2010.01.18 13:00 - SL Experience?

Bertram Jacobus: you have crash problems mick ? is that new ?

Tarmel Udimo: Is this still Stim's session?

Mickorod Renard: well, I am having to use my old pc

Bertram Jacobus: sry - i have no idea tarmel

Mickorod Renard: no

Bertram Jacobus: why is that mick ?

Mickorod Renard: I have taken the role of cover gaurdian

Mickorod Renard: Stim is too busy at the moment

Bertram Jacobus: nice little dragon tarmel ... ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: what about your "norma" computer mick ?

Mickorod Renard: I used to do this time tommorow

Bertram Jacobus: "normal"*

Mickorod Renard: well, I have one that is sick,,and away with someone trying to fix it

Bertram Jacobus: oh i see

Mickorod Renard: and the laptop is away with my partner

Bertram Jacobus: okay ...

Tarmel Udimo: tks about dragon

Mickorod Renard: {)

Mickorod Renard: yes, lovely dragon

Tarmel Udimo: oh ok about Stim, I had hoped to meet up with him afterwards

Mickorod Renard: there is no knowing when we will see Stim next

Mickorod Renard: he is still exploring SL

Mickorod Renard: I swapped my usual slot so that I could go to Maxines dream workshop

Mickorod Renard: which clashed

Qt Core: hi Agatha, lovely title

Agatha Macbeth: Thanks!

Agatha Macbeth: Or should I say grazi :)

Mickorod Renard: nice outfit too Agatha

Agatha Macbeth: TY :)

Agatha Macbeth: No topic yet then Mick?

Mickorod Renard: no

Mickorod Renard: your welcome to start one

Agatha Macbeth: Er......

Mickorod Renard: he he

Mickorod Renard: I keep thinking of one then deleting it

Mickorod Renard: before posting

Agatha Macbeth: Go on Mick!

Mickorod Renard: naaaaa,,,too stupid

Mickorod Renard: I will try harder

Agatha Macbeth: No, go on....

Agatha Macbeth: :)

Mickorod Renard: :)

Mickorod Renard: I was just thinking how much shelf life SL has in the average person

Bertram Jacobus: the deleted ones often are the most interesting ones ... ;-)

Agatha Macbeth: Shelf life?

Mickorod Renard: is it stimulus,,or is it a way of life

Agatha Macbeth: A way of second life? :)

Mickorod Renard: yes, I mean,,,does one wake up one day and say,,thats enough

Mickorod Renard: yes..a way of second life

Zon Quar: depends

Qt Core: more likely one fall asleep on work and say it is enough ;-)

Agatha Macbeth: :)

Zon Quar: i think i will be here forever

Mickorod Renard: true

Bertram Jacobus: depends on what please zon ?

Mickorod Renard: yes?

Mickorod Renard: I am over two years old now

Zon Quar: ur needs

Bertram Jacobus: ah ok

Zon Quar: and ur imagination

Mickorod Renard: yes

Mickorod Renard: and frame of mind,,either one way or the other

Zon Quar: iv found this increasingly interesting

Bertram Jacobus: my impression is, virtual worlds will grow more and more and develop ...

Zon Quar: so many levels

Mickorod Renard: yes?

Mickorod Renard: sl?

Zon Quar: so easy to contact

Mickorod Renard: or this line of question?

Agatha Macbeth: I think so too Bert

Tarmel Udimo: yes and yet the deepre one becomes immersed in SL, the more I appreciate the immediacy of RL

Agatha Macbeth: Hi SSL :)

Zon Quar: i dont contrast sl or rl, they r different dimensions and shuold be used taking that into account

Mickorod Renard: thats very true Zon

Tarmel Udimo: Ok, I guess I am moving in another direction, they are both dimensions of me

Mickorod Renard: well, maybe this is an interesting point

Zon Quar: of course

Mickorod Renard: perhaps the restraint of having to keep in one character in rl is something of a problem

Tarmel Udimo: and although they have different 'rules' I am trying to approach them from both the same perspective

Zon Quar: hi Ara

Tarmel Udimo: hi arabella

Mickorod Renard: and sL LIBERATES THAT OTHER INNER SELF?

Mickorod Renard: oops

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

Tarmel Udimo: well I think alot of people think it does

Zon Quar: many of us have many selfes in rl

Tarmel Udimo: yes exactly

Zon Quar: here we can be conscious of them

Tarmel Udimo: but for some reason, there is this assumption that in SL things are going to be different

Zon Quar: hm..what way

Tarmel Udimo: but ultimatley we are always left facing how we really are

Zon Quar: thats the game of life

Tarmel Udimo: sure

Zon Quar: trying to find our true self

Mickorod Renard: yes

Zon Quar: this is not me..this is not me..

Bertram Jacobus: ("... always similarities and differences, everywhere ...")

Zon Quar: life is full of analogies

Tarmel Udimo: I mean do people feel different in SL

Tarmel Udimo: have they found new ways of being here?

Tarmel Udimo: people in this group?

Zon Quar: SL can be very intensive expereince

Bertram Jacobus: sure i did

Tarmel Udimo: in what way?

Zon Quar: more than normal rl routines

Bertram Jacobus: sexual experiences for example

Zon Quar: time gets focused

Zon Quar: ur more focused

Tarmel Udimo: ok, do you want to talk about that some more betram

Zon Quar: and the anonimity of course has an effect

Tarmel Udimo: I think this is a big question for many people in SL:)

Zon Quar: to free u to expressurself more freely

Tarmel Udimo: yes Zon, that's what I was addressing before

Bertram Jacobus: i find it quite simple : here one can try out what is not so easy in rl - and when done - satisfied - and one can go further on, not so surpressed and such - kinda normalizing, takin limitations away - on the one hand at least+

Tarmel Udimo: this assumption, but I really wonder

Zon Quar: sl can be a good therapy for rl for some sure

Zon Quar: but ithink its more

Tarmel Udimo: well that's the most positive approach i have heard so far;)

SophiaSharon Larnia: depends on whata person is looing for, to be more 'themself' or to live a fantasy, its very different for everyone

Tarmel Udimo: nods

SophiaSharon Larnia: looking*

Tarmel Udimo: this is an interesting thing Sophia

Zon Quar: what is our rl..isnt it a fantasy too

Tarmel Udimo: most people don't think it is a fanatsy

Tarmel Udimo: that they are changing by lets say these sexual expereinces

Zon Quar: most do

Tarmel Udimo: nods

Zon Quar: all expereinces that effect ur mind r real

Tarmel Udimo: has it changed how you approach your sexulaity in RL Bertram?

arabella Ella: so the question arises, does our experience on SL change what we do or think in RL too?

Zon Quar: i think so

Tarmel Udimo: yes, except its important in PaB to keep it expereincial rather than an idea

Mickorod Renard: I find that some of what we do in the classes and here are effective in rl

Tarmel Udimo: how so Mic?

Bertram Jacobus: don´t really know tarmel ... oh - while writing i notice : yes, it did change ;-)

arabella Ella: SL helps us to get to know our own selves much better i find

Tarmel Udimo: nods

Zon Quar: if i watch a movie that makes me think differenly, it can also make me act differently in RL

Mickorod Renard: well,if nothing else, one is foccussing on methods of understanding,,rather than doing chores that are often numbing of the mind

SophiaSharon Larnia: are you writing about this idea, Tarmel :)

arabella Ella: we are free here to let our RL selves emerge if we wish ... and that is a lesson in itself

Tarmel Udimo: hehehe Mic;)

Zon Quar: nods to Ara

Archmage Atlantis: Hello, everyone :)

Tarmel Udimo: (no Sophia but I have had a number of expereinces lately that makes me more curious about the effects)

Zon Quar: it depends on person

Mickorod Renard: also,,if I may say,,its gives one a glimmer of a perspective that there are others like us who like to explore our thoughts and views

Mickorod Renard: oops

Agatha Macbeth: Sssh! ;-)

Mickorod Renard: :)

Zon Quar: hi Arch

Mickorod Renard: are we talking about sex?

Agatha Macbeth: Are we? :)

Tarmel Udimo: we were;0

Zon Quar: sex is also important subject

Mickorod Renard: could do..perhaps later

SophiaSharon Larnia: i see 3 camps here, people who insist on 'keeping it real, ones exploring themselves and others immerse in fantasy. These overlap experientially, but seem delineated in profiles :)

Agatha Macbeth: gins

Agatha Macbeth: grins

Tarmel Udimo: ahhh

Zon Quar: i have hear different categories

Archmage Atlantis: Dropping into the midst of a conversation, ......apparently biological..... and one thought came powerfully through my mind

Zon Quar: 1) role players

Zon Quar: 2) face bookers

Tarmel Udimo: hahaha

Zon Quar: 3) immersialists

Tarmel Udimo: do these link up to Sophias in some way:)

Zon Quar: hm

Zon Quar: 1 means

SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm i dont know what a face booker is :)

Archmage Atlantis: From Pogo

Zon Quar: playing

Zon Quar: and knowing that

Zon Quar: 2) means

Zon Quar: sl is just a tool to conatct ppl

SophiaSharon Larnia: ah

Zon Quar: like telephone

Agatha Macbeth: Works though :)

Zon Quar: like this gropu i guess

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

Qt Core: amen to that Zon

arabella Ella: to network you mean?

Zon Quar: yup

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes they do link up

Zon Quar: 3) is interesting

Zon Quar: they r themselves

Zon Quar: but

Zon Quar: do different experiences

Zon Quar: sex

Zon Quar: bdsm

Zon Quar: marry

SophiaSharon Larnia: nods

Tarmel Udimo: nods

Zon Quar: dress as girls

Zon Quar: lol

arabella Ella: some have babies on SL too

Mickorod Renard: maybe we do already?

Zon Quar: but its not just roleplaying

Mickorod Renard: my true self will be revealed next week

Tarmel Udimo: ok

Zon Quar: it is their inner being

SophiaSharon Larnia: lol

Zon Quar: experiencing different sides

Agatha Macbeth: Can't wait Mick :)

Mickorod Renard: at the retreat

Agatha Macbeth: Oh

arabella Ella: :)

Agatha Macbeth: Never mind

Zon Quar: so real unreal is only for teh roleplayers

SophiaSharon Larnia: ok i like your refinement better Zon, the immersialists idea

Tarmel Udimo: yes this is interesting

Tarmel Udimo: can one keep it real and also be immersed?

Zon Quar: define real

Zon Quar: all tha effects ur mind...

Tarmel Udimo: wwell joining the ones that want to keep it real and the ones that allows their AV to be immersed

SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm

Archmage Atlantis: There is a new symbol to put at the end of a sentence,,,,,like :).... only it means the sentence was meant with some degree of sarcasm

arabella Ella: or with a smile Arch

Mickorod Renard: I think I ..whats the word,,exploit for rl perposes

Agatha Macbeth: I'll remember that one Arch :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: i mean itjust to smile Arch, not sarcastic

Mickorod Renard: purposes

Mickorod Renard: :)

arabella Ella: some people i think may be on SL for exploitation purposes ... exploiting vulerabilities of others

Agatha Macbeth: True I guess

Zon Quar: like in rl ?

Agatha Macbeth: Uh huh

Tarmel Udimo: nods

Mickorod Renard: yes, but exploitation has diferent meanings in dif contexts

Archmage Atlantis: Like all people everywhere

arabella Ella: yes

Zon Quar: nods

Tarmel Udimo: how so Mic?

Archmage Atlantis: Some are one way, some are anotgher

arabella Ella: exploitation as in taking advantage of people who may perhaps be naive or weak or whatever

Mickorod Renard: I surely needed something,,and I found it here on sl

arabella Ella: gullible too perhaps

Zon Quar: so one needs to be careful here as in rl

arabella Ella: oh yes

Agatha Macbeth: mmm

Tarmel Udimo: the issue of trust is a big one!

arabella Ella: the anonymity can attract more people with devious purposes

arabella Ella: they then hide behind their avi mask

Zon Quar: have u asked urselfves why ur here in sl ?

Agatha Macbeth: As always Tarm :)

Tarmel Udimo: nods

Mickorod Renard: others who are timid ,,can become more open

Mickorod Renard: it works either way

arabella Ella: i think most of us must have asked that question to ourselves Zon ... yes

Mickorod Renard: the answer is always changing too

Tarmel Udimo: agree

Mickorod Renard: as one moves from one epoche in life to another

Zon Quar: so sl must fullfill something that is not in rl ?

arabella Ella: would you be able to speak about your own experience which you mentioned previously Tarmel?

Mickorod Renard: is that the right word??epoche?

Archmage Atlantis: That is why I am who I am, as best I can be here and in RL.........but I do admit to using lack of providing unquestioned informatation as a ????... tool......:???

SophiaSharon Larnia: or add to it a bit, Zon

Tarmel Udimo: well it was around trust and working with people

--BELL--

arabella Ella: and perhaps expectations either being too high or not being met Tarmel?

arabella Ella: ooops

Mickorod Renard: Personaly, there is nothing I do on sl that I wouldnt like to do in Rl,,its just dificult to find convenient means in Rl

Mickorod Renard: oops

Zon Quar: yes but sl provides us all something we dont have in rl, otherwise we wouldnt be here, that "more" is different to different ppl of course

arabella Ella: someone here recently told me if you listen privately to each persons reasons for being here, most of them are very similar

Tarmel Udimo: nods

Mickorod Renard: well, I am looking for it in rl,,whatever it is,,and maybe i will find it

Agatha Macbeth: :)

Qt Core: especially if you ask it to the group of people you meet on a regular basis

arabella Ella: yes

Mickorod Renard: Where are you Agatha?

Agatha Macbeth: I'm here Mick!

Mickorod Renard: eureka

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

Agatha Macbeth: I don't! :)

Mickorod Renard: :)

arabella Ella: thought you were having a nap on your keyboard Agatha

arabella Ella: missed your irony

Tarmel Udimo: When trying to work with people in Sl I need to know who they are in RL because ultimatley this is where it counts >Ara

Agatha Macbeth: In a listening mood tonight.....

Agatha Macbeth: (Also have a cold)

arabella Ella: yes Tarmel i agree

Mickorod Renard: hang on,,need to digest what Tarmel said

Archmage Atlantis: I am a believer, Mick, and you will find what you seek,.........the issue for me is always "what am I really seeking>"

arabella Ella: ah ... gws Agatha ... wish u a speedy recovery

Agatha Macbeth: TY Ara :)

Mickorod Renard: thats true Arch,,

Zon Quar: nods to Arch

Tarmel Udimo: well Mick, because some people don't present who they are in SL, I need to have something more solid, hence wanting to know them a little in RL

Qt Core: and sometimes the problem is knowing that you are seeking

Mickorod Renard: mmm,,anytime Tarmel:

Agatha Macbeth: ;-)

arabella Ella: please join us at the retreat next week Tarmel would be lovely to meet you too :)

Tarmel Udimo: that would be great, but I won't be able to until maybe the one in Germany:)

arabella Ella: well hope to see you in Germany in October then :)

Tarmel Udimo: yes...

Tarmel Udimo: that would be nice, I a m saving my pennies

arabella Ella: yes it will be a long trip for you

Agatha Macbeth: Where exactly are you Tarm?

arabella Ella: but back to the topic you raised ... i too find trust very important here

Archmage Atlantis: The grape harvest the making of the new Reisling wines :)

Agatha Macbeth: Yum :)

Tarmel Udimo: In Australia Agatha

Agatha Macbeth: Oooh long way!

Tarmel Udimo: nods

arabella Ella: what surprises me here at PaB is how the community has been sustained over time ... i think this is one amazing feat

Mickorod Renard: so, would you say that much reserch is needed to tailor future developement of sl ?

Mickorod Renard: and if so what sort of questions?

Bertram Jacobus: sry - i was not very present here today ... and now even leaving ("lol") ... thankss anyway for the talk and have a nice time all ! *wave* ...

SophiaSharon Larnia: waves

Mickorod Renard: Bert left early

Mickorod Renard: :(

Archmage Atlantis: Time to go back to the dance......Bless all of you, each and every one :)

Tarmel Udimo: and me too

Tarmel Udimo: nice talking to you all

Agatha Macbeth: G'night tarm

arabella Ella: bye Tarmel thanks for the topics :)

Mickorod Renard: I must go too

Tarmel Udimo: and have a great retreat

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye all who are leaving :)

Mickorod Renard: yes, thanks Tarmel

arabella Ella: thanks :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: and me too, bye for now :)