The Guardian for this meeting was Bolonath Crystal. The comments are by Bolonath Crystal.
Bolonath Crystal: namaste cal :)
Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
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Fael Illyar: Hi Cal, Bolonath :)
Bolonath Crystal: namaste fael :)
Calvino Rabeni: Hi there Fael
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after a very silent start we exchanged some experiences with acupressure
Calvino Rabeni: Acupressure seems like a useful thing to know
Fael Illyar: Yes, it does sound like that :)
Calvino Rabeni: I learrned a point today, now I know 2.
Calvino Rabeni: The only one I knew was for the runner's cramp
Fael Illyar: oh, where's that?
Calvino Rabeni: About 3 cm up and forward of the end of the short rib
Calvino Rabeni: I found it worked quickly even without stopping a run.
Fael Illyar: oh, that's interesting.
Calvino Rabeni: very handy for the runner
Fael Illyar: if I knew where short rib is :)
Calvino Rabeni: part of first aid
Calvino Rabeni: Oh, it is the lowest rib on eitther side, it doesn't go all tthe way to the front, You can feel it in the chest
Calvino Rabeni: it feels weird because it is only supported on one end, so feels weak
Fael Illyar: yes, it does
Calvino Rabeni: If you had a real body here I could show you, but avis don't have much inside
Fael Illyar: yes, a bit thin inside :)
Fael Illyar: so what's the new one you found?
Calvino Rabeni: Bolo told me about one for sneeze or allergy, on the outside of the elbow crease
Fael Illyar: oh... interesting, I'm asthmatic and that's a place I've often found myself "playing" with my fingers
Calvino Rabeni: by instinct perhaps
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Calvino Rabeni: Must have crashed.
Fael Illyar: my wireless connection dropped again.
Fael Illyar: would be interesting to know what causes that.
Calvino Rabeni: Anything on your mind tonight Bolo - now that the hour's almost up ? :)
Bolonath Crystal: hm... my mind is rather silent today :)
Fael Illyar: yes, mine too
Calvino Rabeni: OK
Bolonath Crystal: i had a nice meditation last night. i listened to the silence
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Bolonath Crystal: maybe that still works on me :)
how to customize an avatar
Calvino Rabeni: I like the slowly rising pink hearts that escape from Fael's avatar
Fael Illyar smiles 'I've made it myself. Want one?'
Calvino Rabeni: Yes!
Fael Illyar: it takes an eye slot :)
Bolonath Crystal: i have to go...
Fael Illyar: Have fun Bolo :)
Bolonath Crystal: have a nice day (or night or wahtever *g*)
Calvino Rabeni: Take care, Bolo
Bolonath Crystal: om shanti
Calvino Rabeni: namaste
Fael Illyar: I got the idea for making this when someone gave me another with similar idea but I didn't like the way the hearts looked so...
Fael Illyar: since I couldn't just replace the heart picture, I made my own.
Calvino Rabeni: Where do you have it attached on the avatar?
Fael Illyar: right eyeball :)
Fael Illyar: you can see it if you activate the transparency highlight
Fael Illyar: it shows as a red overlay on the eye then
Fael Illyar: ah, you attached it to your ear :)
Calvino Rabeni: where is the menu to make it visible?
Fael Illyar: view-menu, highlight transparent
Fael Illyar: or ctrl-alt-t
Calvino Rabeni: I see, it's like an earring
Fael Illyar: it's on my AVs eye.
Fael Illyar: but you can wear it wherever you want :)
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Calvino Rabeni: I like the slowness of the rising hearts, and their sparseness
Calvino Rabeni: It is the right amount of subtle
Fael Illyar: yes, I spent quite a while adjusting the speed and amount :)
Calvino Rabeni: perfection
Fael Illyar smiles.
Calvino Rabeni: hearts
Calvino Rabeni: The japanese have really good demons, so I think those would make good "weird avatar" designs
Fael Illyar: definitely :)
Fael Illyar: I'm sure you'll find many of them easily too
Calvino Rabeni: I don't know the "facts of life" for avatars.
Calvino Rabeni: Where do they come from; are they constructed?
Fael Illyar: anyone can create them.
Calvino Rabeni: How is it done?
Calvino Rabeni: And has anyone done "genetic" programming on it ?
Fael Illyar: partially in SL, parts in other programs.
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Fael Illyar: if you want a full avatar, you'll need animations, textures and then the shape.
Fael Illyar: if it's human-like, you can use the default shape system and just move a few sliders
Fael Illyar: if not, you'll get to be creative with animations and sculpted shapes to hide the avatar under them and have it look the way you want.
Calvino Rabeni: What would the hidden avatar be to begin with? Is there a simplest case?
Calvino Rabeni: like a skeleton?
Fael Illyar: what you'd need to hide is pretty much what you see on your screen right now.
Fael Illyar: although, you can make it quite a bit smaller still.
Calvino Rabeni: Is it made by linden, the one I have?
Calvino Rabeni: They create certain models, and people work with those?
Fael Illyar: not exactly
Fael Illyar: the shape is made with a system that lindens made.
Fael Illyar: lots of sliders
Fael Illyar: the skin is... well, people took a texture layer lindens intended for tattoos and started making hand-drawn skins for it.
Fael Illyar: that's drawn by some user somewhere
Fael Illyar: I would think you've either got it as a freebie or bought it somewhere
Fael Illyar: there's also system hair that looks horrible and nearly no-one uses it.
Calvino Rabeni: Every day is a bad hair day for standard avatars
Fael Illyar: the hair you're wearing looks to be user made and prim attachment (like mine too)
Fael Illyar: then the clothes... those are done in quite similar way to the skin. Someone has worked to make them look like they do.
Fael Illyar: Most likely not a linden
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it is beter than the slider hair
Fael Illyar: so there's the slider system that's very old, dates back to the beginning of SL.
Fael Illyar: and all kinds of improvements people have improvised on it
Fael Illyar: using whatever tools the Lindens have been adding
Fael Illyar: often in quite unexpected ways
Fael Illyar: my dress has a lot of prim parts
Calvino Rabeni: it looks skin tight, is that prims also, or something else?
Calvino Rabeni: LIke a shirt
Calvino Rabeni: is a shirt a primitive?
Fael Illyar: it has system clothing layer too
Fael Illyar: the skintight part is actually skintight. the most common clothes in SL all are a bit like that
Fael Illyar: texture is drawn and applies on the AV just like the skin textures.
Fael Illyar: it's quite helpful to draw on top of a skin texture when creating clothes :)
Fael Illyar: there's some sliders that can be used to make it look less skintight though
Calvino Rabeni: Did you make the dress or buy it?
Fael Illyar: but I think what I'm wearing right now has been especially made to look skintight.
Fael Illyar: the tattoo under the dress is my own making, the rest is bought
Fael Illyar: (it's quite a transparent dress)
Calvino Rabeni: I'm not a big shopper in RL either :)
Fael Illyar: I shop more in SL han in RL :)
Fael Illyar: but it's been ... over a year since I last spent an entire day shopping :)
Fael Illyar: and most days I don't go shopping
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Calvino Rabeni: I find it intolerable to walk around shopping in SL, when with a database and teleporter you could find stuff quickly
Fael Illyar: yes... SL is still lacking a good overall system for finding good things.
Calvino Rabeni: Actually, I expected it to "evolve" much faster that it has
Fael Illyar: yes... it must be a more difficult problem than it looks like :)
Fael Illyar: XstreetSL has a database system though
Fael Illyar: and the webpage for the shop I got this one from is pretty nice
Fael Illyar: http://barerose.xeraweb.com/index2.php
Fael Illyar: it's rather embarrassing for Linden's how much easier it is to use a webpage for looking at product pictures :)
Fael Illyar: much less waiting to see images of better quality.
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I think a lot of it is because you can't make script libraries
Calvino Rabeni: So nothing complex can be constructed
Fael Illyar: yes, they're working on it but it's apparently not an easy problem to solve.
Calvino Rabeni: I thought a lot would change from 2007 to 2009, but it seems pretty much plateau-ed
Fael Illyar: yes, the current infrastructure is pretty much used as well as it can be
Fael Illyar: only Lindens can make radical improvements right now so.. that's what's holding it back
Calvino Rabeni: Grow or die, probably
Calvino Rabeni: There must be some stats, or used to be
Fael Illyar: The resources Lindens have pale when compared to what the overall userbase could do
Calvino Rabeni: something like population 70000
Fael Illyar: that 70000 is the peak concurrent users from a while ago
Calvino Rabeni: Earlier today there was a couple of attempts at the topic of "honesty"
Fael Illyar: those peaks appear to be at around 78000 currently
Fael Illyar: ah, sunday peak is 80000
Fael Illyar: yes, there was :)
Calvino Rabeni: So with respect to that topic, I have to admit, not having said a word about "Being" in this location tonight, just seems improper :)
Calvino Rabeni: Anyway, now that I've made this confession, I will depart
Fael Illyar smiles.
Calvino Rabeni: thanks for the hang out and tech talk, Fael
Fael Illyar smiles 'Good night Cal.'
Calvino Rabeni: Bye
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