2009.12.25 13:00 - Christmas day

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    Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database.

    Wol Euler: 'nabend Yakuzza

    Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend wol

    Wol Euler: frohe weihnachten

    Yakuzza Lethecus: bist du in deutschland oder in kanada ?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: ebenso

    Wol Euler: kanada, in toronto mit eltern und familie der schwester

    Yakuzza Lethecus: jep, mich hatte es gestern abend gewundert das du online warst :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: du hattest dich schonmal in den urlaub verabschieded :)

    Wol Euler: jein: ich hatte mich von meinen 1am Session verabschiedet, das ist 4am hier, viel zu früh!

    Wol Euler: ich werde viel weniger online sein diese Woche, schon wahr.

    Wol Euler: wie geht's Dir?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: gut danke, 2ten familienbesuch hinter mir :)

    Wol Euler: :)

    Wol Euler: es sind stressige Zeiten

    Yakuzza Lethecus: gestern war ich bei meinem vater und seiner freunding, heute bei meiner mutter und meiner schwester

    Yakuzza Lethecus: morgen gehts zu einer meiner tanten

    Yakuzza Lethecus: lake ontario

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Wol Euler: allerdings etwa 10 Meilen weg

    Wol Euler: bist Du in Google Maps?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: jep :)


    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey corvi :)

    Wol Euler: corvi! wonderful to see you!!

    Wol Euler: merry christmas

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Merry Christmas!

    Yakuzza Lethecus: merry christmas corvi

    Yakuzza Lethecus: did you finish ur christmas visits if you had some ?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: or worse did you become visited?

    Wol Euler: heheheh

    Wol Euler: ((I'm hearing kitchen noises, I will hvae to go for Christmas dinner soon ))

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hehe

    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, what is ur sister/mother cooking today ? ( no i don't think in stereotypes :) )

    Wol Euler: there is turkey & accesories for the meateaters, and a mushroom/nut loaf for the vegetarians

    Wol Euler: I helped Sis make the mushroom loaf

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: that's quite a project!

    Yakuzza Lethecus: i believe ur the only vegitarian at the table wol ?

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: are you a vegetarian, Wol?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: corvi ur also vegiterian aren't you?

    Wol Euler: oh no, I am a keen eater of thinly sliced dead animals

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am indeed

    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, me too wol :)

    Wol Euler: but I will be partaking of the mushroom loaf too. There's a limit to the amount of meat that I can eat with enjoyment

    Yakuzza Lethecus: i generally eat too much, 3 years ago i was able to eat what ever i wanted without to get any fat

    Wol Euler nods. It's called "getting old" :)

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes..because you were still growing!

    Wol Euler: that too :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: today i sadly have to reduce the amount, because i slightly start to gain more weight then i had for over 10 years.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: that does tend to happen.

    Wol Euler: I find I am just losing interest in eating that much food.

    Wol Euler: it gets boring!

    Wol Euler: American portions are enormous.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: i still try to become aware of my habits more

    Yakuzza Lethecus: it doesn't matter if it's about eating chocolate, drinking beer or even playing games

    Wol Euler smiles.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: listening to audio lectures

    Corvuscorva Nightfire ignores diet and eats christmas cookies

    Yakuzza Lethecus: so in a sense becomming aware is a general topic for me even when the 90sec practice is still a problem

    Wol Euler grins.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it's 9 seconds!

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hopefully selfmade ?

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: 90 is toooo hard...and yes, homemade

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: homemade recipe even

    Wol Euler: well done!

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mostly a result of my inability to follow authority

    Wol Euler: what, even a recipe?

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I CAN follow a recipe


    Wol Euler: just checking :)

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'm good at "following directions" or really at understanding them...it's deciding that they are "right" that is difficult.

    Wol Euler: ((btw, the connection here is surpisingly poor, I'm getting lots of lost packets. If I don't reply to something, it's because your line got lost.))

    Yakuzza Lethecus: merry christmas arch, you haven't been here in a while

    Wol Euler: merry christmas, archmage

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: merry xmas!

    Archmage Atlantis: The connection in this world is dying, so of course it is poor.......Our choice is a revival or a new say

    Archmage Atlantis: I can no longer apologize for our species

    Wol Euler: well, I meant that literally rather than metaphorically, but yes that is true too

    Yakuzza Lethecus: what can't you apologize for ?

    Archmage Atlantis: If you do not see it, Yakuza, my brother, I cannot give you that sight

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: so has anyone been doing the 9 seconds lately?

    Wol Euler: alas, no.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Arch?

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: me either, darn it.

    Wol Euler: :)

    Archmage Atlantis: This is what I see

    Archmage Atlantis: For I am a prophet

    Wol Euler thinks she might give the family a lesson in stopping and dropping aftr lunch

    Archmage Atlantis: I apologize for the term

    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, my problem is that ethic and morality are made by man and mankind is breaking it's own rules on a daly basis, i don't know even if it isn't a good thing if if would cause our own extinction in some sense

    Yakuzza Lethecus: why do we think that we have to preserve the earth as she was before mankind ?

    Archmage Atlantis: Well said Yak

    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i obviously like to see it in that way

    Wol Euler: it is *far* too late for that idea anyway, Yaku

    Archmage Atlantis: This earth has evolved

    Archmage Atlantis: Many creatures who were here before, they exist no more


    Wol Euler: O.O

    Corvuscorva Nightfire randomly breaks out in Christmas carols.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: "deck the halls..."

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: falalalalala...

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, in some sense i believe that when martians may analyse the extinction of earth in a few billion years they might believe it was a natural biological catastrophy

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it IS a natural catastrophy!

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: we ARE nature!

    Yakuzza Lethecus: jep

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods.

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: natural/unnatural is a dichotomy that only makes sense if we believe we are seperate from all else.

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have to admit these thoughts are also a bit strange for me, but i would like to find more elaborated thoughts about these topics

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hiya mick

    Wol Euler: merry christmas, mick!

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: well, here is what I was thinking..I was a bit over vehement in my delivery, sorry, Yak.

    Mickorod Renard: hiyaaaa,,merry xmas

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Merry Xmas, Mick!

    Mickorod Renard: xxxxxxx to u all

    arabella Ella: Hiya Merry Christmas to everyone!

    Wol Euler grins. Happy Festivus, my dears, may your poles be straight and shiny.

    Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles at Wol

    arabella Ella: he he

    Mickorod Renard: coor,,thanks wol

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Merry Xmas, Arabella.

    arabella Ella: that is so ... in the spirit Wol ... he he

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hiya ara

    Wol Euler: :)))

    Mickorod Renard: :))))

    Wol Euler: it's in wikipedia, it must be true.

    Archmage Atlantis: Kinky, my dear Wol

    Archmage Atlantis: It is shared illusion, my sister

    Wol Euler: well, so is all of life, Arch

    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, agree

    Wol Euler: so it's as valid or invalid as anything else you might name

    Archmage Atlantis: Agree again

    Mickorod Renard: wow, nice pole idea

    Wol Euler smiles.

    Mickorod Renard: that reminds me, I need to paste my last chat log

    Wol Euler: happy festivus, zon!

    Zon Quar: same to all

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Happy day

    Mickorod Renard: yea,,this is the first peace and quiet I have had since I woke up

    Mickorod Renard: been a mad house


    Archmage Atlantis: once there were god and gods they were

    Mickorod Renard: they still exist today,,they make the play station 3 and wii

    Wol Euler: heh

    Wol Euler: and explode banks instead of volanoes.

    Mickorod Renard: yeaa

    Archmage Atlantis: Pogo

    Mickorod Renard: at our expense though Wol

    Archmage Atlantis: I have met the enemy

    Archmage Atlantis: And he is us

    Wol Euler: of course! It wouldn't be right for htem to pay for their own mistakes, now would it? Be fair.

    Wol Euler smiles and nods to Arch

    Mickorod Renard: he he

    Mickorod Renard: has Zon gone?

    arabella Ella: yes

    Mickorod Renard: whats the latest on the new year party arrangements?

    Wol Euler: my dears, I must go, dinner is ready. Bye for now, tak care, enjoy your holidays

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: It is time for me to go as well.

    Wol Euler: happy holiday, everyone

    arabella Ella: bye Wol enjoy your hols too

    Mickorod Renard: bye Wol, Corvi

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: merry xmas, happy festivus

    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, i am also going to leave, happy holidays or whats left of it :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: and not too much cookie sickness :)

    Mickorod Renard: bye yaku,,peace go with you

    arabella Ella: enjoy yours too Yaku happy hols

    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone, and ,,gute besserung ara"

    arabella Ella: thanks Yaku

    Archmage Atlantis: I will stay for a bit, to see who means what they say

    arabella Ella: dont you think we are all authentic with what we say Archmage?

    Mickorod Renard: he he

    arabella Ella: and what measure would you use if not consistency over a long period of time

    Archmage Atlantis: Is your Rl and your Sl the same being Ms. bella?

    arabella Ella: no it isnt

    arabella Ella: is yours?

    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, it is

    arabella Ella: ah ... as a personality yes

    arabella Ella: physical appearance and name no

    arabella Ella: so do you honestly mean you are the same physically, in name and in personality in RL and in SL Archmage?

    Archmage Atlantis: I can show you my deformed RL body, will that make it me?

    arabella Ella: i think that is up to you to judge who you are ... not up to me

    Mickorod Renard: I am much older than micko in sl appears

    Mickorod Renard: but I am still as juvenile as I was when I was the age as micko in sl

    Archmage Atlantis: I have judged myself, so that is not an issue here........your jugdement is Ms. bella


    arabella Ella: i dont like to judge Archmage ... what comes to mind is the saying

    arabella Ella: let no one judge but God alone

    arabella Ella: i am sure you are familiar with it?

    Mickorod Renard: it is a natural thing to judge in rl,,I do,,although I hope I am becoming less so these days

    Archmage Atlantis: [14:10] arabella Ella: dont you think we are all authentic with what we say Archmage?

    Mickorod Renard: mmmm,,in my respect Arch,,should you ask me..he he ,,I think I am authentic,,yet I do question myself in retrospect and find myself lacking in area's

    arabella Ella: i dont think that is a judgement archmage

    Archmage Atlantis: Accept that

    arabella Ella: i think we learn to trust and believe each other here over a prolonged period of time though consistency and friendship

    Archmage Atlantis: Look closer, Arabella

    arabella Ella: guide me to look closer?

    Mickorod Renard: the more open and honest i am with my rl self,,in the rl world makes me alot free'er

    Mickorod Renard: I am enjoying showing what a fool I am,,yet strangely finding people acept me better for it

    Archmage Atlantis: Women are given the survival of us.....they bear birth pain, they are more demanded of than men

    arabella Ella: maybe

    Archmage Atlantis: Yet men, are demanded to care for the family

    arabella Ella: but that is only one small part of a human being

    arabella Ella: our biology

    arabella Ella: and today roles are changing

    arabella Ella: have changed too

    Archmage Atlantis: It is our legacy, love

    Archmage Atlantis: The biology has not changed

    Mickorod Renard: roles have changed Ara,,but the ethos of mans place in the world hasnt changed as quickly

    Mickorod Renard: I found this when I opted to be male carer for my son

    arabella Ella: yes i agree with both of you there

    Mickorod Renard: did a reversal with partner

    Mickorod Renard: I also flet some guilt in reducing my position in being able to support as well financially,,this still stays with my subconcious now

    Archmage Atlantis: My mother was amoung the first to graduate form the men's college

    Mickorod Renard: I think most of my issues with it are in my own mind,,not in others,,in my case

    arabella Ella: your mum is probably fortunate to have had that opporutnity Archmage ... I wish I had had a similar opportunity myself and the courage to pursue it

    Mickorod Renard: women making headways in a mans world are seen as heroine's or hero's but a man in a womans world are not

    arabella Ella: depends mick

    Archmage Atlantis: Ara, you have opportunity.....you chose to pursue it

    arabella Ella: times are changing ... but slowly

    arabella Ella: i chose that later Archmage ... when i was an adult ... and had to both work and study ... rather than as a young person who could dedicate a few years to just study

    Archmage Atlantis: Do you think a real man loves his sons more than his daughters?

    Mickorod Renard: what i have to remind myself of sometimes is........


    arabella Ella: what do you think?

    arabella Ella: dont you love someone because of who they are rather than because of gender especially if they are family?

    Mickorod Renard: that everyone loves superhero's..like superman, batman,,all them others,,bt surely this indicates mans obsession with feeling their own inadequecy,and desire to be more in area's

    Archmage Atlantis: I love entities beyond this planet

    Mickorod Renard: this is an issue for most men,,and women i guess

    arabella Ella nods

    Archmage Atlantis: It is our gift

    Archmage Atlantis: To Love

    arabella Ella: yes it is

    Mickorod Renard: it is,,but one has a great desire to be loved too

    arabella Ella: even the person who feels most alone is loved

    Mickorod Renard: but now I am learning that that desire can be dropped tto a great extent,,and just giving love in itself is very pleasurable

    Archmage Atlantis: Son, will my SL love do? .....I give it to you

    Mickorod Renard: I accept love from any world,,and treat that as very special

    Archmage Atlantis: Then it is yours

    Mickorod Renard: It is something very special to recieve..what a lovely thing to be given..

    arabella Ella: a lovely present Mick on a special day

    Mickorod Renard: Arch, Thankyou so very much

    Mickorod Renard: Arch, I dont want to make little of anything..cos I am not..but would also like to say to you the same..i send you my Love too

    Mickorod Renard: and truly mean it

    Archmage Atlantis: I see souls, I know

    Mickorod Renard: :)

    Archmage Atlantis: And I am also Anubis

    Mickorod Renard: grin, I dont know who I am for sure

    Mickorod Renard: I think I am getting my identity by losing it

    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, the false identity is lost

    Archmage Atlantis: The real one is found

    Mickorod Renard: maybe ultimately ,,if at all posible,,an ifdentity is not nes

    Archmage Atlantis: And I do not ignore you Arabella

    Mickorod Renard: perhaps that is why finding descriptions for unexplainable things is so dificult

    arabella Ella: i am listening Archmage


    Archmage Atlantis: If you only listen sister, that is selfish

    Archmage Atlantis: Women must come forward, as did my mother

    arabella Ella: i dont come forward just for the sake of coming forward

    arabella Ella: and it is just as important for me to listen so i can learn from others

    Mickorod Renard: it reminds me of that sketch,,wher a line of soldiers , when asked for volunteers,,step backwards instead..leaving just a few in the forward position

    arabella Ella: :)

    Mickorod Renard: now then Arch and Ara,,,I will have to sneak off,,

    arabella Ella: i must go too

    arabella Ella: it is very late here and i am quite tired

    arabella Ella: nite Mick nite Archmage

    arabella Ella: Merry Christmas!

    Mickorod Renard: same here too,,and kids to pay attention to

    Mickorod Renard: R U still there Arch?

    Mickorod Renard: ok,,I am leavin for a bit,,thanks Arch for the chat,,go well and have a nice break

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