2010.02.04 13:00 - Malta retreat - Lia's report

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

    greetings and people arriving

    Wol Euler: hello invisibles
    Lia Rikugun: hello yakku and wol
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello cheshire
    Wol Euler: afk to get some tea
    Wol Euler: back
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi storm
    Wol Euler: hello storm, cheshire
    Storm Nordwind: Hi all
    Wol Euler: hello liza
    Liza Deischer: hi everyone
    Lia Rikugun: hello liza storm pema
    Wol Euler: hello pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Lia and all !
    Liza Deischer: hi pema
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey newcomers
    Liza Deischer: hi Arch, Sophia
    Wol Euler: hello arch, you're looking very formal.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi everyone!
    Pema Pera: hi Sharon!
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello brethern
    Pema Pera: Hi Arch!
    Archmage Atlantis: On, a dance in a hall of mirrors
    Lia Rikugun: i am a little excited and dont know yet what I will tell you :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Didn't recloth
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Pema Pera: that's the best approach, Lia!
    Storm Nordwind laughs with Lia
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: hello sharon, agatha
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Liza Deischer: hi agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Wol
    Pema Pera: Lia, may I ask a question?
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Liza
    Lia Rikugun: haha yes please
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Pema Pera: hehehe, may I get a cup of tea, and be back in two minutes?
    Lia Rikugun: sure we will wait
    Wol Euler: :)
    Pema Pera: no reason to wait, I can catch up reading
    Wol Euler: hello stim
    Lia Rikugun: ok
    Lia Rikugun: hello stim
    Liza Deischer: hi Stim
    Storm Nordwind: When he gets back we can all say, "ssssshhhhhh!!!!"
    Wol Euler: :)
    Lia Rikugun: hehe exactly
    Stim Morane: Hi
    Stim Morane: just dropped in for a few minutes
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Stim
    Liza Deischer: hi Eos
    Lia Rikugun: ok so maybe we can start
    Lia Rikugun: what do you think?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi gangstas
    Agatha Macbeth: Yo brudsdah
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey stim
    Stim Morane: Hi Yakuzza, Agatha
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, start....Pema's creation is beginning to have it's own life
    Liza Deischer: hi Yaku
    Lia Rikugun: :)

    the summary of the retreat week

    Lia Rikugun: ok where can I start?
    Eos Amaterasu: at the end?
    Lia Rikugun: maybe at the end
    Lia Rikugun: HAHA
    Lia Rikugun: yes!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Lia Rikugun: it was a very relaxing week
    Lia Rikugun: i had the time to think a lot
    Pema Pera: (back)
    Lia Rikugun: and had great people around me
    Lia Rikugun: very inspiring
    Lia Rikugun: and having these 5 days of focussing on other ways of thinking was somehow opening in a way
    Lia Rikugun: as a general idea what my feeling is
    Lia Rikugun: hm
    Lia Rikugun: i dont know how to continue so many interesting experiences
    Lia Rikugun: so
    Archmage Atlantis: Start with the one with the most impace
    Archmage Atlantis: impact

    mixing realities

    Lia Rikugun: the idea i had when I wanted to come to malta to the retreat
    Fael Illyar: Hello Everyone :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Fael :)
    Lia Rikugun: was to just experiment with my consciousness in a way
    Lia Rikugun: i did some exercises which i call going to my happy place
    Lia Rikugun: in a way imagining to be on a grass field and walking around there
    Lia Rikugun: sot his was something i wanted to concentrate on
    Lia Rikugun: pema suggested a similar kind of meditation
    Lia Rikugun: where i dont close my eyes and see a different world but where I try to imagine things in the world i see
    Lia Rikugun: somehow mixing 2 realities
    Lia Rikugun: this was an interesting experience for me
    Lia Rikugun: this is what I tried to do during the silent day on wedesday
    Lia Rikugun: maybe i tell you more about it
    Lia Rikugun: i left the farmhouse to walk around a little bit
    Lia Rikugun: and somehow i entered a magical place :)
    Lia Rikugun: a magic kingdom
    Lia Rikugun: with a dog as king :)
    Lia Rikugun: this sounds crazy
    Lia Rikugun: but it was fun
    Lia Rikugun: stone guards guarding the entrance
    Lia Rikugun: and tiny people attacking me
    Lia Rikugun: little flower ladies
    Lia Rikugun: haha
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Lia Rikugun: so somehow a very creative experience
    Lia Rikugun: and i dont know where this came from
    Archmage Atlantis: I see nothing that is not real in what you experienced, miss Lia
    Lia Rikugun: it was very real in a way
    Lia Rikugun: i saw it (not with my eyes obviously)
    Lia Rikugun: but very interesting
    Lia Rikugun: so this is what i like to continue
    Lia Rikugun: to mix up both experiences of real world and somehow imagined things

    dreaming of meditating

    Lia Rikugun: another very interesting experience i had
    Lia Rikugun: we talked about this during pemas session already
    Lia Rikugun: but i want to talk about this again
    Lia Rikugun: i had a very intense dream on wendesday night
    Lia Rikugun: after the silent day
    Lia Rikugun: and
    Lia Rikugun: where i dreamt that we were sitting with the group
    Lia Rikugun: and pema was suggesting a meditation
    Lia Rikugun: i dont remember the exact words anymore
    Lia Rikugun: it is fading more and more
    Archmage Atlantis: Could the master also be a participant, or is that individual always the master?
    Lia Rikugun: but what i associated with the meditation was to go deeper and deeper
    Lia Rikugun: i saw a stairway in the house i lived when i was a child
    Lia Rikugun: and this was the meditation to go down the siars
    Lia Rikugun: so thats what i did during the dream
    Lia Rikugun: and slowly step by step going down
    Lia Rikugun: until it got very very loud
    Lia Rikugun: and things were happening around me
    Lia Rikugun: and my first feeling was to leave
    Lia Rikugun: but i stayed i was curious
    Lia Rikugun: i wanted to get to know this feeling in a way
    Lia Rikugun: it was inbetween being frightened and curious
    Lia Rikugun: and i wanted to stay with this feeling for a while longer
    Lia Rikugun: but slowly it went away
    Lia Rikugun: left each single part of my body one after the other
    Lia Rikugun: this was such an intense feeling i cannot put it in words

    pema tells me he had a similar feeling during his dream

    Lia Rikugun: and then at the breakfast table on thursday morning
    Lia Rikugun: i was telling wol and eos and pema
    Lia Rikugun: and pema tells me he had a similar dream before!
    Lia Rikugun: :D
    Lia Rikugun: weird no?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow Lia
    Archmage Atlantis: Not weird, no
    Pema Pera: in a somewhat different setting, but the sense was similar, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, is wonderful Lia
    Liza Deischer: (interesting dream :-))
    Pema Pera: Lia and I were walking in a dense very dark forest in the middle of the night
    Pema Pera: (please Lia, continue!)
    Lia Rikugun: oh ok
    Lia Rikugun: so the story continues
    Lia Rikugun: ;)

    doing the dream meditation in real life

    Lia Rikugun: during the day we wanted to do another meditation
    Lia Rikugun: and pema asked around what should we do?
    Lia Rikugun: fefonz suggested to do a meditation holding hands
    Lia Rikugun: and then i suggested while we do this we can also do the meditation from the dream
    Lia Rikugun: and i felt it was very powerful in a way
    Lia Rikugun: what do the retreat goes think?
    Lia Rikugun: goers
    Lia Rikugun: well
    Mickorod Renard: was this the going down the steps?
    Lia Rikugun: yes with holding hands
    Mickorod Renard: I thought it was fun,,I seemed to be being led down
    Lia Rikugun: yes i think it is very weird
    Archmage Atlantis: You saw a force of compelling, Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: in a comfortable way
    Lia Rikugun: and it gets weirder
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Lia Rikugun: or what?
    Lia Rikugun: who was pullign you?
    Mickorod Renard: I ended up popping out into some new born universe
    Lia Rikugun: mick, whatz was pullign you?
    Mickorod Renard: nothing was really pulling me but perhaps my inquisitness
    Lia Rikugun: or maybe this is too personal
    Lia Rikugun: ah ok

    a materialization of the staircase ... :)

    Lia Rikugun: ok so it got weirder
    Mickorod Renard: or perhaps some sort of connectedness to something larger
    Lia Rikugun: ah wow
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I was suprised
    Archmage Atlantis: The weird is the word used by humans who would not see
    Lia Rikugun: :) i dont see then
    Lia Rikugun: i can use the word intersting
    Lia Rikugun: it got more interesting
    Lia Rikugun: ;)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles and listens
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: pema and arabella i think opened a door
    Lia Rikugun: in the farmhouse
    Lia Rikugun: in the room where we meditated
    Lia Rikugun: we havent opened the door before
    Lia Rikugun: and the funny thing was that there was a staircase
    Lia Rikugun: everybody had imagined to go do0wn a staircase
    Lia Rikugun: and now we really find one
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Lia Rikugun: i had the serious question that it was maybe not there before
    Lia Rikugun: the thing is i can never know
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so you guys were kind of at the bottom of this staircase
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: it went down and up
    Lia Rikugun: in the middle
    Archmage Atlantis: yes, lia, we found one......but it it the correct one
    Lia Rikugun: what do you mean arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: To me, it means....
    Archmage Atlantis: we found the depths of our past
    Lia Rikugun: hm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: where did this real staircase lead to?
    Lia Rikugun: i dont want to give it any interpretation
    Archmage Atlantis: Our future is yet to be imangined
    Lia Rikugun: we didnt go down :)
    Lia Rikugun: because of mice and rats
    Lia Rikugun: maybe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Lia Rikugun: arabella warned us

    more questions ...

    Lia Rikugun: so i guess i come back with more questions
    Lia Rikugun: about what is real and not
    Lia Rikugun: somehting eos said was very important to me
    Lia Rikugun: that the questioning is more important than the answer
    Lia Rikugun: with an answer the question is dead
    Lia Rikugun: did i say this correctly eos?
    Archmage Atlantis: mice and rat, and ants and bees, and lizards and bee, they come with outs
    Eos Amaterasu: yes :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: oua
    Fael Illyar: Very nicely put :)
    Archmage Atlantis: ous
    Lia Rikugun: so in a way i am questioning more the reality i see every day
    Lia Rikugun: which keeps my brain working
    Lia Rikugun: and fresh in a way
    Lia Rikugun: but
    Lia Rikugun: there does not seem to be any possibility for any proof of any reality
    Lia Rikugun: this is maybe the best part
    Archmage Atlantis: Always a butt Lia
    Lia Rikugun: this keeps you thinking and questioning
    Liza Deischer: yes :-)
    Lia Rikugun: maybe i cannot really put it in good words
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wonderfully put Lia! ~
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Lia Rikugun: so what i want to continue to do
    Lia Rikugun: it to just question the things i see and the things i think
    Lia Rikugun: to stay open in a way
    Lia Rikugun: for other possibilities for other possible realities
    Lia Rikugun: but i can never have a proof
    Lia Rikugun: maybe this is completely crazy
    Lia Rikugun: but on a pratical way
    Lia Rikugun: i think this approach lets me think a lot
    Lia Rikugun: and be creative
    Archmage Atlantis: Dance, love, dance.....it is how we take reponsibility into these human bodies
    Lia Rikugun: try new things
    Lia Rikugun: so positive aspects
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Liza Deischer: hi ara
    Lia Rikugun: hi ara
    Archmage Atlantis: Fael, take me to a dance place......allow others to follow if they wish

    strong connection to the others

    Lia Rikugun: in the end of the retreat i felt a very strong connection to everybody
    Lia Rikugun: but i cannot explain why
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: nice feeling
    arabella Ella nods
    Lia Rikugun: so maybe i dont know what else to tell you
    Liza Deischer: you already told a lot :-)
    Pema Pera: thank you very much for such a lively report, Lia
    Stim Morane: very interesting, Lia
    Eliza Madrigal finds all the overlaps (dream/RL/SL) so fascinating... Thanks so much, Lia!
    Eos Amaterasu: /||\
    Lia Rikugun: my pleasure
    Wol Euler: thank you, Lia
    Fael Illyar: Thank you Lia :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, thank you Lia!

    the stairway exercise were Fefonz and I collaboratively created the meditation

    Wol Euler: and thank you for the stair exercise too, that was wonderful.
    Eos Amaterasu: deeply moving, you create such a charged atmosphere
    Lia Rikugun: haha my pleasure
    Mickorod Renard: thankyou Lia,,sorry I crashed
    Lia Rikugun: i felt i had to propose that exercise
    Lia Rikugun: actuallyi remember
    Lia Rikugun: i wanted to suggest it
    Lia Rikugun: but then arabella asked fefonz to suggest something
    Lia Rikugun: and i was thinking i need to propose this
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Pema Pera: a collaborative proposal it became :)
    Lia Rikugun: but in the end i think going down the stairs with holding hands was the best we could have done
    Lia Rikugun: exactly
    arabella Ella: :)

    the 10 of us went all to our happy place and I showed everybody around ;)

    (after rereading my comment I see that I wrote "our happy place" hehe I wanted to write "my" in the first place, but maybe its better this way :)

    Pema Pera: also, Lia, you didn't yet mention how you took all nine of us to your happy place, earlier that week
    Lia Rikugun: everybody on its own would have been different
    Lia Rikugun: oh yes thats true
    Pema Pera: it became quite crowded there :)
    Lia Rikugun: i almost forgot
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: haha yes
    Pema Pera: that was very nice of you, to share that place with all of us
    Lia Rikugun: i went to my happy place again
    Lia Rikugun: afterwards
    Lia Rikugun: and in the little house on the grass field
    Lia Rikugun: there is a man i visit from time to time
    Lia Rikugun: with the group we almost enetered the house but i stepped outside again
    Lia Rikugun: a few days ago he told me that 10 people might have been a little too much :)
    Lia Rikugun: HAHA
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: so a short description of what we did with the group in the happy place?
    Pema Pera: sure
    Lia Rikugun: so it was somehow very difficult for me
    Lia Rikugun: with 10 people
    Lia Rikugun: usually a walk around meet other people fly around
    Lia Rikugun: so i just described the surroundings
    Lia Rikugun: there was a field of grass
    Lia Rikugun: a tree a little house a forest
    Lia Rikugun: and pema started asking questions
    Lia Rikugun: and giving suggestions
    Lia Rikugun: so at some point i went to the creek
    Lia Rikugun: and everybody with me :)
    Lia Rikugun: i let myself fall into the water
    Lia Rikugun: and it carried me to a canyon
    Lia Rikugun: where i just let myself fall
    Lia Rikugun: into a white fog
    Lia Rikugun: it was more a floating then
    Lia Rikugun: no directions of up and down left or right
    Lia Rikugun: actually i remember it was very difficult for me with 10 people
    Lia Rikugun: i started sweating ;)
    Lia Rikugun: haha
    Lia Rikugun: in the white fog was a hand holding out for me
    Lia Rikugun: and when i took it
    Lia Rikugun: everything turned dark
    Lia Rikugun: not a bad dark
    Lia Rikugun: then soon we stopped
    Lia Rikugun: actually i think i heard fefonz snoring
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: and others told me that they had been very relaxed
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Lia Rikugun: so this was great
    Lia Rikugun: the end
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Wol Euler applauds
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Eliza Madrigal applauds
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and cheers
    Stim Morane: thanks very much
    arabella Ella: some of what some of us described as grunts and snorts :)
    arabella Ella: thanks Lia
    Liza Deischer: thanks Lia
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx lia :)
    Lia Rikugun: i would be happy if you would give me your ideas
    Pema Pera: you're a great tour guide, Lia, also in your happy world!
    Lia Rikugun: which would be my happy world?
    arabella Ella: happy place you took us to i think Pema means
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    arabella Ella: whhich you so kindly shared with us all
    Pema Pera: :)
    Lia Rikugun: so the thing is

    last words ...

    Lia Rikugun: as last words for today
    Pema Pera: it's a pretty happy world where you can get lost in the fog and in the dark without any panic or much worry :)
    Lia Rikugun: i dont have any interpretation
    Lia Rikugun: and i think thats good
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Pema Pera: indeed!
    Wol Euler nods.
    Pema Pera: thank you again Lia!
    Stim Morane: yes
    Lia Rikugun: my pleasure
    Eos Amaterasu: :-) :-) :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night everyone
    arabella Ella: nite Yaku
    Liza Deischer: nit Yaku
    Lia Rikugun: so send me ypur thoughts if you wish
    Wol Euler: bye yaku
    Pema Pera: bye Yaku
    Stim Morane: bye Yaku
    Agatha Macbeth: Night Yaku
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye! and bye all!! See you later!
    Lia Rikugun: i will soon go to bed too
    Mickorod Renard: nite yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Yakuzza, Lia, Sharon
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye SSL
    Mickorod Renard: nite ss
    Fael Illyar: bye Yak, Lia, Sharon :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Mickorod Renard: bye Lia
    Eliza Madrigal will be going too... Thanks so much again Lia
    Pema Pera: bye Lia!
    Liza Deischer: bye sharon
    Wol Euler: bye sharon, bye lia, bye eliza
    Lia Rikugun: goodnight and see you soon
    Pema Pera: and bye everybody!
    Stim Morane: Bye Lia, Sharon
    Mickorod Renard: bye eliza
    Stim Morane: Eliza
    Liza Deischer: bye lia, pema, eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya Lia, Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal waves
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye all, ~ ~ ~
    arabella Ella: bye to those leaving
    Stim Morane: bye everyone
    Mickorod Renard: bye eos
    Wol Euler: bye stim, bye eos
    Mickorod Renard: hey Stim,,hiya
    Stim Morane: :)
    Mickorod Renard: didnt c u
    Mickorod Renard: bye storm
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Liza Deischer: bye Storm
    arabella Ella: bye Storm
    Agatha Macbeth: waves to Storm
    Liza Deischer: bye everyone
    arabella Ella: bye Liza
    Mickorod Renard: bye liza
    Wol Euler: bye eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: Goodnight everyone it seems
    Fael Illyar: Good night everyone :)
    Mickorod Renard: yea,,goodnight all leaving
    Wol Euler: I shall be off too, actually, I have some work to get done tonight. Goodnight all, be happy
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye
    arabella Ella: nite Wol
    Mickorod Renard: nite Wol,,go well
    arabella Ella: must go too bye!
    Mickorod Renard: bye Ara
    Mickorod Renard: spoze i best be off
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye all
    Mickorod Renard: bye Agatha,,and all
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