2009.12.31 01:00 - Labels and Gauging Openness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Zen Arado. The comments are by Zen Arado.

        Zen Arado: Hi Lia
        Lia Rikugun: hello zen hello nymf
        Zen Arado: Hi Nymf
        Nymf Hathaway: Hello Zen & Lia :)
        Lia Rikugun: hello calvino
        Nymf Hathaway: Good evening Calvino :)
        Zen Arado: Hi Cal
        Lia Rikugun: you mean good morning :)
        Lia Rikugun: (at leats for me)
        Zen Arado: very late evening for Cal!
        Nymf Hathaway: Always thought it was late at night for Calvino at this time :)
        Calvino Rabeni: Good morning
        Nymf Hathaway: oke was right :)
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes its SLT
        Zen Arado: wonder how the party went?
        Zen Arado: I only stayed an hour
        Nymf Hathaway: Missed it :(
        Lia Rikugun: oh yes it was yesterday right?
        Lia Rikugun: but very late for me
        Zen Arado: from 2 to 6 pm
        Lia Rikugun: yes :)
        Nymf Hathaway: yes... late for europeans :(
        Zen Arado: don't think they had a music stream
        Zen Arado: I set one up for my property but I find it very tricky
        Calvino Rabeni: There was music as far as I could tell
        Nymf Hathaway: Last day of the year... I am curious what 2010 will bring
        Zen Arado: yes but only using talk I think
        Lia Rikugun: new adventures hopefully!
        Zen Arado: maybe I am wrong
        Zen Arado: yes who knows
        Lia Rikugun: new beginning :)
        Lia Rikugun: but as we learn here each moment is a new beginning right? :)
        Zen Arado: trying to stay open to possibilities more than I used to
        Zen Arado: beginner's mind
        Nymf Hathaway: What a wonderful thing Zen
        Zen Arado: ah but I try
        Zen Arado: don't succeed always
        Zen Arado: :)
        Nymf Hathaway: Thats human... but the effort makes the difference
        Zen Arado: try to control things too much
        Nymf Hathaway: oooh is having the same issue :)
        Zen Arado: I have had problems with this -you can't be just passive either
        Lia Rikugun: maybe you start by controlling until it gets more natural?
        Lia Rikugun: and then it happens automnatically
        Lia Rikugun: somehting you need to get used to
        Calvino Rabeni: So how do you imagine doing it *just right* ?
        Lia Rikugun: no idea :)
        Zen Arado: maybe living from a place where you are more in tune with what is required?
        Zen Arado: where you just 'see' what to do instead of planning and scheming
        Zen Arado: something Pema said a few days ago intrigued me
        Zen Arado: he said 'just because somebody does or syas something unpleasant doesn't make trhem an unpleasant person'
        Zen Arado: something like that
        Nymf Hathaway: No... its the receivers perspective doing that :)
        Zen Arado: but I wondered if somebody does this often aren't you justified in thinking this?
        Lia Rikugun: and the moment may be unpleasant
        Zen Arado: or should you always give them the bennefit of the doubt?
        Lia Rikugun: i think you cannot put this label on anybody
        Calvino Rabeni: Even if they really *are* a jackass you can still feel however you want, for yourself
        Lia Rikugun: pleasant or unpleasant
        Zen Arado: Hi Qt
        Qt Core: hi all
        Lia Rikugun: but some people are pleasant in some situations and some are unpleasant
        Lia Rikugun: hello Qt
        Nymf Hathaway: Hi Qt :)
        Calvino Rabeni: Because you don't have to justify your assessment to anyone
        Zen Arado: yes ..we can't stick those labels on ppl
        Lia Rikugun: but this I find it very difficult
        Lia Rikugun: theoretically I can understand
        Lia Rikugun: but if someone is not nice one time
        Lia Rikugun: i will remember
        Lia Rikugun: and be aware next time
        Zen Arado: it is self protection I am thinking
        Lia Rikugun: but the challenge is maybe to be open but also aware
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes, you can know a dog will bite, but not be angry and blame it.
        Zen Arado: but we shouldn't be too self protective?
        Lia Rikugun: open so that this person can be pleasant
        Calvino Rabeni: The dog is just that way.
        Calvino Rabeni: And a person may or may not be able to change.
        Zen Arado: but shouldn't we protect ourselves a bit?
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes
        Zen Arado: it might be foolishness not to?
        Calvino Rabeni: You can do that without feeling badly they are the way they are
        Qt Core: forgive but not forget ?
        Calvino Rabeni: Why forget what is true?
        Nymf Hathaway: and you can even if you come across that one again... just do not take him serious any longer... thats if what he was saying only was to hurt you
        Calvino Rabeni: I think you meant by "not forget" something like "hold accountable"
        Zen Arado: perhaps a really enlightened wouldn't worry about protecting thenselves?
        Zen Arado: person
        Calvino Rabeni: If it were necessary
        Qt Core: not really, more like hoping for the best but be prepaerd for the worst (maybe not so melodramatically)
        Lia Rikugun: yes qt i thinks thats a good idea
        Zen Arado: like Jesus allowing himself to be crucified?
        Lia Rikugun: be open to give the possibility for change
        Calvino Rabeni: but most people don't want to emulate jesus to that degree
        Calvino Rabeni: nor should they
        Zen Arado: or maybe we can do this according to our ability
        Calvino Rabeni: and to the responsibility that we can bear?
        Zen Arado: agree with Qt - we should be optimistic about ppl and maybe they will respond to our expectation a bit
        Lia Rikugun: yes
        Zen Arado: our own attitude may affect theirs
        Calvino Rabeni: A positive assumption can be a very powerful thing
        Calvino Rabeni: both for oneself and for others
        Calvino Rabeni: and I think, even if it doesn't "control" others, it is still useful for me.
        Calvino Rabeni: If that makes sense?
        Zen Arado: yes
        Zen Arado: ah I am starting to control again :)
        Lia Rikugun: i have one question
        Lia Rikugun: can you do this every day: be positive towards everybody
        Lia Rikugun: what would be a good way to do this
        Lia Rikugun: i think theoretically it is wonderful
        Lia Rikugun: but i see that it is not always working for me
        Calvino Rabeni: In my view, it is a matter of a kind of equanimity
        Lia Rikugun: especially with people well I dont like so much :)
        Zen Arado: yes and we have to be patient with ourselves
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes very true
        Nymf Hathaway: Everybody is a big word Lia... this would mean we cannot think about how we feel ourselves
        Qt Core: i don't think i'm really positive, i go around expecting people behaving "like yesterday", a little better, a little worse, but being ready for big deviation from that too
        Lia Rikugun: so what are your suggestions
        Zen Arado: maybe if we make more efforet to really know people
        Lia Rikugun: and ourself
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes ourself.
        Zen Arado: we can be more understanding towards them
        Qt Core: but surely being negative is a great way to ruin your day starting from the beginning
        Zen Arado: yes that too
        Nymf Hathaway: agrees Qt
        Lia Rikugun: and maybe not fall back to much into the self
        Lia Rikugun: have a general position like an observer
        Lia Rikugun: not to get caught too much into anger or something like that
        Qt Core: i think that what you think will happen and what you hope will happen are (and have to be) two distinct things
        Calvino Rabeni: And what you want to happen
        Zen Arado: we don't know what makes people behave the way they do
        Lia Rikugun: hello Pema
        Qt Core: hi Pema
        Zen Arado: someone mught have had a row with their spouse that morning
        Nymf Hathaway: Anger only tells you, you are involved with the subject and you are in need to think about your reaction...or even change your persepctive on the subject
        Zen Arado: Hi Pema
        Nymf Hathaway: Hi Pema :)
        Pema Pera: Hi Calvino, Nymf, Zen, LIa, Qt!
        Calvino Rabeni: We are discussion juicy things - anger, blame, equanimity, reactivity, accountability, all that
        Pema Pera: (I'm just waiting for SL to rez, less juicy :-)
        Zen Arado: we were discussing what you said about someone who says something unpleasant not necessaroily being an unpleasant person
        Calvino Rabeni: involvement, detachment, trust, assumptions, etc.
        Zen Arado: Pema
        Nymf Hathaway: It all started with Zen telling us he promissed himself to stay more open towards everything in 2010... which is a great new years thought
        Zen Arado: so I will get hurt again :(
        Zen Arado: :)
        Calvino Rabeni: You may, zen, but I think you can decide whether it is worth it, and how much, to some degree
        Zen Arado: hmmm not usually :)
        Pema Pera: staying open is hard, but opening up, time and again, is more doable, I have found
        Zen Arado: maybe it gets easier
        Lia Rikugun: i need to remind myself
        Zen Arado: you learn to cope with the hurts
        Calvino Rabeni: with practice I feel it does get easier
        Pema Pera: that's the main problem, Lia, that's what the 9 sec breaks were designed to do
        Zen Arado: better than becoming repressed and bitter
        Qt Core: and you may even asses the risk of opening up in each situation
        Lia Rikugun: :)
        Calvino Rabeni: even to open to love is to risk hurt
        Pema Pera: !
        Zen Arado: that's the hardest one !
        Calvino Rabeni: Is that agree, Pema?
        Pema Pera: yes, emphatically so
        Nymf Hathaway: I learned myself... we all have things to learn... those who hurt me as well... maybe thats one of their lessons in life
        Calvino Rabeni: I think it is a bargain
        Lia Rikugun: so if we dont open up, we wont experince these great things :)
        Lia Rikugun: is this what we shuld learn from this? :D
        Pema Pera: indeed
        Pema Pera: yet if we open up too fast, we hurt unnecessarily, and then it may also be more difficult to learn from the massive hurt -- so it's a matter of balance, as always
        Nymf Hathaway: agrees
        Zen Arado: but how to know what too fast is?
        Nymf Hathaway: You know yourself
        Lia Rikugun: my question too :)
        Pema Pera: However, opening up without seeing, without insight, may always be dangerous -- seeing is the most important part, and opening up can then follow naturally
        Pema Pera: yes, know yourself
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes, what you can bear without losing yourself
        Calvino Rabeni: What you can assent to
        Pema Pera: and you naturally feel if it is too fast, there are no rules
        Pema Pera: feeling/sensing/seeing -- we don't have a good word for that
        Zen Arado: yes it is being more in touch with youself
        Qt Core: listening as beside the "theory" i don't know much about being open
        Nymf Hathaway: Good point Pema
        Zen Arado: knowing yourself
        Zen Arado: empathy with yourself?
        Calvino Rabeni: you can slowly drop "likes" and "dislikes", while holding compassion for self
        Zen Arado: love is a kind of greed though and we jump right in
        Calvino Rabeni: no rigid rules
        Pema Pera: with practice you can sense the greed, and the harm it causes, to self and other
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it wouldn't feel pure
        Zen Arado: desires are never satisfied
        Lia Rikugun: what is 'it' her:e love?
        Calvino Rabeni: yes
        Lia Rikugun: ok
        Pema Pera: but really, it is the same with everything: with fastening your shoe laces even: you learn to feel when it is too tight or too lose -- would be impossible to describe in a rigid set of rules
        Zen Arado: romantic love is a kind of madness I think
        Calvino Rabeni: :)
        Lia Rikugun: :)
        Pema Pera: there may be a place for madness too :)
        Calvino Rabeni: that was a traditional attitude
        Nymf Hathaway: Darwins theory :)
        Calvino Rabeni: good point pema
        Pema Pera: no rules no limits
        Pema Pera: but sense, yes, and sensing
        Calvino Rabeni: no fixed rules fixed limits
        Calvino Rabeni: flexible rules that are intelligently applied
        Calvino Rabeni: in accord with current reality
        Pema Pera: starting PaB felt like quite a romantic thing to do, and quite crazy :-)
        Qt Core: what would be of the thrill of breaking rules without rules ?
        Calvino Rabeni: Breaking your own unnecessary rules is thrilling
        Nymf Hathaway: agrees with Calvino :))))
        Pema Pera: rules are useful as guidelines
        Nymf Hathaway: as Pema did with the start of Pab :)
        Calvino Rabeni: reference points for agreements and communication
        Pema Pera: identities are useful, but solid identifications with the identities overshoot and get in the way
        Zen Arado: hard to keep your feet on the ground with romantic love though
        Pema Pera: roles and rules are there to be worn lightly
        Zen Arado: I find
        Qt Core: statistically speaking rules are good, but on a personal/single case not always
        Zen Arado: emotions are hard to cope with
        Pema Pera: for a self, yes
        Pema Pera: but really seeing the emotions, perhaps no need to cope . . . .
        Pema Pera: going into the heart of them
        Zen Arado: yes too much self carries us away
        Calvino Rabeni: yes
        Pema Pera: coping is taking an outsider stance
        Calvino Rabeni: when a self is defined by emotions, it gets carried away helplessly
        Calvino Rabeni: a different way of agreeing with Pema I think
        Nymf Hathaway: works mostly for me... taking a step back and think before I react
        Pema Pera: watching emotions can be very powerful, and in fact not that hard, as long as we remind ourselves to try
        Calvino Rabeni: working with emotions is an important skill
        Zen Arado: but it's like what Lia was saying earlier about something else - the theory is fine , but the practice...different story
        Pema Pera: yes, Nymf, the short breaks :)
        Pema Pera: so you keep trying and learning :)
        Calvino Rabeni: practice IS a different story but not a difficult one :)
        Zen Arado: ok :)
        Nymf Hathaway: Hello Boots
        Lia Rikugun: :) will try continue trying
        Boots Mission: hello :)
        Lia Rikugun: hello boots
        Qt Core: hi Boots
        Zen Arado: Hi Boots
        Pema Pera: hi there Boos
        Pema Pera: *Boots
        Boots Mission: this is way kewl, )
        Boots Mission: I am sorry, I am intruding,.
        Zen Arado: have you been here before Boots?
        Boots Mission: no
        Zen Arado: no you are welcome
        Boots Mission: I own land just over there
        Zen Arado: I'll give you an notecard about what we do here
        Boots Mission: on mieum
        Pema Pera: RL calling, great discussion, thanks a lot!
        Lia Rikugun: yes definitely
        Lia Rikugun: bye pema
        Calvino Rabeni: bye
        Nymf Hathaway: Have a wonderful new years Pema...since you are the first of all of us :)
        Qt Core: bye Pema
        Pema Pera: see you next year (for me; it's 7 pm already :-)
        Lia Rikugun: i will leave too, you all have a great new years eve
        Lia Rikugun: and nice celebration!
        Nymf Hathaway: Have a good new years Lia :)
        Calvino Rabeni: : Lia
        Zen Arado: bye Pema#
        Zen Arado: Bye Lia
        Qt Core: we are quiet neighborhood, Boots, when we aren't having preemptive new year party like some hours ago ;-)
        Boots Mission: my brain hurts after reading that twice, giggles. what is this?
        Zen Arado: we have discussions
        Boots Mission: ahh ok
        Zen Arado: about life
        Qt Core: and try to remind there is an universe around and inside us, but in a light way
        Zen Arado: and we use a technique of stopping every 15 mins and looking inside ourselves
        Zen Arado: briefly
        Boots Mission: sort of like we are nothing compared to the universe around us, we are part of something very big, but we are not the center?
        Zen Arado: yes that's one perspective
        Calvino Rabeni: Might see that, yes, but the idea is just to notice exactly what we DO see.
        Zen Arado: we all think WE are the center of the universe
        Boots Mission: of course
        Zen Arado: pre Copernicans?
        Calvino Rabeni: Maybe it is just an indescribable weird feeling
        Boots Mission: but to realize otherwise, is the greatest enlightenment
        Nymf Hathaway: Not think... experience life as we are the centre...its the thrill to experience life from the outside as well... (which is hard :) )
        Calvino Rabeni: We are not trying to see all the way to enlightment
        Calvino Rabeni: If somehow you could, that's great
        Calvino Rabeni: but the rest of the time, we are looking at that too
        Calvino Rabeni: baby steps sometimes
        Calvino Rabeni: there is no wrong answer
        Calvino Rabeni: this is how I understand it anyway :)
        Zen Arado: perhaps being more aware of ourselves is a good start
        Calvino Rabeni: yes
        Zen Arado: we tend to be on autopilot most of the time
        Zen Arado: a bit unconscious
        Boots Mission: are we not aware of ourselves first? The hardest hurdle is realizing the person next to you is not aware of you?
        Boots Mission: Love comes from that, they see you
        Boots Mission: the real you
        Zen Arado: I think we spend too much time in the past and in the future
        Zen Arado: so we aren't really 'here'
        Boots Mission: lol
        Boots Mission: true
        Calvino Rabeni: actually it's impossible to spend time other than here, so it might be easier to give up the effort :)
        Zen Arado: and we have an image of ourselves that isn't really true
        Boots Mission: I agree Zen
        Zen Arado: it is a construction of how we reacted to thoings in the past
        Boots Mission: I am 44 years old, and it wasnt until I was 36 that it occurred to me that my reality was not the same for everyone else
        Calvino Rabeni: A memorable insight
        Zen Arado: yes Boots
        Zen Arado: took me longer than that !
        Nymf Hathaway: (sorry was afk my son needed me, back again)
        Nymf Hathaway: Wonderful Boots :)
        Calvino Rabeni: The reality of people sometimes seems like mirrors facing each other
        Boots Mission: I joined SL in 2004, as a very shy, unsure person. I learned something about myself and others. We are all in our little world, that is in many other worlds, that grows bigger and bigger,
        Boots Mission: I could write a book on how SL helped me in RL
        Zen Arado: Sl can be a frightening place too
        Calvino Rabeni: A liberating feeling and insight
        Zen Arado: know some who never made it off Help island
        Boots Mission: the thousands of people I met
        Boots Mission: The best friends
        Boots Mission: The awesome people changed my life
        Zen Arado: yes..you meet such helpful and interesting ppl
        Boots Mission: yea, Help Island, I was a mentor for years,
        Zen Arado: meeting here has made me start really thinking again
        Zen Arado: inspired me to go into things I never thought of
        Boots Mission: Sometimes we lose the path, and forget why we even exist. It is odd, I have owned land right over there on Mieum for years, but just now, I was compelled to come here. I have no idea
        Zen Arado: amazing
        Nymf Hathaway: Yes, I like that about life :)
        Zen Arado: we were saying earlier about trying to stay open to life in 2010
        Zen Arado: rather than being too protective
        Zen Arado: I liked what Pema said about knowing ourselves so we can guuge when to open ourselves
        Boots Mission: is it fear that rules?
        Boots Mission: That is my quandry, fear rules me when I dont realize it
        Zen Arado: I think it is a very big factor for all of us
        Zen Arado: bottom line
        Calvino Rabeni: know your limits
        Calvino Rabeni: and stretch them
        Calvino Rabeni: gradually
        Boots Mission: When I realize fear is ruling me, I sit back and ask myself why?
        Zen Arado: yes it isn't rocket science
        Boots Mission: Fear can have a major impact on your life.
        Zen Arado: steping back is great
        Zen Arado: stepping
        Nymf Hathaway: as much as I am enjoying this great discussion... I need to go :( have a great new years everyone and till next year :)
        Zen Arado: thanks for coming Nymf
        Calvino Rabeni: Good to see you Nymf,happy new year
        Zen Arado: bye:)
        Nymf Hathaway: As always the pleasure is mine as well :)
        Qt Core: bye Nymf and happy new year!
        Zen Arado: happy new year
        Qt Core: i need to go to, bye all and a great year to you all
        Qt Core: too
        Zen Arado: yes maybe I should go too
        Calvino Rabeni: It is a little late in the session, but I want to leave a link to a poem on the topic of the session
        Calvino Rabeni: http://books.google.com/books?id=nLQ...age&q=&f=false
        Zen Arado: happy new year if I don't see you later
        Calvino Rabeni: For the log readers
        Zen Arado: thanks Cal
        Calvino Rabeni: Bye all, have the best year yet!
        Zen Arado: bye
        Calvino Rabeni: Bye :)
        Boots Mission: ty :)
        Boots Mission: Im looking at it now
        Calvino Rabeni: Glad you came by, Boots
        Calvino Rabeni: It's about the choice to go towards more life
        Boots Mission: everyone seemed to poof, was it me?
        Boots Mission: lolol
        Calvino Rabeni: rather than ideas or fear
        Calvino Rabeni: Not at all :)
        Calvino Rabeni: The session started at 1:00, many have already left
        Boots Mission: oh, lol
        Calvino Rabeni: there are 4 per day - 1 and 7 am and pm
        Boots Mission: I didnt have a scedule
        Calvino Rabeni: with different people, because it is global
        Boots Mission: we all come to SL for many reasons, disabilities, escape, for fun
        Boots Mission: in an attempt to be normal
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes, communication, connection with faraway people
        Calvino Rabeni: Normal I feel, is a comparison I hoped to let go
        Calvino Rabeni: A fiction
        Boots Mission: I just cannot define normal
        Boots Mission: lol
        Calvino Rabeni: No one can :)
        Boots Mission: I wander SL
        Boots Mission: as in life
        Boots Mission: both, and I have no idea what normal is
        Calvino Rabeni: a wanderer
        Calvino Rabeni: "all who wander are not lost" - or some such saying
        Calvino Rabeni: really, no one knows what normal is
        Calvino Rabeni: If they think they do, they are mistaken
        Calvino Rabeni: (in my very humble opinion)
        Calvino Rabeni: All the gifts of life have been distributed to the human family in very uneven ways
        Boots Mission: it is like this pool in front of me, I am watching it, the ripples change , slowly, this is how I see life
        Boots Mission: I am not sure what ripple I am on? make sense?
        Calvino Rabeni: I'm sitting with that
        Calvino Rabeni: everyone grounds themself in something
        Calvino Rabeni: I come from a family of wanderers
        Calvino Rabeni: that is what we do
        Boots Mission: same here
        Calvino Rabeni: we have a different kind of freedom
        Boots Mission: but I was left behind, as I reached age
        Boots Mission: I miss my mother
        Boots Mission: she killed herself when I was 19
        Calvino Rabeni: that is very difficult.
        Calvino Rabeni: My parents lived, but they lived with suicides of their ancestors
        Calvino Rabeni: One can still feel the effect
        Boots Mission: yes
        Boots Mission: my grandpa killed himself
        Boots Mission: then my mother
        Calvino Rabeni: sorry
        Boots Mission: But they never left a reason why
        Boots Mission: but I know now
        Calvino Rabeni: that's good
        Boots Mission: it is massive depression that runs through the family
        Calvino Rabeni: ah, we may have had that - but there was social oppression as well
        Calvino Rabeni: mixed together, hard to sort out
        Boots Mission: is this place about social depression?
        Boots Mission: oppresion
        Boots Mission: lol
        Calvino Rabeni: no, people bring themselves here - and they speak of whatever they want, and seek to make it a workable dialogu
        Calvino Rabeni: it is not off limits
        Boots Mission: kewl
        Calvino Rabeni: It is not about therapy, or about digging up problems
        Boots Mission: ahhh
        Boots Mission: ok
        Calvino Rabeni: but it is about thinking better and more truthfully
        Calvino Rabeni: It is not about problem solveing
        Boots Mission: got it
        Calvino Rabeni: but is about having a bigger mind in which problems may seem easier
        Calvino Rabeni: if that makes sense
        Boots Mission: I dont even know why I came here, I have always been sensitive, Ive been coming to mieum for years, for some reason, I just walked over here
        Boots Mission: I never do that
        Calvino Rabeni: If you like the discussions here, it will have been fortuitous
        Calvino Rabeni: some great people here, of many varieties
        Boots Mission: Tell me what the discussions here are about
        Boots Mission: it may explain about why I was drawn here
        Calvino Rabeni: People bring their own interests, there is no "list" of topics, but the main idea is openness and awareness.
        Calvino Rabeni: I wasn't paying attention earlier when you first got here ....
        Calvino Rabeni: But the group host is supposed to inform you that the conversations are recorded here
        Boots Mission: I know that
        Calvino Rabeni: and then put on the home page. The idea is to get the assent of the visitors.
        Calvino Rabeni: OK you got that.
        Calvino Rabeni: And you can even see the history of everything that was discussed in the past, but that could be "too much information" :)
        Boots Mission: Ive been in SL since 2004, workingmy way through, dealing with personalites.
        Calvino Rabeni: People in this group have learned to dialogue in a constructive way
        Boots Mission: that have changed my whole life
        Calvino Rabeni: That is very long time in SL
        Calvino Rabeni: You probably have a lot of coping skills by now :)
        Calvino Rabeni: There have rarely been arguments and grief here.
        Boots Mission: yikes!
        Calvino Rabeni: Probably, people who are looking for that,don't think it would be interesting to stay around here
        Boots Mission: they think I am a griefer?
        Calvino Rabeni: absolutely not,
        Calvino Rabeni: I'm glad you showed up, and liked your style
        Boots Mission: I didnt come here to make anyone mad, if I did , I am sorry, SL is a part of my life
        Boots Mission: To me, SL is real, not a game
        Calvino Rabeni: rest easy, everyone enjoyed you here :)
        Calvino Rabeni: And hope you come anytime you want
        Boots Mission: hehehe, I wont come of everyone poofs,. SL is not a game, it is real life, a venue we use. what we do here affects our real life
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes, there has been a feeling of that - taking things from SL to RL that were learned
        Calvino Rabeni: So you have some SL land next door then?
        Boots Mission: it changed my whole RL
        Boots Mission: yes
        Boots Mission: over there
        Calvino Rabeni: I've done a little building, wish I had time for more.
        Boots Mission: giggles
        Boots Mission: I have a server plot over there
        Boots Mission: on mieum
        Boots Mission: and I have several sims
        Calvino Rabeni: wow
        Boots Mission: private islands
        Calvino Rabeni: what happens there, who goes there, what is it for, (curious I am)
        Calvino Rabeni: Open like this one, or closed?
        Boots Mission: the sims are private, open to all that have age verfied
        Boots Mission: we have homes
        Calvino Rabeni: I see. I am not verified.
        Boots Mission: we have stores
        Boots Mission: really?
        Calvino Rabeni: You have a community, people that are there a lot then?
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes
        Boots Mission: it shows you are verified
        Calvino Rabeni: OK, I don't know about it, maybe it is automatic? Or I just forgot.
        Calvino Rabeni: I never went to a place that required it, thus I am not aware of it
        Boots Mission: at one point, you used a credit card or filled out the lame questionaire, you are verified
        Calvino Rabeni: Did they have this in 1007?
        Calvino Rabeni: I meant, 2007
        Calvino Rabeni: Ok, maybe automatic, when I bought lindens
        Boots Mission: yes!
        Boots Mission: giggles
        Boots Mission: you are allowed to visit ALL the sims in sl
        Boots Mission: others cant
        Calvino Rabeni: I looked at the Google Map of SL from slurl.com
        Calvino Rabeni: It makes things look huge
        Calvino Rabeni: Eventually I suppose open source will take over
        Boots Mission: hmmm
        Boots Mission: dont let the full life overwhelm you
        Boots Mission: take SL one day at a time :)
        Calvino Rabeni: I don't explore on my own much. I mostly go where other SL people recommend.
        Boots Mission: ok, I am speaking as a mentor here, you are not required to answer anything,
        Calvino Rabeni: sure
        Boots Mission: there is many places to visit, thousands
        Boots Mission: are you gay or straight?
        Boots Mission: there are
        Calvino Rabeni: I am straight, mostly a scholar-monk type, but open minded
        Boots Mission: places that like dancersm singers
        Boots Mission: kewl :)
        Boots Mission: is this place your creation?
        Calvino Rabeni: No, most of it is created by "Storm Nordwind" who was very prolific with building and decorating
        Boots Mission: ok :)
        Calvino Rabeni: I have a home plot here as do many of the group members
        Boots Mission: dude
        Calvino Rabeni: there is something for everyone in SL, as far as I can see
        Calvino Rabeni: Have you explored this sim much?
        Boots Mission: I need to leave, as I part, more than two thirds of the women in SL are men,
        Boots Mission: I know all of SL
        Calvino Rabeni: oh that much, interesting
        Calvino Rabeni: I have a fem avatar but don't use it
        Boots Mission: lol
        Boots Mission: are you gay dude?
        Calvino Rabeni: gay? no
        Calvino Rabeni: I don't do sex stuff in SL
        Calvino Rabeni: no objection, mind you
        Boots Mission: giggles
        Boots Mission: I gave up sex years ago,
        Boots Mission: in sl
        Boots Mission: too many peeps lie
        Boots Mission: or hide the truth
        Calvino Rabeni: IF the tech were better I'd want to do more physical things here
        Calvino Rabeni: But I feel there's no point ... yet
        Boots Mission: giggles
        Boots Mission: there is no reason to have sex in sl
        Boots Mission: if you love someone
        Boots Mission: it works
        Boots Mission: so many peeps at sex stores, shops, dungeons
        Calvino Rabeni: I don't get it
        Boots Mission: have sex to just have sex
        Boots Mission: silly
        Calvino Rabeni: What RL time zone do you live in?
        Boots Mission: central
        Calvino Rabeni: central US
        Boots Mission: it is 5:28 my time in the morning
        Calvino Rabeni: I have a habit of being awake at night, but I will switchit in the spring time
        Calvino Rabeni: Would you give me a landmark for somewhere you built in SL?
        Boots Mission: why?
        Boots Mission: are you intgerested in me>
        Boots Mission: lolol
        Boots Mission: I made the biggest group in SL for gay men
        Calvino Rabeni: Not flirting
        Calvino Rabeni: But I like creative people
        Calvino Rabeni: OK, pavillion, I'm leaving now

    Calvino's note - Truly one of the old SL souls (2004 or so), Boots has a lovely - and quite impressive - spread not far from here.

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