2010.03.06 01:00 - Digging holes

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: morning bertrum
    Bertrum Quan: Good morning, Yak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you today ?
    Bertrum Quan: Fine thanks. And you?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: also, thinking too much in non constructive ways i suppose but nothing i can´t handle :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey scath
    Bertrum Quan: Good morning, Scath
    Scathach Rhiadra: hello yakuzza, bertrum
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye the way where are you from in the states bertrum ?
    Bertrum Quan: Yes.
    Bertrum Quan: And you?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, little town called balve in germany
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but it´s fine if you don´t want to give that away, i always try to elaborate more on the different ppl here
    Bertrum Quan: Scath, do you have a topic for discussion this morning?
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, nothing in particular
    Scathach Rhiadra: have either of you anything?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nothing with a better contemplative core, sadly
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zon
    Scathach Rhiadra: hello Zon
    Bertrum Quan: Hi Zon
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Hmm i was asking myself sometimes if there is anyone here who looks at for example buddism as a religion or if everyone is just picking some idea´s out of the diffrent eastern contemplative traditions.
    Bertrum Quan: What is your stance on that?
    Zon Quar: what do u mean by religion ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: do you think it would be a good idea to pick things we may like ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I am definetivly picking but not long exposed to the topic for a longer period of time.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: So when i heard things about the different buddist ways or taoism ,,wu wei" around here i had a hard time changing my thought in splitting spirituality from religion.
    Zon Quar: depends
    Yakuzza Lethecus: It´s not yes very elaborated in my own mind zon
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i had a stubborn view on religion and what religion really is
    Zon Quar: if u just pick things..
    Zon Quar: u might end up digging small holes
    Zon Quar: and never getting to a deep hole
    Zon Quar: and find the water
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for example for me it´s even good to see more contrasts
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am theoretically ,,catholic"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i don´t know that much about the christian traditions, even we seem to have monastic spiritual traditions
    Zon Quar: as i have studied estern religions
    Zon Quar: i have started to understand bible too
    Zon Quar: but not the otehr way round
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i often ask my self now why i had such a monolithic view on religions before i now got into the feeling that many religions share core idea´s on spirituality but use obviously different meaphors,story´s,words for the same things
    Zon Quar: nods
    Zon Quar: water is one, but there ar many languages to express it differently
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Zon Quar: and should be
    Zon Quar: otherwise this would be boring
    Scathach Rhiadra: so do you think they are all talking about the same thing?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Has anyone elaborated more on comparative religious studies ?
    Zon Quar: yes
    Zon Quar: tao, buddhism, vedas
    Zon Quar: esoteric christinas
    Zon Quar: sufis
    Zon Quar: hashids
    Zon Quar: sam thing
    Zon Quar: differnrt sides of it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Yes, right now i tend to ,,the same thing"
    Zon Quar: wholeness of all
    Zon Quar: illusion of separateness
    Zon Quar: ego illusion
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but some buddist teachings seem to me more honest with ,,budda nature" and that we have everything already given
    Zon Quar: buddhism is a method
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we just don´t see it, but we constantly grasp for it
    Zon Quar: not a religion
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, saying buddism sounds monolithic bye the way
    Zon Quar: depends on ur thinking
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Zon Quar: all isms sound..lol
    Zon Quar: buddha was not a buddhist
    Zon Quar: christ was not christian
    Zon Quar: or catholic
    Zon Quar: or prostestant
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I know when i first heard about ,,exegesis" and that ppl are interpreting everything ,,again and again and again" that it´s just not what it is but same things are interpreted in a different way in any age.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: while it was nice to think ,,that´s the way it is"
    Bertrum Quan: uh oh... battery is low
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Qt
    Qt Core: hi all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but even today all the ppl i know whom are religious in catholisism ,,have faith"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the don´t even want to know how dynamic things maybe are
    Zon Quar: nods--that is normal
    Zon Quar: ans safe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning qt :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: would you say they live or practice their faith?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: they live
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and ppl are running away because nobody can explain why we have a ,,need for spirtuality"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but since we have only stubborn example propably we running to a faith where we see only the spiritual part
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but that´s a long shot
    Scathach Rhiadra: sometimes I think talking about or comparing religions can be a great excuse for not practicing anything, just finding more ideas that appeal to us to discuss
    Zon Quar: yes..digging samm holes
    Zon Quar: small
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the problem is for me usually that ppl ain´t compare because they ain´t exposing themselves with the topc
    Yakuzza Lethecus: comparing opinions
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i am not very elaborated in my religious perspectives either
    Qt Core: in the years i've read some about religions, but always about other religions, in quite a coward way i don't read about mine as that would make me have to confront my aderence to it
    Zon Quar: sometimes one has to take distance..
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Zon Quar: and come back later
    Zon Quar: otherwise there is danger
    Zon Quar: u take for granted
    Zon Quar: what is tought
    Scathach Rhiadra: it ican be very hard to look at one's own beliefs
    Zon Quar: gtg, c u guys
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye zon
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Zon, thank you
    Qt Core: yes, but i fear to have to confront a question more or like this, am i a catholic as i was raised as one or as i REALLY believe in it and if i am, why i don't practice/live it more ?
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i got to leave now
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care you both, it was interesting
    Qt Core: have a nice day Yak!
    Scathach Rhiadra: have a good day Yakuzza
    Scathach Rhiadra: I must go too, have a good weekend Qt
    Qt Core: you too!
    Qt Core: bye
    Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté

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