2010.02.07 07:00 - Should I? Wings?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fael Illyar. The comments are by Fael Illyar.

    Fael Illyar: Hello Yak :)
    Fael Illyar: come down and sit :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fael
    Fael Illyar: Hello :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you ?
    Fael Illyar: I'm well. How are you?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: fine, thx. a bit confused but nothing serious :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not knowing if i do the right things :)
    Fael Illyar: Ah, the kind of confusion everyone has sometimes :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was just about to ask who the guardian is :)
    Fael Illyar: meep! :)
    Fael Illyar: Would you like to speak of what confuses you Yak?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, it´s about habits
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how much second life a day is good, how much should i fight wanting to play games like company of heroes for example :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: do i really like reading about philosophy or does it just seem to be sensefull
    Fael Illyar: do you wish to have rules for those that you could understand?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: do i really have to understand the things i am reading about or will i just understand things later
    Yakuzza Lethecus: am i really happy with what i am doing in my job, does it have future or not, are we on the edge of a big global crisis
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or a extreme financial crisis in all western countries
    Yakuzza Lethecus: except china and india and how much should i even think about my future
    Fael Illyar: Hi Agatha :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: should i think about these things and even get worried about them while not feeling able to elaborate upon them
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Fael, Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey lia
    Lia Rikugun: hello
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so there are plenty of ways in order to get out of a mindfull state and it´s really tricky since there isn´t a solution for most of the things
    Agatha Macbeth: Afternoon Lia
    Fael Illyar: all these thoughts what you should be... why?
    Fael Illyar: Hi Lia :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Do we have a topic yet?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, what i had in mind was pretty much about what brings us out of a concentrated positive state of mind
    Lia Rikugun: can you say more yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s tricky, when i read in the media about greece and portugal and the feeling that there will be a big financial crisis and i am already worried about the issue that i work in a company which is producing tools for a car industrie supplier makes me worried about my job even in that indirect sense
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i can drag problems from very far away :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thats even kinda irrational
    Lia Rikugun: yes i understand
    Agatha Macbeth: Are things not supposed to be getting better financially?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thats what the news said a few month ago yes
    Agatha Macbeth: I thought so, yes
    Lia Rikugun: i try not to worry too much about things that might happen in the future
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right now they are all in the fear of greece and portugal
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right, i think i shouldn´t read that much in the news
    Agatha Macbeth: What is happening in Greece and Portugal?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for example greece is at 13% GDP new debts
    Yakuzza Lethecus: a year
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so ppl fear that the economy isn´t recovering there and drags the entire euro zone into problems
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but my issue is that even such news which i am not directly into can bring my thoughts far away from my actual problems
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that is ridicoulous
    Agatha Macbeth: I understand what you are saying Yaku :)
    Agatha Macbeth: We cannot control external forces but they can control us
    Agatha Macbeth: And do :(
    Yakuzza Lethecus: true
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i care to much about things i can´t change, or the problem is to get stuck
    Fael Illyar: there are things we can help and things we canät.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Fael Illyar: Hi Widget :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey widget
    Lia Rikugun: hi widget
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Widget
    Widget Whiteberry: morning
    Fael Illyar: I find it best to just accept the things you can't help and concentrate on something you can help :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I agree Fael :)
    Lia Rikugun: yes, the challenge is to find out what you can change :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, to be interested isn´t the issue to drop the thought about it
    Fael Illyar: yes... it's also possible to accept that you can't do anything about it right now and move to doing something you can.
    Agatha Macbeth: nods
    Widget Whiteberry: are you thinking of a particular example?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s somehow not to say, not reading the news anymore because there could be something terrible in it but to read it elaborate upon that maybe but going to the other thoughts seemingless
    Agatha Macbeth: Sometimes the news is just too depressing...
    Agatha Macbeth: You feel that you don't want to listen
    Fael Illyar: come to think of it, I very rarely watch or read news...
    Agatha Macbeth: Me either
    Lia Rikugun: hello eliza
    Fael Illyar: they only report negatives
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fael, Agatha, Lia, Yakuzza, Widget :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Eliza. WOW :)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles, thanks Agatha :)
    Lia Rikugun: you look so fancy
    Agatha Macbeth: Fael Mk II?
    Fael Illyar: spring fairy?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i don´t want to ignore the news, what i want to reach is not to get stuck while noticing chances of problems
    Agatha Macbeth: That is soooooooo lovely
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... I think talk of daydreaming and spring approaching has me feeling whimsical
    Fael Illyar: I do read of things but not the so called official news.
    Fael Illyar: Yes, you look very lovely, Eliza :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wec are thinking depressing thoughts and Eliza appears to brighten us all up :)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :D Glad to oblige
    Eliza Madrigal: I think it is important to be generally informed... but to choose the outlets so that it doesn't create a kind of feeding frenzy... negativity, etc
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, more wings!
    Eliza Madrigal smiles at Fael
    Lia Rikugun: wow fael!
    Fael Illyar: There :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Lia Rikugun: HAHA agatha
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Agatha Macbeth: grins
    Lia Rikugun: i dont have wings :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wings are the cure for bad news! :)
    Lia Rikugun: yeay
    Agatha Macbeth: You have no wings Yaku and Lia?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no
    Agatha Macbeth: Awwwwwww
    Lia Rikugun: hehe thank you!
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah!
    Lia Rikugun: who makes a picture
    Agatha Macbeth: Lovely Lia :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Poor Yaku is left out :(
    Lia Rikugun: eliza gave me a present
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: widget, also doesn´t have some
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Eliza Madrigal: I tried to give Ya wings, but I'm not sure they are copyable?
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm, Yak - I think about this too (ty for the note)
    Widget Whiteberry: I have plenty of wings,ty
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorry Widge, I forgot you :(
    Widget Whiteberry: I think it's important to stay grounded in re real
    Eliza Madrigal has been hunting so that everyone had unique wings
    Widget Whiteberry: because a danger moves slowly or seems far away does not make it less real
    Agatha Macbeth: Agreed Widget
    Agatha Macbeth: Sometimes makes it more dangerous
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Jake :)
    Widget Whiteberry: our nervous systems are developed to react to the clear and present danger... but out minds can do more.... for me it's important that I not be agitated when I think about these things ...
    Lia Rikugun: (will tiptoe out, have a nice day all)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i don´t even know for example places where i can elaborate on such thoughts often so they got stuck as fears somewhere in the memory
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey jake
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye lia
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Lia :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: when are you going to japan ?
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya Lia
    Widget Whiteberry: I think around this pond is appropriate place
    Widget Whiteberry: Not that I have answers ....
    Widget Whiteberry: good morning, Jake
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nobody does i guess :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Jake
    Jake1 Silvercloud: hi widget
    Jake1 Silvercloud: hi guys
    Eliza Madrigal gives Jake a note
    Widget Whiteberry: some people might, talking about these bigger seemingly distant dangers, might encourage us to 'put our heads together'
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thinking about things like the states making 1.6 trillion new debts countries in europe near the bancrupcy and real production concentraded in china makes me really concerned
    Fael Illyar: Hello Jake :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i don´t like thinking me on the ,,fear of china" bandwagon
    Widget Whiteberry: appropriate concern, I think
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm, right, the bandwagon is an adreneline rush
    Widget Whiteberry: not useful for thinking
    Agatha Macbeth: We shouldn't have 'fear' of anyone
    Agatha Macbeth: People need to pull together to solve problems
    Widget Whiteberry: Yak, what time zone are you in?
    Agatha Macbeth: What affects one affects all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: gmt +1
    Yakuzza Lethecus: germany
    Widget Whiteberry: I'll send you a link to a James Fallows podcast if you like
    Eliza Madrigal: Widget the other day you talked about seeing no 'others', and that seems really key... though maybe one would expect a fairy to say such things....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that would be great, thx
    Widget Whiteberry: he studies China for the Atlantic mag
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm, not sure what I said that time
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: grins
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i get more aware of the issue of what brings me out of a ,,positive mindfull state" since the retreat was in a very secure and open environment
    Jake1 Silvercloud: well there have to be others or else we wouldn't feel separate feelings and thoughts
    Widget Whiteberry: Yak, can you return to that 'positive mindful state'?
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, maybe there are surface others, which is quite a lot...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so it wasn´t hard to get into positive feelings there, hard is the issue of preserving the feelings in real life situations
    Widget Whiteberry: you neednt be thee all the time
    Eliza Madrigal nods @Ya...
    Agatha Macbeth: nods to Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not really at the moment, but i think it´s important to mention that :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Widget Whiteberry: needn't be there all the time, it's like home base
    Eliza Madrigal: I would expect that having the strong memory/experience of meditating cliffside... one can bring that into moments
    Widget Whiteberry: we need to be able to get there from time to time
    Eliza Madrigal: standing in lines, in traffic, etc
    Widget Whiteberry: to refresh ourselves
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Eliza Madrigal: spontaneous pause?
    Widget Whiteberry: seems so
    Agatha Macbeth: We're all meditating Eliza :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i googled for the podcasts widget mentioned and watching one right now
    Eliza Madrigal: Funny when that happens.... guess we fell in
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, Ya :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Jake!
    Agatha Macbeth: (that was quick)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes he has on dancing shoes...
    Agatha Macbeth: With wings evidently...
    Eliza Madrigal will be sneaking off for a few minutes ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Agatha Macbeth: Awww :(
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all... and hope to see you later.....
    Eliza Madrigal: Hugs :)
    Fael Illyar: Have fun Eliza :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Eliza :) U2
    Eliza Madrigal: TY :)
    Fael Illyar: Lovely to have you here :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Actually, I think I will go too. Building and all that :)
    Fael Illyar: Have fun Aggie :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care all
    Widget Whiteberry: we seem to have emptied the shoreline
    Fael Illyar: yes, very much so :)
    Widget Whiteberry: perhaps we are more tolerant of feeling discomfort
    Fael Illyar: I usually tend to have a feeling when I see something that I'd like to fix about whether I can do something about it.
    Widget Whiteberry: a feeling about being able to have an impact?
    Fael Illyar: something like that
    Widget Whiteberry: me too
    Fael Illyar: it's difficult to put to words
    Widget Whiteberry: I like to think I can do something about almost anything
    Fael Illyar: the feeling also somehow tells me how much work it wold b.
    Widget Whiteberry: not that I can, but I'd like* to be able
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Fael Illyar: I believe that, given enough time, I can do anything I want.
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
    Fael Illyar: and that changed the question into, do I want to do it enough to spend all that time on it :)
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Fael Illyar: from "can I do it?"
    Widget Whiteberry: very good question
    Widget Whiteberry: very useful to think, x months or years from now
    Widget Whiteberry: would I like to have this particular mastery
    Fael Illyar: for learning Japanese, it turned out I wanted to spend all that time :)
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Widget Whiteberry: excellent example
    Fael Illyar: but I definitely didn't want to do it the traditional way :D
    Widget Whiteberry: what was the traditional way?
    Fael Illyar: going to class for a couple of hours few days a week and doing excersizes
    Widget Whiteberry: what was the better way for you?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so you do the contemporary watching anime and finding japanese friends on skype way ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Fael Illyar: I actually did most of it without really communicating with japanese people much at all. It was kind of an accident that I ended up becoming reasonably fluent in speaking/writing it too.
    Fael Illyar: I found a program that can grab the text out of japanese games so I can easily find it from a dictionary
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what´s it called ?
    Fael Illyar: agth
    Fael Illyar: anime games text hooker
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx
    Fael Illyar has a feeling Yak might learn some Japanese soon.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, i was thinking about something different from german/english yes
    Widget Whiteberry: Fael, how many languages did you speak before learning Japanese?
    Fael Illyar: Finnish and English ... Swedish ... not sure if it's worth mentioning as it's so rusty I don't practically even understan it.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, i fly over to the meeting
    Yakuzza Lethecus: cya there
    Fael Illyar: Ok, have fun Yak :)
    Widget Whiteberry: me too
    Fael Illyar: ok... I'll come too :)
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