2010.02.24 19:00 - Awareness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

    Reflection Freenote, Widget Whiteberry and I began the evening, I never met Reflection so we chatted about his coming to PaB which led to our topic.


    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Widget
    Widget Whiteberry: good evening
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Reflection
    Reflection Freenote: hello folks
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am sorry, I thought I heard the 90 second gong, was waiting for the time to pass
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
    stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before Reflection?
    Reflection Freenote: yes, I have, on one occasion
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome back
    Reflection Freenote: ty:)
    Widget Whiteberry: I am sitting here 'collecting myself'
    stevenaia Michinaga: feel free, an interesting phase, what are you collecting?
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm
    Widget Whiteberry: a long time sl friend is in the hospital
    Widget Whiteberry: today, I feel the danger he is in
    Widget Whiteberry: other friends are out of touch
    Widget Whiteberry: I feel their absense
    Widget Whiteberry: absence
    stevenaia Michinaga: those are deep feelings
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Reflection Freenote: sorry widg
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Widget Whiteberry: these are saddening things
    stevenaia Michinaga: Take my good wishes for them
    stevenaia Michinaga: and you
    Widget Whiteberry: I'm letting myself feel them
    Widget Whiteberry: ty both
    Widget Whiteberry: these are SL friendships
    Widget Whiteberry: they feel no different to me than 1st Life friendships
    stevenaia Michinaga: some of my deepest friendships are online, sl and other internet meeting places
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: people I have never met in RL
    Reflection Freenote: yes, it does seem at times of trouble that we are less immediately available to our SL friends
    Reflection Freenote: the flip side of the ease of making such close friends, at such great distances
    Widget Whiteberry: Chris is less available because he is unconscious... I'm grateful to be connected to him through his wife ... on facebook
    Widget Whiteberry: so I read the daily update
    Widget Whiteberry: I hope the 3 of us will be face to face one day
    Widget Whiteberry: Others though, when they are absent
    Widget Whiteberry: there is no way to know how they are
    stevenaia Michinaga: this place makes distance irrelevant, until you wish to meet, ofcourse
    Widget Whiteberry: whether they are well
    Widget Whiteberry: in those moments - where there is pain or danger or illness
    Widget Whiteberry: the distance, the firewall
    Widget Whiteberry: is excruciating
    Reflection Freenote: yes, you can't give your friend a lift to the Emergency Room
    Widget Whiteberry: or bring chicken soup
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, you can still be "touched" deeply here
    Widget Whiteberry: to his family
    Reflection Freenote: and of course, if someone just drops out, sometimes there is no way of knowing what has happened, unless you have made RL connections
    stevenaia Michinaga: you can still offer comfort
    stevenaia Michinaga: and understanding
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm, yes
    Widget Whiteberry: we can talk of other things
    stevenaia Michinaga: ofcourse

    I began a new subject per Widget's prompt.


    stevenaia Michinaga: So Reflection, what brought you to this group?
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Reflection Freenote: the last time I was here, there was an interesting discussion
    Reflection Freenote: also a friend of mine is highly involved, Yakuza
    Widget Whiteberry: what interested you. Reflection?
    Widget Whiteberry: Yakuza, yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: aww, yes
    Reflection Freenote: I can't remember the topic at the moment steve
    Reflection Freenote: something to do with awareness, perhaps
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, there is always awareness
    Reflection Freenote: actually, I think awareness is fairly rare;-)
    Widget Whiteberry: ^^
    Widget Whiteberry: well, there are degrees of awareness, right?
    Widget Whiteberry: at least for me
    stevenaia Michinaga: I always see what Wikipedia says about such things
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness
    Reflection Freenote: yes, I am using the buddhist definition of awareness, so different than say, consciousness
    Widget Whiteberry: how are they different?
    stevenaia Michinaga: can you explain (not being a Buddhist)
    Reflection Freenote: a being can be conscious, which is to be awake and aware of stimuli and thoughts and feelings
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Reflection Freenote: but to be aware in the buddhist sense, is to be aware of reality as it is, and so beyond or beneath the categories of perception which our brains and our cultures insist upon
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm, cognitive scientists tell us that 95% or so of what the mind does is not accessible to conscious thought
    stevenaia Michinaga: so not simple of awareness of things, but an awareness about things
    Widget Whiteberry: if 5% is available, perhaps awareness covers the 5%
    Widget Whiteberry: and most of us are nowhere near that
    Reflection Freenote: the awareness I'm discussing is certainly about putting in abeyance most of the primary dimensions of conscious thought which we typically rely on
    Reflection Freenote: so for example to be aware is always to be in the present, in this sense, as all thought about future and past is fantasy, rather than reality (for example)
    stevenaia Michinaga: not as in reality because that is more than the "moment?
    Widget Whiteberry: to be in the present absent 'most of the primary dimensions of conscious thought which we typically rely on'?
    Widget Whiteberry: seems contradictory
    Reflection Freenote: most of our conscious thought is not about what is present, for example, is what I am suggesting widget, although this is only one dimension of unreality
    Reflection Freenote: I don't know that reality is more than the present steve, although that is truly murky. That is whether "time" has any fundamental reality to it, is a topic of some debate in theoretical physics, I believe
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be sleepy, I had a nap-like dream just then and you were in to speaking , Reflection
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Reflection Freenote: so, widget all the conceptions of reality which I entertain in the moment of reality, are themselves concepts, rather than realities (although they may point meaningfully at reality)
    Widget Whiteberry grins
    Widget Whiteberry: do you experience those concepts as embodied?
    Reflection Freenote: what do you mean widget?
    Widget Whiteberry: if you describe them, do they relate to physical experience?
    Widget Whiteberry: for instance
    Widget Whiteberry: I feel the prospect of death as a cold thing
    Widget Whiteberry: I feel the absence of friends whose well being is unknown to me
    Widget Whiteberry: as a kind of
    Reflection Freenote: I think, generally, if I am describing some physical experience, it is generally likely to be related to something real
    Widget Whiteberry: hmm
    Widget Whiteberry: physical loss
    Widget Whiteberry: an emptiness
    Widget Whiteberry: my
    Widget Whiteberry: I need to cheer up, don't I
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Widget Whiteberry: or at least not cast gloom around
    Widget Whiteberry: I could do an eyore impression
    Widget Whiteberry: we need Wol here
    Widget Whiteberry: and someone to be Pooh and Piglet
    stevenaia Michinaga: "eyore impression"?
    Reflection Freenote: oh, I imagine steve and I are sturdy enough to withstand the weight widget;-)
    Widget Whiteberry: comforting thought, Reflection
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, true
    Widget Whiteberry: Eyore is the gloomy, pessimistic donkey in Winnie the Pooh
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have been know to pull people out of the depths with a phone call
    Widget Whiteberry: a powerful recommendation
    Reflection Freenote: I love that depressive robot in the hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy, sort of an undated Eyore
    Widget Whiteberry: hello Benedizione
    Benedizione Vita: allo
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome Bene
    stevenaia Michinaga: hell Agent, have you been here before?
    Agent Madeye: no
    stevenaia Michinaga: let we welcome you to our group
    Agent Madeye: hello every1
    Agent Madeye: can i use voice
    Widget Whiteberry: come sit with us by the pool
    stevenaia Michinaga: we record our conversations and post them on the groups wiki, is it ok to include you?
    Agent Madeye: ok
    stevenaia Michinaga: I gave you an introduction to our group
    stevenaia Michinaga: we generally do not use voice (difficult to post voice to the wiki)
    stevenaia Michinaga: we come here 4 times a day to discuss the nature of reality
    Agent Madeye: ooooooo very interesting
    Agent Madeye: i am not an intellectual
    stevenaia Michinaga: it has kept us engaged for the past few years, you will fit in just fine and that case
    stevenaia Michinaga: *in
    stevenaia Michinaga: much of what we do is listen
    stevenaia Michinaga: how did you find us, Agent
    Agent Madeye: i dont know
    stevenaia Michinaga: then it must have been meant to be
    Benedizione Vita: Agent, it is time for you to take the oath and join the cult. Please begin by IMing me your RL bank account number
    Agent Madeye: ha
    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, that only work on intellectuals
    Benedizione Vita: I'm still waiting on yours, Steve, the last one you gave me wasn't real ;)
    Agent Madeye: right lol
    Benedizione Vita: please pardon my hijinx--welcome, agent :)
    Agent Madeye: ty
    Widget Whiteberry sits quietly waiting for someone to break down and provide acct numbers
    Benedizione Vita: incidentally, I have discovered it is possible to sit on the torches
    stevenaia Michinaga: hopes Bene does not have gas
    Reflection Freenote: OK, OK, OK I give, uncle!! 852024059485039482\
    Benedizione Vita: I hope that is your account balance, Reflection
    Widget Whiteberry grins
    stevenaia Michinaga: there was talk of a "tip jar", this is so much more efficient
    Widget Whiteberry: hee
    Benedizione Vita: onigokko
    Benedizione Vita: ssstop
    Benedizione Vita: stop
    Agent Madeye: cute
    Agent Madeye: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks bene, my legs were falling asleep
    Benedizione Vita: pleasure, steve
    Benedizione Vita: :)
    Widget Whiteberry: ok, pls do that again
    Widget Whiteberry: I'm wearing it
    stevenaia Michinaga: pls wear this
    Widget Whiteberry: and stand
    Benedizione Vita: I have it steve :)
    Benedizione Vita: onigokko
    Benedizione Vita: stop
    Widget Whiteberry: it doesn't like sits as well
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, now you have another :)
    Benedizione Vita: haha thank you sir ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: onigokko
    stevenaia Michinaga: stop
    Benedizione Vita: oohp, you caught me
    Benedizione Vita: I was faking
    Benedizione Vita: hahahaha
    stevenaia Michinaga: you do that well
    stevenaia Michinaga: /hide
    Benedizione Vita: what just happened
    stevenaia Michinaga: now my feet won;t get wet
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Widget Whiteberry: uh oh
    Benedizione Vita: well, I'd best be off
    Benedizione Vita: happy pab, all
    stevenaia Michinaga: see you soon Bene
    stevenaia Michinaga: is there anything we can do Widget to cheer you up
    Widget Whiteberry: I'll be better after I sleep
    Widget Whiteberry: but thank you
    Widget Whiteberry: strange not to have the pool here
    Reflection Freenote: it might even be ok to worry about a close friend who is ill
    Widget Whiteberry: yes, I think so Reflection
    Widget Whiteberry: sometimes sad is appropriate
    Widget Whiteberry: tomorrow I'll go to the gym
    Reflection Freenote: we will hope that he will be better soon
    Widget Whiteberry: hey, who fixed the pool?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I did
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆

    The magic incantations for the pool are revealed!

    Widget Whiteberry: I'm going to go hear some live music in a minute or two
    stevenaia Michinaga: in SL?
    Widget Whiteberry: aha
    Widget Whiteberry: in SL< yes
    Widget Whiteberry: music helps
    stevenaia Michinaga: Storm did a brilliant job
    Reflection Freenote: have a good evening folks:))
    Widget Whiteberry: ty, you too
    stevenaia Michinaga: night reflections
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Widget
    Widget Whiteberry: night
    stevenaia Michinaga: you know you are walking on water
    Widget Whiteberry: there is the landmark if either of you are interested
    Widget Whiteberry: oh, I do that from time to time
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks, what kind of music?
    Widget Whiteberry: I hear it's Celtic
    Widget Whiteberry: recommended to me
    stevenaia Michinaga: I may tag along
    Widget Whiteberry: that would be very nice
    Agent Madeye: right ill bugger off then
    Agent Madeye: bye
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye
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