2010.01.08 13:00 - hello recorder

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend bert
    Bertram Jacobus: hey yaku ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: do you see your IM ? ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello solobill ... :-)
    Solobill Laville: Hello, Bertrun, Yak! :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yak seems to be absent ... ;-)
    Solobill Laville: Ah, ok
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good evening :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or day
    Bertram Jacobus: i see, you are member of kira cafe - so you know this place, too solo ? :-)
    Liza Deischer: hi all
    Solobill Laville: Yes
    Solobill Laville: Hi, Liza
    Bertram Jacobus: hi liza :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and you were already asked for your permission to record the chat here i guess solo ?
    Solobill Laville: Indeed
    Yakuzza Lethecus: solo was here pretty often when i remember right
    Solobill Laville: I'm all good
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: sry - we didn´t meet before ... :-)
    Solobill Laville: No worries!
    Bertram Jacobus: ty ! :-))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: anyone got something in mind today ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or is everyone perfectly fine in dropping all thoughts while sitting around a dwell :)
    Bertram Jacobus: so much ... and nothing (important) ... (?) :o)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
    Solobill Laville: I was just hoping to listen in mostly :)
    Liza Deischer: you seem to keep onlanding on my lap
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya, Solobill!!
    Solobill Laville: Hello, Eliza :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello eliza ! ... :-)
    Liza Deischer: hi eliza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: usually thats my thoguht too solo :)
    Eliza Madrigal: So nice to see you, bill, asked about you at ZR the other day and hope all is well
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Liza, apologies :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bert
    Liza Deischer: np
    Solobill Laville: thanks, it is, you?
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Very well, thanks
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i´m thinkin about how it´ll be at the retraet - one week mostly talk english - whether i´ll stand that ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hey zon ! ... :-)
    Liza Deischer: hi Zon
    Zon Quar: heya
    Solobill Laville: Hi, Zon
    Bertram Jacobus: (because yaku asked)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey Zon :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure you'll manage fine, Bert
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi zon
    Liza Deischer: it only makes you tired :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: right liza - whereas "only" (?) ... hmmm ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: over all - i´m curious how it´ll be ... ;-)
    Liza Deischer: well, because we talk here about talking english
    Liza Deischer: thinking and speaking english all day long make you tired
    Bertram Jacobus: hello aubergine ... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aubergine
    Liza Deischer: but I admit, that I dont understand your part about being able to stand it
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. but i try to prepare a bit - use voice chat now in sl with english talkin people ... ;-)
    Liza Deischer: and as I am well informed, there are more Germans around
    Solobill Laville: Hello, Aubergine
    Zon Quar: hi A
    Liza Deischer: I've been on an english course once
    Liza Deischer: thought it might be a problem
    Liza Deischer: it wasn't really
    Bertram Jacobus: only a few and i may find it astonishing liza and so - may be i don´t can manage it to follow the discussions all time long -
    Liza Deischer: I had to speak and listen to English for over a week
    Bertram Jacobus: because - i feel again and again understanding problems ...
    Bertram Jacobus: hi storm :-)
    Liza Deischer: hi Sorm
    Solobill Laville: Hi, Storm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey newcomers
    Zon Quar: Storm
    Storm Nordwind: Hi. Not stopping long. Just thought I'd say hi. :)
    Aubergine Mint: hi storm
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi all
    Liza Deischer: well, it is tiring, and the more tired you get, the more difficult it gets
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
    Liza Deischer: that's true
    Aubergine Mint: hi agatha
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey Storm :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Liza :)
    Liza Deischer: hi Agatha
    Bertram Jacobus: hi agatha :-)
    Liza Deischer: hi Aubergine
    Solobill Laville: Hello, Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Heya Berti
    Zon Quar: Agatha
    Liza Deischer: (i knew I missed someone()
    Aubergine Mint: :)
    Liza Deischer: but I found out that most of the time, things are repeated in one or other way
    Liza Deischer: that helped me
    Bertram Jacobus: that´s right liza, agree ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and nice thought, finding, idea ;-)
    Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I'm late
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Wol :)
    Liza Deischer: hi Ara, Wol
    arabella Ella: Hiya everyone
    Aubergine Mint: hi Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ara
    Bertram Jacobus: hi wol np ! ;o)
    Zon Quar: wol
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol, Ara
    Zon Quar: ara
    Solobill Laville: Hello, Ms. Euler :)
    Wol Euler: Good evening, Mr. Laville, always a pleasure to see you.
    Solobill Laville bows
    Storm Nordwind wipes his brow - "some more snow cleared" - and bids farewell
    Wol Euler: good work, storm, thank you!
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Storm!
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks STorm! :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Top job Stormy!
    Eliza Madrigal: sorry to pop away so soon... nice to see you all... distractions here :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, bye Eliza :(
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
    arabella Ella: bye Storm bye Eliza
    Liza Deischer: I thought I saw you with a hamer
    Bertram Jacobus: hellloo mick ... :-)
    Liza Deischer: hi Mick
    Agatha Macbeth: Howdy Mick :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya Mick
    Liza Deischer: I'm glad you lke it
    Aubergine Mint: hey Mick
    Zon Quar: Mick
    Wol Euler: hello mick
    Solobill Laville: Hi, Mick, and Ara (sorry I missed you)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi everyone
    arabella Ella: Hiya Solo!
    arabella Ella: Havent seen u in ages
    Mickorod Renard: Hi solo,,are you well?
    Solobill Laville smiles
    Solobill Laville: Yes, fine, thanks, just RL busy
    Liza Deischer: Wol, I see your are already anicipating the first sunshine :-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: they are part of the outfit, actually.
    Liza Deischer: ah, okay
    Wol Euler: but yes, it has snowed for long enough.
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: helllo cal ;-)
    Liza Deischer: hi Cal
    Wol Euler: hello calvino
    Zon Quar: cal
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Cal
    arabella Ella: Hiya Calvino!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello good day all
    Aubergine Mint: hi Cal
    Bertram Jacobus: interesting : not two greetings are same ... ;-)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Variety is the spice of life ;)
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. i failed mick and agathas
    Liza Deischer: and we've got it here
    Agatha Macbeth: Failed Mick and Agatha's what?
    Agatha Macbeth: Written test?
    Solobill Laville: Greetings, I think
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Agatha Macbeth: You didn't fail at all Berti :)
    Bertram Jacobus: ("varieté" in german means vaudeville) ... ;o)
    Agatha Macbeth: In that case...
    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Solobill Laville: :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    arabella Ella: he he
    Agatha Macbeth: stop
    arabella Ella feels so out of breath ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Send in the clowns :)
    Bertram Jacobus: the friday tradition ... :o)
    arabella Ella: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Hee hee
    Bertram Jacobus: what do we like more ? onigokko or silence ? ... :o)
    Bertram Jacobus: onigokko
    Wol Euler: both and
    arabella Ella: onigokko :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe ara :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and wol ? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: stop
    Agatha Macbeth: Beats the hell out of silence
    Wol Euler: both have their delights
    Solobill Laville had to look through his inventory, it's been a while...
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: but agatha - why didn´t i fail ? i stated, that not two greetings had been same. but yours and micks were
    Solobill Laville: (oops, I got it wrong then)
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll dock you half a point then
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Or half a pint :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Solobill Laville: (thanks, Bertram, I found it)
    Bertram Jacobus: ok solo
    Agatha Macbeth: Silence is golden....
    Solobill Laville: So, who here engages in any of the PaB practices?
    Wol Euler grins
    Solobill Laville looks around
    Wol Euler: hands up?
    Aubergine Mint: don't we all?
    Wol Euler: that's the question :)
    Solobill Laville: Just asking
    Agatha Macbeth: Evidently not :)
    Wol Euler: coming here is not actually a practice as such ...
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Solobill Laville: Right, and I meant outside of coming here
    Agatha Macbeth: Practice makes perfect
    Aubergine Mint: so what is coming here?
    Wol Euler: hello zen
    Solobill Laville: Coming here :)
    Liza Deischer: hi Zen
    Zon Quar: zen
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Solobill Laville: Hi, Zen
    Agatha Macbeth: Top o' the evening to ya Zen
    arabella Ella: Hiya Zen
    Agatha Macbeth: Nice shirt Zen
    Bertram Jacobus: helllo zen :-)
    Wol Euler: Zen, for the record: Solo just asked whether anyone present does the PaB practices. Do you?
    Zen Arado: thanks:)
    Solobill Laville: (for the record, I did for quite some time)
    Zen Arado: not specifically at every 15 mins
    Mickorod Renard: hi zen
    Liza Deischer: Well, I have my own practice, that includs PaB practice in a way
    Zen Arado: but I work a lot with trying to be present
    Wol Euler: no, the 15 mins is a necessary part
    arabella Ella: past tense Solo?
    Aubergine Mint: why is the 15 mins a necessary part?
    Wol Euler: is isn't, that's just a recommendation.
    Solobill Laville: For me yes, past tense, but there is a lot of overlap, for example Zen's comment about trying to "be present"
    Wol Euler: I don't do them nearly that often, hardly once an hour on a good day
    Zen Arado: I am working with trying to be more with my body at the moment
    Wol Euler: because the rigid timetable doesn't suit the way I like to work
    Zen Arado: getting out of my mind
    Zon Quar: gtg, c u
    Wol Euler: bye zon
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya Zon
    Liza Deischer: byeZon
    Zen Arado: yes every 15mins is too rigid for me
    Mickorod Renard: bye zon
    Zen Arado: bye Zon
    Liza Deischer: It is hard in daily life
    Liza Deischer: where there are so much distractions
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Liza Deischer: and things that you (think you need) to do
    Wol Euler: oh, I see! sorry, I mistyped. There shold have been a NOT in that sentence. Sorry :(
    Liza Deischer: but being aware as much as possible, does help a lot
    Solobill Laville nods
    Zen Arado: I am trying to sense this 'inner body as a single field of energy' as Tolle puts it
    Solobill Laville: I am a bit of a "practice freak", in that to me anyway, discipline and regularity are vital
    Solobill Laville: Sounds great, Zen, how is it going??
    Zen Arado: works a little
    Zen Arado: can feel.....something
    Zen Arado: warmth
    Zen Arado: takes a lot of practice
    Zen Arado: and I want this body awareness to be there all the time
    Aubergine Mint: bye everyone :)
    Liza Deischer: 'want'
    Wol Euler: bye aubergine, take care
    arabella Ella: bye Aubergine
    Liza Deischer: bye Aubergine
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Minty
    Solobill Laville: Bye
    Zen Arado: be able to sense people at this level instead of mentally
    Bertram Jacobus: bye aubergine
    Zen Arado: bye Aubergine
    Zen Arado: make any sense?
    Solobill Laville: Indeed
    Wol Euler: yep
    Liza Deischer: yes it doe
    Liza Deischer: does
    Zen Arado: thought this was mumbo jumbo not so long ago :)
    Solobill Laville: What? Not with a first name lilke Zen! ;)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Zen Arado: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Zat's it Zen
    Bertram Jacobus: ty and cu later ladies and gentlemen ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: cu
    Wol Euler: bye bert, schlaf gut
    Solobill Laville: Bye, Bert
    Agatha Macbeth: Byeeeeee Berti
    Zen Arado: find Zen teaches me to stand back from thoughts
    arabella Ella: guten nacht bertram
    Liza Deischer: bye Bet
    Zen Arado: bye Bert
    Zen Arado: but not much emphasis on body awareness
    Solobill Laville: Ah, depends on the school of Zen
    Zen Arado: but I am prob wrong
    arabella Ella: perhaps on virtual bodily awareness?
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Zen Arado: I got that initially from MBSR bodyscan
    Zen Arado: mindfulness based stress reduction
    Wol Euler nods
    Zen Arado: and book I read lately
    Solobill Laville: Well, that is a truism
    Zen Arado: about
    Zen Arado: Touching Enlightenment with the body
    Agatha Macbeth: What exactly is MSBR Zen?
    Solobill Laville: zen - there are also schools (most of them actually) that integrate body practices with meditation
    arabella Ella: yes could you describe how it happens Zen please?
    Liza Deischer: hi Aiden
    Zen Arado: body scan is just visualising each part of your body mindfully
    Wol Euler: hello aiden
    Zen Arado: giving each part full attention
    Zen Arado: Hi Aiden
    Aidan Spiritor: Hello
    Solobill Laville: If I may add to that Zen
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello there Aiden
    Zen Arado: go ahead
    Zen Arado: Solo
    arabella Ella: Hiya Aiden
    Solobill Laville: Body scan meditation also helps to alleviate tightness / pain when in meditation
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Aiden
    Aidan Spiritor: Hiyak
    Solobill Laville: with the breath
    Aidan Spiritor: Hiya
    arabella Ella: how lovely that sounds Solo
    Solobill Laville: It also helps to practice placing your center "not in your head"
    Zen Arado: yes visualizing the breath flowing to each part helps too
    Agatha Macbeth: Where is the centre then Solo?
    Liza Deischer: ore using beathing as a meditation oject
    Solobill Laville: tanchen - in Korean
    Solobill Laville: Just below the navel
    Zen Arado: it was developed by guy called Kabat Zinn in Boston
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah right
    Wol Euler: aaah, that name rings bells
    Zen Arado: adapted from Zrn
    Wol Euler: so to speak
    Zen Arado: Zen
    Solobill Laville: Oh, I think it is much older than Zinn, but I'm sure he customized it a bit :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Zen Arado: oh yes
    Zen Arado: he saw how it could be useful fro patients
    Zen Arado: who might not like the religious connotations
    Solobill Laville: But, to me, the main point is that it help to break away our certainty that our mind is our brain
    Liza Deischer: but everybody thinks they found out the new thing
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes Sol :)
    Zen Arado: Zinn was a Zen practitioner for a long time himself
    Solobill Laville: I'd recommend everyone to try it out - lay on your back and work your way up in you mind from your toest to the top of your head
    Solobill Laville: slowly
    Agatha Macbeth: So many people confuse the two
    Solobill Laville: (not now, of course ;)
    Wol Euler: let's do that right now!
    Wol Euler: heheheheheheh
    Solobill Laville: ha!
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler: ah,wonderful.
    Solobill Laville: jinx ;)
    Agatha Macbeth: (I can't type lying on my back)
    Solobill Laville: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Mindfulness based approaches are making great strides into academic clinical settings like drug addiction treatment. Studies show favorable comparisons with cognitive behavioral techniques
    Zen Arado: there is a good guided bodyscan you can download
    Zen Arado: http://www.archive.org/details/MCull...ScanMeditation
    Zen Arado: free too
    Solobill Laville: Great piont, Cal!
    Agatha Macbeth: TY Zen :)
    Solobill Laville: And research is backing up the practical benefits
    Zen Arado: yes there are many scientific papers about it
    Wol Euler: thanks zen, that's very good
    arabella Ella: thanks zen :)
    Zen Arado: articles about it
    Zen Arado: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...igion-buddhism
    Zen Arado: phenom is on right?
    Zen Arado: better go
    arabella Ella: nite Zen!
    Solobill Laville: Bye phenomoners
    Zen Arado: bye:)
    Wol Euler: bye zen, enjoy
    Liza Deischer: bye Zen
    Aidan Spiritor: Bye Zen
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm on that train and it's leaving :) bye
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Zen
    Wol Euler: bye cal
    Liza Deischer: bye Cal
    Agatha Macbeth: U2 Cal
    Solobill Laville: hello Aidan
    Aidan Spiritor: Hello..
    Aidan Spiritor: nice to meet you..
    Solobill Laville: You as well :)
    Aidan Spiritor: Endless patience from your BIO..what does it mean?
    Wol Euler: wb mick
    arabella Ella: wb Mick
    Liza Deischer: wb mick
    Agatha Macbeth: Hey Mick
    Aidan Spiritor: hey Mick..
    Solobill Laville: It is a quote from an old Korean zen master...really, it means patience is a virtue
    Aidan Spiritor: thx
    Solobill Laville: And needs to be cultivated
    Aidan Spiritor: But slowly. :-)
    Mickorod Renard: have to go,,sorrt
    Mickorod Renard: y
    Liza Deischer: bye Mick
    Aidan Spiritor: by
    Solobill Laville: bye mick
    Wol Euler: indecisive as a cat :)
    Agatha Macbeth: G'night Mick
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    arabella Ella: i must go too
    arabella Ella: nite everyone!
    Wol Euler: 'night ara, take care
    Agatha Macbeth: Sleep well Ara
    Solobill Laville: Night, Ara
    Aidan Spiritor: Hello Lisa, I was concerned you may have been upset with our last session...we OK?
    Liza Deischer: nite ara
    Aidan Spiritor: BYE era
    Liza Deischer: yes, why shoul I be upset, can't remember
    Aidan Spiritor: Nice to hear,
    Aidan Spiritor: Nice to be with you again..
    Solobill Laville: Either way, that is very thoughtful of Aidan
    Solobill Laville: nice to see it! :)
    Liza Deischer: it is
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Aidan Spiritor: We had discussed anger..
    Liza Deischer: thanks Aiden :-)
    Liza Deischer: yes, that was a good discussion
    Aidan Spiritor: yes I appreciated it..
    Liza Deischer: so did I
    Aidan Spiritor: nice to hear..
    Aidan Spiritor: Does anyone have a pressing question or issue?
    Solobill Laville: :) We may be winding down actually, been here for over an hour, but I'm game for a bit more :)
    Aidan Spiritor: Me too..
    Solobill Laville: looks like it's up to you Aidan :)
    Aidan Spiritor: Does the subject of marriage interest us?
    Agatha Macbeth: Huh?
    Agatha Macbeth: Where did *that* come from?
    Aidan Spiritor: Marriage as a question..
    Wol Euler: as individuals or as meditators or ... ?
    Wol Euler: I'm not sure what the question *is* Aiden.
    Agatha Macbeth: (Neither is Ade by the looks of it)
    Aidan Spiritor: Well, when things go wrong and our worlds fall apart, as happens in divorce for example the question of whether marriage makes any sense arises. It also raises questions about how practice could help..
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see....
    Agatha Macbeth: Not my subject I'm afraid ;)
    Solobill Laville: Two very different angles on that I think
    Aidan Spiritor: OK, just experimenting..
    Wol Euler: yes, there are many questions in that topic
    Solobill Laville: 1) marriage, 2) practice
    Solobill Laville: but, if, for example, meditation can reduce stress
    Solobill Laville: of course it would help in terms of stress in difficult times and situations
    Solobill Laville: other practices as well
    Solobill Laville: the quiet morning cup of tea, for example
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Aidan Spiritor: The groundlessnes evoked wien nmarriage doesn't work is fertile ground for practice, for example..
    Wol Euler: the not-having-that-last-martini-before-bed
    Solobill Laville: :))
    Solobill Laville: I think 2009 has been a good test of that theory for many people
    Solobill Laville: (notice how I stay away from the 'marriage' topic...)
    Solobill Laville: ;)
    Aidan Spiritor: Pema Chiodrin for example used as an opportunity to begin training as a bhodisatva..
    Aidan Spiritor: Chodron
    Solobill Laville: yes, but that is a specific instance that, in my opinion, would be hard to make a generalization from
    Aidan Spiritor: Marriage is on my mind because I have two daughters going through divorces currently..
    Solobill Laville: in terms of validity of marriage as a social construct
    Solobill Laville: Wow, sorry to hear that Aidan
    Wol Euler: that's hard, aiden.
    Wol Euler: *aidan, sorry
    Aidan Spiritor: Great opportunity to practice..Challenge is in helping loved ones deal with the pain of attachment..
    Solobill Laville: Yes, that may be for time to heal
    Aidan Spiritor: it presents an opportunity to examine the difference between love and attachment.
    Solobill Laville: Though I am sure as a father you want to help as much as you can (speaking as a father)
    Liza Deischer: sorry to hear Aiden (a bit slow)
    Aidan Spiritor: Yes, and fortunately my daughters are inviting my help. In a sense it is a great opportunity to get closer..
    Solobill Laville: Wow, that is wonderful in any case, Aidan
    Solobill Laville: Hello, Fael :)
    Wol Euler: hello fael
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Fael :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Long time no see :)
    Liza Deischer: hi Fael
    Fael Illyar: Hi Everyone :)
    Aidan Spiritor: which leads to an interesting topic...possibly?
    Wol Euler: mmmm?
    Aidan Spiritor: when is it love and when is it attachment?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi fael
    Fael Illyar: hmmh... it can be both.
    Aidan Spiritor: I believe one leads to pain and the other may not..
    Fael Illyar: I'd say attachment is what causes fear.
    Aidan Spiritor: Agree..
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes indeed
    Agatha Macbeth: Or lack of it....
    Liza Deischer: there is a tricky thing here, I think
    Aidan Spiritor: More anger associated with attachment...
    Liza Deischer: because the love for familymembers, especially kids is deep and wide
    Liza Deischer: but yet covered with attachement
    Solobill Laville: Very true
    Aidan Spiritor: So is it possible to love unconditionally and without attachment?
    Solobill Laville: And, I want to tread lightly here, but there will always be pain
    Solobill Laville: Aidan - I believe so
    Solobill Laville: But, "it ain't easy"!
    Liza Deischer: yes, but that is not 'attached' to love-ones
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Fael Illyar: sure ain't easy :)
    Agatha Macbeth: It never is easy! :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Such is life...
    Aidan Spiritor: I sense many warm hearts around the circle..
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmmm. Indeed
    Aidan Spiritor: Much loving kindness..nice to see and share..
    Agatha Macbeth: Sure is!
    Agatha Macbeth: (Birds of a feather and all that)
    Solobill Laville: There is, I think, a love that can flow through you, if you step out of its way, but the trick is to let it be, and let it go, and simply appreciate
    Aidan Spiritor: Not much attachment in this forum..?
    Solobill Laville: Plenty, I'd bet (just speaking for myself) ;)
    Agatha Macbeth: Depends what you mean by attatchment :)
    Wol Euler: I'm sure we all struggle as much as anyone else, individually
    Aidan Spiritor: May be part of what makes it a safe place?
    Liza Deischer: I agree Solo
    Wol Euler: but we try to be open and accepting and generous
    Fael Illyar: Plent, yep :)
    Fael Illyar: but then... it's all relative :)
    Agatha Macbeth: (Try)
    Wol Euler: (sounds a bit like a cult)
    Fael Illyar: what's the comparison point?
    Agatha Macbeth: Who's a cult?
    Aidan Spiritor: cu;t?
    Aidan Spiritor: *cult
    Agatha Macbeth: Behave Ade!
    Wol Euler: pure intellectual debate groups, where rudeness is on the program
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll do the jokes!
    Aidan Spiritor: Please start the jokes now...
    Fael Illyar: meep?
    Agatha Macbeth: Rudeness Wol? *gasp*
    Wol Euler: a rabbi and a zen buddhist met at the bar
    Solobill Laville raises an eyebrow
    Agatha Macbeth: holds up her hands in mock horror
    Wol Euler laughs and waves it away
    Solobill Laville: rats
    Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't that a musical?
    Aidan Spiritor: so when will the jokes begin?? :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh no, that was Cats
    Solobill Laville: Rats? yes, very famous
    Wol Euler: the king and oy?
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: Oy vay?
    Solobill Laville: Alas, friends, I must be off I think
    Aidan Spiritor: Say the following quickly..
    Liza Deischer: bye Solo
    Agatha Macbeth: I thought it was the cat :)
    Wol Euler: yes, the witching hour approaches
    Liza Deischer: this isn't a joke
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Fael Illyar: Have fun Solo :)
    Wol Euler: bye solo, take care, enjoy your weeke3nd
    Agatha Macbeth: Woohoo
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bill
    Liza Deischer: but there is something weird goinh on on the other side of the well
    Solobill Laville: Goodbye all! :)
    Aidan Spiritor: Abox of biscuits, a box of mixed biscuits and a biscuit mixer...
    Liza Deischer: if it wasn't for Agatha's long hair
    Aidan Spiritor: A box..
    Liza Deischer: and Wol's eyeglasses....
    Aidan Spiritor: Bye..
    Liza Deischer: and there is also a similarity
    Agatha Macbeth: Eye eye!
    Liza Deischer: between Agatha and Fael
    Agatha Macbeth: really?
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Must be the eye colour
    Liza Deischer: if it is nogt already to late and my eyes are fooling me
    Liza Deischer: i think so :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Nawwwww, it's you Liza :)
    Aidan Spiritor: got to go...thanks for having me..
    Liza Deischer: bye Aiden
    Agatha Macbeth: In a manner of speaking...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye aiden
    Liza Deischer: I'm going too
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye ade
    Wol Euler: bye aidan, take care, and give our love and encouragement toyour daughters
    Agatha Macbeth: To't ziens Liz
    Wol Euler: bye liza, enjoy the weekend
    Liza Deischer: I notice some Dutch
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: aggers is showing off again
    Agatha Macbeth: About all I know!
    Agatha Macbeth: Show off? Moi?
    Liza Deischer: bye
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Wol Euler: bye yaku, sleep well
    Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut Yaku
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Wol Euler laughs
    Wol Euler: I shall find some Afghani and Kiribatian SL'ers for you, Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: say what?
    Wol Euler: exactly :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
    Agatha Macbeth: 42
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Wol Euler: in Afghan, please
    Agatha Macbeth: 24
    Wol Euler: right
    Agatha Macbeth: left
    Fael Illyar: afghan?
    Agatha Macbeth: Coat?
    Wol Euler: hound
    Agatha Macbeth: Stop confusing poor Fael :)
    Wol Euler: sorry
    Fael Illyar giggles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Well just us girls left then :)
    Agatha Macbeth: What shall we talk about?
    Fael Illyar: we can meep :)
    Wol Euler: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
    Agatha Macbeth: OK
    Fael Illyar giggles.
    Wol Euler: pity that won't come across properly in the log
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmmm
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't you fix that?
    Fael Illyar: yep :)
    Fael Illyar: sounds doesn't quite come through the log, no matter what
    Wol Euler: I suppose we could export the soundfile and attach it to the wiki page
    Agatha Macbeth: Could be
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Why did you say you felt drunk Fael?
    Fael Illyar: Just feels like that.. not the kind of drunk from alcohol though. It's different
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, spiritually drunk then?
    Agatha Macbeth: Or virtually?
    Fael Illyar: more like spritually :)
    Agatha Macbeth: By the way what is the command to change the colour of my wings again?
    Agatha Macbeth: Say something?
    Fael Illyar: they give a help text when you wear them :)
    Fael Illyar: but it's /6menu
    Agatha Macbeth: That's it!
    Agatha Macbeth: TY :)
    Fael Illyar: the flower works by clicking it :)
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Got it!
    Agatha Macbeth: Better!
    Fael Illyar: I've been facebooking a lot today :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh?
    Fael Illyar: very unusual for me :P
    Wol Euler: I hadn't noticed...
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Fael Illyar: the "drunk" might be a result of doing something very unusual for me.
    Fael Illyar: even submerging into it
    Agatha Macbeth: ????
    Fael Illyar: I wonder how to explain it...
    Fael Illyar: in a way I've been very active today reaching out to other people myself... especially people I don't know.
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm? How so?
    Wol Euler: ah, right, I remember now :)
    Fael Illyar: I ended up responding to one facebook tangential friend's request for help in a facebook game and you kind of need to socialize to get anywhere in it
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Wol Euler: I always do poorly at such games. My SIMS characters were always stuck in entry-level jobs
    Wol Euler: but had really high happiness nonetheless :)
    Fael Illyar: this game is an achievers dream... can't lose, really :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Try Animal Crossing :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hee hee
    Agatha Macbeth: What actually is Facebook?
    Fael Illyar: it's ... facebook :)
    Agatha Macbeth: That helps :)
    Wol Euler: hehehehe
    Fael Illyar: can't summarize really
    Agatha Macbeth: Not
    Wol Euler: an undeniably true answer
    Agatha Macbeth: is it like MySpace?
    Fael Illyar: I can tell you what it got started from :P
    Wol Euler: it is the most facebook-like facebook that I know
    Agatha Macbeth: Tell Fael tell!
    Fael Illyar: initially facebook was simply a webpage where students of certain university could go post their pictures and some information about themselves.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Fael Illyar: Now... it's global and...
    Fael Illyar: well, you can add people as friends, leave writings that your friends can see and such
    Wol Euler: and play games
    Fael Illyar: keep a photo album
    Fael Illyar: yes, play games too
    Agatha Macbeth: Interesting
    Wol Euler: and post links to stuff outside FB that you want people to see
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Fael Illyar: make groups and invite people in
    Wol Euler: Bands use it to keep their fans informed
    Wol Euler: as do politicians
    Wol Euler: and political or social action groups
    Agatha Macbeth: Politicians keep people informed?
    Wol Euler: well, for certain values of "information"
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Coincidentally a friend of mine mentioned it just yesterday...
    Fael Illyar: it's basically quite a mess of information
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good
    Fael Illyar: some people are quite vocal about what they're doing there
    Agatha Macbeth: I see
    Fael Illyar: it's pretty effective for social networking... as long as you're not shy :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I am :)
    Agatha Macbeth: *Very*
    Wol Euler chortles
    Fael Illyar: if you're shy, you're unlikely to do anything but "lurk" ... as in, read what others write and speak about.
    Wol Euler: which is also fine, probably 75% of FB users are lurker
    Wol Euler: *lurkers
    Agatha Macbeth: That's not so bad
    Fael Illyar: yep, most are
    Agatha Macbeth: at least you learn
    Fael Illyar: I actually got over something with this game :P
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    Fael Illyar: I got over the mental obstacle I had over sending out a shout that'd be seen by everyone on my friends list on facebook :P
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Fael Illyar: over something in a game :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Your English is really good Fael
    Agatha Macbeth: Where did you learn?
    Fael Illyar: internet :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Wol Euler: ask her where she learned japanese
    Fael Illyar: ok, seriously, I read a lot of fantasy books
    Agatha Macbeth: Where did you learn Japanese?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Fael Illyar: umm... kind of similar but I added a dictionary to the mix :P
    Agatha Macbeth: I love Japan
    Fael Illyar: as in, I took one year course in university of Japanese and then decided a course doesn't suit me.
    Fael Illyar: I dived into reading real Japanese text right after the course
    Fael Illyar: with a dictionary to look up any words I couldn't read
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Wol Euler: yeah
    Agatha Macbeth: I find 'wa'and 'ga' very confusing
    Fael Illyar: they took me a while :)
    Agatha Macbeth: One marks the topic and one the subject, yes?
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Wol Euler: what have I started?!
    Fael Illyar: nothing that simply explainable :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm, thought so :(
    Fael Illyar: I haven't met anyone who could really explain it... :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Even a Japanese person?
    Fael Illyar: you get a feel for it from reading a lot
    Agatha Macbeth: I guess
    Wol Euler: they probably aren't allowed to. "I could tell you that, but then I'd have to kill myself."
    Fael Illyar: to explain that, you'd need to understand both English and Japanese grammar to a quite a degree.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hara Kiri
    Fael Illyar: since it has to make sense to someone who knows English :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Er, I do :)
    Agatha Macbeth: (I think)
    Agatha Macbeth: What a wonderful thing language is
    Fael Illyar: yep :)
    Fael Illyar: English thought structures and organization just doesn't match Japanese too well to allow for easy learning either way :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes. whole other culture
    Agatha Macbeth: It always amazes me
    Fael Illyar: but we're excluding Wol with this :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Have you evr TRIED excluding Wol?
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Not easy
    Wol Euler: :-PPPPPP
    Fael Illyar: not forceful exclusion :)
    Agatha Macbeth: She takes over anyway :)
    Fael Illyar: only works if she's too shy to butt in :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Shy?
    Agatha Macbeth: giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: (Oi)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Wol Euler points to the recorder.
    Fael Illyar meeps the recorder off.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello recorder
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