2010.01.09 01:00 - The six words of advice of Tilopa

Wol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database.

 

 

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello arch

Archmage Atlantis: I am starting to understand this place, Scathach

Scathach Rhiadra: oh, how so Arch?

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello zon

Zon Quar: heya

Archmage Atlantis: It is a center of power

Scathach Rhiadra: any topic you would like to discuss?

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pema

Pema Pera: Hi Scathach, Zon, Arch!

Zon Quar: Pema

Archmage Atlantis: Greetings, Piet

Pema Pera: I like your star filled group label, Scathach :)

Scathach Rhiadra: ah, you use a mac?

Pema Pera: yes, am I supposed to see something else??

Pema Pera: Hi Bert!

Scathach Rhiadra: yes in Tibetan script, but I think macs don't automatically have the font installed

Pema Pera: no, pity!

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bertrum

Bertrum Quan: Hi everyone

Zon Quar: Bert

Pema Pera: I wonder how I can activate a script within SL on a Mac . . . . do you know?

Pema Pera: and what does it say?

Scathach Rhiadra: no idea about the script...

Scathach Rhiadra: it says 'nang-pa'

Scathach Rhiadra: or nang-ba, depends on transliteration

Pema Pera: and what does it mean?

Scathach Rhiadra: Buddhist

Pema Pera: ah!

Pema Pera: I knew that "pa" means person, but didn't know about "nang"

Scathach Rhiadra: :)

Pema Pera: how are your Tibetan lessons going?

Scathach Rhiadra: quite well, we have a few students and meet regularly

--BELL--

Pema Pera: are you reading any particular text?

Archmage Atlantis: Is not the Tibetan text already distilled, Pema...for this life?

Scathach Rhiadra: no, the alphabet takes a lot of time with new students, though Stim recommended a text for learning some doctrinal topics

Scathach Rhiadra: so we may use that in the future

Scathach Rhiadra: oh, we do use a language text-book, if that is what you meant?

Pema Pera: no, I wondered whether there was a simple text

Pema Pera: some texts are very very short

Scathach Rhiadra: true, and I have some in the display system, but we are only now starting to use them

Pema Pera: For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilopa#...ords_of_Advice

Pema Pera: literally six words!

Pema Pera: it is one of the texts that has inspired me most . . . . the six words of advice of Tilopa

Scathach Rhiadra: yes, I have that in Tibetan:)

Pema Pera: is it part of your practice?

Scathach Rhiadra: Don't recall. Don't imagine. Don't think. Don't examine. Don't control. Rest.

Pema Pera: yes

Zon Quar: dont understand 3rd word

Archmage Atlantis: Say the six word yourself Pema

Scathach Rhiadra: yes, resting is good:))

Zon Quar: let go what is happening now ?

Scathach Rhiadra: don't analyse

Pema Pera: The more free translation by Ken McLeod is: Let go of what has passed. Let go of what may come. Let go of what is happening now. Don't try to figure anything out. Don't try to make anything happen. Relax, right now, and rest.

Zon Quar: u should be watchful

Zon Quar: now

Archmage Atlantis: It is a mantra for the commanded then

Zon Quar: by resting ?

Pema Pera: the first three are about time, the next two about input/output: sensori/motor, the last one only is positive: rest

Pema Pera: five no's and one yes

Pema Pera: don't live in time, don't focus on input/output, rest

Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, relaxed alertness

Pema Pera: yes

Archmage Atlantis: Do you believe we learn new things Pema?

Zon Quar: whats the difference between 3 and 4

Pema Pera: biological organisms live in time and hence have needs, for the future, and input/output

Pema Pera: the challenge is to go beyond the purely biological view of things

Pema Pera: beyond our boundaries

Pema Pera: at least that's how I read it

Pema Pera: 3 is about the present, Zon, while 4 is about analyzing the world (past, present, future)

Zon Quar: 3 then ?

Archmage Atlantis: Many of the young see that as mechanical/computationa betond

Zon Quar: sounds similar

Pema Pera: don't focus on past, future, or present; don't spend time on figuring out or acting -- live without friction

Pema Pera: how so, Zon?

Zon Quar: thinkin

Pema Pera: hi Bertram!

Zon Quar: 3

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello bertram

Zon Quar: examinin 4

Zon Quar: both r thinking ?

Bertram Jacobus: hi everybody - first time with a mobile stick link here (!) - and it works - great ! :-)

Zon Quar: analysing

Bertram Jacobus: stick connection* ...

--BELL--

Zon Quar: when u think the present,,u r either thinking past, future or analysing the world ?

Zon Quar: oops

Scathach Rhiadra: focusing on the present can mean getting caughtup or lost in what is happening around you, distracted

Pema Pera: "thinking" here means "focusing on the present as an isolated point in time, "using your thinking now" -- while "analyzing or figuring out seems to be a more goal-oriented activity; analyzing what is happening, has happened, will happen in the future, a very tedious way to live -- in contrast, a wu-wei kind of spontaneous way of live doesn't use "thinking" as such, but something much more direct and fluid

Pema Pera: yes, nice summary, Scathach!

Archmage Atlantis: I have to say something

Archmage Atlantis: I have tremendos respect for Pema

Scathach Rhiadra: :)

Archmage Atlantis: I would not challenge him if I did not

Zon Quar: gtg, my avatar stays to listen u, bye all

Scathach Rhiadra: bye Zon

Pema Pera: please feel free to challenge, Arch :)

Pema Pera: bye Zon!

Bertrum Quan: bye Zon

Archmage Atlantis: I do, Mr. Pema, it is a item of my respect

Archmage Atlantis: I still reserve the right to be a bastard child :}

Pema Pera: (our chat logs don't show when we are silent for ten minutes . . . )

Scathach Rhiadra: :))

Scathach Rhiadra: looks like everyone is resting:)

Pema Pera: (the time element is missing -- sometimes the impression in reading is very different from being here!)

Bertram Jacobus: don't they ? isn't the time logged also as here shown ?

Pema Pera: not on the wiki, Bert

Bertram Jacobus: oh. why is that ?

Scathach Rhiadra: no timestamps on autologger

Bertram Jacobus: ah okay

Pema Pera: it is a matter of tradition

Bertram Jacobus: ? :-)

Pema Pera: the first day of PaB, chat logs were posted without time stamps

Bertram Jacobus: oh. ah. isee :o)

Pema Pera: it makes the reading a bit more tedious, having all those times

Pema Pera: talking about time, dinner is calling for me :)

Bertram Jacobus: hm. not convinced ;-)

Scathach Rhiadra: lekker eten, Pema:)

Pema Pera: see you all soon again

Pema Pera: hehehe, Scathach!

Bertram Jacobus: bye pema

Bertrum Quan: Bye Pema

Pema Pera: that's a perfect Dutch sentence!

Scathach Rhiadra: bye!

Scathach Rhiadra: thank you, I remember something:)

Pema Pera: very appropriate, wonder were you picked that up from, not from a textbook!

Bertram Jacobus: from where do you remember that scath ? :-)

Scathach Rhiadra: no, I lived in holland for about 2 years

--BELL--

Pema Pera: it shows!

Bertram Jacobus: what do the signs above you mean, please, scath ? :-)

Bertram Jacobus: the tibetan letters

Scathach Rhiadra: it means buddhist (nang-ba)

Bertram Jacobus: oh. nice. nang.ba ! ty - sounds often so nice, the tibetan ! ... :-)

Scathach Rhiadra: yes it does:)

Bertram Jacobus: "ok" - i'll leave - have a nice day all ! *waves* ...

Scathach Rhiadra: bye Bertram, have a good day:)

Bertrum Quan: Bye Bertram

Bertram Jacobus: ty :-)

Bertrum Quan: I ought to sign off as well.

Bertrum Quan: Have a good day everyone.

Scathach Rhiadra: good night Bertrum:)

Archmage Atlantis: Every things going to be alright

Scathach Rhiadra: good bye zon, have a good day:)