2009.12.27 07:00 - What Change us ? What part os us dosnt change?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia! :)
    sophia Placebo: Hello
    Eliza Madrigal: You look mysterious today
    sophia Placebo: :)
    sophia Placebo: this is what i wear in rl
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, and you found it in SL or pulled it together yourself?
    Eliza Madrigal: beautiful
    sophia Placebo: im not good at building or clothing , someone else did
    sophia Placebo: hi fael
    Fael Illyar: Hi Eliza, Sophia :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fael! Long time no see! You look lovely as well! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Notime, what a fascinating name! Welcome to Play as Being :)
    Fael Illyar: Hello Notime :)
    sophia Placebo: hi notime
    Notime Shamen: Hello
    sophia Placebo: have you been here befor?
    Fael Illyar: notime... hmmhmm... busy?
    Notime Shamen: I was over at the museum
    Notime Shamen: is this connected to the museum?
    sophia Placebo: no
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, great...
    Eliza Madrigal: The museum is connected with Play as Being, yes..
    Fael Illyar: one of our regular members has lead the project to create the museum.
    sophia Placebo: we recored our convo , is that ok with you ? we post them on our wiki
    Notime Shamen: I guess so
    sophia Placebo: great
    Eliza Madrigal: As for us, we get together four times a day to discuss the nature of reality in various ways, to share, etc :) I'll give you a card so that you can check out the wiki page if you like, etc :)
    Notime Shamen: thank you Sophia gave me a card
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh :)
    sophia Placebo: please have a pillow
    Notime Shamen: have a pillow?
    Eliza Madrigal: Notime, I see that you are new to SL
    sophia Placebo: means have a seat :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, right click on a pillow and choose 'sit'
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Notime Shamen: ah, thanks
    Notime Shamen: lots to erad
    Notime Shamen: read
    Eliza Madrigal: It really is an interesting name you chose "Notime Shamen". May I ask what you were thinking about when you chose it?
    Notime Shamen: It started out with Monty Python "No Time to Lose" but I have been thinking much about time and how we change and do not change
    sophia Placebo: or we change and not chaged too
    Eliza Madrigal: yes what an interesting topic... how time changes and doesn't change
    Eliza Madrigal: continuity but perhaps not identity
    Notime Shamen: how to you explore reality?
    Eliza Madrigal: Meeting together, engaging in practices... For instance the pause which just now began...
    sophia Placebo: we stop for 90 seconds , drop everything around you and within you *
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Notime Shamen: that is an interesting fountain show
    sophia Placebo nods
    Notime Shamen: a form of meditation?
    sophia Placebo: you can say that
    Eliza Madrigal: Well the idea is to engage here, and to bring the practice into daily life... every 15 minutes remembering that we are not merely what we are doing or owning or what we or others label us....
    Eliza Madrigal: so yes, meditation :)))
    Notime Shamen: I am confused about the time - 15 mi9nutes or 90mseconds?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    Eliza Madrigal: every fifteen minutes, stop for 9 seconds... But while we are here together in discussions, 90 seconds
    sophia Placebo: sl=90 rl=9 seconds every 15 mints both
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Notime Shamen: hmm. do you all stop for 9 seconds every 15 minutes? that is quite a commitment
    Notime Shamen: but a very interesting idea
    sophia Placebo nods
    Eliza Madrigal: In beginning the practice, we have some tools, like a meditation timer, etc....
    Eliza Madrigal: After a while it becomes more of a continuous practice it seems
    Notime Shamen: I am amused that I am here talking about time :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Blonde :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Blonde
    Notime Shamen: I have no timer. haha
    Notime Shamen: Hello Blonde
    Eliza Madrigal giggles... I am looking for the link as I type...
    Blonde Starsmith: I'm hear to learn
    Eliza Madrigal: Also, to a link to discussions on timeless time that you might enjoy :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Theme sessions: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Theme_Sessions
    Blonde Starsmith: ty
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: Bell: http://www.mindfulnessdc.org/mindfulclock.html
    Eliza Madrigal: Welcome, Blonde :)
    Blonde Starsmith: ty everyone for letting me come
    Notime Shamen: Thank you
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, of course! Nice to meet you. Notime is here for the first time also, so we were talking a bit about our group practice
    Blonde Starsmith: good. I'm a pretty fast learner
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: PlayasBeing has been recording chats for hm... nearly 2 years now I think... so there is a lot of information at the wiki site
    Eliza Madrigal: but it is nice to start 'new' each session :)
    sophia Placebo: hmm im still intersted in your first sentence notime : I have been thinking much about time and how we change and do not change
    sophia Placebo: can you say more ?
    Notime Shamen: yes
    Notime Shamen: as we go through life some parts of us change and other parts do not
    Notime Shamen: it is quite an interesting phenomena
    sophia Placebo: what change and what dosnt ?
    Notime Shamen: welearn new ways
    Notime Shamen: new things
    Notime Shamen: that does not seem to change part of us
    Blonde Starsmith: I feel that there is no change except in outer form. Inner is more a journy of discovery of all our inate qualities.
    sophia Placebo: please continue , what dosnt change ?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) So outer form would seem more what changes, while there being a core of unchanging timelessness... to your phrasing, Blonde?
    Notime Shamen: the "no time" part
    sophia Placebo: no time part ?
    Blonde Starsmith: is it easier if I do the typing mode?
    Blonde Starsmith: so you know I'm conscious
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    sophia Placebo: hi bert :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Not at all. I've recently turned this typing animation on and am not sure at all if I like it!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bert :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Bert :)
    Notime Shamen: hello Bertram
    Eliza Madrigal: So, however you are most comfortable Blonde :)))
    Bertram Jacobus: hi everybody :-) thx for the as always nice greetings :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice 'friendly' tag, Bert! :)
    sophia Placebo: hi Eos
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos! :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Eos :)
    Notime Shamen: Hello Eos
    Bertram Jacobus: ty eliza :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and hi eos :-)
    Notime Shamen: Sophia, there is a certain part of us that sees the world in the same terms it has always seen it
    Blonde Starsmith: There seems to be an ancient quaality in all of us. Hidden by ?? for millenia. Our animal forms keep us occupied and our true reality hidden from us. So it is always there and our job to find it. So I beleive there is no real change just knowledge discovered
    Notime Shamen: as Blonde said, maybe the innate part
    Eos Amaterasu: HI all, slow rezzing today
    Bertram Jacobus: i activated the writing animation, too recently (but "afain") - so others can see when i´m writing. thought, that was better ... hm -
    Bertram Jacobus: again*
    Eliza Madrigal: 'what is or seems hidden' is a fascinating line of thought... how discovering we are often unearthing or rediscovering what we know...
    sophia Placebo: what dose it see notime ?
    Eliza Madrigal: or rather not 'we' but what is known?
    Notime Shamen: Sophia you ask lots of questions. haha
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Eliza Madrigal: She's an excavator :)))
    sophia Placebo: sorry xD just want to be with you on same stream of thought
    Blonde Starsmith: Part of what I'm learning is take that quiet moment to listen to myself and accept. Lots of synchronicity happens
    sophia Placebo: and im really intersted :)
    Notime Shamen: At a certain pint time just does not matter
    Notime Shamen: point
    Notime Shamen: it seems to me that is a good place to be
    sophia Placebo nods to blond
    Eliza Madrigal: MMM, Lovely, Blonde. Yes, that's what the micro-meditations do... help one to develop continuity in pausing
    Fael Illyar: so 'notime" doesn't so much mean that there's no time but more that it doesn't reall y matter?
    Blonde Starsmith: that pause is one thing the world is set up to prevent it seems
    Eliza Madrigal: to find that space in everything, in all kinds of times
    Notime Shamen: yes fael but I was being cute with the name
    Notime Shamen: maybe too cute. haha
    Eliza Madrigal nods to Blonde, yup! We surely have to be intentional about it don't we?!
    Eliza Madrigal really likes the name :)
    Blonde Starsmith: ty
    Blonde Starsmith: I seem to have developed a diversity without trying. Malibu barbie and seeking truth
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Blonde Starsmith: I blame my friends for the barbie part
    Blonde Starsmith: b ut I've found love, strenght and insight from so many different forms here.. that it just doens't matter and has made me look at RL differently
    Blonde Starsmith: easier to love ppl as opposed to react to their exterior
    Eliza Madrigal: yes indeed.... funny that all kinds of outrageous forms can help us see and hear more clearly ... not miss the point?
    Eliza Madrigal: go beyond what makes sense?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Blonde Starsmith: true, and I'm grateful to SL for widening my understanding
    Eliza Madrigal: Me too, definitely
    Fael Illyar: yes, me too :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I suppose it is only that if we use it that way, though
    Fael Illyar: just like any tool :)
    sophia Placebo: which one has greater effect : emotions or logic on personal scale ?
    Blonde Starsmith: heart
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh wow sophia
    Fael Illyar: It used to be that my answer would've been logic but... I've realized that it's always been emotions, really. Logic's just been an attempt to hide it.
    Eliza Madrigal: how interesting... so logic as a tool for distancing?
    Blonde Starsmith: or denying those emotions
    sophia Placebo: can you say more fael?
    Eliza Madrigal: is that because we don't know what to do with them, and think we are supposed to?
    Blonde Starsmith: brb.. kid
    Fael Illyar: not knowing doesn't matter, unless we think we should know.
    sophia Placebo nods
    Fael Illyar: I realize that a lot of decisions I've made in the past have been very much inline with my feelings. I've just required a logical seeming reason before accepting it.
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that logic was some how more 'legitimate'?
    Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if that is for you, or for others' expectations though... something one can explain...
    Bertram Jacobus: sry, i leave already again - have a good time all and ty for the talk *wave* ... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bert :)
    Fael Illyar: Have fun Bert :)
    Notime Shamen: bye
    Bertram Jacobus: ty
    sophia Placebo: but what truly change us , a logical solution that i should get thin for my health or my emotions of disgust of my status , the obesity the bad food and the feeling of disgust of self ?
    sophia Placebo: acknowldging emotions is a knowing too fael no ?
    Blonde Starsmith: I gave all those emots up and accepted what my outside looked like. I twas very liberating
    Fael Illyar: yes, I would say that is so.
    sophia Placebo: i can imagine blond :)
    Eliza Madrigal: personally, I'm not sure I've ever changed something out of disgust or self hatred...
    Eliza Madrigal: that seems to sap the energy one needs to shift or change
    Eliza Madrigal: One has to go deeper...
    sophia Placebo: how about of realizing yourself disgust ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, seeing it is another thing!
    Fael Illyar: myself, when I've been disgusted with myself or even hated something about myself, it's always just had me sink in my heels deeper to make sure it won't change.
    sophia Placebo nods
    Eliza Madrigal: We can see more clearly from the deeper place... then be compassionate with ourselves....
    Blonde Starsmith: I've learned that this is just the carrier for my soul. I will leave it like my house with a bad mortgage
    sophia Placebo: it is Eliza comment :[7:43] Eliza Madrigal: yes indeed.... funny that all kinds of outrageous forms can help us see and hear more clearly ... not miss the point?
    sophia Placebo: could that be outragouse self atred too no?
    sophia Placebo: seeing that i mean
    Eliza Madrigal: hm... yes I think I understand what you mean sophia... seeing our selves in all outrageousness... clearly enough to give space and allowing for something to change....
    Fael Illyar: the courage to accept oneself despite being unacceptable.
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    sophia Placebo nods
    Blonde Starsmith: SL does give us the liberity to express inner those clearly.
    Blonde Starsmith: my thoughts are backward.... thinking
    Eliza Madrigal has to get going. Pleasure to meet you notime and Blonde. I hope you'll both return... We're here at 1,7,1,7 :)
    Fael Illyar: Have fun Eliza :)
    sophia Placebo: bye eliza :)
    Notime Shamen: bye Eliza. thank you
    Blonde Starsmith: bye Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you everyone :) Bye for now
    sophia Placebo: is that seeing of self logic or emotion ?
    Eos Amaterasu also leaves silently....
    Notime Shamen: the outrageous parts are the parts that change in time
    sophia Placebo: bye Eos
    Notime Shamen: bye Eos
    Fael Illyar: It's not the emotions that are the cause of emotional pain. It's the attempt to make them go away.
    Blonde Starsmith: Or thinking that someone else can make them go away.
    Notime Shamen: negative emotions cause us pain; positive emotions makes the pain go away
    Blonde Starsmith: I don't understand the bell
    sophia Placebo: :)
    sophia Placebo: this is a practice we do here
    Blonde Starsmith: ahhh...
    Blonde Starsmith: nice ...
    Notime Shamen: whenever the bell rings an angel gets its wings
    sophia Placebo: we stop for 90 seconds in which we just stop writing talikng
    Blonde Starsmith: lol
    sophia Placebo: i g2g , nice meeting you all
    Fael Illyar: See you sophia :)
    Blonde Starsmith: ty sophia
    Notime Shamen: nice meeting you too Sophia
    Notime Shamen: and all of you
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Notime Shamen: I hope I find Second Life as nice as you have
    Blonde Starsmith: I'm glad to find contemplative groups here in SL. My visual and audio and mental systems have been overloaded. Like a kid in a candy store
    Fael Illyar smiles 'Yes, SL can have that effect.'
    Blonde Starsmith: As long as a person brings their ethics and morals here, it is a wonderful place to learn and grow
    Fael Illyar: yes... some people appear to forget that even with the world being virtual, the people in here are real.
    Blonde Starsmith: those are the gamers I'm afraid. Have met some
    Blonde Starsmith: many are so sweet and nice though, just have no idea what they're really exp here
    Fael Illyar: This is a wonderful place to meet people from all over the world :)
    Blonde Starsmith: Quite, tea in London, dancehall in Australia, sunset in Africa
    Fael Illyar is from Finland.
    Blonde Starsmith: Thi chi in the solar system
    Blonde Starsmith: I remeber you mentioning that
    Blonde Starsmith: I'm from Calif
    Notime Shamen: I haven;t met too many people from Finland
    Fael Illyar: me neither
    Blonde Starsmith: lol
    Notime Shamen: haha
    Fael Illyar grins.
    Blonde Starsmith: so you're the only fin and you're funny
    Blonde Starsmith: good
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Notime Shamen: I need to go. Thank you for the pleasant conversation
    Fael Illyar: Have fun Notime :) It was nice to meet you :)
    Blonde Starsmith: yes this has been a wonderful thing to do early in the mroning to start the day, for me
    Notime Shamen: bye
    Fael Illyar waves.
    Blonde Starsmith: by notime
    Fael Illyar: Hello Foxtree :)
    Foxtree Gorbunov: Hi Fael
    Foxtree Gorbunov: Hi Blonde
    Blonde Starsmith: Hi Foxtree
    Foxtree Gorbunov: What is the topic for the day?
    Blonde Starsmith: my brain is backing up data...
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Blonde Starsmith: early for me
    Fael Illyar: hmmh... I wonder what would be a short way to say it.
    Blonde Starsmith: there isn't one is there
    Blonde Starsmith: inner and outer change. ??
    Fael Illyar: yes, not really.
    Blonde Starsmith: Fox you had to be here
    Blonde Starsmith: most have left will return at what 1pm
    Foxtree Gorbunov: I sort of got that...
    Foxtree Gorbunov: 1:00 sounds right
    Blonde Starsmith: I know how you must feel... darn wish I had been there
    Foxtree Gorbunov: Well...it is recorded
    Foxtree Gorbunov: just have to read up on what happen
    Blonde Starsmith: is this recorded without any editing?
    Foxtree Gorbunov: That is my understanding
    Blonde Starsmith: like the silly lols
    Fael Illyar: There is some editing sometimes but usually not.
    Blonde Starsmith: that fine... seekers can key in on the words then
    Fael Illyar: mostly only if someone does not want their lines on the log.
    Foxtree Gorbunov: Ladys the bell.....
    Blonde Starsmith: ty Fox
    Foxtree Gorbunov: no worrys
    Blonde Starsmith: nice to practice holding a thought
    Foxtree Gorbunov: I guess
    Blonde Starsmith: But I think I'll go do some Thi Chi... find it is amazing
    Fael Illyar: Have fun Blonde :)
    Blonde Starsmith: I thank you good people ... I will be back
    Foxtree Gorbunov: Keep smileing Blonde
    Blonde Starsmith: and may you have a wonderful morining / afternoon / or evening
    Blonde Starsmith: always my dear... sunshine of the heart
    Fael Illyar waves happily.
    Blonde Starsmith: Namaste
    Blonde Starsmith: Greetings
    Blonde Starsmith: I honor your soul.
    Blonde Starsmith: May your path be of peace and enlightment.
    Foxtree Gorbunov: so your inot ink?
    Fael Illyar: ink?
    Foxtree Gorbunov: into ink
    Foxtree Gorbunov: tattoos
    Fael Illyar: I was surprised when I made my first tattoo in SL. Never had a tattoo in RL nor have I made one.
    Fael Illyar: and one hand is still enough to count how many I've made.
    Foxtree Gorbunov: but you run a tatoo shop in SL?
    Fael Illyar: but my other things don't sell so well.
    Fael Illyar: it's not strictly tattoos
    Fael Illyar: but looking at what people buy, it might as well be :)
    Foxtree Gorbunov: oh...what other thing do you sell?
    Fael Illyar: Wings, this hairflower, a hug from behind poseball set... one scripted box that helps some in luring in people to my shop to take a look
    Foxtree Gorbunov: How the shop doing. People buy a lot?
    Fael Illyar: not all that much... the shop barely pays for itself.
    Foxtree Gorbunov: sorry to hear that
    Fael Illyar: but then... I haven't done much about it.
    Foxtree Gorbunov: also I got to run
    Fael Illyar: ok, have fun :=
    Foxtree Gorbunov: Keep happey
    Fael Illyar: you too
    Fael Illyar waves.
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