2010.01.09 13:00 - I Ching

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Qt Core: Hi Yakuzza

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt

Qt Core: and the only two here are the ones where the time is sat. night ;-)

Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, that usually never happens

Yakuzza Lethecus: but they'll come, you'll never be late at pab :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: now it's getting suspicous :)

Qt Core: :-)

Yakuzza Lethecus: any special holiday ?

Yakuzza Lethecus: in the states

Qt Core: did we forgot to check the mail and PaB went on a field trip today ? ;-)

Qt Core: i don't think

--BELL--

Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend bert

Bertram Jacobus: whaow - only two ! :-)

Qt Core: hi Bert

Bertram Jacobus: good evening yaku ! :-)

Bertram Jacobus: and qt ! :-)

Bertram Jacobus: how are you tonight ? :-)

Yakuzza Lethecus: thx good, but we were also a bit confused since nobody came :)

Bertram Jacobus: hehe. really ? :-)

Qt Core: good, having a quiet day (once un a while)

Qt Core: you Bert ?

Bertram Jacobus: once un a while ? what does that mean, please ? :-)

Qt Core: un=in

Bertram Jacobus: me - very good. things develop very good at the moment for me - finally ! ty for askin

Bertram Jacobus: does that mean qt, that you often have not so quiet times ?

Qt Core: yes

Bertram Jacobus: ah okay. i see.

Bertram Jacobus: finally i have a new flat. and the terror with the neighbour ends ...

Qt Core: just don't let her know your new address ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: hehe okey :o)

Bertram Jacobus: ty for the hint :o)

Bertram Jacobus: and this morning i was the first time on with a new laptop, with internet stick - whaow, great ! ... :-)

Bertram Jacobus: whose session is that ? nobody claimed it yet ?

--BELL--

Qt Core: a new life i see ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: ehm ...

Bertram Jacobus: "yes" - things so much changing sometimes (!) ...

Bertram Jacobus: so intense

Bertram Jacobus: so different life phases i already had (!) ...

Bertram Jacobus: i'm astonished again and again about life ...

Bertram Jacobus: you both don't claim the session ? :o)

Qt Core: no

Bertram Jacobus: i fear, i forgot how to put it into the wiki ...

Qt Core: i never knew ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: oh. but then - if nobody else takes it, i will. because i know i can give it later to somebody else who does that, then ...

Bertram Jacobus: i wonder, where yaku is - so ften not really here ... (?) :o)

Yakuzza Lethecus: thats true

Bertram Jacobus: i think i asked already but forgot also that again - a big mistake of mine - where are you then yaku ? :-) if i may ask ...

Yakuzza Lethecus: in a different application, or watching a video

Yakuzza Lethecus: right now i listen to a couple of my friends while they play something

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey cal

Qt Core: hi Calvino

Bertram Jacobus: outside of sl ?

Bertram Jacobus: hello cal -

Calvino Rabeni: good day all (:

Bertram Jacobus: good evening ;o)

Yakuzza Lethecus: sure outside of sl bert

Bertram Jacobus: i could not handle that ... ;-)

Yakuzza Lethecus: it depends, but sure thats not very mindful

Bertram Jacobus: i don't know - it's just another form of handling - no ?

Bertram Jacobus: one can invest a lot of mindfulness perhaps too when one is "multitaskin" ?

Bertram Jacobus: my cup can talk (!) :-)

Qt Core: and make you levitate too!

Bertram Jacobus: whaooooow - you're right - did not notice that - until you told me !

--BELL--

Bertram Jacobus: so ladies and gentleman , i'll leave the quiet session. ty and bye :-)

Qt Core: :-) bye

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bert

Bertram Jacobus waves ... :-)

Calvino Rabeni: What's in your cup, Yaku-san?

Yakuzza Lethecus: in real life i drink a veltins right now

Qt Core: hi steve

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey stevenaia

stevenaia Michinaga: hello

Calvino Rabeni: :) steve

stevenaia Michinaga: how was the hour?

Qt Core: quiet, very quiet

Yakuzza Lethecus: yes :)

stevenaia Michinaga: mine too

Calvino Rabeni: My cup holds steaming Gunpowder Green

Calvino Rabeni: And looks a lot like the virtual cup Yaku holds

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: brb...RL calls

Mickorod Renard: Hiya anyone awake

Qt Core: hi mick

Calvino Rabeni: Mick, good evening

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey mick :)

Mickorod Renard: Hiya,,:)

Yakuzza Lethecus: session of silence today :)

Mickorod Renard: nice

Mickorod Renard: I have just got back from a dracula pantomine

Calvino Rabeni: That's a topic you could sink your teeth into.

Mickorod Renard: yea,,gets a bit messy though

Mickorod Renard: a transfusion of information

Mickorod Renard: suck some life into it

Mickorod Renard: I was very sad when it was anounced that Wok is finnished

Mickorod Renard: but dreams will hopefully start soon

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: The logs are there to be mined for ideas, still. I only attended a few of the sessions and would have like more.

Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, that with wok is sad since it was more focused then for example pab except the theme sessions, still i am more kind of an observer

Yakuzza Lethecus: problem, not everyone can observe or there isn't anything worth observing :)

Calvino Rabeni: Although I'm very much in favor of focused groups

Calvino Rabeni: Outside PAB

Calvino Rabeni: And I think there's potential for WONK - ways of Not Knowing

Mickorod Renard: yea,,like u have mentioned befor Yaku,,there is always Stims logs to look at and his voice stuff

Mickorod Renard: yes,,wonk may work well

Yakuzza Lethecus: right and i always wanted to get into his ethics lectures

Mickorod Renard: me too

Mickorod Renard: I wonder,,maybe in wonk we could do like whats done in bible lessons,,select some passage out of the wok book,,say on ethics,,and then we all take it apart

Mickorod Renard: Hi sartre

Qt Core: time to go, bye all

Sartre Placebo: hey, am just testing the clent on a laptop

Sartre Placebo: bye qt

Mickorod Renard: Bye Qt,,go well

Calvino Rabeni: bye

Mickorod Renard: I must get a list of all the themed sessions and then work out which to get more focussed on

Calvino Rabeni: If you know your focus, you can bring up topics at any time in PaB group

Yakuzza Lethecus: right, i also got the text of the time space book

Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't know what i really should focus on

Calvino Rabeni: That's half the fun :)

Mickorod Renard: i have the book now yaku,,space time and knowledge

stevenaia Michinaga: spin the dial

Yakuzza Lethecus: or the sciene sessions gaya started

Yakuzza Lethecus: i think i will watch the movie in a couple of days

Calvino Rabeni: Pick something you resonate with, something that furthers your thought, and share it

Mickorod Renard: watz that gaya has started?

Yakuzza Lethecus: are they even still doing those sessions ?

Yakuzza Lethecus: movie discussions

Mickorod Renard: ohh

Mickorod Renard: didnt know about those

Yakuzza Lethecus: http://www.localendar.com/elsie?DAM=...n%2010,%202010

Mickorod Renard: do they link in to pab etc?

Mickorod Renard: thanks

Yakuzza Lethecus: i haven't watched the movie so far, so i didn't attend

Yakuzza Lethecus: but i attend the time space being discussions while i haven't read that book

Mickorod Renard: I dont think the topic is exactly up my street..if you know what I mesan

stevenaia Michinaga: it's a movie you need to see more than once

Yakuzza Lethecus: but it's interesting to hear about the issue when somebody doesn't understand these kind of literature

Mickorod Renard: I would like to do the space time more often

Mickorod Renard: yes, I can see the attraction

Mickorod Renard: similar to some other sorts of class,,like appreciation of books, poetry and so forth I guess

Yakuzza Lethecus: my issue is that i think most of these topics have their importance while i am not familiar with the topics and want to let it grow slowly by being surrounded by ppl interested in the topics

Yakuzza Lethecus: that counts for pab as well as the time sessions

Mickorod Renard: I think thats a good idea Yaku

stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it takes time to embrace new contemplative topics,

stevenaia Michinaga: such as PaB

Mickorod Renard: i think we are all growing in these fields,,maybe without us knowing it

Mickorod Renard: just by being present and observing

Yakuzza Lethecus: i believe so or at least i hope and understand where i might get stuck in my habits of attending

stevenaia Michinaga: I remember reading my first sessions with Pema and Stim... I felt quite lost

stevenaia Michinaga: but it kept me coming back

Mickorod Renard: me too

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: I now see the links to what we have done in the past,,with Space time and knowledge book

Mickorod Renard: and also in phenemology

stevenaia Michinaga: eventually I understand the links between the topics

Yakuzza Lethecus: pheno, is also closed now as i understood the newsgroups

Mickorod Renard: yes

stevenaia Michinaga: yet it's still part of PaB, just not overtly

Mickorod Renard: but I suspect it had gone beyond my ability to comprehend anyway

Mickorod Renard: i think I would like to start as a newcommer again,,in phenemology

Yakuzza Lethecus: i would try to find lectures about it online

Mickorod Renard: I am sure I made an ass of myself when first introduced to it in pab

stevenaia Michinaga: It was a bit too rigorous for me at the begining, I dipped my toe in and felt I was over my head

Mickorod Renard: me too

stevenaia Michinaga: (Phenomonology

Mickorod Renard: yes

stevenaia Michinaga: well the spelling of it anyway

Mickorod Renard: he he

stevenaia Michinaga: the homework was dificult

Calvino Rabeni: It's probably easier to do than spell :)

stevenaia Michinaga: dificult form a time perspective

Mickorod Renard: perhaps for you cal,,:)

Yakuzza Lethecus: i got to go now, good night mick, day stev/cal

Mickorod Renard: nite Yaku

Mickorod Renard: take care

Calvino Rabeni: Bye Yaku-san

Mickorod Renard: I tried to get some i ching coins today,,no lucj though

Mickorod Renard: but i can use any old,,or new coins \I suppose

stevenaia Michinaga: one of my next projects

Mickorod Renard: mine too

stevenaia Michinaga: understanding iChing

Calvino Rabeni: It can be fascinating

Calvino Rabeni: How about we do one now?

stevenaia Michinaga: as long as it;s a slow emersion

Calvino Rabeni: TTT - things take time :)

Mickorod Renard: take the lead Cal,,I am still niave on it

stevenaia Michinaga: understand I am before the begining. so I can only waatch

stevenaia Michinaga: listen

Calvino Rabeni: Carry on please though, I'll get coins etc.

Mickorod Renard: ok,,great

Mickorod Renard: this sounds illuminating

Mickorod Renard: I will get my book

stevenaia Michinaga: I'll get my website

stevenaia Michinaga: :)

Mickorod Renard: he he

Mickorod Renard: ok,,ready

Mickorod Renard: I have 3 pound coins

Mickorod Renard: which should be ying ,,and yang,,or whatever?

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: so we have gua..which is a hexogram,,made up of 6 lines of yoa?

Calvino Rabeni: yes

Mickorod Renard: each line is made up of yin and yang permutation

Mickorod Renard: shall i make heads yin or yang?

Calvino Rabeni: When I do it I use heads yang

Calvino Rabeni: I did a throw

Mickorod Renard: i will too

Mickorod Renard: ok..what u got?

Calvino Rabeni: (turns on light to read)

Calvino Rabeni: It generates 2 hexagrams, usually

Mickorod Renard: i did a yang yang yin

Calvino Rabeni: One changing to another

Mickorod Renard: yes?

Mickorod Renard: i dont understand that bit yet

Calvino Rabeni: I have - #36 - darkening of the light - turning to #52 - keeping still

Calvino Rabeni: The question I had in mind was "A general reading about PaB at this time"

Mickorod Renard: ok,,so how did u end up from one hex to 2 hex?

Mickorod Renard: ok?

Calvino Rabeni: The first and sixth (bottom and top) lines are changing

Mickorod Renard: ok

Calvino Rabeni: The first / bottom line is "old yang"

Calvino Rabeni: that changes to Yin

Calvino Rabeni: The top line is "old yin" which changes to Yang

Mickorod Renard: this is on the 36 hex?

Calvino Rabeni: Yes

Mickorod Renard: i thought it was stable ,,lesser yang?

Calvino Rabeni: Old is greater, it is changing

Mickorod Renard: ahh i see

Calvino Rabeni: Because it has lasted already for a while

Calvino Rabeni: #36 is not regarded as auspicious, generally

Calvino Rabeni: However, in the I Ching the cautionary tales are not about fate, they are about what to do to turn fate to destiny

Calvino Rabeni: By appropriate action

Calvino Rabeni: So the extreme cases always resolve

Calvino Rabeni: If followed with wisdom

Mickorod Renard: mmm?

Calvino Rabeni: The classic I Ching is about wisdom - the Superior Man is the term used in the Wilhelm translation

Mickorod Renard: but I still cant get my head around the second hex,,without throwing again

Calvino Rabeni: That means a person who does not fight fate, but knows how to be skillful and appropriate no matter the situation

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: OK, if you take 36 and change the bottom and the top line

Mickorod Renard: swap them around?

Calvino Rabeni: then you get the second hexagram, 52

Mickorod Renard: I see

Calvino Rabeni: which represents what the overall situation is changing into

Calvino Rabeni: Or the potential of it

Mickorod Renard: yes

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: So the unauspicious situation represented by 36 is changing to something new

Mickorod Renard: but when do you decide to do this?,,its not in every case is it?

Calvino Rabeni: which is 52, "keeping still"

Mickorod Renard: I see

Calvino Rabeni: In this way of casting the oracle, the coins (etc.) give you the lines, so there isn't really a decision involved

Calvino Rabeni: The reading is about interpretation

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: The interpretation process is to see - what is it about my situation, my question, that these lines are pointing out?

Mickorod Renard: I was just trying to get my head around getting the second hexo

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: You see where it comes from now Mick?

Mickorod Renard: I can see in my book the decision process between the 2 hexo's

Mickorod Renard: but still faultering on how to understand when to get a second hex

Calvino Rabeni: You roll 6 times, one for each line

Mickorod Renard: I guess its when the top and bottom line are identical,,then u only end up with one?

Calvino Rabeni: Some of the rolls indicate "old" yin or yang

Calvino Rabeni: If they are, that means the line changes

Mickorod Renard: wheras ifthey are diferent u get 2 dif hexo's

Calvino Rabeni: the changed lines create the second hexagram

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: See, so the throw creates one hexagram, with some number of changing lines

Mickorod Renard: ok,,I think i am getting there

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: And after they change, it looks like a new hexagram

Mickorod Renard: yes,,,clever

Calvino Rabeni: If there were no "old"lines in the original hexagram, it would stay the same

Calvino Rabeni: but it it possible for all 6 lines to change

Mickorod Renard: but in a case where the thrown coins ,,are the same on both lines,,then u end up with only one same number

Calvino Rabeni: thus any hexagram might change into any other one

Mickorod Renard: yes

Mickorod Renard: ok..shall I throw some coins?

Mickorod Renard: or are we lookin at your still?

Calvino Rabeni: Want to talk about the interpretation of 36 into 52?

Mickorod Renard: lets look at urs some more?

Mickorod Renard: yes please

Calvino Rabeni: 36 represents light hidden under the earth

Calvino Rabeni: It is taken to symbolize the times in which knowledge or wisdom must be concealed

Calvino Rabeni: Because the outer situation is dark - does not support it

Mickorod Renard: I see

Calvino Rabeni: So the counsel is for the superior man to persevere

Mickorod Renard: confronted by great hardship

Calvino Rabeni: sometimes it means, that certain knowledge although valuable, is not something the world is ready for yet

Calvino Rabeni: In a broader sense, it is about esoteric knowledge and secrets

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: Or could be

Calvino Rabeni: The top line represents usually the culmination of the whole process

Calvino Rabeni: The I ching is very process-oriented

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: Process action moves from the bottom to the top

Calvino Rabeni: An initial thing happens on line 1

Mickorod Renard: in this case there seems to be a confirming of the first hex by the second

Calvino Rabeni: Line 6 represents a completion of a process

Calvino Rabeni: It is an intersting change - it seems to suggest calm observation and wisdom rather than new action

Calvino Rabeni: I have a personal interpretation -

Calvino Rabeni: Everyone may have their own of course

Mickorod Renard: yes, like brave it out,,stand fast

Calvino Rabeni: Yes

Calvino Rabeni: This recalls to me the situation with WOK and VIP ending

Mickorod Renard: I have the "complete I ching" book

Calvino Rabeni: Part of the reason they are ending is, running out of the initial energy of starting things, that pema contributed

Mickorod Renard: yes

Mickorod Renard: this is often an issue,,i have seen it in other clubs in rl

Calvino Rabeni: If I interpret mountain, it is not counseling starting a new project right away

Calvino Rabeni: but sitting still with what is already here, and letting it digest into some wisdom or understanding first

Calvino Rabeni: Kind of like, when a PAB session is silent, keeping still, and you know it is not due to people being dull

Mickorod Renard: mmm,,is this in relation to your session on

Calvino Rabeni: They are sitting and observing. That is what the mountain trigram can symbolize

Calvino Rabeni: Overall, that's my first take on the throw. After that I usually look at the specif lines, the symbolism,etc.

Mickorod Renard: I was refering to your prevous line where u mention mountain

Calvino Rabeni: If you don't already know the hexagrams, it might be better to do a bottom up study

Mickorod Renard: yes

Mickorod Renard: do you know them?

Mickorod Renard: there are lots

Calvino Rabeni: I studied them in depth about 10 years ago, and had them memorized, but by now, it started to fade :)

stevenaia Michinaga: ..listen, so the affect of the iChing on the original "queation " may differ from person to person, even though the hexigrams may be the same, as unlikely as that might be?

Calvino Rabeni: I suppose, different people may see different things about the situation

Mickorod Renard: so,,tell me please Cal, when do you move into reading the seperate lines rather than just the general definition in the book?

Calvino Rabeni: The kind of challenge the I ching presents,is that there are many different latent possibilities in any situation

Calvino Rabeni: Since I know them, I look at the whole pattern first, but at first, I would read the book,

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: Yes Steve, I recon a reading on mine wud be miles diferent,,based on what my questions on life are for me

Calvino Rabeni: first, look at the overall description of the first hexagram, then the image, then read the moving lines and contemplate them, then look at the "changed-to" hexagram

Calvino Rabeni: The contemplation part should be taken slowly

Calvino Rabeni: It is possible to state a definite question in advance, or just ask a general question, or none

Mickorod Renard: in 36,,line 3 for example,,I have hunting in the south

Calvino Rabeni: However, in each case, keep in mind what you "meaant"

Calvino Rabeni: And it's a matter of poetic interpretation in some cases

Calvino Rabeni: My reading was from the Wilhelm translation

Calvino Rabeni: You have a good translation, but different

Mickorod Renard: hunting in the south may not be relevant to your question,,at least not obviously

Calvino Rabeni: The interpretation is a metaphor - whatever the question is, you consider what it says when mixed together with your question

Mickorod Renard: but had I been askin a question about where to find a new girlfriend,,then maybe it would

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: :)

Mickorod Renard: :)

Calvino Rabeni: It means, get out and mix in light places, maybe she will be found :)

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: Spain? :)

Mickorod Renard: he he

Mickorod Renard: well, i dont need one,,but i was thinkin of an example

Calvino Rabeni: Just in case. :)

Calvino Rabeni: Well maybe that question is really for me :)

Mickorod Renard: so Steve,,are you going to have a go?

stevenaia Michinaga: no, I am in the middle of preparing dinner

stevenaia Michinaga: but this is really my first exposure

stevenaia Michinaga: I will keep listening

Mickorod Renard: I guess now with yours Cal,,you will hold that reading in your mind,,and it may well work in your favour

Mickorod Renard: to operate in that steadfast way

Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I'm still holding it -and it is working for me

Mickorod Renard: great

Calvino Rabeni: In between stages of things, it is often a good idea to pause

Calvino Rabeni: In a way, that is what the 9-sec practice can give you too

Calvino Rabeni: Keeping Still, mountain over mountain

Mickorod Renard: yes,,good advice i guess,,and calming too,,stops u being irrational

Calvino Rabeni: Anyway, I'm going to put it into practice if I can

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: Yes

Mickorod Renard: ok,,shall i roll some coins?

Calvino Rabeni: Sure

Mickorod Renard: do i need a question?

Mickorod Renard: and when should the focus be on?

Mickorod Renard: next few days?

Calvino Rabeni: It's up to you - just try to get a stable feeling for it, so you know what is being answered

Mickorod Renard: still trying to think of a question..he he

Calvino Rabeni: wait for a "that's it" feeling

stevenaia Michinaga: sorry, in and out stiring and reading :)

Mickorod Renard: he he

Mickorod Renard: ok,,I am going to ask

Calvino Rabeni: Your book mick is the Al Huang translation?

Mickorod Renard: whether to buy a new house sooner rather than later

Mickorod Renard: yes

Mickorod Renard: ok,,I have heads heads tails

Mickorod Renard: tails tails tails

Calvino Rabeni: which order is that?

Calvino Rabeni: I mean, I roll them bottom to top

Mickorod Renard: thats left to right..or first to last

Calvino Rabeni: ok

Mickorod Renard: is that alright?

Calvino Rabeni: sure

Mickorod Renard: head tail tail

Mickorod Renard: tail tail head

Mickorod Renard: head tail tail

Mickorod Renard: head head head

Mickorod Renard: ok

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: ok,,written them down

Mickorod Renard: so now i need to match them up?

Mickorod Renard: now I am stuffed

Calvino Rabeni: Match them up?

Calvino Rabeni: You turn the 3 coins into one line

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: groups of three lines into one trigram

Calvino Rabeni: making the lower and upper trigram

Mickorod Renard: from the bottom

Calvino Rabeni: look up the hexagram for that

Calvino Rabeni: Yes from the bottom

Mickorod Renard: but I dont see the line for a greater yang

Calvino Rabeni: Not sure the method you're looking at - the way I am doing it, (H H T) means Young Yang

Calvino Rabeni: (T T Tt) means Young Yin

Calvino Rabeni: (H T T) - old yin

Calvino Rabeni: (T T H) - young yin

Calvino Rabeni: (H T T) - old yin

Mickorod Renard: yikes

Calvino Rabeni: (H H H) - young yang

Mickorod Renard: in this book it says lesser yang ..or greater yin etc

Calvino Rabeni: However, maybe your book has a different method - I wish I had the same

Mickorod Renard: I guess we could suppose that the lesser is the younger

Calvino Rabeni: Bottom line, lesser yang?

Mickorod Renard: yes

Calvino Rabeni: Yes lesser is younger

Calvino Rabeni: older is greater, this is the changing one

Mickorod Renard: second greater yang

Calvino Rabeni: so the third and fifth lines are changing

Mickorod Renard: then 3lesser yins

Mickorod Renard: finally top greater yin

Mickorod Renard: I am darned if i can see the patern in the book

Calvino Rabeni: Work it out according to your book regardless of if that matches the results I gave earlier

stevenaia Michinaga: do each of these determinations have an affect on the interpretation? greater/lesser/changing

Calvino Rabeni: Yes

Calvino Rabeni: OK, I'm not sure if there is a slightly different coin method involved, but in the way I do it, the sequence you rolled is:

Mickorod Renard: ahh a 41

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: (Yang, Yin, Greater Yin, Yin, Greater Yin, Yang)

Mickorod Renard: i think

Calvino Rabeni: That would be 27

Calvino Rabeni: But if your method is different, you could ahve 41

Mickorod Renard: now I need to sway the top and bottom lines around for the second hex?

Calvino Rabeni: If those are the changing lines (the Greater ones) Yes

Calvino Rabeni: In my reading above it would be the 3rd and 5th

Calvino Rabeni: Maybe in yours, the bottom and top

Mickorod Renard: bottom is a lesser yang,,and top a greater yin

Mickorod Renard: of i see,,i thought it was always the top and bottom

Calvino Rabeni: THe lesser ones don't change

Mickorod Renard: ok

Calvino Rabeni: No, just the lines that are "greater"

Calvino Rabeni: Greater yin, Greater Yang are the changing lines

Mickorod Renard: thats the second from bot and the top

Calvino Rabeni: you don't know in advance which ones it might be

Calvino Rabeni: OK

Mickorod Renard: eeek

Calvino Rabeni: Oh hey, I'm really sorry but I have to leave because I promised someone to do something a while back

Mickorod Renard: I am lost somewhere

arabella Ella: Hiya

Mickorod Renard: thats ok Cal,,but I am a lil more wiser now,,thanks

Calvino Rabeni: We can clear this up later OK

Mickorod Renard: ok great

Mickorod Renard: hiya Ara

Calvino Rabeni: Glad to talk about this with you - maybe I'll get your same book

arabella Ella: am i disturbing?

Calvino Rabeni: BFN everyone

Mickorod Renard: bye Cal

arabella Ella: bye Calvino

Mickorod Renard: no ara

stevenaia Michinaga: we meed Ade's blackboard, perhaps we can have her loan it to us

Mickorod Renard: come sit

Mickorod Renard: thats a good idea steve

stevenaia Michinaga: learning by example is nice

stevenaia Michinaga: I bet she can program it to do hexigrams

Mickorod Renard: yes,,somewhere during that,,i thought iknew what i was doing

stevenaia Michinaga: Hi Arabella

arabella Ella: Hiya Steve!

Mickorod Renard: then it seems i do not

Mickorod Renard: he he

Mickorod Renard: but i still think I had a 41

stevenaia Michinaga: well dinner is served, I must be off, great session

arabella Ella: Mick if you wish to produce a gua perhaps you could create objects to rez here if it is possible?

arabella Ella: bye Steve enjoy your dinner

Mickorod Renard: ok steve,,thanks for bein here during

stevenaia Michinaga: I'll have to send it to pila , are you theGuardian, Mick?

Mickorod Renard: have fun

Mickorod Renard: no

Mickorod Renard: shall i claim it?

stevenaia Michinaga: if no one else has

stevenaia Michinaga: see you later

Mickorod Renard: grin,,dont know how to tell

Mickorod Renard: bye Steve