2010.01.18 13:00 - SL Experience?

    The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard.

    Bertram Jacobus: you have crash problems mick ? is that new ?

    Tarmel Udimo: Is this still Stim's session?

    Mickorod Renard: well, I am having to use my old pc

    Bertram Jacobus: sry - i have no idea tarmel

    Mickorod Renard: no

    Bertram Jacobus: why is that mick ?

    Mickorod Renard: I have taken the role of cover gaurdian

    Mickorod Renard: Stim is too busy at the moment

    Bertram Jacobus: nice little dragon tarmel ... ;-)

    Bertram Jacobus: what about your "norma" computer mick ?

    Mickorod Renard: I used to do this time tommorow

    Bertram Jacobus: "normal"*

    Mickorod Renard: well, I have one that is sick,,and away with someone trying to fix it

    Bertram Jacobus: oh i see

    Mickorod Renard: and the laptop is away with my partner

    Bertram Jacobus: okay ...

    Tarmel Udimo: tks about dragon

    Mickorod Renard: {)

    Mickorod Renard: yes, lovely dragon

    Tarmel Udimo: oh ok about Stim, I had hoped to meet up with him afterwards

    Mickorod Renard: there is no knowing when we will see Stim next

    Mickorod Renard: he is still exploring SL

    Mickorod Renard: I swapped my usual slot so that I could go to Maxines dream workshop

    Mickorod Renard: which clashed

    Qt Core: hi Agatha, lovely title

    Agatha Macbeth: Thanks!

    Agatha Macbeth: Or should I say grazi :)

    Mickorod Renard: nice outfit too Agatha

    Agatha Macbeth: TY :)

    Agatha Macbeth: No topic yet then Mick?

    Mickorod Renard: no

    Mickorod Renard: your welcome to start one

    Agatha Macbeth: Er......

    Mickorod Renard: he he

    Mickorod Renard: I keep thinking of one then deleting it

    Mickorod Renard: before posting

    Agatha Macbeth: Go on Mick!

    Mickorod Renard: naaaaa,,,too stupid

    Mickorod Renard: I will try harder

    Agatha Macbeth: No, go on....

    Agatha Macbeth: :)

    Mickorod Renard: :)

    Mickorod Renard: I was just thinking how much shelf life SL has in the average person

    Bertram Jacobus: the deleted ones often are the most interesting ones ... ;-)

    Agatha Macbeth: Shelf life?

    Mickorod Renard: is it stimulus,,or is it a way of life

    Agatha Macbeth: A way of second life? :)

    Mickorod Renard: yes, I mean,,,does one wake up one day and say,,thats enough

    Mickorod Renard: yes..a way of second life

    Zon Quar: depends

    Qt Core: more likely one fall asleep on work and say it is enough ;-)

    Agatha Macbeth: :)

    Zon Quar: i think i will be here forever

    Mickorod Renard: true

    Bertram Jacobus: depends on what please zon ?

    Mickorod Renard: yes?

    Mickorod Renard: I am over two years old now

    Zon Quar: ur needs

    Bertram Jacobus: ah ok

    Zon Quar: and ur imagination

    Mickorod Renard: yes

    Mickorod Renard: and frame of mind,,either one way or the other

    Zon Quar: iv found this increasingly interesting

    Bertram Jacobus: my impression is, virtual worlds will grow more and more and develop ...

    Zon Quar: so many levels

    Mickorod Renard: yes?

    Mickorod Renard: sl?

    Zon Quar: so easy to contact

    Mickorod Renard: or this line of question?

    Agatha Macbeth: I think so too Bert

    Tarmel Udimo: yes and yet the deepre one becomes immersed in SL, the more I appreciate the immediacy of RL

    Agatha Macbeth: Hi SSL :)

    Zon Quar: i dont contrast sl or rl, they r different dimensions and shuold be used taking that into account

    Mickorod Renard: thats very true Zon

    Tarmel Udimo: Ok, I guess I am moving in another direction, they are both dimensions of me

    Mickorod Renard: well, maybe this is an interesting point

    Zon Quar: of course

    Mickorod Renard: perhaps the restraint of having to keep in one character in rl is something of a problem

    Tarmel Udimo: and although they have different 'rules' I am trying to approach them from both the same perspective

    Zon Quar: hi Ara

    Tarmel Udimo: hi arabella

    Mickorod Renard: and sL LIBERATES THAT OTHER INNER SELF?

    Mickorod Renard: oops

    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    Tarmel Udimo: well I think alot of people think it does

    Zon Quar: many of us have many selfes in rl

    Tarmel Udimo: yes exactly

    Zon Quar: here we can be conscious of them

    Tarmel Udimo: but for some reason, there is this assumption that in SL things are going to be different

    Zon Quar: hm..what way

    Tarmel Udimo: but ultimatley we are always left facing how we really are

    Zon Quar: thats the game of life

    Tarmel Udimo: sure

    Zon Quar: trying to find our true self

    Mickorod Renard: yes

    Zon Quar: this is not me..this is not me..

    Bertram Jacobus: ("... always similarities and differences, everywhere ...")

    Zon Quar: life is full of analogies

    Tarmel Udimo: I mean do people feel different in SL

    Tarmel Udimo: have they found new ways of being here?

    Tarmel Udimo: people in this group?

    Zon Quar: SL can be very intensive expereince

    Bertram Jacobus: sure i did

    Tarmel Udimo: in what way?

    Zon Quar: more than normal rl routines

    Bertram Jacobus: sexual experiences for example

    Zon Quar: time gets focused

    Zon Quar: ur more focused

    Tarmel Udimo: ok, do you want to talk about that some more betram

    Zon Quar: and the anonimity of course has an effect

    Tarmel Udimo: I think this is a big question for many people in SL:)

    Zon Quar: to free u to expressurself more freely

    Tarmel Udimo: yes Zon, that's what I was addressing before

    Bertram Jacobus: i find it quite simple : here one can try out what is not so easy in rl - and when done - satisfied - and one can go further on, not so surpressed and such - kinda normalizing, takin limitations away - on the one hand at least+

    Tarmel Udimo: this assumption, but I really wonder

    Zon Quar: sl can be a good therapy for rl for some sure

    Zon Quar: but ithink its more

    Tarmel Udimo: well that's the most positive approach i have heard so far;)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: depends on whata person is looing for, to be more 'themself' or to live a fantasy, its very different for everyone

    Tarmel Udimo: nods

    SophiaSharon Larnia: looking*

    Tarmel Udimo: this is an interesting thing Sophia

    Zon Quar: what is our rl..isnt it a fantasy too

    Tarmel Udimo: most people don't think it is a fanatsy

    Tarmel Udimo: that they are changing by lets say these sexual expereinces

    Zon Quar: most do

    Tarmel Udimo: nods

    Zon Quar: all expereinces that effect ur mind r real

    Tarmel Udimo: has it changed how you approach your sexulaity in RL Bertram?

    arabella Ella: so the question arises, does our experience on SL change what we do or think in RL too?

    Zon Quar: i think so

    Tarmel Udimo: yes, except its important in PaB to keep it expereincial rather than an idea

    Mickorod Renard: I find that some of what we do in the classes and here are effective in rl

    Tarmel Udimo: how so Mic?

    Bertram Jacobus: don´t really know tarmel ... oh - while writing i notice : yes, it did change ;-)

    arabella Ella: SL helps us to get to know our own selves much better i find

    Tarmel Udimo: nods

    Zon Quar: if i watch a movie that makes me think differenly, it can also make me act differently in RL

    Mickorod Renard: well,if nothing else, one is foccussing on methods of understanding,,rather than doing chores that are often numbing of the mind

    SophiaSharon Larnia: are you writing about this idea, Tarmel :)

    arabella Ella: we are free here to let our RL selves emerge if we wish ... and that is a lesson in itself

    Tarmel Udimo: hehehe Mic;)

    Zon Quar: nods to Ara

    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, everyone :)

    Tarmel Udimo: (no Sophia but I have had a number of expereinces lately that makes me more curious about the effects)

    Zon Quar: it depends on person

    Mickorod Renard: also,,if I may say,,its gives one a glimmer of a perspective that there are others like us who like to explore our thoughts and views

    Mickorod Renard: oops

    Agatha Macbeth: Sssh! ;-)

    Mickorod Renard: :)

    Zon Quar: hi Arch

    Mickorod Renard: are we talking about sex?

    Agatha Macbeth: Are we? :)

    Tarmel Udimo: we were;0

    Zon Quar: sex is also important subject

    Mickorod Renard: could do..perhaps later

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i see 3 camps here, people who insist on 'keeping it real, ones exploring themselves and others immerse in fantasy. These overlap experientially, but seem delineated in profiles :)

    Agatha Macbeth: gins

    Agatha Macbeth: grins

    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh

    Zon Quar: i have hear different categories

    Archmage Atlantis: Dropping into the midst of a conversation, ......apparently biological..... and one thought came powerfully through my mind

    Zon Quar: 1) role players

    Zon Quar: 2) face bookers

    Tarmel Udimo: hahaha

    Zon Quar: 3) immersialists

    Tarmel Udimo: do these link up to Sophias in some way:)

    Zon Quar: hm

    Zon Quar: 1 means

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm i dont know what a face booker is :)

    Archmage Atlantis: From Pogo

    Zon Quar: playing

    Zon Quar: and knowing that

    Zon Quar: 2) means

    Zon Quar: sl is just a tool to conatct ppl

    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah

    Zon Quar: like telephone

    Agatha Macbeth: Works though :)

    Zon Quar: like this gropu i guess

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes

    Qt Core: amen to that Zon

    arabella Ella: to network you mean?

    Zon Quar: yup

    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes they do link up

    Zon Quar: 3) is interesting

    Zon Quar: they r themselves

    Zon Quar: but

    Zon Quar: do different experiences

    Zon Quar: sex

    Zon Quar: bdsm

    Zon Quar: marry

    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods

    Tarmel Udimo: nods

    Zon Quar: dress as girls

    Zon Quar: lol

    arabella Ella: some have babies on SL too

    Mickorod Renard: maybe we do already?

    Zon Quar: but its not just roleplaying

    Mickorod Renard: my true self will be revealed next week

    Tarmel Udimo: ok

    Zon Quar: it is their inner being

    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol

    Zon Quar: experiencing different sides

    Agatha Macbeth: Can't wait Mick :)

    Mickorod Renard: at the retreat

    Agatha Macbeth: Oh

    arabella Ella: :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Never mind

    Zon Quar: so real unreal is only for teh roleplayers

    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok i like your refinement better Zon, the immersialists idea

    Tarmel Udimo: yes this is interesting

    Tarmel Udimo: can one keep it real and also be immersed?

    Zon Quar: define real

    Zon Quar: all tha effects ur mind...

    Tarmel Udimo: wwell joining the ones that want to keep it real and the ones that allows their AV to be immersed

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm

    Archmage Atlantis: There is a new symbol to put at the end of a sentence,,,,,like :).... only it means the sentence was meant with some degree of sarcasm

    arabella Ella: or with a smile Arch

    Mickorod Renard: I think I ..whats the word,,exploit for rl perposes

    Agatha Macbeth: I'll remember that one Arch :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: i mean itjust to smile Arch, not sarcastic

    Mickorod Renard: purposes

    Mickorod Renard: :)

    arabella Ella: some people i think may be on SL for exploitation purposes ... exploiting vulerabilities of others

    Agatha Macbeth: True I guess

    Zon Quar: like in rl ?

    Agatha Macbeth: Uh huh

    Tarmel Udimo: nods

    Mickorod Renard: yes, but exploitation has diferent meanings in dif contexts

    Archmage Atlantis: Like all people everywhere

    arabella Ella: yes

    Zon Quar: nods

    Tarmel Udimo: how so Mic?

    Archmage Atlantis: Some are one way, some are anotgher

    arabella Ella: exploitation as in taking advantage of people who may perhaps be naive or weak or whatever

    Mickorod Renard: I surely needed something,,and I found it here on sl

    arabella Ella: gullible too perhaps

    Zon Quar: so one needs to be careful here as in rl

    arabella Ella: oh yes

    Agatha Macbeth: mmm

    Tarmel Udimo: the issue of trust is a big one!

    arabella Ella: the anonymity can attract more people with devious purposes

    arabella Ella: they then hide behind their avi mask

    Zon Quar: have u asked urselfves why ur here in sl ?

    Agatha Macbeth: As always Tarm :)

    Tarmel Udimo: nods

    Mickorod Renard: others who are timid ,,can become more open

    Mickorod Renard: it works either way

    arabella Ella: i think most of us must have asked that question to ourselves Zon ... yes

    Mickorod Renard: the answer is always changing too

    Tarmel Udimo: agree

    Mickorod Renard: as one moves from one epoche in life to another

    Zon Quar: so sl must fullfill something that is not in rl ?

    arabella Ella: would you be able to speak about your own experience which you mentioned previously Tarmel?

    Mickorod Renard: is that the right word??epoche?

    Archmage Atlantis: That is why I am who I am, as best I can be here and in RL.........but I do admit to using lack of providing unquestioned informatation as a ????... tool......:???

    SophiaSharon Larnia: or add to it a bit, Zon

    Tarmel Udimo: well it was around trust and working with people


    arabella Ella: and perhaps expectations either being too high or not being met Tarmel?

    arabella Ella: ooops

    Mickorod Renard: Personaly, there is nothing I do on sl that I wouldnt like to do in Rl,,its just dificult to find convenient means in Rl

    Mickorod Renard: oops

    Zon Quar: yes but sl provides us all something we dont have in rl, otherwise we wouldnt be here, that "more" is different to different ppl of course

    arabella Ella: someone here recently told me if you listen privately to each persons reasons for being here, most of them are very similar

    Tarmel Udimo: nods

    Mickorod Renard: well, I am looking for it in rl,,whatever it is,,and maybe i will find it

    Agatha Macbeth: :)

    Qt Core: especially if you ask it to the group of people you meet on a regular basis

    arabella Ella: yes

    Mickorod Renard: Where are you Agatha?

    Agatha Macbeth: I'm here Mick!

    Mickorod Renard: eureka

    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

    Agatha Macbeth: I don't! :)

    Mickorod Renard: :)

    arabella Ella: thought you were having a nap on your keyboard Agatha

    arabella Ella: missed your irony

    Tarmel Udimo: When trying to work with people in Sl I need to know who they are in RL because ultimatley this is where it counts >Ara

    Agatha Macbeth: In a listening mood tonight.....

    Agatha Macbeth: (Also have a cold)

    arabella Ella: yes Tarmel i agree

    Mickorod Renard: hang on,,need to digest what Tarmel said

    Archmage Atlantis: I am a believer, Mick, and you will find what you seek,.........the issue for me is always "what am I really seeking>"

    arabella Ella: ah ... gws Agatha ... wish u a speedy recovery

    Agatha Macbeth: TY Ara :)

    Mickorod Renard: thats true Arch,,

    Zon Quar: nods to Arch

    Tarmel Udimo: well Mick, because some people don't present who they are in SL, I need to have something more solid, hence wanting to know them a little in RL

    Qt Core: and sometimes the problem is knowing that you are seeking

    Mickorod Renard: mmm,,anytime Tarmel:

    Agatha Macbeth: ;-)

    arabella Ella: please join us at the retreat next week Tarmel would be lovely to meet you too :)

    Tarmel Udimo: that would be great, but I won't be able to until maybe the one in Germany:)

    arabella Ella: well hope to see you in Germany in October then :)

    Tarmel Udimo: yes...

    Tarmel Udimo: that would be nice, I a m saving my pennies

    arabella Ella: yes it will be a long trip for you

    Agatha Macbeth: Where exactly are you Tarm?

    arabella Ella: but back to the topic you raised ... i too find trust very important here

    Archmage Atlantis: The grape harvest the making of the new Reisling wines :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Yum :)

    Tarmel Udimo: In Australia Agatha

    Agatha Macbeth: Oooh long way!

    Tarmel Udimo: nods

    arabella Ella: what surprises me here at PaB is how the community has been sustained over time ... i think this is one amazing feat

    Mickorod Renard: so, would you say that much reserch is needed to tailor future developement of sl ?

    Mickorod Renard: and if so what sort of questions?

    Bertram Jacobus: sry - i was not very present here today ... and now even leaving ("lol") ... thankss anyway for the talk and have a nice time all ! *wave* ...

    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves

    Mickorod Renard: Bert left early

    Mickorod Renard: :(

    Archmage Atlantis: Time to go back to the dance......Bless all of you, each and every one :)

    Tarmel Udimo: and me too

    Tarmel Udimo: nice talking to you all

    Agatha Macbeth: G'night tarm

    arabella Ella: bye Tarmel thanks for the topics :)

    Mickorod Renard: I must go too

    Tarmel Udimo: and have a great retreat

    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye all who are leaving :)

    Mickorod Renard: yes, thanks Tarmel

    arabella Ella: thanks :)

    SophiaSharon Larnia: and me too, bye for now :)

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    Originally written on 22:20, 20 Jan 2010
    What an interesting session!
    Also, wanted to comment on Arch's comment about punctuation. There is indeed now what is called a "sarcmark" to show sarcasm in text. Fun times. :)
    I'd show you but it must be installed. It is a dot inside a spiral.
    Posted 13:50, 9 Apr 2010
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