2010.01.08 13:00 - hello recorder

The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend bert
Bertram Jacobus: hey yaku ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: do you see your IM ? ... ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: hello solobill ... :-)
Solobill Laville: Hello, Bertrun, Yak! :)
Bertram Jacobus: yak seems to be absent ... ;-)
--BELL--
Solobill Laville: Ah, ok
Yakuzza Lethecus: good evening :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: or day
Bertram Jacobus: i see, you are member of kira cafe - so you know this place, too solo ? :-)
Liza Deischer: hi all
Solobill Laville: Yes
Solobill Laville: Hi, Liza
Bertram Jacobus: hi liza :-)
Bertram Jacobus: and you were already asked for your permission to record the chat here i guess solo ?
Solobill Laville: Indeed
Yakuzza Lethecus: solo was here pretty often when i remember right
Solobill Laville: I'm all good
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Bertram Jacobus: sry - we didn´t meet before ... :-)
Solobill Laville: No worries!
Bertram Jacobus: ty ! :-))
Yakuzza Lethecus: anyone got something in mind today ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: or is everyone perfectly fine in dropping all thoughts while sitting around a dwell :)
Bertram Jacobus: so much ... and nothing (important) ... (?) :o)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
Solobill Laville: I was just hoping to listen in mostly :)
Liza Deischer: you seem to keep onlanding on my lap
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya, Solobill!!
Solobill Laville: Hello, Eliza :)
Bertram Jacobus: hello eliza ! ... :-)
Liza Deischer: hi eliza
Yakuzza Lethecus: usually thats my thoguht too solo :)
Eliza Madrigal: So nice to see you, bill, asked about you at ZR the other day and hope all is well
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Liza, apologies :))
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bert
Liza Deischer: np
Solobill Laville: thanks, it is, you?
Liza Deischer: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Very well, thanks
Solobill Laville: :)
Bertram Jacobus: i´m thinkin about how it´ll be at the retraet - one week mostly talk english - whether i´ll stand that ... ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: hey zon ! ... :-)
Liza Deischer: hi Zon
Zon Quar: heya
Solobill Laville: Hi, Zon
Bertram Jacobus: (because yaku asked)
Eliza Madrigal: Hey Zon :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure you'll manage fine, Bert
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi zon
Liza Deischer: it only makes you tired :-)
Bertram Jacobus: right liza - whereas "only" (?) ... hmmm ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: over all - i´m curious how it´ll be ... ;-)
Liza Deischer: well, because we talk here about talking english
Liza Deischer: thinking and speaking english all day long make you tired
Bertram Jacobus: hello aubergine ... :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aubergine
Liza Deischer: but I admit, that I dont understand your part about being able to stand it
Bertram Jacobus: yes. but i try to prepare a bit - use voice chat now in sl with english talkin people ... ;-)
Liza Deischer: and as I am well informed, there are more Germans around
Solobill Laville: Hello, Aubergine
Zon Quar: hi A
Liza Deischer: I've been on an english course once
Liza Deischer: thought it might be a problem
Liza Deischer: it wasn't really
Bertram Jacobus: only a few and i may find it astonishing liza and so - may be i don´t can manage it to follow the discussions all time long -
Liza Deischer: I had to speak and listen to English for over a week
Bertram Jacobus: because - i feel again and again understanding problems ...
Bertram Jacobus: hi storm :-)
Liza Deischer: hi Sorm
Solobill Laville: Hi, Storm
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey newcomers
Zon Quar: Storm
Storm Nordwind: Hi. Not stopping long. Just thought I'd say hi. :)
Aubergine Mint: hi storm
Agatha Macbeth: Hi all
Liza Deischer: well, it is tiring, and the more tired you get, the more difficult it gets
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
Liza Deischer: that's true
Aubergine Mint: hi agatha
Eliza Madrigal: Hey Storm :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Liza :)
Liza Deischer: hi Agatha
Bertram Jacobus: hi agatha :-)
Liza Deischer: hi Aubergine
Solobill Laville: Hello, Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Heya Berti
Zon Quar: Agatha
Liza Deischer: (i knew I missed someone()
Aubergine Mint: :)
Liza Deischer: but I found out that most of the time, things are repeated in one or other way
Liza Deischer: that helped me
Bertram Jacobus: that´s right liza, agree ...
Bertram Jacobus: and nice thought, finding, idea ;-)
--BELL--
Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I'm late
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Wol :)
Liza Deischer: hi Ara, Wol
arabella Ella: Hiya everyone
Aubergine Mint: hi Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ara
Bertram Jacobus: hi wol np ! ;o)
Zon Quar: wol
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol, Ara
Zon Quar: ara
Solobill Laville: Hello, Ms. Euler :)
Wol Euler: Good evening, Mr. Laville, always a pleasure to see you.
Solobill Laville bows
Storm Nordwind wipes his brow - "some more snow cleared" - and bids farewell
Wol Euler: good work, storm, thank you!
Solobill Laville: Bye, Storm!
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks STorm! :))
Agatha Macbeth: Top job Stormy!
Eliza Madrigal: sorry to pop away so soon... nice to see you all... distractions here :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, bye Eliza :(
Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
arabella Ella: bye Storm bye Eliza
Liza Deischer: I thought I saw you with a hamer
Bertram Jacobus: hellloo mick ... :-)
Liza Deischer: hi Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Howdy Mick :)
arabella Ella: Hiya Mick
Liza Deischer: I'm glad you lke it
Aubergine Mint: hey Mick
Zon Quar: Mick
Wol Euler: hello mick
Solobill Laville: Hi, Mick, and Ara (sorry I missed you)
Mickorod Renard: Hi everyone
arabella Ella: Hiya Solo!
arabella Ella: Havent seen u in ages
Mickorod Renard: Hi solo,,are you well?
Solobill Laville smiles
Solobill Laville: Yes, fine, thanks, just RL busy
Liza Deischer: Wol, I see your are already anicipating the first sunshine :-)
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: they are part of the outfit, actually.
Liza Deischer: ah, okay
Wol Euler: but yes, it has snowed for long enough.
Liza Deischer: :-)
Bertram Jacobus: helllo cal ;-)
Liza Deischer: hi Cal
Wol Euler: hello calvino
Zon Quar: cal
Mickorod Renard: Hi Cal
arabella Ella: Hiya Calvino!
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal
Calvino Rabeni: Hello good day all
Aubergine Mint: hi Cal
Bertram Jacobus: interesting : not two greetings are same ... ;-)
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Variety is the spice of life ;)
Bertram Jacobus: oh. i failed mick and agathas
Liza Deischer: and we've got it here
Agatha Macbeth: Failed Mick and Agatha's what?
Agatha Macbeth: Written test?
Solobill Laville: Greetings, I think
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: You didn't fail at all Berti :)
Bertram Jacobus: ("varieté" in german means vaudeville) ... ;o)
Agatha Macbeth: In that case...
Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
Wol Euler laughs.
Solobill Laville: :)
--BELL--
arabella Ella: :)
arabella Ella: he he
Agatha Macbeth: stop
arabella Ella feels so out of breath ...
Agatha Macbeth: Send in the clowns :)
Bertram Jacobus: the friday tradition ... :o)
arabella Ella: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Hee hee
Bertram Jacobus: what do we like more ? onigokko or silence ? ... :o)
Bertram Jacobus: onigokko
Wol Euler: both and
arabella Ella: onigokko :)
Bertram Jacobus: hehe ara :-)
Bertram Jacobus: and wol ? :-)
Bertram Jacobus: stop
Agatha Macbeth: Beats the hell out of silence
Wol Euler: both have their delights
Solobill Laville had to look through his inventory, it's been a while...
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Bertram Jacobus: but agatha - why didn´t i fail ? i stated, that not two greetings had been same. but yours and micks were
Solobill Laville: (oops, I got it wrong then)
Agatha Macbeth: I'll dock you half a point then
Solobill Laville: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Or half a pint :)
Wol Euler: :)
Solobill Laville: (thanks, Bertram, I found it)
Bertram Jacobus: ok solo
Agatha Macbeth: Silence is golden....
Solobill Laville: So, who here engages in any of the PaB practices?
Wol Euler grins
Solobill Laville looks around
Wol Euler: hands up?
Aubergine Mint: don't we all?
Wol Euler: that's the question :)
Solobill Laville: Just asking
Agatha Macbeth: Evidently not :)
Wol Euler: coming here is not actually a practice as such ...
Solobill Laville: :)
Solobill Laville: Right, and I meant outside of coming here
Agatha Macbeth: Practice makes perfect
Aubergine Mint: so what is coming here?
Wol Euler: hello zen
Solobill Laville: Coming here :)
Liza Deischer: hi Zen
Zon Quar: zen
Zen Arado: Hi all
Solobill Laville: Hi, Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Top o' the evening to ya Zen
arabella Ella: Hiya Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Nice shirt Zen
Bertram Jacobus: helllo zen :-)
Wol Euler: Zen, for the record: Solo just asked whether anyone present does the PaB practices. Do you?
Zen Arado: thanks:)
Solobill Laville: (for the record, I did for quite some time)
Zen Arado: not specifically at every 15 mins
Mickorod Renard: hi zen
Liza Deischer: Well, I have my own practice, that includs PaB practice in a way
Zen Arado: but I work a lot with trying to be present
Wol Euler: no, the 15 mins is a necessary part
arabella Ella: past tense Solo?
Aubergine Mint: why is the 15 mins a necessary part?
Wol Euler: is isn't, that's just a recommendation.
Solobill Laville: For me yes, past tense, but there is a lot of overlap, for example Zen's comment about trying to "be present"
Wol Euler: I don't do them nearly that often, hardly once an hour on a good day
Zen Arado: I am working with trying to be more with my body at the moment
Wol Euler: because the rigid timetable doesn't suit the way I like to work
Zen Arado: getting out of my mind
Zon Quar: gtg, c u
Wol Euler: bye zon
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Zon
Liza Deischer: byeZon
Zen Arado: yes every 15mins is too rigid for me
Mickorod Renard: bye zon
Zen Arado: bye Zon
Liza Deischer: It is hard in daily life
Liza Deischer: where there are so much distractions
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Liza Deischer: and things that you (think you need) to do
Wol Euler: oh, I see! sorry, I mistyped. There shold have been a NOT in that sentence. Sorry :(
--BELL--
Liza Deischer: but being aware as much as possible, does help a lot
Solobill Laville nods
Zen Arado: I am trying to sense this 'inner body as a single field of energy' as Tolle puts it
Solobill Laville: I am a bit of a "practice freak", in that to me anyway, discipline and regularity are vital
Solobill Laville: Sounds great, Zen, how is it going??
Zen Arado: works a little
Zen Arado: can feel.....something
Zen Arado: warmth
Zen Arado: takes a lot of practice
Zen Arado: and I want this body awareness to be there all the time
Aubergine Mint: bye everyone :)
Liza Deischer: 'want'
Wol Euler: bye aubergine, take care
arabella Ella: bye Aubergine
Liza Deischer: bye Aubergine
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Minty
Solobill Laville: Bye
Zen Arado: be able to sense people at this level instead of mentally
Bertram Jacobus: bye aubergine
Zen Arado: bye Aubergine
Zen Arado: make any sense?
Solobill Laville: Indeed
Wol Euler: yep
Liza Deischer: yes it doe
Liza Deischer: does
Zen Arado: thought this was mumbo jumbo not so long ago :)
Solobill Laville: What? Not with a first name lilke Zen! ;)
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Zat's it Zen
Bertram Jacobus: ty and cu later ladies and gentlemen ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: cu
Wol Euler: bye bert, schlaf gut
Solobill Laville: Bye, Bert
Agatha Macbeth: Byeeeeee Berti
Zen Arado: find Zen teaches me to stand back from thoughts
arabella Ella: guten nacht bertram
Liza Deischer: bye Bet
Zen Arado: bye Bert
Zen Arado: but not much emphasis on body awareness
Solobill Laville: Ah, depends on the school of Zen
Zen Arado: but I am prob wrong
arabella Ella: perhaps on virtual bodily awareness?
Solobill Laville: :)
Zen Arado: I got that initially from MBSR bodyscan
Zen Arado: mindfulness based stress reduction
Wol Euler nods
Zen Arado: and book I read lately
Solobill Laville: Well, that is a truism
Zen Arado: about
Zen Arado: Touching Enlightenment with the body
Agatha Macbeth: What exactly is MSBR Zen?
Solobill Laville: zen - there are also schools (most of them actually) that integrate body practices with meditation
arabella Ella: yes could you describe how it happens Zen please?
Liza Deischer: hi Aiden
Zen Arado: body scan is just visualising each part of your body mindfully
Wol Euler: hello aiden
Zen Arado: giving each part full attention
Zen Arado: Hi Aiden
Aidan Spiritor: Hello
Solobill Laville: If I may add to that Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Hello there Aiden
Zen Arado: go ahead
Zen Arado: Solo
arabella Ella: Hiya Aiden
Solobill Laville: Body scan meditation also helps to alleviate tightness / pain when in meditation
Mickorod Renard: Hi Aiden
Aidan Spiritor: Hiyak
Solobill Laville: with the breath
Aidan Spiritor: Hiya
arabella Ella: how lovely that sounds Solo
Solobill Laville: It also helps to practice placing your center "not in your head"
Zen Arado: yes visualizing the breath flowing to each part helps too
Agatha Macbeth: Where is the centre then Solo?
Liza Deischer: ore using beathing as a meditation oject
Solobill Laville: tanchen - in Korean
Solobill Laville: Just below the navel
Zen Arado: it was developed by guy called Kabat Zinn in Boston
Agatha Macbeth: Ah right
Wol Euler: aaah, that name rings bells
Zen Arado: adapted from Zrn
Wol Euler: so to speak
Zen Arado: Zen
Solobill Laville: Oh, I think it is much older than Zinn, but I'm sure he customized it a bit :)
Wol Euler: :)
Zen Arado: oh yes
Zen Arado: he saw how it could be useful fro patients
Zen Arado: who might not like the religious connotations
Solobill Laville: But, to me, the main point is that it help to break away our certainty that our mind is our brain
Liza Deischer: but everybody thinks they found out the new thing
Agatha Macbeth: Yes Sol :)
Zen Arado: Zinn was a Zen practitioner for a long time himself
Solobill Laville: I'd recommend everyone to try it out - lay on your back and work your way up in you mind from your toest to the top of your head
--BELL--
Solobill Laville: slowly
Agatha Macbeth: So many people confuse the two
Solobill Laville: (not now, of course ;)
Wol Euler: let's do that right now!
Wol Euler: heheheheheheh
Solobill Laville: ha!
Agatha Macbeth: :)
arabella Ella: :)
Wol Euler: ah,wonderful.
Solobill Laville: jinx ;)
Agatha Macbeth: (I can't type lying on my back)
Solobill Laville: lol
Agatha Macbeth: ;)
Calvino Rabeni: Mindfulness based approaches are making great strides into academic clinical settings like drug addiction treatment. Studies show favorable comparisons with cognitive behavioral techniques
Zen Arado: there is a good guided bodyscan you can download
Zen Arado: http://www.archive.org/details/MCull...ScanMeditation
Zen Arado: free too
Solobill Laville: Great piont, Cal!
Agatha Macbeth: TY Zen :)
Solobill Laville: And research is backing up the practical benefits
Zen Arado: yes there are many scientific papers about it
Wol Euler: thanks zen, that's very good
arabella Ella: thanks zen :)
Zen Arado: articles about it
Zen Arado: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...igion-buddhism
Zen Arado: phenom is on right?
Zen Arado: better go
arabella Ella: nite Zen!
Solobill Laville: Bye phenomoners
Zen Arado: bye:)
Wol Euler: bye zen, enjoy
Liza Deischer: bye Zen
Aidan Spiritor: Bye Zen
Calvino Rabeni: I'm on that train and it's leaving :) bye
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Zen
Wol Euler: bye cal
Liza Deischer: bye Cal
Agatha Macbeth: U2 Cal
Solobill Laville: hello Aidan
Aidan Spiritor: Hello..
Aidan Spiritor: nice to meet you..
Solobill Laville: You as well :)
Aidan Spiritor: Endless patience from your BIO..what does it mean?
Wol Euler: wb mick
arabella Ella: wb Mick
Liza Deischer: wb mick
Agatha Macbeth: Hey Mick
Aidan Spiritor: hey Mick..
Solobill Laville: It is a quote from an old Korean zen master...really, it means patience is a virtue
Aidan Spiritor: thx
Solobill Laville: And needs to be cultivated
Aidan Spiritor: But slowly. :-)
Mickorod Renard: have to go,,sorrt
Mickorod Renard: y
Liza Deischer: bye Mick
Aidan Spiritor: by
Solobill Laville: bye mick
Wol Euler: indecisive as a cat :)
Agatha Macbeth: G'night Mick
Liza Deischer: :-)
arabella Ella: i must go too
arabella Ella: nite everyone!
Wol Euler: 'night ara, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Sleep well Ara
Solobill Laville: Night, Ara
Aidan Spiritor: Hello Lisa, I was concerned you may have been upset with our last session...we OK?
Liza Deischer: nite ara
Aidan Spiritor: BYE era
Liza Deischer: yes, why shoul I be upset, can't remember
Aidan Spiritor: Nice to hear,
Aidan Spiritor: Nice to be with you again..
Solobill Laville: Either way, that is very thoughtful of Aidan
Solobill Laville: nice to see it! :)
Liza Deischer: it is
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Aidan Spiritor: We had discussed anger..
Liza Deischer: thanks Aiden :-)
Liza Deischer: yes, that was a good discussion
Aidan Spiritor: yes I appreciated it..
Liza Deischer: so did I
Aidan Spiritor: nice to hear..
Aidan Spiritor: Does anyone have a pressing question or issue?
Solobill Laville: :) We may be winding down actually, been here for over an hour, but I'm game for a bit more :)
Aidan Spiritor: Me too..
--BELL--
Solobill Laville: looks like it's up to you Aidan :)
Aidan Spiritor: Does the subject of marriage interest us?
Agatha Macbeth: Huh?
Agatha Macbeth: Where did *that* come from?
Aidan Spiritor: Marriage as a question..
Wol Euler: as individuals or as meditators or ... ?
Wol Euler: I'm not sure what the question *is* Aiden.
Agatha Macbeth: (Neither is Ade by the looks of it)
Aidan Spiritor: Well, when things go wrong and our worlds fall apart, as happens in divorce for example the question of whether marriage makes any sense arises. It also raises questions about how practice could help..
Solobill Laville: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see....
Agatha Macbeth: Not my subject I'm afraid ;)
Solobill Laville: Two very different angles on that I think
Aidan Spiritor: OK, just experimenting..
Wol Euler: yes, there are many questions in that topic
Solobill Laville: 1) marriage, 2) practice
Solobill Laville: but, if, for example, meditation can reduce stress
Solobill Laville: of course it would help in terms of stress in difficult times and situations
Solobill Laville: other practices as well
Solobill Laville: the quiet morning cup of tea, for example
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Aidan Spiritor: The groundlessnes evoked wien nmarriage doesn't work is fertile ground for practice, for example..
Wol Euler: the not-having-that-last-martini-before-bed
Solobill Laville: :))
Solobill Laville: I think 2009 has been a good test of that theory for many people
Solobill Laville: (notice how I stay away from the 'marriage' topic...)
Solobill Laville: ;)
Aidan Spiritor: Pema Chiodrin for example used as an opportunity to begin training as a bhodisatva..
Aidan Spiritor: Chodron
Solobill Laville: yes, but that is a specific instance that, in my opinion, would be hard to make a generalization from
Aidan Spiritor: Marriage is on my mind because I have two daughters going through divorces currently..
Solobill Laville: in terms of validity of marriage as a social construct
Solobill Laville: Wow, sorry to hear that Aidan
Wol Euler: that's hard, aiden.
Wol Euler: *aidan, sorry
Aidan Spiritor: Great opportunity to practice..Challenge is in helping loved ones deal with the pain of attachment..
Solobill Laville: Yes, that may be for time to heal
Aidan Spiritor: it presents an opportunity to examine the difference between love and attachment.
Solobill Laville: Though I am sure as a father you want to help as much as you can (speaking as a father)
Liza Deischer: sorry to hear Aiden (a bit slow)
Aidan Spiritor: Yes, and fortunately my daughters are inviting my help. In a sense it is a great opportunity to get closer..
--BELL--
Solobill Laville: Wow, that is wonderful in any case, Aidan
Solobill Laville: Hello, Fael :)
Wol Euler: hello fael
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Fael :)
Agatha Macbeth: Long time no see :)
Liza Deischer: hi Fael
Fael Illyar: Hi Everyone :)
Aidan Spiritor: which leads to an interesting topic...possibly?
Wol Euler: mmmm?
Aidan Spiritor: when is it love and when is it attachment?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi fael
Fael Illyar: hmmh... it can be both.
Aidan Spiritor: I believe one leads to pain and the other may not..
Fael Illyar: I'd say attachment is what causes fear.
Aidan Spiritor: Agree..
Agatha Macbeth: Yes indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Or lack of it....
Liza Deischer: there is a tricky thing here, I think
Aidan Spiritor: More anger associated with attachment...
Liza Deischer: because the love for familymembers, especially kids is deep and wide
Liza Deischer: but yet covered with attachement
Solobill Laville: Very true
Aidan Spiritor: So is it possible to love unconditionally and without attachment?
Solobill Laville: And, I want to tread lightly here, but there will always be pain
Solobill Laville: Aidan - I believe so
Solobill Laville: But, "it ain't easy"!
Liza Deischer: yes, but that is not 'attached' to love-ones
Solobill Laville: :)
Fael Illyar: sure ain't easy :)
Agatha Macbeth: It never is easy! :)
Agatha Macbeth: Such is life...
Aidan Spiritor: I sense many warm hearts around the circle..
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Hmmm. Indeed
Aidan Spiritor: Much loving kindness..nice to see and share..
Agatha Macbeth: Sure is!
Agatha Macbeth: (Birds of a feather and all that)
Solobill Laville: There is, I think, a love that can flow through you, if you step out of its way, but the trick is to let it be, and let it go, and simply appreciate
Aidan Spiritor: Not much attachment in this forum..?
Solobill Laville: Plenty, I'd bet (just speaking for myself) ;)
Agatha Macbeth: Depends what you mean by attatchment :)
Wol Euler: I'm sure we all struggle as much as anyone else, individually
Aidan Spiritor: May be part of what makes it a safe place?
Liza Deischer: I agree Solo
Wol Euler: but we try to be open and accepting and generous
Fael Illyar: Plent, yep :)
Fael Illyar: but then... it's all relative :)
Agatha Macbeth: (Try)
Wol Euler: (sounds a bit like a cult)
Fael Illyar: what's the comparison point?
Agatha Macbeth: Who's a cult?
Aidan Spiritor: cu;t?
Aidan Spiritor: *cult
Agatha Macbeth: Behave Ade!
Wol Euler: pure intellectual debate groups, where rudeness is on the program
Agatha Macbeth: I'll do the jokes!
Aidan Spiritor: Please start the jokes now...
Fael Illyar: meep?
Agatha Macbeth: Rudeness Wol? *gasp*
Wol Euler: a rabbi and a zen buddhist met at the bar
Solobill Laville raises an eyebrow
Agatha Macbeth: holds up her hands in mock horror
Wol Euler laughs and waves it away
Solobill Laville: rats
Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't that a musical?
Aidan Spiritor: so when will the jokes begin?? :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh no, that was Cats
Solobill Laville: Rats? yes, very famous
Wol Euler: the king and oy?
Solobill Laville: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Oy vay?
Solobill Laville: Alas, friends, I must be off I think
Aidan Spiritor: Say the following quickly..
Liza Deischer: bye Solo
Agatha Macbeth: I thought it was the cat :)
Wol Euler: yes, the witching hour approaches
Liza Deischer: this isn't a joke
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fael Illyar: Have fun Solo :)
Wol Euler: bye solo, take care, enjoy your weeke3nd
Agatha Macbeth: Woohoo
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bill
Liza Deischer: but there is something weird goinh on on the other side of the well
Solobill Laville: Goodbye all! :)
Aidan Spiritor: Abox of biscuits, a box of mixed biscuits and a biscuit mixer...
Liza Deischer: if it wasn't for Agatha's long hair
Aidan Spiritor: A box..
Liza Deischer: and Wol's eyeglasses....
Aidan Spiritor: Bye..
Liza Deischer: and there is also a similarity
Agatha Macbeth: Eye eye!
Liza Deischer: between Agatha and Fael
Agatha Macbeth: really?
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Must be the eye colour
Liza Deischer: if it is nogt already to late and my eyes are fooling me
Liza Deischer: i think so :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Nawwwww, it's you Liza :)
Aidan Spiritor: got to go...thanks for having me..
Liza Deischer: bye Aiden
Agatha Macbeth: In a manner of speaking...
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye aiden
Liza Deischer: I'm going too
Agatha Macbeth: Bye ade
Wol Euler: bye aidan, take care, and give our love and encouragement toyour daughters
Agatha Macbeth: To't ziens Liz
Wol Euler: bye liza, enjoy the weekend
Liza Deischer: I notice some Dutch
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: aggers is showing off again
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: About all I know!
Agatha Macbeth: Show off? Moi?
Liza Deischer: bye
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
Wol Euler: bye yaku, sleep well
Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut Yaku
Fael Illyar smiles.
Wol Euler laughs
Wol Euler: I shall find some Afghani and Kiribatian SL'ers for you, Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: say what?
Wol Euler: exactly :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
Agatha Macbeth: 42
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: in Afghan, please
Agatha Macbeth: 24
Wol Euler: right
Agatha Macbeth: left
Fael Illyar: afghan?
Agatha Macbeth: Coat?
Wol Euler: hound
Agatha Macbeth: Stop confusing poor Fael :)
Wol Euler: sorry
Fael Illyar giggles.
Agatha Macbeth: Well just us girls left then :)
Agatha Macbeth: What shall we talk about?
Fael Illyar: we can meep :)
Wol Euler: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Fael Illyar giggles.
Wol Euler: pity that won't come across properly in the log
Agatha Macbeth: Mmmm
Agatha Macbeth: Can't you fix that?
Fael Illyar: yep :)
Fael Illyar: sounds doesn't quite come through the log, no matter what
Wol Euler: I suppose we could export the soundfile and attach it to the wiki page
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: Why did you say you felt drunk Fael?
Fael Illyar: Just feels like that.. not the kind of drunk from alcohol though. It's different
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, spiritually drunk then?
Agatha Macbeth: Or virtually?
Fael Illyar: more like spritually :)
Agatha Macbeth: By the way what is the command to change the colour of my wings again?
Agatha Macbeth: Say something?
Fael Illyar: they give a help text when you wear them :)
Fael Illyar: but it's /6menu
Agatha Macbeth: That's it!
Agatha Macbeth: TY :)
Fael Illyar: the flower works by clicking it :)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Got it!
Agatha Macbeth: Better!
Fael Illyar: I've been facebooking a lot today :P
Agatha Macbeth: Oh?
Fael Illyar: very unusual for me :P
Wol Euler: I hadn't noticed...
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fael Illyar: the "drunk" might be a result of doing something very unusual for me.
Fael Illyar: even submerging into it
Agatha Macbeth: ????
Fael Illyar: I wonder how to explain it...
Fael Illyar: in a way I've been very active today reaching out to other people myself... especially people I don't know.
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm? How so?
Wol Euler: ah, right, I remember now :)
Fael Illyar: I ended up responding to one facebook tangential friend's request for help in a facebook game and you kind of need to socialize to get anywhere in it
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Wol Euler: I always do poorly at such games. My SIMS characters were always stuck in entry-level jobs
Wol Euler: but had really high happiness nonetheless :)
Fael Illyar: this game is an achievers dream... can't lose, really :P
Agatha Macbeth: Try Animal Crossing :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hee hee
Agatha Macbeth: What actually is Facebook?
Fael Illyar: it's ... facebook :)
Agatha Macbeth: That helps :)
Wol Euler: hehehehe
Fael Illyar: can't summarize really
Agatha Macbeth: Not
Wol Euler: an undeniably true answer
Agatha Macbeth: is it like MySpace?
Fael Illyar: I can tell you what it got started from :P
Wol Euler: it is the most facebook-like facebook that I know
Agatha Macbeth: Tell Fael tell!
Fael Illyar: initially facebook was simply a webpage where students of certain university could go post their pictures and some information about themselves.
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Fael Illyar: Now... it's global and...
Fael Illyar: well, you can add people as friends, leave writings that your friends can see and such
Wol Euler: and play games
Fael Illyar: keep a photo album
Fael Illyar: yes, play games too
Agatha Macbeth: Interesting
Wol Euler: and post links to stuff outside FB that you want people to see
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Fael Illyar: make groups and invite people in
Wol Euler: Bands use it to keep their fans informed
Wol Euler: as do politicians
Wol Euler: and political or social action groups
Agatha Macbeth: Politicians keep people informed?
Wol Euler: well, for certain values of "information"
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Fael Illyar smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Coincidentally a friend of mine mentioned it just yesterday...
Fael Illyar: it's basically quite a mess of information
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good
Fael Illyar: some people are quite vocal about what they're doing there
Agatha Macbeth: I see
Fael Illyar: it's pretty effective for social networking... as long as you're not shy :)
Agatha Macbeth: I am :)
Agatha Macbeth: *Very*
Wol Euler chortles
Fael Illyar: if you're shy, you're unlikely to do anything but "lurk" ... as in, read what others write and speak about.
Wol Euler: which is also fine, probably 75% of FB users are lurker
Wol Euler: *lurkers
Agatha Macbeth: That's not so bad
Fael Illyar: yep, most are
Agatha Macbeth: at least you learn
Fael Illyar: I actually got over something with this game :P
Wol Euler: mmm?
Fael Illyar: I got over the mental obstacle I had over sending out a shout that'd be seen by everyone on my friends list on facebook :P
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Fael Illyar: over something in a game :P
Agatha Macbeth: Your English is really good Fael
Agatha Macbeth: Where did you learn?
Fael Illyar: internet :P
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler: ask her where she learned japanese
Fael Illyar: ok, seriously, I read a lot of fantasy books
Agatha Macbeth: Where did you learn Japanese?
Wol Euler: :)
Fael Illyar: umm... kind of similar but I added a dictionary to the mix :P
Agatha Macbeth: I love Japan
Fael Illyar: as in, I took one year course in university of Japanese and then decided a course doesn't suit me.
Fael Illyar: I dived into reading real Japanese text right after the course
Fael Illyar: with a dictionary to look up any words I couldn't read
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Wol Euler: yeah
Agatha Macbeth: I find 'wa'and 'ga' very confusing
Fael Illyar: they took me a while :)
Agatha Macbeth: One marks the topic and one the subject, yes?
Wol Euler: O.O
Wol Euler: what have I started?!
Fael Illyar: nothing that simply explainable :)
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm, thought so :(
Fael Illyar: I haven't met anyone who could really explain it... :)
Agatha Macbeth: Even a Japanese person?
Fael Illyar: you get a feel for it from reading a lot
Agatha Macbeth: I guess
Wol Euler: they probably aren't allowed to. "I could tell you that, but then I'd have to kill myself."
Fael Illyar: to explain that, you'd need to understand both English and Japanese grammar to a quite a degree.
Agatha Macbeth: Hara Kiri
Fael Illyar: since it has to make sense to someone who knows English :)
Agatha Macbeth: Er, I do :)
Agatha Macbeth: (I think)
Agatha Macbeth: What a wonderful thing language is
Fael Illyar: yep :)
Fael Illyar: English thought structures and organization just doesn't match Japanese too well to allow for easy learning either way :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes. whole other culture
Agatha Macbeth: It always amazes me
Fael Illyar: but we're excluding Wol with this :)
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Have you evr TRIED excluding Wol?
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Not easy
Wol Euler: :-PPPPPP
Fael Illyar: not forceful exclusion :)
Agatha Macbeth: She takes over anyway :)
Fael Illyar: only works if she's too shy to butt in :)
Agatha Macbeth: Shy?
Agatha Macbeth: giggles
Agatha Macbeth: (Oi)
Fael Illyar smiles.
Wol Euler points to the recorder.
Fael Illyar meeps the recorder off.
Agatha Macbeth: Hello recorder