2010.03.07 07:00 - Finding PaB

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fael Illyar. The comments are by Fael Illyar.

    Agatha Macbeth: Hello recorder :)
    Agatha Macbeth: (Looks like Fael's not arrived yet)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Cal
    Agatha Macbeth: You Ok?
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: No Fael yet ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bless her
    Calvino Rabeni: IIs fael's session today?
    Agatha Macbeth: Should be, I think
    Agatha Macbeth: She usually has this slot
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably trying new wings on or something
    Agatha Macbeth: How long have you been a guardian now Cal?
    Calvino Rabeni: Not long, about since late November I think
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
    Agatha Macbeth: And how have you found it, generally?
    Calvino Rabeni: :) good generally - say I'm distracted by the appearance of your avarar's raised left arm :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Raised left arm?
    Agatha Macbeth: I look ok to me ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hang on...
    Calvino Rabeni: One of those SL quirks
    Agatha Macbeth: How's that?
    Calvino Rabeni: FIxed.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Weird
    Agatha Macbeth: Seems more lag here recently
    Calvino Rabeni: One time everyone else saw me standing like a scarecrow - everyone but me - and thought I was doing it to give a message - I had no clue :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Sometimes you are here and people are part buried in the ground!
    Agatha Macbeth: SL can be strange sometimes
    Agatha Macbeth: The worst part is often you can't see it yourself
    Calvino Rabeni: Informing others is one of those things like in RL - "you have spinach in your teeth" or some such semi-embarrasing condition
    Agatha Macbeth: As I couldn't then
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And thank you!
    Fael Illyar: Hi Cal, Agatha :) Sorry, I'm late.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Fael :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Starting to worry about you
    Fael Illyar: me?
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Agatha Macbeth: You should have no worries with that big clock of yours!
    Fael Illyar: I'm ... a bit distracted I suppose :)
    Fael Illyar: big clock? where?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Agatha Macbeth: At your home?
    Fael Illyar: huh?
    Fael Illyar confused.
    Agatha Macbeth: The skybox?
    Fael Illyar: I wasn't there... and I don't usually look at that one :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
    Fael Illyar: the time shown on the upper right on my computer screen is easier :P
    Fael Illyar: It's just when I forget to look at it :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, yeah
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Fael Illyar: I think I'm starting to need 2 alarms for each scheduled meeting :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Two?
    Fael Illyar: one 30 minutes before so I'll remember I have one coming. second one 5 minutes before so I remember to move in time :P
    Agatha Macbeth: He he
    Agatha Macbeth: Some people would have us believe there's no such thing as time ;-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, in general, for thing X, there are lots of people who want ust to believe "There's no such thing as X" contrary to all appearances.
    Calvino Rabeni: What's with that, I wonder?
    Fael Illyar: well, you know, there isn't such _thing_ as time :P But that doesn't mean time is meaningless :)
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Time is an illusion: dinner time doubly so'
    Agatha Macbeth: Ford Prefect :)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Fael Illyar: there certainly is nothing you can point at and say "that's time"
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't some people think of it as the fourth dimension?
    Fael Illyar: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
    Fael Illyar: try pointing along it :P
    Calvino Rabeni: So why is it important to say - it exists, but not as a "thing"?
    Agatha Macbeth: Not easy, I agree
    Agatha Macbeth shrugs
    Calvino Rabeni: I heard a philosopher say - yes, it is real, but it doesn't exist
    Agatha Macbeth: It's an intersesting concept
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, a philosopher would say that :)
    Calvino Rabeni: So is it a kind of way of being efficient - to clear the mind of the "less real" to focus on some more favored "real"?
    Calvino Rabeni: Or to get rid of intellectual clutter?
    Calvino Rabeni: Or due to a reluctance to entertain mutiple complementary ideas at once?
    Agatha Macbeth: I'd have to think about that....
    Fael Illyar: thinking of time as a thing could lead to all sorts of strageness :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Or to take away a feeling of importance, about the so-called "unreal" idea?
    Calvino Rabeni: Or to say, don't bother me with *that* - I'd prefer to think about *this* instead :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Things can occupy the same space at different times
    Agatha Macbeth: And the same time but different space
    Agatha Macbeth: I guess most of us think of time as simply a series of reference points
    Agatha Macbeth: Like 'I have to be at PaB at 1.00' :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I think you're right, but that time seems more like "space"
    Calvino Rabeni: it has lines and points in it
    Agatha Macbeth: Didn't Einstein say the words 'space' and 'time' were interchangeable?
    Agatha Macbeth: Or something
    Fael Illyar: maybe, but even if he didn't I'd say that sounds right :)
    Agatha Macbeth smiles and nods
    Calvino Rabeni: In a way, but that's according to mathematics, and doesn't hold up against experience or experiment very well
    Agatha Macbeth: He was pretty smart about most things :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Calvino Rabeni: It's a simple mathematics - everything is smooth and internally structureless
    Calvino Rabeni: So all those lumpy matter things don't fit into it very well
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe the space is lumpy too
    Agatha Macbeth: Aye, there's the rub :)
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Lumpy space' there's an interesting concept
    Calvino Rabeni: but the math says, space is nothing in itself
    Calvino Rabeni: just the background of measuring the thing that show up in it
    Calvino Rabeni: and same with time
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: A complex subject to be sure
    Calvino Rabeni: so in that sense - using the logic of before - time and space don't exist either
    Calvino Rabeni: But it won't keep me from "lunch"
    Agatha Macbeth: How does Dr Who get on then?
    Agatha Macbeth: The Tardis would have problems with no time or space ;-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Does Who get on How?
    Agatha Macbeth: Anyway. That's a nice outfit Fael :)
    Fael Illyar smiles 'Thank you.'
    Agatha Macbeth: I like the sparklers in your hair
    Fael Illyar: me too :)
    Calvino Rabeni: So Ag, what brought you to PAB and led you to get involved?
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, I found it by accident basically
    Agatha Macbeth: I came to the mainland at Hanja and headed North
    Agatha Macbeth: And found this place :)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: At first I wondered what the hell all these people were doing
    Agatha Macbeth: Sitting in a circle and saying all this strange stuff
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Fael Illyar: Good thinking from Pema's part. To have this place right next to that place where loads of newbies pop up at :)
    Fael Illyar: welcome center, was it?
    Agatha Macbeth: But od course, had I gone South instead....
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, the Hanja welcome area
    Fael Illyar: you might have bumped into my shop if you went south :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh is that way?
    Fael Illyar: yep, about the same distance away
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Agatha Macbeth: Which sim is it in again?
    Fael Illyar: Nari
    Agatha Macbeth: That's it
    Agatha Macbeth checks the map
    Calvino Rabeni: And what happened then, Aga? WIth all the "strange stuff"?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, I see it
    Calvino Rabeni: (round about then, in my story, Calvino went to the wiki and read a bunch of explanations)
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa! Lot of people there...
    Fael Illyar: people? where?
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh sorry, they're in the one below
    Agatha Macbeth: Soyeonpyeongdo
    Calvino Rabeni: Aga is looking at the map I think
    Agatha Macbeth: What a mouthful!
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes I was! :))
    Agatha Macbeth: (hence all the technical stuff)
    Agatha Macbeth: I keep forgetting about the big map
    Agatha Macbeth: Hardly ever look at it for some reason
    Fael Illyar: oh yes, quite a crowd in there
    Fael Illyar: I usually don't use it.
    Agatha Macbeth: Must be something good on :)
    Fael Illyar: it's not very useful :)
    Fael Illyar: but those people are in Kyonu
    Agatha Macbeth: They are?
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Agatha Macbeth looks again
    Agatha Macbeth: So they are
    Agatha Macbeth: Now I'm curious to know what's going on there!
    Fael Illyar: me too actually, 27 people in one place like that is rare
    Agatha Macbeth: Sure is
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Fael Illyar: Hi Yaku :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Yaku :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Go on, check it out! I'll hold down the fort
    Fael Illyar: ok, see you in a bit :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yakusan, hello
    Agatha Macbeth: What is it about PaB makes men lose their hair I wonder?
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: It's the hair
    Agatha Macbeth: Or lack of...
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you know where to get good short hair styles in SL?
    Agatha Macbeth: Not offhand, no
    Agatha Macbeth: I don't use 'em myself ;-)))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thats easy, look on my short hairstyle :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Basically I tried several varieties of hair, not especially liking them
    Calvino Rabeni: It appears to be technically hard to do short styles
    Fael Illyar: back
    Agatha Macbeth: WB Fael
    Fael Illyar: looks like a shop
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb
    Agatha Macbeth: Not yours then?
    Fael Illyar: with a thing that gives out 2L$ every 10 minutes ... I'd guess that random person who's there gets it
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, campers
    Agatha Macbeth: Should have guessed...
    Fael Illyar: although, considering the number of people, it just might give to everyone
    Calvino Rabeni: Camping isn't as big a thing as it used to be, is it?
    Fael Illyar: nope
    Agatha Macbeth: Looks like it is down there! :)
    Fael Illyar: but if that thing gives that 2L$/10 minutes to everyone, it's about as good as it was when I started out myself :)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Calvino Rabeni: Isn't @2L equal to about a micro-cent?
    Fael Illyar: 4L would be about one euro-cent
    Agatha Macbeth: It doesn't buy you much certainly
    Fael Illyar: 3L would be a bit more than one us-cent
    Calvino Rabeni: That is, less value than what it takes to operate your computer for the same amount of time
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Fael Illyar: Yep, most likely is.
    Fael Illyar: but for most students, electricity is included in the rent and is fixed, not variable.
    Fael Illyar: at least in Finland
    Agatha Macbeth: Not sure if that's the case in the UK
    Calvino Rabeni: Have you read about the "gold mining" industry - there was an article in I think, Scientific American
    Fael Illyar: and many people in SL are still living with their parents.
    Agatha Macbeth: Not me ;-)
    Calvino Rabeni: So I'm wondering if it has a noticeable presence in SL
    Agatha Macbeth: No Cal, missed that one
    Calvino Rabeni: There are some wandering beggars
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh we certainly have those!
    Calvino Rabeni: And in some countries there are big "call center" like operations to organize that activity
    Calvino Rabeni: It is an industrialized process, not individuals
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, part of the information economy
    Fael Illyar: if there's money in it, someone will try it out.
    Agatha Macbeth: Or the 'rip off' economy :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Generally true - the economics might be better in other games, besides SL
    Calvino Rabeni: Do people sell avatars here?
    Fael Illyar: of course, everything anyone makes can be sold
    Agatha Macbeth: I think you can buy full Avs yes
    Agatha Macbeth: I've seen them given away as freebies at Noob centres too
    Fael Illyar: but it's time for me to go. Have fun everyone :)
    Calvino Rabeni: With friends, reputations, houses, huge inventories, etc.
    Agatha Macbeth: Is there a meeting today?
    Calvino Rabeni: I GTG also, see you
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, where is it?
    Calvino Rabeni: village hall
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok, c u there
    Agatha Macbeth: You too Yaku?
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