2010.01.09 01:00 - The six words of advice of Tilopa

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    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello arch

    Archmage Atlantis: I am starting to understand this place, Scathach

    Scathach Rhiadra: oh, how so Arch?

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello zon

    Zon Quar: heya

    Archmage Atlantis: It is a center of power

    Scathach Rhiadra: any topic you would like to discuss?

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema

    Pema Pera: Hi Scathach, Zon, Arch!

    Zon Quar: Pema

    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings, Piet

    Pema Pera: I like your star filled group label, Scathach :)

    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, you use a mac?

    Pema Pera: yes, am I supposed to see something else??

    Pema Pera: Hi Bert!

    Scathach Rhiadra: yes in Tibetan script, but I think macs don't automatically have the font installed

    Pema Pera: no, pity!

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bertrum

    Bertrum Quan: Hi everyone

    Zon Quar: Bert

    Pema Pera: I wonder how I can activate a script within SL on a Mac . . . . do you know?

    Pema Pera: and what does it say?

    Scathach Rhiadra: no idea about the script...

    Scathach Rhiadra: it says 'nang-pa'

    Scathach Rhiadra: or nang-ba, depends on transliteration

    Pema Pera: and what does it mean?

    Scathach Rhiadra: Buddhist

    Pema Pera: ah!

    Pema Pera: I knew that "pa" means person, but didn't know about "nang"

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Pema Pera: how are your Tibetan lessons going?

    Scathach Rhiadra: quite well, we have a few students and meet regularly


    Pema Pera: are you reading any particular text?

    Archmage Atlantis: Is not the Tibetan text already distilled, Pema...for this life?

    Scathach Rhiadra: no, the alphabet takes a lot of time with new students, though Stim recommended a text for learning some doctrinal topics

    Scathach Rhiadra: so we may use that in the future

    Scathach Rhiadra: oh, we do use a language text-book, if that is what you meant?

    Pema Pera: no, I wondered whether there was a simple text

    Pema Pera: some texts are very very short

    Scathach Rhiadra: true, and I have some in the display system, but we are only now starting to use them

    Pema Pera: For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilopa#...ords_of_Advice

    Pema Pera: literally six words!

    Pema Pera: it is one of the texts that has inspired me most . . . . the six words of advice of Tilopa

    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, I have that in Tibetan:)

    Pema Pera: is it part of your practice?

    Scathach Rhiadra: Don't recall. Don't imagine. Don't think. Don't examine. Don't control. Rest.

    Pema Pera: yes

    Zon Quar: dont understand 3rd word

    Archmage Atlantis: Say the six word yourself Pema

    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, resting is good:))

    Zon Quar: let go what is happening now ?

    Scathach Rhiadra: don't analyse

    Pema Pera: The more free translation by Ken McLeod is: Let go of what has passed. Let go of what may come. Let go of what is happening now. Don't try to figure anything out. Don't try to make anything happen. Relax, right now, and rest.

    Zon Quar: u should be watchful

    Zon Quar: now

    Archmage Atlantis: It is a mantra for the commanded then

    Zon Quar: by resting ?

    Pema Pera: the first three are about time, the next two about input/output: sensori/motor, the last one only is positive: rest

    Pema Pera: five no's and one yes

    Pema Pera: don't live in time, don't focus on input/output, rest

    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, relaxed alertness

    Pema Pera: yes

    Archmage Atlantis: Do you believe we learn new things Pema?

    Zon Quar: whats the difference between 3 and 4

    Pema Pera: biological organisms live in time and hence have needs, for the future, and input/output

    Pema Pera: the challenge is to go beyond the purely biological view of things

    Pema Pera: beyond our boundaries

    Pema Pera: at least that's how I read it

    Pema Pera: 3 is about the present, Zon, while 4 is about analyzing the world (past, present, future)

    Zon Quar: 3 then ?

    Archmage Atlantis: Many of the young see that as mechanical/computationa betond

    Zon Quar: sounds similar

    Pema Pera: don't focus on past, future, or present; don't spend time on figuring out or acting -- live without friction

    Pema Pera: how so, Zon?

    Zon Quar: thinkin

    Pema Pera: hi Bertram!

    Zon Quar: 3

    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello bertram

    Zon Quar: examinin 4

    Zon Quar: both r thinking ?

    Bertram Jacobus: hi everybody - first time with a mobile stick link here (!) - and it works - great ! :-)

    Zon Quar: analysing

    Bertram Jacobus: stick connection* ...


    Zon Quar: when u think the present,,u r either thinking past, future or analysing the world ?

    Zon Quar: oops

    Scathach Rhiadra: focusing on the present can mean getting caughtup or lost in what is happening around you, distracted

    Pema Pera: "thinking" here means "focusing on the present as an isolated point in time, "using your thinking now" -- while "analyzing or figuring out seems to be a more goal-oriented activity; analyzing what is happening, has happened, will happen in the future, a very tedious way to live -- in contrast, a wu-wei kind of spontaneous way of live doesn't use "thinking" as such, but something much more direct and fluid

    Pema Pera: yes, nice summary, Scathach!

    Archmage Atlantis: I have to say something

    Archmage Atlantis: I have tremendos respect for Pema

    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    Archmage Atlantis: I would not challenge him if I did not

    Zon Quar: gtg, my avatar stays to listen u, bye all

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Zon

    Pema Pera: please feel free to challenge, Arch :)

    Pema Pera: bye Zon!

    Bertrum Quan: bye Zon

    Archmage Atlantis: I do, Mr. Pema, it is a item of my respect

    Archmage Atlantis: I still reserve the right to be a bastard child :}

    Pema Pera: (our chat logs don't show when we are silent for ten minutes . . . )

    Scathach Rhiadra: :))

    Scathach Rhiadra: looks like everyone is resting:)

    Pema Pera: (the time element is missing -- sometimes the impression in reading is very different from being here!)

    Bertram Jacobus: don't they ? isn't the time logged also as here shown ?

    Pema Pera: not on the wiki, Bert

    Bertram Jacobus: oh. why is that ?

    Scathach Rhiadra: no timestamps on autologger

    Bertram Jacobus: ah okay

    Pema Pera: it is a matter of tradition

    Bertram Jacobus: ? :-)

    Pema Pera: the first day of PaB, chat logs were posted without time stamps

    Bertram Jacobus: oh. ah. isee :o)

    Pema Pera: it makes the reading a bit more tedious, having all those times

    Pema Pera: talking about time, dinner is calling for me :)

    Bertram Jacobus: hm. not convinced ;-)

    Scathach Rhiadra: lekker eten, Pema:)

    Pema Pera: see you all soon again

    Pema Pera: hehehe, Scathach!

    Bertram Jacobus: bye pema

    Bertrum Quan: Bye Pema

    Pema Pera: that's a perfect Dutch sentence!

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye!

    Scathach Rhiadra: thank you, I remember something:)

    Pema Pera: very appropriate, wonder were you picked that up from, not from a textbook!

    Bertram Jacobus: from where do you remember that scath ? :-)

    Scathach Rhiadra: no, I lived in holland for about 2 years


    Pema Pera: it shows!

    Bertram Jacobus: what do the signs above you mean, please, scath ? :-)

    Bertram Jacobus: the tibetan letters

    Scathach Rhiadra: it means buddhist (nang-ba)

    Bertram Jacobus: oh. nice. nang.ba ! ty - sounds often so nice, the tibetan ! ... :-)

    Scathach Rhiadra: yes it does:)

    Bertram Jacobus: "ok" - i'll leave - have a nice day all ! *waves* ...

    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Bertram, have a good day:)

    Bertrum Quan: Bye Bertram

    Bertram Jacobus: ty :-)

    Bertrum Quan: I ought to sign off as well.

    Bertrum Quan: Have a good day everyone.

    Scathach Rhiadra: good night Bertrum:)

    Archmage Atlantis: Every things going to be alright

    Scathach Rhiadra: good bye zon, have a good day:)

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