Page last modified 20:46, 9 Apr 2010 by sophia placebo

*The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.*

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema :)

Pema Pera: Nice to see you again!

Eliza Madrigal: Yes, you too! Are you settled for a few days?

Pema Pera: yup

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Pema Pera: yesterday was my last day at work in Japan, for now at least

Pema Pera: a few days free, more or less, and then off to Malta :-)

Eliza Madrigal: Arabella said there are ten total?

Eliza Madrigal: Exceiting :)

Pema Pera: yes

Eliza Madrigal: Ha Exciting, too

Pema Pera: indeed!

Pema Pera: and also the idea to go to Malta

Pema Pera: has a kind of magical ring to it . . . .

Eliza Madrigal: yes I'm really looking forward to hearing all about it when everyone returns

Pema Pera: btw, this is Sophia's slot, isn't it?

Eliza Madrigal: yes... she might be delayed

Eliza Madrigal: sometimes internet troubles, too

Pema Pera: just wondering whether I should take the log

Eliza Madrigal: I'll grab it if she's not here by the time I need to leave... have a few minutes

Pema Pera: thank you, that's very kind of you!

Eliza Madrigal: no worries

Eliza Madrigal: So do you all have a general outline for practice for Malta, or...

Pema Pera: no, not really

Pema Pera: neither did I have one for the previous two RL retreat

Pema Pera: things unfolded as they did

Eliza Madrigal: Ah :)

Pema Pera: though I do often prepare some fall back ideas, I wind up not using them

Pema Pera: one fall back idea, which I may actually suggest, is to go back to the five ways of PaB

Pema Pera: relaxation, therapy, humanism, transcendtal, radical rest

Pema Pera: *transcendental

Pema Pera: (still trying to find better names for them)

Eliza Madrigal: Hm, yes... therapy is one of the five ways?

Pema Pera: perhaps number four could be "spiritual practice"

Pema Pera: well, they idea is this:

Pema Pera: the simplest way to use the 9 sec is to just relax

Pema Pera: no view, no plans, no aims, just letting off steam -- a good start for sure

Pema Pera: 2) do the 9 sec with some aim: to get more insight into your own functioning

Pema Pera: a kind of therapy

Pema Pera: 3) do it to make the world a better place, but without any religious aspect: humanism

Pema Pera: 4) to make the world a better place, but with some kind of extra inspiration, from spiritual practice

Pema Pera: 5) a radical "starting at the end" approach, where Being comes in

Pema Pera: interestingly, 5) is a kind of rest too -- Tilopa's last line!

sophia Placebo: Hello

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sophia! :)

Pema Pera: so there is a circle there . . . . 5) connects with 1)

Pema Pera: HI Sophia!

sophia Placebo: sorry iam late

Pema Pera: welcome!

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes I've applied it that way often... re 2.. sometimes 2/3/4 are mingled

Pema Pera: yes!

Pema Pera: in general, I find myself oscillating between different mixes of all five

Pema Pera: like mxing primary colors in making a painting

Eliza Madrigal smiles

Pema Pera: in fact, each minute that I'm working with PaB shows a different mix coming out . . .

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: That's inspiring Pema... the PaB practice pallete

sophia Placebo is reading up

Pema Pera: During the California retreat, we started off by going over each of the five orientations, as a first exploration/exercise/practice

Pema Pera: so we may want to do that in Malta too -- we'll see!

Eliza Madrigal: I've got to run. Nice to see you both, Pema and Sophia :)

Pema Pera: Bye Eliza!

sophia Placebo: to make the whole world better or to make your of the whole world better or just to make the world around you better

sophia Placebo: bye Eliza !

Eliza Madrigal: Hugs :)

Pema Pera: all of those, I think, Sophia -- at least in principle

Pema Pera: but not as a direct aim or goal

sophia Placebo: hello Bert

Pema Pera: rather as something that might happen by itself

Pema Pera: hi Bertram!

Bertram Jacobus: hello sophia and pema :-)

sophia Placebo: to make the world better by not participating

Pema Pera: or by not forcefully participating

Pema Pera: by not trying to shape the world according to limited ideals

Pema Pera: but instead by participating in ways that seem most natural, given each situation

Bertram Jacobus: tyvm for informing me sophia ! ... :-)

sophia Placebo: yw :)

sophia Placebo: hmm how could that be ? most natural vs limited ideals?

Pema Pera: Trying to live up to an ideal has the limitation that any ideal itself is limited

Pema Pera: Trying to live in a way that is most natural may be more flexible, more free, more open to whatever presents itself

Pema Pera: Hi Wol!

sophia Placebo: Hi wOL

Wol Euler: hello pema, sophia, bertram

Pema Pera: Does that make sense, Sophia?

Pema Pera: Or do you see it differently?

sophia Placebo: omg you are a pixil demon

Bertram Jacobus: hey wol ! ... :-)

Wol Euler: :)

sophia Placebo: hmm i got the idea of limited ideals but the oppiste is just another ideal

--BELL--

Wol Euler: hello magic, welcome to second life (8 days old :)

Magic Leimes: Hi wol

Magic Leimes: hi everyone

Pema Pera: Hi Magic!

sophia Placebo: Hello Magic :) we were not ignoring you but we practice 90 seconds of silence each 15 mints

Magic Leimes: hi sophia

Magic Leimes: hi pema

Wol Euler: have you been here before, magic?

Pema Pera: Yes, good point, Sophia. Any statement we make can become a kind of ideal. And any ideal can be held lightly and used in a natural way, so it is not a black-and-white situation, for sure

sophia Placebo nods

Wol Euler: ty sophia

sophia Placebo: np :)

sophia Placebo: can you explain starting at the end point ? i read some logs discussing it but i didnt get it really

Pema Pera: in general, many forms of spiritual practice start with the notion that we are missing something, and that we have to work hard to find something

Pema Pera: to reach a form of enlightenment, or insight, or realization

Pema Pera: and in many ways, such an approach can be very inspiring

Pema Pera: however, the Play as Being approach is different

Pema Pera: Starting with Being is a kind of focus on what is there already

Pema Pera: with Being, as always there, as a kind of resource

Pema Pera: so in that sense there is no path that we have to traverse, nothing to search for or reach for

Pema Pera: so you could say "we are already at the end of the path"

Pema Pera: and the challenge is then to express that kind of attitude

Pema Pera: to celebrate, rather than to search

sophia Placebo: hmm

sophia Placebo: so i can celebrate the searching urge too no ?

Pema Pera: oh sure! And search for ways to celebrate as well -- it is more a difference in orientation than in action

sophia Placebo: ok i get it now , thank you

Bertram Jacobus: isn´t the dsog chen approach similar pema ?

Pema Pera: and besides, that is my interpretation; if others have other ones, that's fine too, and I'd be happy to hear and learn from them

Pema Pera: yes, it is Bertram, and zo is zen, and zo is Hinduist Advaita Vedanta as well as various other approaches in other religions

--BELL--

Bertram Jacobus: i´m happy to be here, hear the birds sing, the water sound, quite calm with you people here - ty ...

Pema Pera: :)

Pema Pera: Do you have any questions about Play as Being, Magic?

Magic Leimes: Nope ;-)

Wol Euler: :)

Pema Pera: :>)

Bertram Jacobus: (she crashed) ...

Wol Euler: ah well

Bertram Jacobus: all seem to be happy here (?) ... :-)

Wol Euler: very :)

Bertram Jacobus: how do you know wol ? ;-)

Wol Euler: well, I only speak for myself

Wol Euler: as always

Bertram Jacobus: ah !

Bertram Jacobus: okayy ! ... :o)

Pema Pera thinks that Bert may well have guessed right :)

Bertram Jacobus: and are there any reasons for it wol ? :-)

Wol Euler: in my case, I had a good week and a nice morning today and the anticipation of a fairly calm day tomorrow

Wol Euler: belly full of sushi and a cup of tea help too

Wol Euler shrugs. I'm a dog, feed me and I become happy.

Bertram Jacobus: hehe. i see. and what was fine about the last week ? work conditions ? :-)

Bertram Jacobus: lol

Pema Pera: My day started, formally, with this session, at midnight . . . and I think it's time for me to get some sleep :-) It's about 1 am here.

Wol Euler: well, boss was out for two days, so I had peace and quiet to get some work done! :)

Wol Euler: ah, yes. well earned, pema

Wol Euler: sleep well, take care

Bertram Jacobus: ah okay pema - then have a nice nite please ! :-)

Pema Pera: bye for now, enjoy your days!

Wol Euler: wb magic

Magic Leimes: thank you

Bertram Jacobus: today i saw a dog, just free from his cord, started to run into a park - SO happy ! :-))

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Bertram Jacobus: i like to see that , notice that sometimes ... :-)

Bertram Jacobus: pure joy of life ...

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Bertram Jacobus: so nice

Wol Euler: little children are like that too, their emotions are so close to the surface

Bertram Jacobus: hm ! but i don´t see a similar example to that strong acivity linked with joy as the picture i told ... ;-)

sophia Placebo: bye pema

Wol Euler: it wasn't meant to compete or contrast :)

Bertram Jacobus: ah. okay ... very kind wol ... :-)

--BELL--

sophia Placebo: i g2g , seems wol is stuck in animation though :)

Wol Euler: bye sophia, enjoy the weekend

Magic Leimes: bye sophia

Wol Euler: I look ok to myself, what am I doing?

Bertram Jacobus: bye sophia, i´ll dismiss you im ... ;-)

Magic Leimes: i dont see you very well wol

Bertram Jacobus: nothing here wol

Bertram Jacobus: all ok here also

Bertram Jacobus: very special outfit wol - you created it by your own ? :-)

Wol Euler: ty

Magic Leimes: you look great wol

Wol Euler: oh no, my talents are not *nearly* enough to make this

Wol Euler: and ty

Wol Euler: it's by one of Alpha Auer's many alts

Wol Euler: (she of Not Possible In Real Life group)

Bertram Jacobus: alpha auer ! not possible in real life group ! whaow ... ;o)

Bertram Jacobus: you know things and people wol (!) ... ;-)

Wol Euler smiles

Wol Euler: I read a lot, and am not shy about talking to strangers

Bertram Jacobus: reading ... hm ... :-)

Wol Euler: :')

Bertram Jacobus: the not shy to strangers - that´s something i have, too ... :-)

Bertram Jacobus: did this avatar have a name ?

Wol Euler: yep, let me check which it was :)

Wol Euler: Alpho Fullstop

Bertram Jacobus: special !

Bertram Jacobus: very special

Wol Euler: the shop is called alpha.tribe

Bertram Jacobus: creative ... imaginative ...

Wol Euler: very

Bertram Jacobus: are your face proportions different with it or is it only illusion ? ;-)

Wol Euler: it's not my usual skin, that makes an amazingly strong difference

Wol Euler: my shape is the same, no physical changes

Bertram Jacobus: okayy ...

Magic Leimes: your eyes is amazing wol

Wol Euler smiles. Thank you, they are by a friend of mine, the store is called Pulse

Magic Leimes: ok ;-)

Wol Euler: good clothes too, and she makes (hand-paints) wonderful skins, the best human skins in SL

Magic Leimes: I wil have a look

Magic Leimes: thank you ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: the best human skins in sl ? did you ever see the redgrave skins ? ;-)

Wol Euler: yw

Magic Leimes: thanks wol

Wol Euler: mm, don't know them

Bertram Jacobus: (...) ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: but i´m now also a bit curious

Wol Euler: but they'd have to be superhumanly good to beat Lorac

--BELL--

Magic Leimes: thanks wol

Magic Leimes: so many skins shops in second life

Wol Euler: but so few good ones.

Wol Euler: IMHO YMMV

Magic Leimes: ;-)

Wol Euler: ty bert, I'll have a look

Bertram Jacobus: i think, i have some pulse eyes too, but don´t remember skins from there ...

Bertram Jacobus: but now saw the pic from the lm ... okay ... may be redgrave is even ... in my opinion, not humble ... ;o)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: well, my dears, I am going to go check out redgrave :)

Wol Euler: enjoy the afternoon, perhaps see you later on

Bertram Jacobus: great wol - was again very nice to meet you ! :-)

Magic Leimes: have a good afternoon wol

Wol Euler: ty, and likewise :)

Magic Leimes: nice meeting you

Bertram Jacobus: :-)

Magic Leimes: bye thanks x

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