2009.12.25 07:00 - Between Present Opening and Breakfast

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    For a while I was quietly enjoying the peaceful surroundings of the pavilion.  Then, after a quarter of an hour, I saw that Sophia came online.  We had a little IM chat, after which she dropped by at the pavilion.  With her permission, I'm starting with our IM exchange, given that that was the first part of our conversation.

    Pema Pera: Hi Sophia!
    sophia Placebo: hi :)
    Pema Pera: Thanks for your email -- I will respond to it in a few days, after I give others a chance to respond first
    Pema Pera: and btw, I read a really nice sentence from you, just now, in a session of six days ago, in response to a new visitor.  You wrote:
    Pema Pera: "sophia Placebo: we try to be in the realm between what is relative and what is absolute and see what really is , kind of exploration of reality i guess"
    Pema Pera: that's a brilliant summary!
    sophia Placebo: that sentence actually was almost your words
    sophia Placebo: i liked the image of us being on the shore and droplet of water coming to us on dry land
    sophia Placebo: maybe some old session im not sure
    Pema Pera: I don't remember saying something like that, but I may have -- but in any case, you have said it in your own words, which are definitely different from mine, and personal!
    sophia Placebo: some session with maxine , mostly old one , but i liked the image , and the effect of the image on mind
    sophia Placebo: well maybe
    Pema Pera: Also, I think I have talked more about trying to do both, relative and absolute focus, while you mentioned a "realm between" which is a really nice touch
    Pema Pera: so thank you!
    Pema Pera: yes, the image of droplets and shore line is nice -- I also vaguely remember it.  There have been two thousands sessions so far, I think, so I certainly don't remember the details of all of them :)
    sophia Placebo: hehe , true , thats why documentations help , we lose some of the finest insights sometimes

    After this point in our IM Sophia popped up at the pavilion and we switched to regular chat.

    Pema Pera: oh hi Sophia!
    sophia Placebo: hi :)
    Pema Pera: nice to see you in person, after our IMs!
    sophia Placebo: everyone celebrating
    Pema Pera: many I guess, for Christmas
    sophia Placebo: yes hehe :) nice to see you too
    Pema Pera: but not here in Japan, it has been a normal workday
    sophia Placebo: i've been told so
    Pema Pera: the real holidays start on January 1, and then for several days everything comes to a stand still
    Pema Pera: and the sky is the most wonderful blue during those days, even in Tokyo, since most factories shut down as well
    sophia Placebo: brilliant
    sophia Placebo: i hope there is one international day for shutting factories for the sake of clean air
    Pema Pera: that would be a great idea indeed!
    sophia Placebo: how much one day can affect the enviromnet i wonder
    Pema Pera: it can affect the awareness of people, that may be more important . . . .
    Pema Pera: do you have noticeable air pollution where you live?
    sophia Placebo: if it affected the invironment it would affect their awarness
    sophia Placebo: yes pretty clear
    sophia Placebo: the sky is not blue , sea was affected by wars and land was affected by less water and poor water mangement
    sophia Placebo: higher cancer rates with younger ages than the international avarage
    Pema Pera: that sounds pretty bad!
    sophia Placebo: it is , and it is multi factorial , some are changable some k=like wars are best to be avoidable
    Pema Pera: by the way, do you know much about the new university, KAUST ?
    sophia Placebo: yes , not much though
    Pema Pera: it does seem like a fascinating experiment
    sophia Placebo: Hello Widget
    Pema Pera: Hi Widget!
    Widget Whiteberry: Good morning
    Pema Pera: Hi Nymf!
    sophia Placebo: it is socially and scientifically , hmm i read a blog for american student there
    Pema Pera: Santa Nymf :)
    sophia Placebo: Hi Nymf
    Nymf Hathaway: Merry Christmas Pema, Sophia and Widget :)
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
    Pema Pera: what did the blog say, Sophia?
    Pema Pera: Merry Christmas to you too, Nymf -- though here in Japan it is December 26 already :-)
    Nymf Hathaway: Yes, I know :)
    Sophia pointed to an interesting web site, with plenty of cross cultural bits of impressions.
    sophia Placebo: http://saudiaggie.blogspot.com/
    sophia Placebo: merry xmass Nymf
    sophia Placebo: just describing his life in saudi arabia
    sophia Placebo: and the collage
    sophia Placebo: but it is nice to see how the unfamiliar eyes would look to the familiar views , for me
    Pema Pera: yes, there must be quite an influx of foreigners, all of a sudden!
    Nymf Hathaway: Interesting blog Sophia
    sophia Placebo: yes it is Nymf
    sophia Placebo: not really Pema , at least not for me , we live near the oil wells , lots of forigeners here , but not really interacting with them except ocassionally
    Pema Pera: yes, I guess it must be very different on a university campus, where everybody really mingles
    Widget Whiteberry: 'everybody'?
    Nymf Hathaway: May I ask why there is less interaction between both groups, Sophia? Or at least your vision on it.
    sophia Placebo: because i dont live near them Nymf and i didnt work with many of them
    sophia Placebo: yes Pema true , university is even better than work in social interaction i guess
    Pema Pera: Well, I think I'll end my social interaction for now -- it is getting toward 1 am here
    Widget Whiteberry: Sleep well, Pema
    sophia Placebo: bye Pema
    Nymf Hathaway: Have a good night Pema :)
    Pema Pera: please enjoy the rest of the session, and of your day(s)!
    Pema Pera: bfn
    After the first hour was almost up, I left to get some sleep, but the session would go on for quite a while.
    Widget Whiteberry: Sophia and Nymf, what time is it for each of you? For me it is nearly 8am.
    Nymf Hathaway: 16.47 Netherlands here
    sophia Placebo: 6 : 47 pm
    Nymf Hathaway: Sophia is two hours ahead of us :)
    Nymf Hathaway: us as in europe :)
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
    sophia Placebo: yes :)
    Widget Whiteberry: we are all on different times .... I am just waking up
    Nymf Hathaway: yes... USA?
    Widget Whiteberry: I wonder how that effects our interactions around this pool
    Widget Whiteberry: California, Nymf
    Nymf Hathaway: oh it sure does
    Widget Whiteberry: what have you noticed?
    Nymf Hathaway: well I can only speak for me but when its late at night or early morning my contribution is low and listening is high... in between I am more active
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Widget Whiteberry: I suppose something like that is so for me too
    Nymf Hathaway: The brain needs time to awake... and slow down near bedtime :)
    Widget Whiteberry: I am more likely to be here at 7am and 7pm
    Widget Whiteberry: and more likely to have something to say at 7pm or 1pm if I manage to be here
    Nymf Hathaway: for me it comes down to 4 in the afternoon and 11 at evening
    Widget Whiteberry: and 4 in the morning and 11 in the morning
    Widget Whiteberry: what about you, Sophia?
    Widget Whiteberry waves to Wol
    sophia Placebo: hello wol
    Wol Euler: hello everyone
    Nymf Hathaway: Merry Christmas Wol :))
    Wol Euler: best holiday wishes to you, my dears
    Wol Euler: I cant stay, just stealing a moment between present opening and breakfast
    Widget Whiteberry: Nymf and I were just musing about our different time zones and how 'when we are' effect how we interact around the pond
    Wol Euler: merry christmas, happy festivus, go∂ Yul
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
    Nymf Hathaway: You aren't at home, Wol?
    sophia Placebo: im not sure , sure if i was sleepy or tired , 7 pm is early morning , too early to think , 7 am is when i just arrived from work , some time too tired or distracted , 1 pm is too late and sleepy 1 am at work
    Wol Euler: at my parents' home in Toronto, with sister and her family
    Nymf Hathaway: oooh nice.... have a great time :)
    Widget Whiteberry: what do they think of your Second Life?
    sophia Placebo: but i seem to have something to say always lol
    Wol Euler: thank you, and the same to you all.
    sophia Placebo: im talkative
    Wol Euler smiles to Sophia
    sophia Placebo: merry xmass wol , hope you get nice gifts
    Wol Euler: oops, time to go breakfast is called
    Widget Whiteberry: your mind is active, Sophia
    Widget Whiteberry: enjoy, Wol!
    Wol Euler: merry christmas, my dears, enjoy the holiday season
    Widget Whiteberry: regards to your family
    Wol Euler: will do!
    Nymf Hathaway: Enjoy you time Wol :)
    sophia Placebo: my mind or my toung for sure
    Nymf Hathaway: My Islamic neighbours (wonderful people) always bring half of their christmas-gift-box to us because their employer still puts alcohol and pork in it :( I wish employers would change that!
    sophia Placebo: lol lucky you
    Nymf Hathaway: Wel its very sweet of them... but the employer misses the philosophy behind the gift box this way
    Widget Whiteberry: Unmindful generosity misses the mark, feels impersonal
    Nymf Hathaway: I agree fully
    sophia Placebo nods , it is better to gift something that the other would like , not something you would like to have
    Widget Whiteberry: that is a good thougth to hold, Sophia, thank you
    Widget Whiteberry: thought*
    Widget Whiteberry: Do you two have time to consider another question?
    Nymf Hathaway: I have
    sophia Placebo: i have 15 mint
    Widget Whiteberry: Sometimes I can't get here at the beginning of a session
    Widget Whiteberry: I almost always stay through to the end
    Widget Whiteberry: what is the best way to enter when I am late?
    Widget Whiteberry: or is it best not to come at all when I cannot come for the beginning?
    sophia Placebo: hehe walking , dont fly over poeple and say quick hi
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
    Widget Whiteberry: when I enter and everyone says hello, I feel I've interrupted the flow of thought
    Nymf Hathaway: The last I wouldn't agree upon Widget... and the first I think is personal... everyone brings him/herself.... and frankly I think thats the power of international groups... the differences between everyone
    sophia Placebo: some sessions are short but some are really active and long so you never know
    sophia Placebo: some starts after the second bell :)
    Widget Whiteberry: so arriving late is not rude?
    Widget Whiteberry: not disruptive?
    Nymf Hathaway: Not to me
    sophia Placebo: nop , not for me at least
    Widget Whiteberry: thank you, this has been troubling to me
    sophia Placebo: it is disruptive to the chat log to be honest
    Nymf Hathaway: Than it is good you made it a topic!
    Widget Whiteberry: Please say more about that, Sophia
    sophia Placebo: specially if it was one of the great sessions , well the offline reader is not at the same mood as the online reader
    Widget Whiteberry: because a productive conversation is disprupted?
    Widget Whiteberry: disrupted*
    sophia Placebo: we read alive chat , but offline readr would not care much who arrived and who left , he would care about what was said in regard to the main topic of that session
    sophia Placebo: yes widget
    Widget Whiteberry: I rarely read the logs. How would I know when there is a 'great one'?
    sophia Placebo: the one that stay in memory , even after years
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm, for me it is the opposite - in a log I can skip over the hello/goodbyes
    Widget Whiteberry: in real time, my mind skips from following the thread to the ins and outs of greetings and fairwells
    sophia Placebo: hmm intersting
    Widget Whiteberry: so I try to enter quietly and greet everyone at once
    sophia Placebo: maybe cuz im used to that in real life , lots of ins and outs but we keep same topic or resume it later
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    sophia Placebo: i g2g
    Widget Whiteberry: something for me to focus on
    Widget Whiteberry: thank you both
    sophia Placebo: see you later !
    Nymf Hathaway: Bye bye you two, sorry distracted in rl
    Widget Whiteberry: bye!
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