2010.02.25 13:00 - lucid dreaming

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

    Bertram Jacobus: hey lia ! ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: "long time no see" ;-)
    Lia Rikugun: wow new clothes
    Bertram Jacobus: yess ... :-)
    Lia Rikugun: is this a navi?
    Lia Rikugun: your avatar's avatar?
    Bertram Jacobus: yess :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and no
    Lia Rikugun: nice!
    Lia Rikugun: no?
    Bertram Jacobus: not my avatar's avatar : my avatar ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: it's a bit of ... me
    Lia Rikugun: :) very good to have a bit of you here
    Bertram Jacobus: i don't put it so "far away from me" ... ;-9
    Bertram Jacobus: ty lia, very kind ... :-)
    Lia Rikugun: so tell me how are you?
    Bertram Jacobus: ty. fine. i like the avatar playing here on pandora ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and the here so called "rl" is ok, too - and how about you ? :-)
    Lia Rikugun: we are on pandora? you see, i didnt know that
    Bertram Jacobus: hello bleu ! :-)
    Lia Rikugun: hello bleu
    Bertram Jacobus: noo - pandora exists in sl too
    Lia Rikugun: i am fine too
    Bleu Oleander: hi bert and lia
    Bertram Jacobus: here is bieup :o)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: so many worlds now (!) ...
    Bertram Jacobus: here, there and everywhere ... :-D
    Bertram Jacobus: bleu found a heat ? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and lia a tail ? :-)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Lia Rikugun: you mean hat :)
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. yes. sry
    Bertram Jacobus: heat lol
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Bleu Oleander: actually heat too .... it's in the 70's today here
    Bertram Jacobus: hey sharon ! ... :-)
    Lia Rikugun: what thats in celsius?
    Lia Rikugun: hello sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone! :)
    Bertram Jacobus: the 70's ... was the flower-power age ... ;-)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Sharon
    Lia Rikugun: 21Celsius
    Lia Rikugun: how are you all today?
    Bleu Oleander: great ... you?
    Bertram Jacobus: i already reported ... :o)


    I had had an interesting experience during my sleep. My dreams felt much more vivid and my awareness was very high. 

    Lia Rikugun: i made some interesting experience
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very well, thanks!! something just came up brb!
    Lia Rikugun: during my sleep
    Bertram Jacobus: [13:03] Bertram Jacobus: ty. fine. i like the avatar playing here on pandora ... [13:03] Bertram Jacobus: and the here so called "rl" is ok, too
    Lia Rikugun: everything felt much more vivid
    Lia Rikugun: and i was more aware while dreaming
    Lia Rikugun: very weird
    Lia Rikugun: so this was interesting
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: my dreams and sleeping times are very unspectacular ...
    Lia Rikugun: :) as long as you wake up full of energy!
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. i do (!) :-)
    Lia Rikugun: yeah!
    Bertram Jacobus: yes (!) and that's why i love it. as it is
    Bertram Jacobus: what do your dream experiences mean to you lia please ?
    Lia Rikugun: ok i was reading a book
    Lia Rikugun: where it is written that the soul leaves the body during the sleep
    SophiaSharon Larnia: back and reading :) More aware while dreaming Lia?
    Lia Rikugun: this sounds very spectatcular
    Lia Rikugun: but i wanted to try out
    Lia Rikugun: what it would feel like if this was true
    Lia Rikugun: so somehow what would be the consequences
    Lia Rikugun: so this is what i thought of
    Lia Rikugun: and somehow my dreaming because more aware
    Lia Rikugun: i was very present in my dreaming
    Lia Rikugun: i dont know why or how
    Lia Rikugun: maybe it is also due to jetleg which i still have
    Lia Rikugun: it was just interesting to feel that
    Lia Rikugun: one problem:
    Lia Rikugun: i wake up in the morning and am completely tired
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sleep disturbances do cause me to remember my dreams more, sometimes, but not more awre in them :)
    Lia Rikugun: maybe my awareness needs some sleep to?
    Lia Rikugun: yes yes sophia this is the same for me too
    Lia Rikugun: if i wake up during the night i remember my dreams better
    Lia Rikugun: but now i felt myself very strong inside
    Lia Rikugun: and feelings where very present
    Lia Rikugun: am wondering what will happen tonight


    Bertram has similar experiences during the days which he calls later lucid dreaming.

    Bertram Jacobus: for me, the days are similar . always new things happen. and i could say the same, inspired bye lia : "what will happen tomorrow ?!" ... ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Corvi, nice to see you :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hello!
    Lia Rikugun: hi corvi
    Bertram Jacobus: hey corvi ! ... ;-9
    Bleu Oleander: hi corvi
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: It's nice to see ya'll again, too.
    Lia Rikugun: how are you corvi?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'm very well, you?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, if you can't make it to a session, Lia, maybe you can let us know by email?
    Lia Rikugun: thats nice to hear :) , good thank you
    Lia Rikugun: would you like to know?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :)
    Lia Rikugun: i dont want to spam everybody
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah yes i forgot about that sorry
    Lia Rikugun: i can send you a message
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)ok
    Lia Rikugun: but lets see what will happen .. :)
    Lia Rikugun: corvi we were talking about dreaming
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Lia Rikugun: and that i had the experience of being very present in my dreams lately
    Lia Rikugun: like my awareness is coming too 100%
    Lia Rikugun: but i dont want to talk so much :)
    Bertram Jacobus: for me, the days seem to be similar as lias dreams. always new things happen. and i could say the same, inspired bye lia : "what will happen tomorrow ?!" ... ;-)
    arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Ara
    Bertram Jacobus: heyy ara ! ... :-)
    Lia Rikugun: yes always new adventures every day
    Bleu Oleander: hi ara
    Lia Rikugun: hi ara
    Bertram Jacobus: more then that - unreal things happen ...
    Lia Rikugun: tell us more bertram
    Bleu Oleander: Lia, I think that's called Lucid dreaming ... your experience
    SophiaSharon Larnia: /is watching the pure spirit circling around Bertram's head
    Lia Rikugun: :) i am curious
    Bertram Jacobus: seemingly unreal naturally
    Lia Rikugun: can you give us an example?
    Bertram Jacobus: i think no lol
    Lia Rikugun: ohh :(
    Bertram Jacobus: it's heavy to describe
    Lia Rikugun: ok no problem
    arabella Ella: too personal i guess?
    Lia Rikugun: can you try?
    Bertram Jacobus: kinda unbelievable :o)
    Lia Rikugun: if its not unconfortable for you
    Bertram Jacobus: no. i only feel not able to do so. sry.
    Lia Rikugun: hm maybe i need to google it then :)
    Lia Rikugun: google has the answer to everything ...
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Bertram Jacobus: lol. what would you google rhen, for example ? :-)
    Lia Rikugun: lucid dreaming
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! good :o)
    Lia Rikugun: or do you have a definition ?
    Lia Rikugun: (trying again :)
    Bertram Jacobus: no. i fear such.
    Bleu Oleander: you know you are experiencing a dream
    Bleu Oleander: feel more present


    the mix between a dream and reality?

    Lia Rikugun: how does it mix with reality?
    Bleu Oleander: have access to your conscious experiences
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry, i have something to deal with in rl, nice to see you all
    Bleu Oleander: and your senses seem to function
    Lia Rikugun: nice to see you too
    Lia Rikugun: byebye
    arabella Ella: bye SophiaSharon
    Bleu Oleander: bye
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye!
    Lia Rikugun: so you can see around you
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Lia Rikugun: and you can feel the chair for example
    Lia Rikugun: but you are also dreaming
    Bleu Oleander: you feel like you are awake but you know you are dreaming
    Lia Rikugun: and what you see in the dream is not what you see around you?
    Lia Rikugun: but are you awake or not?
    Lia Rikugun: or does it matter?
    Lia Rikugun: maybe not :)
    Bleu Oleander: you are not fully awake
    arabella Ella: There are many stages between being awake and sleeping
    Lia Rikugun: ok so maybe it is similar to what i experienced?
    Bleu Oleander: apparently you can consciously bring it on
    Lia Rikugun: maybe i need to read more about that
    Lia Rikugun: thank you for explaining it to me :)


    bertram tells us that he could fall asleep during a daydream/lucid-dream when he was a child

    Bertram Jacobus: as a child ...
    Bertram Jacobus: i once tried to fall asleep experiencing it, fully aware
    Bertram Jacobus: and it worked
    Bertram Jacobus: today that doesn't work anymore
    Bertram Jacobus: hey mick :-)
    arabella Ella: Hiya Mick
    Lia Rikugun: hello mick
    Bleu Oleander: hi mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya
    Lia Rikugun: why did you want to fall asleep bertram?
    Bertram Jacobus: it was a spontaneuos idea
    Lia Rikugun: during the lucid dream
    Bertram Jacobus: may be i was just curious
    Lia Rikugun: just to experiment?
    Lia Rikugun: ok
    Lia Rikugun: why do you think it doesnt work anymore?
    arabella Ella: maybe to go deeper into the dream?
    Bertram Jacobus: no idea . never thougt about it. have to admit that - hm
    Bertram Jacobus: may be too much blah blah in my mind as an adult ... (?) ... ;o)
    Bertram Jacobus: hey stevenaia :-)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi steve
    arabella Ella: Hiya Steve
    Lia Rikugun: can i ask you another question bertram?
    Bertram Jacobus: sure
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Steve
    Lia Rikugun: do you feel tired afterwards when you slept and had a lucid dream?
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. no.
    arabella Ella: If i may make a suggestion Bertram ... once you have answered Lia of course
    Lia Rikugun: hm ok
    Lia Rikugun: thank you
    arabella Ella: have you tried to do it on a weekend when you can lie in bed longer?
    arabella Ella: for example
    arabella Ella: on a weekend ... when you have more time ... try to bring on a lucid dream and sleep again
    arabella Ella: and it may work as you may then be more relaxed
    Bertram Jacobus: hm. don't think so. most important fact was, i guess, that i was a very young child, may be around 10 years, not so filled with whatever.
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! no. ty. said before : i fear such experineces today ;-9
    Bertram Jacobus: because my sleep is fantastic
    Lia Rikugun: why?
    arabella Ella: i was beginning to think so :)
    Lia Rikugun: ahh :)
    Bertram Jacobus: and i did SO many psychological experiences in my life. enough of all that now for me
    arabella Ella: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: resting, relaxing. getting normal :o)
    Bleu Oleander: (he says dressed as a Navi in sl hehe)
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    arabella Ella: more experiences as a Na'vi then
    Bertram Jacobus smiles at bleu ... :-))
    arabella Ella: not scarey ones
    Bertram Jacobus: you got it ara
    arabella Ella smiles
    Bertram Jacobus: safe ones
    arabella Ella: yes
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)


    scary lucid dreams and the "silver band" - the link between body and mind

    arabella Ella: many lucid dreams can be quite scarey so I don't blame bertram
    Lia Rikugun: yes if the content is not nice and you feel completely aware
    arabella Ella: yes the experiences we get in dreams could often accentuate our emotions and feelings
    Bolonath Crystal: namaste :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Bol
    Lia Rikugun: hello bolonath
    arabella Ella: Hiya bolonath
    Bertram Jacobus: i read about the "silver band" which would be a very subtile link between body and mind or soul or spirit - how ever you want to call it . while having such experiences, some of them. would fear that it rips, that i can't find back to body and mind unity ...
    Bertram Jacobus: hey bolo ! :-)
    Mickorod Renard: ahh yes,,the strand that attaches
    Lia Rikugun: silver band, have not heard of that
    arabella Ella: nice way of putting it ... silver band
    Bertram Jacobus: looong time ago that i read about it ...
    Mickorod Renard: I also used to become concerned that I may venture too far in a dream
    Bleu Oleander: haven't heard of that either
    Bertram Jacobus: that's it mike - can happen ... that's what would be my fear -
    Lia Rikugun: i didnt feel scared of that :)
    Lia Rikugun: now maybe
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Bertram Jacobus: hi aztlan
    Lia Rikugun: hello aztlan
    arabella Ella: Hiya aztlan
    Aztlan Foss: hi everyone
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Aztlan
    Bleu Oleander: hi Aztlan
    Aztlan Foss: big group at this time
    Lia Rikugun: have you been here before aztan?
    arabella Ella: yes always :)
    Bleu Oleander: nice whatever zipping around you
    Aztlan Foss: yeah but I'm here when there's less people
    arabella Ella: yea cool
    Mickorod Renard: Aztlan was here lastnight for sure
    Lia Rikugun: ok wonderful :)
    Aztlan Foss: hey mickorod
    Mickorod Renard: hi
    Lia Rikugun: just checking for the log
    Lia Rikugun: nice to meet you aztlan
    Aztlan Foss: nice to meet you all
    arabella Ella: I think Lia a lot depends on our hopes, fears and expectations which often get to be so accentuated in dreams
    Lia Rikugun: we are talking about lucid dreaming
    Mickorod Renard: it was once popular to try astral projecting
    Lia Rikugun: what would this be?
    arabella Ella: some of our dreams may bring out more scarey things which may lie in the depths of our minds
    Mickorod Renard: and this is perhaps where the notion of a attaching starand comes from


    "a lot of work for lucid dreaming"

    Aztlan Foss: oh I tried having lucid dreams for a while, it was pretty fun but felt like a lot of work
    arabella Ella: how did you do that Aztlan?
    arabella Ella: please say more
    Bleu Oleander: sorry gtg rl calls :)
    Mickorod Renard: bye Bleu
    Lia Rikugun: byebye bleu
    Bertram Jacobus: sry ... but ... i'll leave ... ty all for the talk ... have a nice time and ma all beings be happy, please ! ...
    Bolonath Crystal: om shanti, bleu
    arabella Ella: bye Bleu
    arabella Ella: nite Bertram
    Bolonath Crystal: bye bert
    Lia Rikugun: bye bertram
    Mickorod Renard: bye Bert,,go well buddy
    Aztlan Foss: well I read somewhere large amounts of kava or valarian and some other thing helped so I tried it, also there's focusing on having the dream and writing down what you went through as soon as you wake up
    Aztlan Foss: basicly if you put your mind to it you'll get at least some results.
    Aztlan Foss: usually people just go to sleep and wake up but if you have an intent when you go to sleep you'll have way cooler dreams
    Bolonath Crystal: i tried it, too. but i have to admit that i am a bad dreamer
    Lia Rikugun: what is a bad dreamer??


    Mick has also experiences with lucid dreaming, meeting rl friends in his dreams

    Mickorod Renard: I got quite proficient at dream control once
    Bolonath Crystal: somebody who doesn't succeed in lucid dreaming, lia :)
    Aztlan Foss: I think I went like 3 months and I ended up with about 4 pretty cool lucid dreams that were quite enjoyable
    Lia Rikugun: well ok
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Bolonath Crystal: 3 months? hm, so maybe i didn't try long enough
    Lia Rikugun: can you control the dream then? or what is it exactly?
    Aztlan Foss: what helped me is remembering what it was like to be a kid having lucid dreams, it's like a model fo rwhat you want to accomplish
    Lia Rikugun: hello kirshan
    Aztlan Foss: yeah you feel you're awake in the dream, you can't control everything but you decide what you want to do based on what's available
    Aztlan Foss: and I think most important is you realise you're dreaming.
    Mickorod Renard: I think that my best success was when I was particularly comfortable in my life,,and this often helps,,
    KirShan Andel: hi everyone :)
    KirShan Andel: interesting conversation it seems
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Kirshan
    arabella Ella: Hiya KirShan!
    Bolonath Crystal: hi kirshan
    Aztlan Foss: yeah Mickorod, I think that's the key to most things in life.
    KirShan Andel: arabella!!!
    arabella Ella: Hey!!!!
    KirShan Andel: omg
    arabella Ella: yea ... omg
    KirShan Andel: yo, won't be too long, sorry lia and everyone
    KirShan Andel: just need to check sl
    KirShan Andel: need to use cyberspace to learn freakin arabic
    Bolonath Crystal: i tried it the way castaneda describes in one of his books
    Mickorod Renard: yes?
    arabella Ella: Hey hope i did not scare you away now KirShan
    Mickorod Renard: howz that Bol?
    Bolonath Crystal: the first exercise is quite easy: i went to sleep with the intent to look at my hands, while i am dreaming
    Mickorod Renard: ohh,,so u had a trigger
    Bolonath Crystal: after a few nights i managed that, but only once
    Bolonath Crystal: then never again
    Bolonath Crystal: i never reached step 2 *g*
    Mickorod Renard: I used to arrange to meet rl friends at a rl bar in my sleep
    Aztlan Foss: I guess you have to find your owm methods
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: did they show up?
    Aztlan Foss: for me using my childhood dreams as a model was the key
    Mickorod Renard: I managed to get there,,it was enough of a trigger,,but if a friend turned up they had no recolection next time I met them awake
    Lia Rikugun: what i tried was to imagine my soul leaves the body at night
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ah!
    Lia Rikugun: and then my dreams were very vivid


    Bolonath tells us about a friend of his from a shamanic family who could communicate with her friends while dreaming

    Bolonath Crystal: i knew somebody who was able to communicate with friends in her dreams
    Mickorod Renard: thats spooky,,but interesting
    Lia Rikugun: so what did they talk about? bolo
    Lia Rikugun: :D
    Bolonath Crystal: an old woman somewhere in borneo
    Aztlan Foss: that's way cool
    Aztlan Foss: I always wondered if you could meet up with people in dreams
    Bolonath Crystal: well, she could
    Lia Rikugun: tell us more, so curious :)
    Mickorod Renard: I have great dificulty actually getting the nerve to ask the characters in my dreams who they are
    arabella Ella: yes please say more
    Mickorod Renard: yes please Bol
    Bolonath Crystal: she came from a family with a long shamanic tradition and lived in a little village in the bornean mountainside
    arabella Ella: ah
    arabella Ella: so do you know whether she used particular methods?
    Bolonath Crystal: there was no telephon and only bad roads
    Bolonath Crystal: no, i don#T know about her methods
    KirShan Andel: can anyone please gimme a landmark card fro here
    KirShan Andel: please?
    Lia Rikugun: wow thats so interesting!
    Bolonath Crystal: but in this area there are shaman highscholls, where people study such things for several years
    KirShan Andel: to return to? forgot how to get one myself
    arabella Ella: done
    KirShan Andel: am such a noob again
    Lia Rikugun: you got it kirshan?
    arabella Ella: he he
    KirShan Andel: thanks!!!!!!
    KirShan Andel: love ya all thanks for yr help, see you in a bit
    arabella Ella: bye KirShan
    Mickorod Renard: dont forget the chat here is posted on a public wiki Kirshan,,is that ok?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bai for now!
    Lia Rikugun: byebye kirshan
    arabella Ella: we generally meet here daily at this time
    Mickorod Renard: bye Kirshan
    KirShan Andel: hope arabs don't mind muchrooms av
    KirShan Andel: lol
    arabella Ella: I dont think KirShan would mind chat log
    Lia Rikugun: just asked him again
    Mickorod Renard: he/she didnt say anything
    Mickorod Renard: of any relevence
    arabella Ella: KirShan has been here before but that was some time back
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Lia Rikugun: (via IM)
    Mickorod Renard: I did get the chance to ask one person
    Mickorod Renard: who they were
    Mickorod Renard: they were an old friend who had died years before
    Mickorod Renard: oddly they had aged
    Wol Euler sneaks in quietly
    Mickorod Renard: bye Wol
    arabella Ella: Hiya Wol
    stevenaia Michinaga: waves to Wol
    Mickorod Renard: Hio Wol
    arabella Ella: oh ... not a Na'vi tonight!
    Aztlan Foss: hey wol
    Wol Euler: sorry :)
    Lia Rikugun: hello wol
    Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I'm late
    Lia Rikugun: it is so interesting
    Bolonath Crystal: namaste wol
    Aztlan Foss: i forgive you
    Lia Rikugun: thank you for telling us bolo and mick
    Mickorod Renard: no probs
    Bolonath Crystal: :)
    Lia Rikugun: will go to bed now, good night and have fun
    arabella Ella: if I may ask again Bolo
    Mickorod Renard: nite nite Lia
    Bolonath Crystal: nite lia, om shanti
    arabella Ella: did the lady from Borneo use any methods?
    arabella Ella: nite Lia
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: night, Lia!
    Lia Rikugun: (maybe a few more minutes :)
    Bolonath Crystal: i don't know about her methods, ara
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Aztlan Foss: what methods?
    Lia Rikugun: what were her experiences
    Lia Rikugun: did she visit you as well?
    arabella Ella: ah
    Bolonath Crystal: the methods are not freely given to anybody who didn't study at the shaman highschool
    arabella Ella: did she teach you anything ... I'm so curious


    Bolo has a shamanic friend who taught him about chasing away bad spirits!

    Bolonath Crystal: i had another shaman friend who taught me some things, but not about dreaming
    Mickorod Renard: Bol,,,what is kava and valerian? please
    Bolonath Crystal: i never managed to talk to anybody in dream
    arabella Ella: I think Aztlan mentioned those Mick
    Bolonath Crystal: kava is an indonesian plant which is used for brewing some kind of 'beer'
    Bolonath Crystal: valerian i don't know
    Mickorod Renard: ok ty
    Mickorod Renard: sorry Aztlan
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: another herb...both are relaxing
    arabella Ella: could you say more about what you learnt Bolonath?
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerian_(herb)
    Aztlan Foss: you can probably get them at any supplement store. I think they are both roots of some plant
    Mickorod Renard: ok great
    Bolonath Crystal: ara, not much, because i had to agree not to give those methods away to anybody
    arabella Ella: perhaps the experiences rather than the methods?
    Bolonath Crystal: it is something about chasing away demons
    arabella Ella: wow cool
    Bolonath Crystal: or bad spirits
    Aztlan Foss: i also took 5-HTP
    arabella Ella nods
    Lia Rikugun: did you succeed?
    Aztlan Foss: but realy I don't know if any of these thigns realy had anything to do with the dreaming
    Lia Rikugun: and where did you have demons?
    Mickorod Renard: this can be poignant when on a dream adventure
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: ok maybe now it is time for me to go to bed
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    arabella Ella: nite Lia
    Mickorod Renard: nite Lia
    Wol Euler: bye lia, take care
    Lia Rikugun: veryvery interewsting
    Aztlan Foss: bye
    Corvuscorva Nightfire wishes Lia the sleep she wishes for
    Aztlan Foss: I'm going to head back to work
    Aztlan Foss: :(
    Corvuscorva Nightfire gtrins
    Aztlan Foss: bye all
    Wol Euler: bye Az
    arabella Ella: bye Aztlan
    Bolonath Crystal: i brought with me a bad spirit with an indonesian mask. i thought it was some simple tourist art, but obviously it had been used for some rituals
    Mickorod Renard: bye Aztlan
    Bolonath Crystal: bye aztlan
    Lia Rikugun: oh
    Lia Rikugun: and now its gone?
    arabella Ella: did you manage to chase the spirit away then Bolo?
    arabella Ella: did it work?
    Bolonath Crystal: in the following more and more ppl around me became sick
    arabella Ella: oh noooo
    Lia Rikugun: ohh


     I left at this moment and will leave the following text uncommented.

    Mickorod Renard: I would have given it to my mother in law
    Bolonath Crystal: i told my friend about it and he gave me a repellent
    Bolonath Crystal: and it worked, yes
    Mickorod Renard: sorry,,joking
    arabella Ella wonders where it went
    Bolonath Crystal: the spirit?
    arabella Ella: yes
    Bolonath Crystal: back to where it came from
    arabella Ella: ah
    arabella Ella: interesting
    Mickorod Renard: brb
    Bolonath Crystal: the procedure is a mix of burning some herbs and reciting spells
    arabella Ella: are the spells in words you understand?
    Bolonath Crystal: in malay
    arabella Ella: oh
    Bolonath Crystal: i speak a little malay
    arabella Ella: cool
    Bolonath Crystal: malay magicians have a tradition about 6000 years long
    arabella Ella: i wish i knew that when i visited Malaysia
    Bolonath Crystal: oh, in which parts of the country you have been, ara?
    arabella Ella: I have been to KL twice
    arabella Ella: so have not seen much
    Bolonath Crystal: the big cities are all very similar somehow
    arabella Ella: I also visited two universities there ... an amazing experience
    arabella Ella: and Putra Jaya of course
    arabella Ella: ooooops .... shhhh
    Bolonath Crystal: you mean you never saw anything of the countryside, ara?
    arabella Ella: only some jungle in the area around KL
    arabella Ella: I was there first time for work for a few days and second time for a conference
    arabella Ella: so had very little free time
    Bolonath Crystal: oic
    arabella Ella: where have you been there Bolo?
    arabella Ella: did you live there?
    Bolonath Crystal: i worked there most of the 90s
    Bolonath Crystal: but in sabah, borneo9
    arabella Ella: cool
    Bolonath Crystal: -9*
    Bolonath Crystal: i had a project in kinabalu national park
    arabella Ella: how lovely
    arabella Ella: can you say more about the project?
    Bolonath Crystal: yes, it was the best job i ever had :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Bolonath Crystal: i collected sounds
    Mickorod Renard: lovely
    arabella Ella: fantastic
    Bolonath Crystal: the idea was to monitor rainforests without capturing animals
    arabella Ella: wow
    Bolonath Crystal: works perfectly, but there is a lot of work to do first, becauase most of the sounds are not identified yet
    Mickorod Renard: wow
    arabella Ella: taping natural sounds you mean?
    Bolonath Crystal: yes, mainly cicadas, grasshoppers and frogs
    arabella Ella: i never heard grasshoppers
    arabella Ella: have heard cicadas and frogs
    Mickorod Renard: gosh,,those sounds used to send me crazy
    Bolonath Crystal: a good part of the job was to walk around in the forest during the night and recording animals
    arabella Ella: then may i ask you something please?
    arabella Ella: i was once in Thailand and could not sleep at night due to a sound
    arabella Ella: it sounded like a laughing hyena
    arabella Ella: and my Thai friends told me it could be frogs but i doubt it
    arabella Ella: six laughs each tine
    arabella Ella: time
    Mickorod Renard: I heard a bird like that in australia
    arabella Ella: what do you think Bolo?
    arabella Ella: at night
    arabella Ella: very loud
    arabella Ella: this was in Assam on the banks of the Meikong river
    Bolonath Crystal: the frogs of thailand are quite different to the bornean ones, and i never have been to thailand. i don't know this sound, but i would not be very surprised if it is really a frog
    arabella Ella: me too it is still a mystery to me which i would like to resolve one day
    Mickorod Renard: maybe it was a lucid dream Ara?
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    arabella Ella: it did not let me sleep all night Mick it was so scarey
    Mickorod Renard: eeek
    arabella Ella: i thought it was a monster which would come get me
    Bolonath Crystal: the most funny sounds i heard from cicadas
    arabella Ella: the germans who visit Malta always think cicadas are electricity sounds
    Bolonath Crystal: but frogs can be very exciting, too
    arabella Ella: wb KirShan
    Bolonath Crystal: wb kirshan
    arabella Ella: but frogs croak dont they?
    KirShan Andel: thanks
    Bolonath Crystal: they do a lot of things, ara
    arabella Ella: really?
    arabella Ella: such as?
    Bolonath Crystal: well, some sound like little bells, some like crickets
    Bolonath Crystal: some bark
    Bolonath Crystal: some buzz
    arabella Ella: frogs bark?
    Bolonath Crystal: yep
    arabella Ella: but did you ever come across laughing frogs ... laughing six times?
    Bolonath Crystal: some are so noisy that you can hear them for several kilomaters
    Bolonath Crystal: no, never heard a laughing frog
    arabella Ella: ok ty
    Bolonath Crystal: but i would believe it, if somebody tells me that there are laughing frogs
    arabella Ella: so that eliminates the frog hypothesis
    arabella Ella: ah
    Bolonath Crystal: maybe they laugh in thailand :)
    Wol Euler: especially happy ones.
    Bolonath Crystal: rana vipassana ;)
    arabella Ella: ??
    Bolonath Crystal: i'll be in thailand in april and will watch out for them
    arabella Ella: will you be going to Assam too Bolo?
    arabella Ella: north east
    Bolonath Crystal: no. i wander along the coast in the chumpong area
    Bolonath Crystal: south west
    Bolonath Crystal: and on 23rd i'm on ko tao to celebrate a friends birthday :)
    arabella Ella: how lovely
    Mickorod Renard: I have to go home folks
    Mickorod Renard: nackered
    arabella Ella: nite Mick
    Wol Euler: 'night mick, sleep well
    Bolonath Crystal: nite mick, om shanti
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: sleep well, Mick
    KirShan Andel: night man
    Mickorod Renard: nite nite,,be well everyone
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: enjoy your dreams.
    Mickorod Renard: ty,,he he
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hehe
    arabella Ella: i must go too
    arabella Ella: nite everyone
    Bolonath Crystal: ah, i should go, too. have to get up early tomorrow
    KirShan Andel: g'night :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Night, Arabella!
    Wol Euler: bye ara, bye bolo
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bonoth!
    arabella Ella: and thanks Bolo for all the info
    Bolonath Crystal: nite everyone :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, me as well, seem to be tired
    Bolonath Crystal: you are welcome :)
    KirShan Andel: me off to bed too. nice room, willl come more often :::::)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: G'night, Stevie.
    stevenaia Michinaga: all this dream talk, see you there
    Wol Euler: 'night steve, bye kirshan
    KirShan Andel: g'night :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: g'night, KirShan

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