2010.02.22 13:00 - A Dogs Life

    The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard.

      

      Agatha Macbeth: Timewarp?
      Wol Euler: it#s just a jump to the left.
      Agatha Macbeth groans
      Agatha Macbeth: I must watch that again soon
      Wol Euler grins.
      Agatha Macbeth: Brad & Janet...
      Wol Euler: forbidden planet
      Agatha MacbethAgatha Macbeth: First ones!
      : Truly
      Wol Euler: I see you shiver with anticip...
      Agatha Macbeth: :)
      Wol Euler: :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Who's GoC tonite?
      Wol Euler: erm, dunno. Mick?
      --BELL--
      Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, of course
      Agatha Macbeth: Bless 'im
      Wol Euler: well, I'm guessing. Is it?
      Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
      Wol Euler: ah :)
      Agatha Macbeth: For some reason I was thinking it was Tuesday
      Agatha Macbeth shrugs
      Wol Euler: wishing your life away
      Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
      Agatha Macbeth: Don't wanna do that :(
      Agatha Macbeth: There's little enough left as it is
      Bleu Oleander: hi!
      Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bleu :)
      Wol Euler: hello bleu
      Agatha Macbeth: Nice hair
      Bleu Oleander: thanks
      Wol Euler: um, can you see her? I can't (yet)
      Agatha Macbeth: If I couldn't see her....
      Agatha Macbeth sighs
      Agatha Macbeth: :)
      Bleu Oleander: nice hat!
      Agatha Macbeth: Thanks!
      Agatha Macbeth: Red and black, my fave colours
      Agatha Macbeth: You OK Bleu?
      Bleu Oleander: today or generally?
      Agatha Macbeth: Generally
      Bleu Oleander: always
      Bleu Oleander: you?
      Agatha Macbeth: Ah, good
      Wol Euler: :)
      Bleu Oleander: hey, what does it mean to claim a session?
      Agatha Macbeth: Where can our Mick be?
      Agatha Macbeth: Hi Yaku
      Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
      Bleu Oleander: hi Yaku
      Yakuzza Lethecus: that you post the log afterwards and edit it
      Yakuzza Lethecus: if needed
      Wol Euler: you declare yourself to be the Guardian on Call for the session
      Bleu Oleander: oh i see
      Wol Euler: but the point is editing and posting, yes.
      Wol Euler: (chat log)
      Agatha Macbeth: All very complicated...
      Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, not really
      Agatha Macbeth: I mean to me Yaku :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal
      Calvino Rabeni: Greetings all!
      Wol Euler: hello cal
      Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s just fancy terms like ,,GoC" and a website you have to get used to
      Agatha Macbeth: Here he is!
      Mickorod Renard: Hi,,sorry I am late,,loggin probs
      Bleu Oleander: hi Cal, Mick
      Agatha Macbeth: Try facing the other way Mick :)
      Agatha Macbeth: It's easier....
      Wol Euler: :)
      Mickorod Renard: he he
      Wol Euler: hello mick
      Yakuzza Lethecus: hey mick, ara
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Guys
      SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone :))
      Bleu Oleander: hey Bert
      Bertram Jacobus: hello all :-)
      Agatha Macbeth: Aha, it's Berti Navi!
      Yakuzza Lethecus: and bert
      Wol Euler: aww how sweet :)
      Bleu Oleander: hi Ara
      Mickorod Renard: hi Ara
      Agatha Macbeth: And Ara too :)
      arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
      Yakuzza Lethecus: ssl :)
      Wol Euler: hello bert, ara
      Agatha Macbeth: Hello Soph
      Wol Euler: hello zebn
      Wol Euler: -b
      Zen Arado: Hi Woll
      Agatha Macbeth: Stop hiding behind the pillar Zen
      Zen Arado: -l
      Zen Arado: :)
      Agatha Macbeth: We can see you
      Mickorod Renard: he he
      Zen Arado: was quietly rezzing
      Agatha Macbeth: No excuses dear :)
      Mickorod Renard: so, anyone got any fun idea's?
      Calvino Rabeni: Sure ! Oh, no, not fun :) Forget it :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Forget what?
      Mickorod Renard: I know that on my way to work,,driving,,thismorning,,I was heavy into thinkin about rubbish,,then I thought wait,,just enjoy the countryside,,it was so much better
      Wol Euler smiles.
      Agatha Macbeth: Any particular rubbish?
      Calvino Rabeni: Nominations for fun discussion topics ?
      Mickorod Renard: just usual stuff,,like what i have to do at work,,and all that sort
      Agatha Macbeth: Ah
      Agatha Macbeth: Know what you mean
      Mickorod Renard: why extend ur working day by thinking about it outside hours
      Agatha Macbeth: True
      --BELL--
      Mickorod Renard: but its quite easy to detach once u have the trick
      Mickorod Renard: oops
      Agatha Macbeth: Ssssh!
      Zen Arado: pity there's no off switch
      Zen Arado: or is there?
      Mickorod Renard: pity its not automatic,,cos its often a while before i realise I am worrying about things that i shouldnt be
      Agatha Macbeth: Is there what?
      Zen Arado: an off switch
      Mickorod Renard: a switch
      Agatha Macbeth: ???
      Mickorod Renard: I think there is
      Agatha Macbeth: What are we switching?
      Zen Arado: a way of quietening the mind quickly
      Mickorod Renard: its a change of focus
      Agatha Macbeth: Isn't that what the 90 secs is for?
      Zen Arado: some ppl go to bed and go to sleep straight away
      Mickorod Renard: yes,,exactly
      Agatha Macbeth: Me Zen
      Mickorod Renard: 90 secs is for training
      Zen Arado: lucky you :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes!
      Agatha Macbeth: Waking up is my problem ;-)
      Zen Arado: I have trouble both ends
      Agatha Macbeth: Oh...
      Calvino Rabeni: OH, I have trouble in the middle !
      Agatha Macbeth: Have you seen a doctor?
      arabella Ella: waking up is my big problem too
      Zen Arado: ha ha
      Mickorod Renard: I have recently managed to sleep longer than usual,,and also not wake up with bad thoughts
      Mickorod Renard: quite a turning point 4 me
      Agatha Macbeth: Sweet dreams are the key :)
      Calvino Rabeni: :) mick
      Mickorod Renard: :)
      Zen Arado: do you all get out of bed straightaway?
      Agatha Macbeth: Unfortunately, yes
      Calvino Rabeni: Hell no :)
      Mickorod Renard: I was dreaming of flying around a black hole the other day,,in my sleep
      SophiaSharon Larnia: my body, yes Zen :)
      Wol Euler: except on sundays, yes. I'm usually out of bed within a minute of oopening my eyes.
      Mickorod Renard: yes I do,,and into the shower immeadiatly
      Zen Arado: it's the best way I think
      Agatha Macbeth: Up and at 'em!
      Zen Arado: but I don't do it :)
      Mickorod Renard: no??
      Calvino Rabeni: Although for a while I tried leaping out of bed straightaway into a cold shower
      Wol Euler: I don't really have a choice :) I wake up ravenously hungry, with just enough energy left to get to the kitchen.
      arabella Ella: i dont get up immediately either
      Calvino Rabeni: somehow the practice didn't "stick"
      SophiaSharon Larnia: theres something lovely about hovering in an awake/asleep state until you wake up all the way though :)
      Agatha Macbeth: You have a shower in the bedroom?
      Zen Arado: easier if you have to go to work
      Calvino Rabeni: Yes soph I like that too
      arabella Ella agrees with SophiaSharon very much
      Zen Arado: or go back to sleep Sharon :)
      Mickorod Renard: I remember some vague past life where I enjoyed lolling around in bed half asleep
      SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles, have to watch out :) but aware of being awake, but the environment touching you lightly
      Agatha Macbeth: No Mick, that's THIS life you're thinking of
      arabella Ella: that is the best feeling SophiaSharon
      SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
      Mickorod Renard: ohh yea,,but it was a long time ago
      Agatha Macbeth sighs
      Zen Arado: getting everything going gets harder when you get older
      Agatha Macbeth: Mmm :(
      Zen Arado: or maybe not
      Bleu Oleander: get a dog .... end of problem
      Mickorod Renard: I guess the thing is,,u can go to sleep thinking of something u choose,,but wake up under little control over thoughts
      SophiaSharon Larnia: haha Bleu yes!
      Zen Arado: still miss my last little dog:(
      Wol Euler nods sympathetically
      Zen Arado: I had him nearly 14 years
      Agatha Macbeth: Woof woof
      Mickorod Renard: wow
      Zen Arado: so loving to me
      Bleu Oleander: 14 is pretty good!
      SophiaSharon Larnia: aww
      Zen Arado: unconditional
      Zen Arado: dogs live in the present
      Agatha Macbeth smiles
      Mickorod Renard: mine seems that way,,but food is his master
      Bleu Oleander: keeps me in the present!
      Zen Arado: do not keep a record of wrongs
      Mickorod Renard: mine is really annoying
      Zen Arado: why Mick?
      Mickorod Renard: he has a personal vendetta against me
      Agatha Macbeth: A Sicilian cat?
      Mickorod Renard: he has been trying to make me crazy for years
      Bleu Oleander: you have to stop eating his milkbones!
      Wol Euler: :)
      --BELL--
      Mickorod Renard: He was an escape artist,,could scale 5 foot high fences,,and run through the worst irrigation ditches all night and come home with 100 ticks on his body
      Mickorod Renard: just for starters
      SophiaSharon Larnia: sounds like a spunky work dog, maybe he needs a job :))
      Zen Arado: ah yes - they can have annoying habits
      Mickorod Renard: he he
      arabella Ella: he is just a happy and spontaneous puppy always young at heart Mick
      Zen Arado: chewing things when pups
      Mickorod Renard: naaah,,I think he has serious personal problems
      Agatha Macbeth: Including yer leg
      SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
      Zen Arado: mine destroyed the kitchen chairs
      Mickorod Renard: yes?
      Agatha Macbeth: With a chainsaw...
      Zen Arado: ate the sponge filling
      Zen Arado: ripped them arpart
      Mickorod Renard: I remember a friend of mine who had a new car,,one day she visited me and her dog had ripped up every seat in it
      Agatha Macbeth: Ah, pets eh?
      Zen Arado: it's aphase some go through
      Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni thinks this is a description of "the dreaming mind": He was an escape artist,,could scale 5 foot high fences,,and run through the worst irrigation ditches all night and come home with 100 ticks
      SophiaSharon Larnia: thats awful, at least it wasnt your dog
      Mickorod Renard: true
      Wol Euler remembers a Tom Hanks film, where he inherited a Mastiff or something. Demolished his car and his house, and saved his life.
      Agatha Macbeth: That was Lassie :)
      Calvino Rabeni: and slobbered famously
      Wol Euler snorts
      SophiaSharon Larnia: remembers that movie :)
      Wol Euler: what was it called?
      SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Calvino, the mind does seem like that at times
      Agatha Macbeth: 'Man's best friend'?
      Calvino Rabeni: something like "turner and hooch"
      Wol Euler thwaps you with a cushion.
      Zen Arado: been with man 40000 years I read somewhere
      SophiaSharon Larnia: yes it was i think
      arabella Ella: Hey Aga ... Human's best friend otherwise you eliminate 50 percent of humans
      Agatha Macbeth goes crosseyed and falls over
      Mickorod Renard: yea,,it makes u wonder what ur enemies wud be like
      Wol Euler: that sounds right, cal, ty
      Agatha Macbeth: It's a standard expression Ara :)
      arabella Ella: only with 'man' Zen?
      Agatha Macbeth: Cliche?
      arabella Ella: Well about time those expressions were changed
      Zen Arado: sorry with men/women :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Couldn't agree more!
      Bleu Oleander: hu-man = huperson
      Wol Euler: :)
      Zen Arado: :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Hu-mungous
      Calvino Rabeni: I can't remember ever meeting a "person"
      Mickorod Renard: as in uberman,,is there a female version?
      Agatha Macbeth: They probably can't remember meeting you either Cal...
      arabella Ella: Uebermensh
      arabella Ella: and you met humans surely Calvino?
      Calvino Rabeni: right aga
      Mickorod Renard: ty
      Agatha Macbeth: Uberfrau?
      arabella Ella: sounds bad Aga
      Zen Arado: what is a person?
      Wol Euler: a legal fiction :)
      Calvino Rabeni: DOn't think so - a lot of men, women, children etc.
      Zen Arado: qualifications for personhood?
      Calvino Rabeni: Couldn't find the average one anywhere
      Agatha Macbeth: I never wore one
      arabella Ella: well some philosophers say the 'self' is a fiction
      Mickorod Renard: a personification of a humans character?
      Bleu Oleander: who's fiction?
      Zen Arado: is a foetus a person?
      arabella Ella: and some prefer 'theories of persons' to 'theories of mind'
      Calvino Rabeni: they have a point arabella
      Wol Euler: stop. no.
      arabella Ella: Hume
      Wol Euler: we are not debating abortion here.
      Calvino Rabeni: :) wol
      Zen Arado: ok sure :)
      Zen Arado: person is not so easy to define is all
      Calvino Rabeni: debate "ambition" instead?
      Mickorod Renard: does anyone here find it increasingly dificult to have sensible conversations with people outside this group?
      Wol Euler: hehehehehe, yes mick
      Agatha Macbeth: Well it's not a dog anyways
      SophiaSharon Larnia: define sensible
      Agatha Macbeth: Or even inside?
      Zen Arado: whay is a dog not a person?
      Agatha Macbeth: :)
      Calvino Rabeni: They still do "sensible" if not "meaningful"?
      Agatha Macbeth: Cos it's a dog
      Mickorod Renard: well,,something that doesnt include trivial things,,like living etc
      Zen Arado: :)
      Bleu Oleander: hu-dog
      Zen Arado: it hasn't got a soul?
      Agatha Macbeth: Hu-jass
      Bleu Oleander: who does?
      Agatha Macbeth lowers the tone again
      Mickorod Renard: I guess a dog is a person within their own culture
      Wol Euler raises the cushion once more.
      Zen Arado: despairs
      Agatha Macbeth: Don't you dare....
      Zen Arado: because a dog is an animal?
      Agatha Macbeth: Anima = soul
      Calvino Rabeni: You look into its eyes - it looks back - and you know it
      Calvino Rabeni: ergo soul
      Wol Euler: yes, the looking back, the spark of recognition
      Agatha Macbeth: Before it bites you
      Zen Arado: :)
      --BELL--
      Zen Arado: my budgie was a person then
      Zen Arado: it even talked to me
      Zen Arado: he even talked to me:)
      Mickorod Renard: did you learn much from it Zen?
      Mickorod Renard: grin
      Agatha Macbeth: In what language?
      Zen Arado: yes that he was a pretty boy :)
      Mickorod Renard: he he he
      Wol Euler: :)
      Agatha Macbeth: (This is the world of Dr Doolittle...)
      Zen Arado: dogs have a vocabulary
      Mickorod Renard: we had a long line of budgies when I was a child,,all called the same name,,which incidentaly was my surname too,,very odd
      Zen Arado: at least they recognise words we speak
      Agatha Macbeth: Woof bark yap
      Zen Arado: I mean
      Agatha Macbeth: Or woof bark donkey
      Mickorod Renard: I think it must have been extreme coincidence that they all had the same name
      Zen Arado: about 40 I think
      Agatha Macbeth: Fido?
      Mickorod Renard: he he
      Zen Arado: walkies etc
      Agatha Macbeth: And SIT!
      Mickorod Renard: shhhh,,u will wake my dog up
      Zen Arado: sit, stay
      Bleu Oleander: in theory!
      Agatha Macbeth: Leave my leg alone...
      Zen Arado: here
      Zen Arado: get off the sofa
      Zen Arado: and sheepdogs are in a class of their own
      Agatha Macbeth: That's what the sheep say too
      Zen Arado: know whistle tones
      Calvino Rabeni: have you seen "extreme sheepherding" video?
      Wol Euler: ooh,yes!
      Mickorod Renard: I tried to train mine to search for money
      Agatha Macbeth: Not recently
      Wol Euler: amazing
      Zen Arado: nope
      Calvino Rabeni: those doggies were artists :)
      Wol Euler: indeed. Cleverer than some people I might name...
      Mickorod Renard: dont look at me Wol
      Wol Euler: certainly better at following orders :)
      Agatha Macbeth looks sideways at Wol
      Zen Arado: they are superior to humans in some respects yes
      Wol Euler: present company excepted, of COURSE.
      Agatha Macbeth: Hmmm
      Mickorod Renard: mmmm
      Agatha Macbeth: Snap
      Agatha Macbeth: Almost
      Zen Arado: sense of smell vastly superior
      Zen Arado: 1000 times better
      Zen Arado: laNGUAGE OF SMELLS
      Calvino Rabeni: better at doing practical things with the mouth
      Zen Arado: sorry caps
      Wol Euler: oh, damn, sorry Mick, I thought you were Calvino :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Poooh!
      Wol Euler: heheheh
      Mickorod Renard: noo,,I am the handsome one
      Agatha Macbeth: It's the hair
      Wol Euler laughs
      Agatha Macbeth: Or lack of
      Wol Euler: and the clothes
      Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
      Wol Euler: 'night yaku
      SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Yakuzza
      Mickorod Renard: nite Yaku
      Zen Arado: nite Yaku
      Bleu Oleander: nite Yaku
      Agatha Macbeth: Gute Nacht Yaku
      Agatha Macbeth: The men in black
      SophiaSharon Larnia: have to go myself, bye all :)
      Mickorod Renard: bye Sophia
      Wol Euler: bye sharon, take carew
      Agatha Macbeth: Bye Soph
      arabella Ella: bye SophiaSharon
      Zen Arado: bye Sharon
      Bleu Oleander: bye sharon
      Agatha Macbeth: Who's Carew?
      Agatha Macbeth: (First name Motley?)
      Zen Arado: :)
      Mickorod Renard: he he
      Wol Euler: brb
      Mickorod Renard: well,,at least we wernt disrupted tonite
      Agatha Macbeth: By whom?
      Mickorod Renard: we had lots of outsiders the other week
      Mickorod Renard: very disruptive
      Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, Bubbles and co.
      Mickorod Renard: yes
      Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we should put up a 'No Noobs' sign
      Zen Arado: and Squeak?
      Calvino Rabeni: Whose face on your shirt, Zen? Socrates? Dennet?
      Agatha Macbeth: No, don't think so...
      Mickorod Renard: any idea whats happened to Pema lately?
      Zen Arado: yep wa given it
      Mickorod Renard: is he away?
      Zen Arado: he was at an earlier pab session
      Mickorod Renard: yes?
      Agatha Macbeth: Is he in Japan?
      Zen Arado: the 7am one
      Mickorod Renard: ahh
      --BELL--
      Agatha Macbeth: Funny times there, SL-wise
      Mickorod Renard: yes?
      Agatha Macbeth: Always sleeping or eating time
      Mickorod Renard: ohh
      Zen Arado: he is back in the usa I think
      Agatha Macbeth: Oh
      Mickorod Renard: Thanks
      Agatha Macbeth: God, he gets about...
      Bleu Oleander: gtg .... got to feed my dogs ..... bfn
      arabella Ella: bye Bleu
      Zen Arado: Socrates used to go around the marketplace and challenge ppl's beliefs
      Mickorod Renard: bye Blue
      Agatha Macbeth: See ya Bleu :)
      Zen Arado: bye Bleu
      Calvino Rabeni: "So you think that's a banana, do you?"
      Agatha Macbeth: Er, nio
      Zen Arado: he was forced to kill himself by drinking hemlock
      Agatha Macbeth: Er, no
      Agatha Macbeth: Who was?
      Mickorod Renard: who forced him?
      Zen Arado: Socrates
      Agatha Macbeth: Was he the one who jumped out the bath?
      Zen Arado: the govt of the day fro spresding idea among the youth
      Agatha Macbeth: Or was that archimedes?
      Calvino Rabeni: It was politics, not impertinence in the marketplace, that got him axed
      Mickorod Renard: mmmm...yes
      Zen Arado: yes he was a bad influence they said
      Zen Arado: he had a nagging wife
      Mickorod Renard: well,,that says it all
      Calvino Rabeni: More like treason than like advocating immoral lifestyles
      Agatha Macbeth: 'When a body is wholly or partially immersed in a fluid......'
      Zen Arado: but he said it was like a w
      Calvino Rabeni: archimedes was the bather
      Agatha Macbeth: Ah
      Zen Arado: living near a waterwheel - you get used to it :)
      Mickorod Renard: but there must have been a quicker way to commit suicide?
      Agatha Macbeth: TY Cal
      Zen Arado: was it suicide?
      Mickorod Renard: I thought he was escaping his nagging wife?
      Agatha Macbeth: It was prof. Plum with a gun
      Agatha Macbeth: In the library
      Zen Arado: :)
      Zen Arado: we had to denate this topic in philosophy
      Zen Arado: debate
      Mickorod Renard: I see
      Mickorod Renard: what was the end verdict?
      Zen Arado: he drank the hemlock of his own volition
      Mickorod Renard: a ha..it was suicide then?
      Zen Arado: but he was coerced into doing it
      Wol Euler chuckles at cal's tag.
      Agatha Macbeth: Hemlock on the rocks
      Mickorod Renard: coerced by his wife no doubt
      Wol Euler: ((for the log: "cup of philosophy anyone?"))
      Calvino Rabeni: regular , decaf, or hemlock, Wol?
      Zen Arado: don't know
      Wol Euler: double decaf with a twist of lemon
      Zen Arado: what is hemlock anyway?
      Agatha Macbeth: Some kind of plant?
      Calvino Rabeni: a poison bush, like a yew, perhaps
      Zen Arado: maybe - wonder if it was painful
      Agatha Macbeth: Not afterwards, no
      Mickorod Renard: some used to take mercury for medicinal purposes in the past
      Agatha Macbeth: Freddie?
      Mickorod Renard: lol
      Zen Arado: yes and opium
      Mickorod Renard: regularly
      Agatha Macbeth: And nicotine
      Zen Arado: laudanum
      Mickorod Renard: caffine
      Agatha Macbeth: Amazing what crap some people will put in their bodies
      Zen Arado: tea
      Mickorod Renard: salt
      Zen Arado: supplements?
      Zen Arado: coq 10
      Mickorod Renard: watz that for Zen?
      Zen Arado: used to try them but now think them a waste of money
      Agatha Macbeth: A bit of coq eh Zen?
      Zen Arado: they say it gives energy or something
      Zen Arado: careful Aga :)
      Agatha Macbeth grins
      Mickorod Renard: a bit of skipin ur walk
      Agatha Macbeth: I like coq au vin
      Zen Arado: they put it in all sorts of things now
      Zen Arado: face creams for one
      Agatha Macbeth: Egad
      Mickorod Renard: hang on,,this is getting too suggestive
      Zen Arado: sounds scientific you see
      Agatha Macbeth: What is?
      Agatha Macbeth: Nudge nudge wink wink
      Mickorod Renard: face cream
      Zen Arado: coq 10
      --BELL--
      Wol Euler: Wikipedia: "According to the Mayo Clinic[34] "CoQ10 has been used, recommended, or studied for numerous conditions, but remains controversial as a treatment in many areas." Further clinical results are needed to determine whether the supplementation with coenzyme Q10 is beneficial for healthy people."
      Agatha Macbeth: Well there you go
      Mickorod Renard: I may give it a miss
      Zen Arado: but if you have a medical condition that has no known treatment you can be duped into trying these things
      Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
      Mickorod Renard: well,,duped may be a strong word
      Wol Euler: ah, ara is finally rezzing for me :)
      Zen Arado: I know ppl who take massice doses of the stuff
      Agatha Macbeth: Or a true one
      Mickorod Renard: half a chance is worth it
      Bertram Jacobus: lol wol :o)
      Zen Arado: massive
      Zen Arado: that is the reasoning Mick
      Zen Arado: but it is expensive
      Mickorod Renard: yea,,I tried some stuff once when I seemed totally nackered
      Agatha Macbeth: Did it work?
      Wol Euler: did it work better than a cup of cocoa and 8 hours sleep?
      Mickorod Renard: it was for old folk,,a pick me up,,worked well
      Zen Arado: there is a US company called Life Extension Foundation
      Agatha Macbeth: Should have worked for you then Mick :)
      Zen Arado: sells supplements that claim to prolong life
      Zen Arado: does ver well too
      Mickorod Renard: I am sure that at times a lil pick me up works well,,but best to manage it naturally I think
      Zen Arado: placebo effect is powerful
      Mickorod Renard: yes,,I take lots of placebo
      Mickorod Renard: cheap too
      Agatha Macbeth: Sophia?
      Zen Arado: no you don't
      Mickorod Renard: yes,,sweets and stuff
      Zen Arado: they wouldn't work then :)
      Wol Euler: :)
      Wol Euler: I've always wanted to see a clinical comparison of the various placebos :)
      Mickorod Renard: well, I have observed how much chocolate is consumed at work by collegues when things are tough
      Wol Euler: some do better than "real" drugs
      Zen Arado: but that is a sugar hit ?
      Mickorod Renard: maybe,,but it has the effect
      Zen Arado: or comfort eating
      Mickorod Renard: but yes, I know that placebo's do work
      Agatha Macbeth: Or comfort drinking
      Zen Arado: oh yes they work
      Zen Arado: a big factor even in effective drugs
      Zen Arado: a percentage of their eficacy is the placebo
      Zen Arado: I think anyway
      Mickorod Renard: also many drugs prescribed are a waste of time too
      Zen Arado: your body heals itself
      Mickorod Renard: yes
      Mickorod Renard: a week to get better with the tablets,,or 7 days without
      Mickorod Renard: this also can be evidence of the power of the mind
      Mickorod Renard: positive thought
      Mickorod Renard: a feeling of well being
      Zen Arado: there was a TV prog lately about pill popping
      Mickorod Renard: yes?
      Zen Arado: SRI's were criticised
      Zen Arado: prozac, seroxat etc
      Mickorod Renard: yes,,they worry me
      Zen Arado: they all have side effects
      Calvino Rabeni: / \ / \ RL calling / \ / \
      Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni slips out
      Mickorod Renard: bye Cal
      Zen Arado: bye Cal
      arabella Ella: bye Calvino
      Mickorod Renard: thanks 4 comming
      Agatha Macbeth: Nite Cal
      Wol Euler: bye cal, take care
      Mickorod Renard: its the dependency that worries me
      Zen Arado: you can never be sure what will happen when you release a new drug what the effects will be
      Zen Arado: that too Mick
      --BELL--
      Zen Arado: Thalidimide was so bad
      Mickorod Renard: I heard some folk talking very liberally about them the other day,,I know they can be important,,but still some reservation be held re long term use
      Mickorod Renard: yes it was
      Mickorod Renard: even more subtle drugs have had effects,,not widespread known
      Zen Arado: to be used sparingly and with caution....
      Mickorod Renard: like the one in the late 50's for morning sickness I think
      Mickorod Renard: left subtle abnormalities in womens reproductive area,,so I read I think
      Zen Arado: getting late - I better go
      Mickorod Renard: bye Zen,,sleep tite
      Agatha Macbeth: Bye Zen
      arabella Ella: bye Zen
      Zen Arado: bye all :)
      Wol Euler: bye zen, take care
      Mickorod Renard: I must go too,,and must remember to post the log as well
      Agatha Macbeth: Would help :)
      Agatha Macbeth: In the Navi......
      Mickorod Renard: I think I will post this one without altering it
      Wol Euler: :)
      arabella Ella: bye Mick
      Bertram Jacobus: bye mick
      Agatha Macbeth: No Noobs to edit out ;-)
      Mickorod Renard: bye bye folks
      Wol Euler: 'night mick, take care
      Agatha Macbeth: C ya Mick , have fun
      Mickorod Renard: ta
      arabella Ella: I must go nite all!
      Bertram Jacobus: bye ara ...
      Wol Euler: goodnight ara, sleep well
      Agatha Macbeth: Bye Ara :)
      Agatha Macbeth: I seem to have double vision
      Wol Euler: :)
      Bertram Jacobus: nooo :-)
      Bertram Jacobus: no double no vision :o)
      Agatha Macbeth: Blue is the colour...
      Bertram Jacobus: of ?
      Agatha Macbeth: Blue heaven?
      Bertram Jacobus: yes. i heard it made happy
      Agatha Macbeth: Blue Monday?
      Agatha Macbeth: Rhapsody in blue?
      Bertram Jacobus: blue moon label
      Agatha Macbeth: Blue bird
      Agatha Macbeth: Blue boy ;-)
      Bertram Jacobus: a coulor. amongst others
      Bertram Jacobus: colour*
      Bertram Jacobus: sometimes nice
      Bertram Jacobus: sometimes even very nice
      Agatha Macbeth: I prefer red :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Or black
      Bertram Jacobus: i could not say so. many colours i like
      Bertram Jacobus: question of ... all lol
      Wol Euler: I'm not keen on brown or purple :)
      Wol Euler: but most of the others I like
      Agatha Macbeth: I hate brown
      Agatha Macbeth: Probably because it's the colour of...
      Wol Euler: ... fascism?
      Agatha Macbeth: I was thinking of shit actually
      Agatha Macbeth: Same thing
      Wol Euler: yes.
      Agatha Macbeth: :)
      Bertram Jacobus: nice ones agatha
      --BELL--
      Wol Euler: :)
      Bertram Jacobus: but a tail out of your breast (??)
      Bertram Jacobus: (oops) :o)
      Agatha Macbeth: Eh?
      Wol Euler: nice, I like the zigglies
      Wol Euler: chest fur, that is :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Never heard them?
      Agatha Macbeth: Ziggly stardust?
      Wol Euler: your zigglies, the green designs :)
      Wol Euler: (we in the industry call them zigglies.)
      Agatha Macbeth: Those are the electric bits :)
      Bertram Jacobus: but what is that coming out of your avas breast ?
      Agatha Macbeth: Fur!
      Bertram Jacobus: ah. sry. silly me
      Agatha Macbeth: I think
      Bertram Jacobus: whaow - 23:45 here ! longest meeting i ever joined my be - so time to go ! ;o)
      Agatha Macbeth: Awwwooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
      Wol Euler: :)
      Agatha Macbeth: The hour of the wolf Bert
      Wol Euler: bye bert, schlaf gut
      Bertram Jacobus: hm
      Bertram Jacobus: yes
      Bertram Jacobus: 12 minutes left
      Agatha Macbeth: C ya Berti
      Bertram Jacobus: until unsafeness begins
      Wol Euler: I should go too, it's getting to midnight and I have to be up early
      Bertram Jacobus: :o)
      Agatha Macbeth: Nite all
      Bertram Jacobus: ty all, both
      Wol Euler: bye!
      Bertram Jacobus: such nice accompanying always ...
      Wol Euler: goodnight

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