: lsitens to Malaysia story
    Storm Nordwind: There is a 50% Malay population who are all Muslim there. 25% are Chinese and the rest are Indian. So there is a mix of Islam, Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism and Chinese folk religion
    Zen Arado: does this cause friction?
    Storm Nordwind: None of them seem to dumb down, but rather they dance around each other in more of a mutual tolerance, each keeping authentic
    Zen Arado: we have more trouble in N.Ireland where there are few migrants
    Storm Nordwind: Surprisingly little friction Zen. It would be wrong to say that there was none, but they seem more tolerant than my new home country
    Zen Arado: and just two varieties of Christianity
    Storm Nordwind: Yes indeed. Or over the water in Scotland
    Adams Rubble: sometimes there is most fristion when fewest differences
    Adams Rubble: friction
    Zen Arado: yes that is what I am thiking
    Storm Nordwind: I rather like fristion Adams. I'm trying to think of definitions of what it might mean! ;)
    Adams Rubble: on the other hand when mass thinking is being urchased by commercial interests that leads to a dumbing down
    Adams Rubble: purchased
    Zen Arado: I lived in Sydney Australia for a long time
    Zen Arado: most fighting was in factions themselves
    Zen Arado: like Chinese gang fights
    Zen Arado: and Serb Croat friction
    Zen Arado: Stdney was an interesting mix of Nationalities
    Zen Arado: they didn't allow black people for a long time
    Zen Arado: I was an 'Irish Immigrant' so that gave me a taste of what that is like
    Storm Nordwind: Amazing when we move to a new country, we are given a new label that we had previously no consciousness of
    Zen Arado: I notice the racism of peole in Ireland
    Zen Arado: it is so unthinking
    Adams Rubble nods
    Zen Arado: so un empathetic
    Zen Arado: we are so unused to immigrants but that is changing rapidly
    Storm Nordwind: Some people see no need for empathy in their lives, and therefore would not understand the benefits
    Zen Arado: they didnt want to come during the troubles
    Qt Core: same here and it is sad as for several decades we italians were the immigants elsewhere, so ungrateful
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Zen Arado: yes Italians wre looked down upon in Australia
    Zen Arado: they worked too hard for a start :)
    Storm Nordwind: So strange to have someone ask "How does it feel to be a British ex-pat?" And I think "What????"
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Qt Core: usually, the ones that go away are the more motivated one... even if only by hungry
    Storm Nordwind: Well I notice that some recent immigrant communities are commanding tremendous respect now, on account of their great attitudes, skill and hard work
    Zen Arado: do you feel any prejudice against Brits Storm?
    Adams Rubble: Peace on earth, good will to men and women :)
    Zen Arado: maybe it is our own attitude that is most important
    Adams Rubble nods to zen
    Storm Nordwind: No prejudice at all Zen. The British accent would take me a long way if I let it! Most people here have a romanticized view of England.
    Zen Arado: he he good
    Zen Arado: you can become even more British
    Zen Arado: play up to it :)
    Storm Nordwind: Yeah - that's a trap I've fallen into more than once!
    Storm Nordwind: Best BBC accent :)
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eden Haiku: When I went to live in New York years ago I was afraid my French accent would make me too visible. But everybody has an accent in New York! I felt completely at ease.
    Storm Nordwind: haha Eden!
    Zen Arado: oh a French accent is so nice :)
    Storm Nordwind: Brits love a French woman's accent I'm afraid Eden!
    Zen Arado: yup :)
    Eden Haiku: Remebering you ex-SL girlfriend Zen? What happened to her, did she vanished into cyberspace?
    Zen Arado: Irish have an affinity for French I am told
    Zen Arado: more than the English I think
    Eden Haiku: Yes, long wars betwen Brits and French people.
    Zen Arado: ah she doesn't come into SL so much now
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Zen Arado: I think her RL boyfriend doesn't like me
    Eden Haiku: jealous guy?
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Eden Haiku: Isn't that silly? To be jalous of a cube called Qt?
    Storm Nordwind: Mostly the English and the French Eden, rather than the Brits as a whole. The Scots like the French because anyone one who hates the English is a friend of theirs!
    Zen Arado: a little Eden
    Eden Haiku: Oh you are right Storm, I often confound Brits and English and they are not the same...
    Zen Arado: I am actually a Brit
    Zen Arado: because I live in N.Ireland
    Zen Arado: which is british
    Storm Nordwind: It's very complicated Eden!
    Zen Arado: I think of myself aas British more than Irish
    Storm Nordwind: Our passports say "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"
    Zen Arado: yes I have a British passport
    Zen Arado: the South of Ireland is a different country
    Zen Arado: that's where a lot of trouble comes from in Ireland
    Zen Arado: some allie themselves with Britain , some with the South
    Zen Arado: lesson over :)
    We wish each other well and depart.
    Eden Haiku: I'm afraid I will have to go back to my Christmas preparations. It was nice talking to you all. Wishing you lots of Yule lights and peace of heart and joy! Well we have the Queen of England on our dollar bills and on our postage stamps, so I'm also part of what was the English Empire. The remnants of it ;-)
    Zen Arado: nice talking to you Eden
    Eden Haiku: Bye for now!
    Adams Rubble: Bye Eden. Have a wonderful holiday
    Zen Arado: bye
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now Eden! :)
    Adams Rubble: Thank you all. It is time for me to depart :)
    Adams Rubble: Have a wonderful holiday :)
    Storm Nordwind: Have a wonderful Yule Adams!
    Adams Rubble: thanks
    Storm Nordwind: If no one minds, I will go and be host to my daughter who has journeyed 25 hours to be here
    Zen Arado: I better go
    Qt Core: sure storm run
    Zen Arado: Bye QT and Storm
    Storm Nordwind: The very best of the season to you
    Storm Nordwind: Namaste
    Qt Core: bye all and have nice times
    Zen Arado: you too
    Zen Arado: bye
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