2010.01.12 19:00 - Fountain in Still Water

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

    Eos Amaterasu: 90 seconds fills the whole of space


    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Cal!
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Eos, how goes it?
    Eos Amaterasu: Peaceful night here....
    Eos Amaterasu: 
    Let it be known
    There is a fountain
    That was not made
    By the hands of man
    - Hunter & Garcia (I'm sure you know :-)




    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Ripple in still water
    Calvino Rabeni: There are some pretty good GD lyrics web sites looking at the poetic and spiritual themes of Hunters lyrics
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Paradise!
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, Para, I saved you that seat :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles .. hi eos .. cal :) thanks !

    Eos Amaterasu: the 90 secs is a fountain of being
    Eos Amaterasu: that was not made by our hands

    Eos Amaterasu: ripples from the song "ripple", Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: ahh
    Eos Amaterasu: http://www.dead.net/song/ripple

    Eos Amaterasu: being grateful for the fountain
    Eos Amaterasu: the one in sl
    Eos Amaterasu: the one in rl
    Eos Amaterasu: the one in any l
    Paradise Tennant: :)

    Eos Amaterasu: How's this for the next 90 secs: 90 secs not made by the hand of man
    Eos Amaterasu: (or woman)
    Paradise Tennant: :) lol
    Paradise Tennant: nods good point






    Calvino Rabeni: OK - It is not I, that makes the flow, of the fountain that is I
    Eos Amaterasu: you flowing, being flowing
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: identity joke:
    Eos Amaterasu: you can't step into the same river once
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: I was gone, Man
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Fritz Perls: "do not push the river, it flows by itself"

    Calvino Rabeni: The river flowed down into the Gone World
    Paradise Tennant: where is what is the gone world
    Calvino Rabeni: And then ...I heard this little bell go 'ting". And it was a bit of a shock
    Calvino Rabeni: It is a 1950's metaphor from the beat generation I think
    Eos Amaterasu: ah yes, that's right
    Calvino Rabeni: Every age had it's being present practices and metaphors

    Eos Amaterasu: I'm looking forward to something like that in Malta
    Eos Amaterasu: meeting that world
    Eos Amaterasu: How's your world, Paradise?
    Paradise Tennant: yes malta will be a new kind of world
    Paradise Tennant: for me at least

    Paradise Tennant: my world is really cold right now .. but centred :) been working on a few buddhist practises daily .. amazing how it give balance
    Calvino Rabeni: yes isn't it
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Who are you in that kind of space?
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm curious whether I'll ever hear a really great "elevator pitch" for practices like that
    Eos Amaterasu: a 9 secs pitch?
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: ok
    Paradise Tennant: my elevator pitch?
    Calvino Rabeni: Or a 30 second pitch - whatever is comfortable - for the value of those practices
    Eos Amaterasu: You're on the spot, Paradise! :-)

    Paradise Tennant: it gives your spirit space to be spirit :)

    Eos Amaterasu: Very good!

    Paradise Tennant: and you expand from the edginess of finite to something softer .. without boundaries..

    Calvino Rabeni: What if the best ad agencies tackled it - and they had nothing to sell, to complicate the message :)
    Paradise Tennant: sorry .. dog is making a big racket he wants more cheese please!
    Eos Amaterasu: really nice, "the edginess of finite" :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Ads do sell states of mind
    Calvino Rabeni: yeah, alack
    Calvino Rabeni: how about an ad for attention...
    Calvino Rabeni: once they have it...
    Calvino Rabeni: suggesting what to do with it
    Calvino Rabeni: One such campaign, a little like that is "talk - the anti-drug" or some such
    Eos Amaterasu: Your very own 90 seconds - free!
    Calvino Rabeni: take time to talk to your children with good attention
    Paradise Tennant: hmm often think the more you push against something ..the stronger you make it


    Calvino Rabeni: What if, you could "drop" all manner of paradoxes? ... resist nothing, open everything
    Calvino Rabeni: Would that "unwind" what you were referring to, Paradise?
    Paradise Tennant: hm the edginess?
    Calvino Rabeni: yes including that
    Paradise Tennant: I think that would make you experience what you are .. underneath
    Paradise Tennant: I find it easier to not resist .. with practise .. focus alot on surrendering to the moment
    Paradise Tennant: whatever it is
    Calvino Rabeni: understand yes
    Paradise Tennant: that feeling of open everything .. sort of a biproduct of being aware
    Paradise Tennant: do you find so ?

    Eos Amaterasu: could be a painful experience.... you could be an ouch-cube
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni wonders, about the "underneath" place, ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Para, I find it like that
    Calvino Rabeni: Not ouchy, Eos, to me
    Paradise Tennant: no because there you are so stretched out .. there is no container .. reference for pain
    Paradise Tennant: it is peace
    Calvino Rabeni: I can understand that
    Paradise Tennant: acceptance
    Paradise Tennant: a deep calm abiding
    Eos Amaterasu: yet still in that people are unhappy, conflicted, conflicting
    Calvino Rabeni: and believe it can be relied on
    Paradise Tennant: no ..
    Paradise Tennant: not the space I am talking about
    Calvino Rabeni: but, there are many people who say, they are afraid to stop and look "inside"
    Paradise Tennant: conscious everyday ..moments .. can be full of pain
    Paradise Tennant: but if you let go ..
    Paradise Tennant: you let go of the pain too
    Calvino Rabeni: Pain or suffering, seem distlnctly different experiences
    Paradise Tennant: hmm almost don't think it is looking inside ..more like just really seeing the outside .. the big .. what we are all a part of
    Calvino Rabeni: I think Eos knows this
    Paradise Tennant: suffering pain .. provides an enormous benefit
    Calvino Rabeni: agree Para, but they call it "inside" for some funny reason
    Paradise Tennant: it makes you stop .. the preoccupation
    Paradise Tennant: it makes you pay attention
    Eos Amaterasu: doesn't deny anything....
    Paradise Tennant: without pain or suffering .. it would be a non starter I think :)
    Calvino Rabeni: hows that Paradise?
    Paradise Tennant: if we did not come face to face with loss .. the impernance of the world .. there would be no reason to question the superficial
    Paradise Tennant: suffering pain .. is the door way


    Paradise Tennant: takes you out into the yard :)
    Paradise Tennant: such a nice yard really :)
    Eos Amaterasu: into the pond
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Eos Amaterasu: fish as unoriginated ripple in the water of being
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: Someone teased me about quotes, but it can be an easy way to make a point
    Paradise Tennant: loves quotes
    Calvino Rabeni: I remember early days of trying to unwind these things
    Eos Amaterasu: the fish feels the movements of its body
    Calvino Rabeni: Improvement makes straight roads; but the crooked roads without improvements are roads of genius. ~ William Blake
    Eos Amaterasu: schools of fish affect the ocean as much as tides and winds
    Eos Amaterasu: who's rippling who?
    Paradise Tennant: the sound of one fin flapping ?
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: heh heh
    Eos Amaterasu: very finny
    Paradise Tennant: blake is always wonderful
    Eos Amaterasu: amazing person
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: Every ages sees itself as unique - like what is happening culturally has never happened before, and yet
    Calvino Rabeni: the same keeps happening over and over
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: This being on the theme of "improving"... ever since Lao Tzu
    Calvino Rabeni: They deserve respect for making the effort
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: But the sense you are talking about Paradise seems to be outside the commonplace
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: it is really common .. everyone has it .. the ability to perceive the world as a connected whole ..
    Calvino Rabeni: the piece about not resisting "what is"
    Paradise Tennant: yes being what is
    Calvino Rabeni: And the consequential experience of initial complexity, unwinding into something rather different
    Calvino Rabeni: Going through the door into the garden
    Calvino Rabeni: A buddhist friend calls it the "wonderland" or something like that
    Eos Amaterasu: On the WELL?
    Paradise Tennant: becoming still .. and realizng we are part of the garden
    Eos Amaterasu: Lord Buckley:
    The flowers, the gorgeous, mystic multi-colored flowers are not the flowers of life, but people, yes people are the true flowers of life, and it has been a most precious pleasure to have temporarily strolled in your garden


    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe there's a well-like thing ... not sure your meaning
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni will drink to that . At the well.
    Eos Amaterasu: the WELL (Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link) has long had a Buddhist forum called "wonderland"
    Calvino Rabeni: I thought that was the one you meant
    Calvino Rabeni: Never followed it though


    Calvino Rabeni: Although I've been reading a bit about that piece of history
    Eos Amaterasu: I must leave our wonderful transcontinental meeting here in the garden of being...
    Paradise Tennant: thank you both .. lovely conversation .. good nite eos
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd "high five" if it were possible :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care, Eos
    Paradise Tennant: high five !s
    Eos Amaterasu: 'night Calvino and paradise!
    Eos Amaterasu: high 5!
    Paradise Tennant: I should go to .. :) thanks Cal .. graat talking to you :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Likewise Paradise :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks, and take care
    Paradise Tennant: smiles and you my friend :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye
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