2010.02.09 13:00 - A thousand arms and a hundred poems

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

    Storm arrived a little late for the session, his return from the doctors and testing lab overrunning somewhat.

    Bertram Jacobus: hey cal :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: bert, how is it?
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s okay. ty. some problems with a girl ...
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: and you ? :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, good, thanks
    Calvino Rabeni: It's all good, even the troubles :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i heard about that ... ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cal and Bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hey eliza ! ...
    Calvino Rabeni: So Hi, Eliza - your ava has quite a "sashay" while approaching
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon :)
    Eliza Madrigal: You think?
    Calvino Rabeni: Visual impression, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Someone gave me a free AO the first week I signed onto SL, and its what I've used ever since...
    Zon Quar: hi ㋡
    Bertram Jacobus: hello zon
    Eliza Madrigal: At first I felt like everything in SL was *too much*... girl's makeup, AOs, etc...
    Eliza Madrigal: somehow it all seems natural now. hah
    Calvino Rabeni: All that flexing and flowing with the diaphanous gown adds to the effect !
    Eliza Madrigal: :))

    Eliza feels unusually "without topic" today.
    Eliza Madrigal: What are you two discussing today?
    Eliza Madrigal: Now four of us...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I believe the "floor" is open :)
    Calvino Rabeni: We just toss something out into the pool
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm uncharacteristically without a topic in mind today...
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe a good stance
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    Calvino would like the pavilion pool to be able to become a giant brewpot at times, and tries it out sans bulles.
    Calvino Rabeni: At times, it would be good to have a "cauldron" effect there
    Zon Quar: cauldron ?
    Calvino Rabeni: OK then I have an idea
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, a big cooking vessel
    Eliza Madrigal: bubbling
    Eliza Madrigal: toil and trouble
    Calvino Rabeni: MY idea is - let each of us throw one thing out into the pool / caludron
    Calvino Rabeni: and then see what mix gets created :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm thinking of something to throw in the pool
    Calvino Rabeni: If everyone is ready with their ingredient, I will throw then
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Shoot
    Calvino Rabeni: all together now - at the bell's "thank you" :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni throws a very tall icon of Kwan Yin into the pool
    Zon Quar: joke
    Calvino Rabeni: Zon throws a joke into the pool ?
    Zon Quar: yup
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Eliza Madrigal is more blank now....
    Eliza Madrigal: scrambling...
    Eliza Madrigal: I don't even know what I have in my inventory...
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Zon Quar: wow
    Zon Quar: cool..fire and water
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Brb
    Calvino Rabeni: A hazy image appears, slowly reezzes - I guess some kind of dragon
    Zon Quar: is this Kwan Yin
    Calvino Rabeni: THis is not Kwan Yin
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Eliza Madrigal: gee... I needed this don't you think....
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Zon Quar: hi storm
    Calvino Rabeni: Kwan Yin looks like this http://picasaweb.google.com/WyldMedi...33388528873394
    Calvino Rabeni: Welcome to the cauldron, Storm
    Zon Quar: wow..many arms
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, each with some kind of tool
    Zon Quar: what an embrace....
    Calvino Rabeni: Pretty handy - the swiss army knife of benevolent dieties
    Calvino Rabeni: Now with "joke" and humour
    Zon Quar: is it similar to shiva,
    Zon Quar: who also has many arms
    Calvino Rabeni: These arms help all beings with whatever they are doing

    Storm arrives late, entirely missing the sense of play that had been going on, and taking things far too seriously.
    Storm Nordwind: I don't think helping with "whatever they are doing" would be purpose of Kuan Yin's arms (or Avalokiteshvara's)
    Calvino Rabeni: Storm, do you think you could create a "bubbling cauldron" mode for the pool here?
    Storm Nordwind: You want a jacuzzi?
    Calvino Rabeni: No, more a witches cauldron
    Calvino Rabeni: or like the bubbling geothermal mud pits
    Storm Nordwind: All things are possible, only believe
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Let the tools of Kwan Yin assist in the completion of tasks
    Calvino Rabeni: perhaps their dissolution also
    So I apologize for my earnest and even authoritarian tone. On the other hand, I did have the lady in question next to me at the time, asking me to interject!  Calvino Rabeni adds: Storm has quite a relationship with this lady, and I am no stranger to her.  Earlier in the day the diety in question paid me a visit and gave me a message to give the group - of course if I garbled it I take full responsibility :)
    Storm Nordwind: I don't think that's what they're for
    Calvino Rabeni: Go on, Storm :)
    Storm Nordwind: These are arms that reach to all sentient beings in compassion, to help them in dire need, and in - if they so wish - to help liberate them
    Calvino Rabeni: ah, it is as I said then :) thanks
    Storm Nordwind: no
    Calvino Rabeni: Can you elaborate "no", storm?
    Storm Nordwind: Her chosen purpose is not to help people complete random tasks
    Eliza Madrigal: Apologies... here now
    Calvino Rabeni: No of course not
    Storm Nordwind: Then I may have missed your previous meaning
    Eliza Madrigal: Were you discussing tasks as in obstacles to spiritual development and such, Calvino?
    Calvino Rabeni: Most beings are in some kind of dire straits; and benefit greatly from compassion, whether they realize this or not
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: And their tasks are both a pathway and an obstacle
    Zon Quar: obstacles test how bad u want something
    Eliza Madrigal: compassion and spiritual development might be the same thing...
    Calvino Rabeni: the obstacles test the clarity of their vision
    Calvino Rabeni: The benevolence of kwan yin is that all the many doings and tasks are seen in their greater role
    Calvino Rabeni: Kwan yin does not tell anyone what they ought to do
    Eliza Madrigal: Well she told me that all pathways were open to my choosing... twice!
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Calvino Rabeni: But only enables their tasks to a truer significance
    Storm Nordwind: We will have to disagree then Cal :)
    Calvino Rabeni: NP

    Bertram asks our opinion about a particular website.
    Bertram Jacobus: is this an authentical kwan yin site, please ? : http://www.kwan-yin.sananda-net.de/
    Storm Nordwind: What does 'authentic' mean to you Bertram?
    Bertram Jacobus: no fake
    Calvino Rabeni: But I would encourage storm to express the important distinctions he has in mind for this matter
    Bertram Jacobus: cal ?
    Calvino Rabeni: My old laptop could not open that link yet, bert
    Storm Nordwind: What do you mean by fake Bertram?
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. okay. ty. so i´m not sure, what you´re talkin about - "ok" thanks
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Maybe it is just asking the question:
    Eliza Madrigal: So what might a thousand arms represent...?
    Bertram Jacobus: fake ? in german i could tell all that very easily
    Bertram Jacobus: also authentic
    Storm Nordwind: There are many people that draw their inspiration from Kuan Yin
    Storm Nordwind: They express that inspriation in many different ways
    Storm Nordwind: I cannot read the German, but perhaps this site has a healing bias, I am not sure
    Bertram Jacobus: okay - i stay aside. ty
    Bertram Jacobus: try to understand a bit
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ara :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hy ara
    Storm Nordwind: Hi there ara
    Zon Quar: ara:)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, arabella

    Bertram requests some more information on Kuan Yin, and gets a history lesson willy nilly!
    Bertram Jacobus: is kuan yin a hindu tradition ?
    Eliza Madrigal: When I think of a thousand arms I do think of compassion being 'effective'... working for the sake of others, without self 'consciousness' in the way
    Calvino Rabeni: Nice Eliza :)
    Storm Nordwind: Kuan Yin is the Chinese version of a Buddhist deity bertram
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. which buddhist deity please ? chenrezig ?
    Storm Nordwind: This was Avalokiteshvara originally
    Calvino Rabeni: When I "see" the thousand arms, the benevolence of such a capability strikes me
    Storm Nordwind: In India
    Bertram Jacobus: okay. then i know. thanks
    Storm Nordwind: In Tibet he became Chenrezig
    Storm Nordwind: And in China he became Kuan Yin
    Bertram Jacobus: i know all that. ty again
    Bertram Jacobus: except the chinese part
    Storm Nordwind: But then about 1000 years ago he became a she
    Calvino Rabeni: But - that was the concept of Kwan Yin evolving through different cultures
    Bertram Jacobus: but now
    Bertram Jacobus: :o)
    Calvino Rabeni: That was not the real Kwan Yin :)
    Zon Quar: is she a female deoty ?
    Storm Nordwind: And in Japan the now she became Kannon
    Zon Quar: or he
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, didn't know that Storm...
    Storm Nordwind: After whom we get the name of the famous [optical/]electronics company!
    arabella Ella: ah
    Calvino Rabeni: Canon camera?
    arabella Ella: cameras copiers etc
    Storm Nordwind: And there are many similar names throughout the rest of Asia
    Bertram Jacobus: no fuji
    Storm Nordwind: Yes Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Now Kwan Yin has a thousand eyes!
    Storm Nordwind: The company named themselves after their first product
    Storm Nordwind: and the the first product was named after Kannon
    And that first product was a camera !

    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Such a helpful diety, with these machines assisting in so many mundane tasks.
    arabella Ella smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: That could be seen as idolatry, or as something better
    Storm Nordwind: I think the buddha behind this is the same. And he/she presents to each culture as best accepted by them it seems
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    arabella Ella: it is amazing how narratives tend to evolve often depending on geography
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes :)
    arabella Ella: and culture
    arabella Ella: could you tell us more about her Storm please?
    Storm Nordwind: My teacher told me that originally, a VERY long time ago, Avalokiteshvara was a pure practitioner called Bhikkshu Stainless One
    Storm Nordwind: Upon attaining buddhahood he manaifested in many aspects including a thousand armed version that is very popular today
    Calvino Rabeni: It is important to remember, that Kwan Yin is alive today, and is different than those images and historical stories
    Storm Nordwind: I haven't counted, but I expect I have 20 or more statues of her here
    Calvino Rabeni: It would be a very nice thing to have a notecard of LMs to each of those statues
    Storm Nordwind: By here, I mean in the house where I am sitting in RL
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Actually I overestimated. My RL apartment has 15 statues of Kuan Yin and 3 more of Avalokiteshvara.

    Calvino Rabeni: Then one could go on a pilgrim walk (or whatever you want to call it)
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh, I was hoping in SL
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe later
    Bertram Jacobus: sry - i had a bad day today - don´t ask - cu later ... ty and bye .
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye bert, take care
    Storm Nordwind: My Kuan Yin Terraces are 250m to the west of here. I built them when my skills were poor, more than 2 years ago, but I keep them open as a service
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni: I have a couple Kwan Yin statues / figures in RL also
    Eliza Madrigal: I like going there... though it has been a while...
    Calvino Rabeni: And this diety appears in visions / meditations sometimes in a potent form

    The Kuan Yin oracle in Second Life and the 100 poems.
    KYoracle_chatlog.jpgStorm Nordwind: They are not visited by so many people these days, but the oracle seems enduringly very popular
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I have found that oracle to be unique and helpful :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, probably the first such icon I knew as a child
    Calvino Rabeni: not counting the christian ones of course
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, really Cal?
    Storm Nordwind: I am pleased Eliza.
    Storm Nordwind: She had me rewrite each poem and oversaw each one till she was satisified!
    Eliza Madrigal: !
    arabella Ella: (wonders what the connection with christian ones is?)
    Calvino Rabeni: Which poems, Storm?
    Storm Nordwind: The 100 poems in her oracle
    arabella Ella: wow cool
    arabella Ella: must visit the oracle Storm
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, they are lovely....
    Calvino Rabeni: very devoted
    Eliza Madrigal: and so uncanny that at times I've thought "I need to see all of them and compare"...
    Eliza Madrigal: hah
    arabella Ella: :)
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Storm Nordwind: One day, perhaps I'll publish them all - if she wants that
    arabella Ella: lovely
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yes, whatever she likes...
    Calvino Rabeni: I hope so
    Storm Nordwind: the time has not been right so far
    Storm Nordwind: but I think it will be one day
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Liza :)
    Storm Nordwind: perhaps now I am in the US and my wife can illustrate them
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Liza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, wow, what a nice thought
    Liza Deischer: hi all
    arabella Ella: Hiya Liza!
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess that for some Christians, Mother Mary evokes that kind of devotion...
    Zon Quar: hi liza
    Storm Nordwind: Many draw the parallel Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: There is an artist who makes Mary statues into figures of superheroes and all kinds of interesting 'modern' expressions...
    Eliza Madrigal: she's actually rather respectful in the way she does it.. can tell it comes from a place of fondness
    arabella Ella: ah ... now i see ... interesting ... a bit like a mother archetype to some extent
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    arabella Ella: how lovely ... and universal too
    Eliza Madrigal: and considering that women's stories are so few comparatively...
    arabella Ella: yes
    Storm Nordwind: And yet she is no 'soft' deity. Though she is compassionate, she is massively powerful
    Eliza Madrigal: it seems there is a kind of concentration...
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes

    arabella teases us with promises of wonderful stories... and then she leaves!
    arabella Ella: some other day we could discuss some of the Malta Mother stories Eliza ... but I must go now
    arabella Ella: nite all
    arabella Ella: and thanks for the interesting chat!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye ara :) yes that would be nice
    Storm Nordwind: That would be nice ara!
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Liza Deischer: bye ara
    Zon Quar: nite all ㋡
    Eliza Madrigal: Nite Zon :)
    Liza Deischer: bye zon
    arabella Ella: bye ... all i would need is a gentle reminder :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Storm Nordwind: hehe sure!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, and now I'm thinking that Eden is inspired by Guadalupe...
    Eliza Madrigal: should ask her about that when she returns...
    Eliza Madrigal: Seems an interesting topic from many angles
    Storm Nordwind: She was here last night :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I saw she peeked in... IMed a little but didn't want to bombard
    Eliza Madrigal: hah
    Eliza Madrigal: Liza... you're quiet :) Thoughtful?
    Liza Deischer: no listening
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Liza Deischer: coming in late, not really knowing what you are talking about
    Liza Deischer: but I seem to have missed a great evening :-)
    Liza Deischer: and it feels nice just sitting here
    Eliza Madrigal: yes it does, was thinking that too
    Storm Nordwind nods and smiles

    Calvino tells us about telling others about Play as Being.
    Calvino Rabeni: I've had some outside interest in PaB coming my way lately - I like bringing friends here sometimes
    Storm Nordwind: Wonderful. Is there a common theme that attracts them?
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni says modestly - only "calvino" :)
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: They probably like my enthusiasm and want to see what occasioned it
    Storm Nordwind: hehe - great! And do you know if any have any taken up the practice?
    Eliza Madrigal: haha... If one is able to articulate PaB well, then its an attractive vision... for me I sometimes get tongue-tied
    Calvino Rabeni: But would it work for them? Who knows!
    Eliza Madrigal: works if you work it... hehe
    Storm Nordwind crashes the small cymbal for Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Calvino Rabeni: You can articulate it different for each person
    Calvino Rabeni: because there's something for everyone, potentially
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I do agree with that Cal... just being silly
    Calvino Rabeni: silly is good :)
    Liza Deischer: (i think I miss here something)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, sorry Liza. I was talking about 9 second practice... seems a simple thing but people look sometimes at you like you're suggesting something enormous...
    Liza Deischer: (something englsh :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Don't worry Liza, we were fencing in English clichés for a minute :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: So it is interesting to me to hear how others articulate PaB to those offline especially....
    Storm Nordwind: And the same person may articulate it differently to different people too
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Storm Nordwind: (But Cal already said that! ;)
    Eliza Madrigal nods

    Liza picks up on a word we've been using.
    Liza Deischer: ah, I just looked up 'articulate' and found out there are other meanings then I knew off
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh!
    Liza Deischer: so, I'm back on track :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Storm Nordwind: I think they have a common theme of flexibility - in movement or communication etc
    Liza Deischer: You use one and the same word for things we have two words for
    Calvino Rabeni: Not to explain or describe, but to express the idea's meaning in a way people relate well with
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: So there are different ways to go using language
    Liza Deischer: so my dictionary told me :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, maybe 'convey' is even better in this context....
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, convey is good
    Eliza Madrigal: one doesn't have to carve perfect sentences but a sense of things is understood
    Eliza Madrigal: very PaB :)
    Storm Nordwind: For articulate speech, I suspect two way communication is needed, not just one way
    Liza Deischer: yes, but sometimes one little word can really make you not understanding something at all

    How it feels sometimes trying to get a message over in SL!
    Storm Nordwind: So the speaker is always listening to see if the message is being understood
    Liza Deischer: hard to say in sl
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes very :)
    Calvino Rabeni: SL feels like piloting a ship using radar
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Liza Deischer: very strong radar is needed :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: echolocation
    Storm Nordwind: yes... often more like sonar, true
    Calvino Rabeni: "where a voices says = are you there? where another answers = are You there?"
    Calvino Rabeni: "I'm hardly here at all, alas"
    Calvino Rabeni: Echolocation
    Storm Nordwind: one knock for yes, two knocks for no [knock knock] ?!
    Calvino Rabeni: UDERE?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Or like prisoner stories, using tapping language
    Calvino Rabeni: But nicer that that :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Liza Deischer: much nicer
    Calvino Rabeni: The wallpaper os *much* prettier
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Storm, Liza, Calvino :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Time to go for me... always appreciate the nice company
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Liza Deischer: bye Eliza
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye then Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal waves

    Calvino raises the topic of how we sometimes stop noticing things after a while, and how we can shift that view.
    Calvino Rabeni: It's easy to take things for granted in SL, but sometimes things surprise me
    Storm Nordwind: Something do that recently?
    Calvino Rabeni: Storm has created a wonderful background for our activities
    Calvino Rabeni: But after a while I don't look carefully
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, recently I zoomed in on some very small earrings someone was wearing
    Calvino Rabeni: And found subtlety, detail and humor at that scale
    Calvino Rabeni: Almost like seeing a living creature in a microsocope
    Storm Nordwind nods. I suspect that may be true in RL too. I am seeing things here in Denver for the first time, things that my wife has 'seen' without seeing for years. Beginner's eyes.
    Liza Deischer: giving you a whole new perspective?
    Liza Deischer: sometimes I play being a tourist in my own town
    Storm Nordwind: That sounds fun!
    Liza Deischer: it is
    Calvino Rabeni: I try that, but it is difficult to see with new eyes
    Liza Deischer: you really start to look different at things you're passing by daily
    Calvino Rabeni: sometimes I go to a hillside to meditate and "drop"
    Storm Nordwind: In a way, it's easier to see things for the first time in SL. We can move the camera to view things from a completely new angle. Something we can't do in RL
    Liza Deischer: well I don't use 'new eyes' but being more observant
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Storm Nordwind: So Cal may zoom right in. Or I may view the pavilion from underground. Difficult to do either in RL!
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: In RL, any view can go infinitely deep in zoom. In SL you almost always reach the end of the virtualization quickly, where it has no more to reveal and present
    Liza Deischer: I suppose you're underground now Storm :-)

    We have a little class on using the Second Life "Show look at" feature.
    Liza Deischer: true but at the same time you can examine someone without the person knowing it
    Liza Deischer: you can't do that in rl, without someone knowing it
    Storm Nordwind: Oh they can know it Liza, they just don't know who's doing it!
    Liza Deischer: hmm, that kind of perception doesn't work for everyone
    Storm Nordwind: I meant in SL. You can always see if someone is zoomed into you (if you're ever interested)
    Liza Deischer: is that so
    Calvino Rabeni: How does that work?
    Storm Nordwind: Let me demonstrate
    Liza Deischer: becasue I'm right in your face now :-)
    Storm Nordwind: I know
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Do you both have the Advanced menu at the top left of your screens activated?
    Calvino Rabeni: no
    Liza Deischer: advanced menu?
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Storm Nordwind: Type ctrl-alt-D to show it
    Storm Nordwind: See, next to Help?
    Calvino Rabeni: I have it
    Liza Deischer: found it, but to a Mac it is different
    Storm Nordwind: OK. Now select Advanced > Character > Show look at
    Storm Nordwind: You will see colored crosswires appearing
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Storm Nordwind: The color code is not documented well
    Storm Nordwind: but pink/magenta means someone is zoomed in
    Liza Deischer: ok
    Storm Nordwind: If you are not zoomed in on your own face but you have magenta crosswires there, someone is zoomed in on you
    Liza Deischer: ok
    Storm Nordwind: Watch you own face Liza
    Liza Deischer: but you don't know who it is
    Storm Nordwind: Correct
    Liza Deischer: yes, I see
    Liza Deischer: nice feature
    Storm Nordwind: The crosswires are visible at long distances too
    Calvino Rabeni: Pink wires, storm is looking at liza
    Storm Nordwind: There are colors for just generally looking and one for looking at a popup display etc
    Liza Deischer: if it isn't you cal, than it is storm :-)
    Storm Nordwind: And flicking between us
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Storm Nordwind: Now I'm zoomed above the lotus
    Liza Deischer: but at what range are you zoomed in
    Calvino Rabeni: What am I looking at?
    Storm Nordwind: Any range. Close or distant
    Storm Nordwind: It's just alt-click (in PC speak)
    Calvino Rabeni: Can you determine my current likely view?
    Storm Nordwind: Far side of the pool for someone
    Calvino Rabeni: Mine
    Calvino Rabeni: but it is the waterfall
    Storm Nordwind: Usually coincides with a stable head position too
    Liza Deischer: you mean Storm that you can see somebody is zoomed in
    Storm Nordwind: You don't know their camera range Liza
    Liza Deischer: but I mean when does the pink crosswire come up
    Storm Nordwind: On a PC, when you alt + left click
    Liza Deischer: never mind :-)
    Storm Nordwind: Sorry - I'm a Mac ignoramus!
    Liza Deischer: no, that's not the problem
    Liza Deischer: because I understand what you mean
    Calvino Rabeni: someone looking at my t shirt image?
    Liza Deischer: but i realise I mostly use the mouse to get closer of get to a distance
    Liza Deischer: or get
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. But sometimes you can't get close enough
    Storm Nordwind: For example to look VERY closely at earrings is hard
    Liza Deischer: yes, then you use the alt-key
    Storm Nordwind: But then you can focus on something behind and zoom through
    Storm Nordwind: SL limits you to the distance you can zoom into a face
    Storm Nordwind: so you have to be sneaky :)
    Calvino Rabeni: The earrings had little glass globes with images inside
    Liza Deischer: wow
    Storm Nordwind: lovely!
    Liza Deischer: for sl-earrings
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes I thought so
    Storm Nordwind: There is an art to making microprims
    Calvino Rabeni: and no one would think to look there, so it is surprising for there to be anything in that place
    Calvino Rabeni: this is the main difference between SL and RL
    Liza Deischer: yes, you don't axpect so much detail in an sl-earring
    Calvino Rabeni: It highlights the benevolence and abundance of RL
    Storm Nordwind: Please excuse me. Thank you for the chat!
    Liza Deischer: and show point at is how you can see storm
    Liza Deischer: is somebody is a ghost
    Calvino Rabeni: YW - and thanks for the lessons :)
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. ghosts have no crosswires of any color anywhere
    Liza Deischer: ok, thanks
    Liza Deischer: nite Storm
    Storm Nordwind: bye for now
    Liza Deischer: I'm going too
    Calvino Rabeni: OK, see you later
    Liza Deischer: going to say good nigt to some friends
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Liza Deischer: see you cal
    Calvino Rabeni: bye
    Liza Deischer: bye
    Liza Deischer: I im you soon, for seeing each other
    Calvino Rabeni: sounds good :)
    Liza Deischer: but things seem to be coming up, somehow
    Liza Deischer: cu
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